Re: [RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Wow!  Carrying all those books in a saddlebag is amazing.  I don't have
great wheel clearance so I use panniers, but it's nice to have that option.

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Garth]

Alternatively, the Tektro fork mounted cable stop 1277A allows the same 
cable and housing as a caliper brake as it stops just above the brake. I 
find the brake also works better having the stop just above the brake 
rather than way up high. 


On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 2:16:30 PM UTC-4 Chris K wrote:

> Question - can you run a handlebar bag, or a saddlebag on the handlebars 
> bikepacking-style, if you have canti brakes? How does one negotiate the 
> cable?
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Chris K]

Brilliant, just saw that same set-up on Bags X Bird's site. Thank you much.



On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:24:38 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> https://www.instagram.com/p/CQJxhNoB3PL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2022, at 2:16 PM, Chris K  wrote:
>
> Question - can you run a handlebar bag, or a saddlebag on the handlebars 
> bikepacking-style, if you have canti brakes? How does one negotiate the 
> cable?
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:00:00 PM UTC-6 Hetchins52 wrote:
>
>> They are now being sold by REI. So that would require a big ramp up. 
>> Here’s part of a page from my REI phone app:
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>> David
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> Evan - they used to be, but Swift announced last year (I think) that 
>> they were needing to switch most of their production of their more popular 
>> bags overseas in order to keep up with demand. I believe they still make a 
>> few things and special projects in the PNW.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:46:03 PM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:
>>
>>> Is the Swift Zeitgeist made in USA? It says here on this page, under the 
>>> "Specs" tab
>>>
>>> https://builtbyswift.com/shop/zeitgeist-pack/
>>>
>>> that it is "Made in Surabaya, Indonesia out of recycled materials." 
>>>
>>> ^ Not a criticism. Just a question.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Brian Turner]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQJxhNoB3PL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=On Sep 30, 2022, at 2:16 PM, Chris K  wrote:Question - can you run a handlebar bag, or a saddlebag on the handlebars bikepacking-style, if you have canti brakes? How does one negotiate the cable?On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:00:00 PM UTC-6 Hetchins52 wrote:They are now being sold by REI. So that would require a big ramp up. Here’s part of a page from my REI phone app:DavidOn Aug 29, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:Evan - they used to be, but Swift announced last year (I think) that they were needing to switch most of their production of their more popular bags overseas in order to keep up with demand. I believe they still make a few things and special projects in the PNW.On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:46:03 PM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:Is the Swift Zeitgeist made in USA? It says here on this page, under the "Specs" tabhttps://builtbyswift.com/shop/zeitgeist-pack/that it is "Made in Surabaya, Indonesia out of recycled materials." ^ Not a criticism. Just a question.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Chris K]

Question - can you run a handlebar bag, or a saddlebag on the handlebars 
bikepacking-style, if you have canti brakes? How does one negotiate the 
cable?

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:00:00 PM UTC-6 Hetchins52 wrote:

> They are now being sold by REI. So that would require a big ramp up. 
> Here’s part of a page from my REI phone app:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> David
>
> On Aug 29, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> Evan - they used to be, but Swift announced last year (I think) that they 
> were needing to switch most of their production of their more popular bags 
> overseas in order to keep up with demand. I believe they still make a few 
> things and special projects in the PNW.
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:46:03 PM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:
>
>> Is the Swift Zeitgeist made in USA? It says here on this page, under the 
>> "Specs" tab
>>
>> https://builtbyswift.com/shop/zeitgeist-pack/
>>
>> that it is "Made in Surabaya, Indonesia out of recycled materials." 
>>
>> ^ Not a criticism. Just a question.
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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Brian Turner]

Evan - they used to be, but Swift announced last year (I think) that they 
were needing to switch most of their production of their more popular bags 
overseas in order to keep up with demand. I believe they still make a few 
things and special projects in the PNW.

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:46:03 PM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:

> Is the Swift Zeitgeist made in USA? It says here on this page, under the 
> "Specs" tab
>
> https://builtbyswift.com/shop/zeitgeist-pack/
>
> that it is "Made in Surabaya, Indonesia out of recycled materials." 
>
> ^ Not a criticism. Just a question.
>
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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Evan E.]

Is the Swift Zeitgeist made in USA? It says here on this page, under the 
"Specs" tab

https://builtbyswift.com/shop/zeitgeist-pack/

that it is "Made in Surabaya, Indonesia out of recycled materials." 

^ Not a criticism. Just a question.

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[RichS]

Mike,

Do look into the Acorn bags. I currently own three (two handlebar and a 
rando medium) and they are very well made. They sell out fast so I would 
expect this run of bags will be gone in a day or two. 

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 2:31:19 AM UTC-4 Hetchins52 wrote:

> Got this today in email from Acorn bags:
>
> *Hi everyone,*
>
> *Our BLACK WAXED CANVAS 
> 
>  bags 
> will be restocked—in limited quantities—this Wednesday, August 31, at 
> approx. 9am Pacific Time. 
(Please note that our upcoming Trunk Bag is not 
> included in this batch.) *
> *https://www.acornbags.com *
>
> I have a few of the medium Acorn saddle bags and like them a lot for their 
> size, waxed canvas material and construction. The larger, transverse 
> version looks good but I have no experience with it. 
> The old Swift, small Zeitgeist is a big improvement over the Carradice 
> Barley I have and my small BxB "Nino" is beautifully designed and made.
> I have the Outer Shell Basket Bag but I don't use a basket. It mounts 
> nicely on a front rack, especially one of the wider ones and has a lot of 
> structure. It is really well thought out with a lot of features. 
> I usually leave the side stiffeners in the bag but not in their 
> compartments. It allows the bag to be more compact and carried more easily 
> if not full.
>
> David Lipsky  - -  Berkeley, CA
>
> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 11:57:49 AM UTC-7 velomann wrote:
>
>> My name is Mike and I have a bike luggage problem...
>>
>> I own many of the bags already mentioned and a couple not discussed yet 
>> so here's my 2-cents:
>>
>> I currently have 3 Swift Zeitgeist bags - a first generation in custom 
>> colors and a couple newer ones, and for a good, durable, fairly lightweight 
>> saddlebag they are fantastic. My only (very minor) complaint is that the 
>> newer ones take longer to get in and out of - there's the outer 2 buckles, 
>> an inner buckled cinch strap, and the cord-lock bag cinch. The older models 
>> didn't have the single inner cinch strap, which is otherwise an improvement 
>> as it pulls the bottom of the bag up some, depending on how loaded it is. I 
>> do wish they still shipped with the leather buckle straps instead of the 
>> Voile straps everyone (except Carradice and Acorn) seems to be going to 
>> these days, but I may be in the minority with that opinion. I also own a 
>> Swift Catalyst, and if you want a bag smaller than the Zeitgeist and can do 
>> without the side pockets, it's basically a smaller Zeitgeist (Swift used to 
>> make the Zeitgeist in 2 sizes). One advantage to the Catalyst - Swift's 
>> intention I think - is that the Catalyst mounts well to even fairly narrow 
>> handlebars too. Someone mentioned MUSA as a plus on Swift bags, but last 
>> year they switched production overseas to standard bags in standard colors, 
>> which I assume means the Zeitgeist is now sewn in Asia.
>>
>> I also own 2 Carradice bags, a Camper Longflap and Nelson Longflap. The 
>> Camper was my first touring saddlebag and has thousands of miles in 
>> year-round PNW  commuting and other than fading is still in great shape. 
>> The waxed canvas is heavier than the Swift bags, but that's never been an 
>> issue for me, and the longflap is incredibly useful when overfilling the 
>> bag or strapping a sleeping pad or tent or fly rod to the bag.
>>
>> I own a large Fabios Chest - from when they were still made by Swift - 
>> and it's like a super-sized version of the Zeitgeist with a rolltop instead 
>> of cordlock cinch AND a longflap. If one was looking for a true 
>> load-everything-including-the-kitchen-sink bag this would be the one. FYI I 
>> run it on the front (Jones Bars) of my Bantam AdventureBike, and with a 
>> Carradice Longflap on the rear and a couple fork-mounted King Manything 
>> cages I can carry all my bikepacking gear without an inner triangle frame 
>> bag (I hate frame bags).
>>
>> Another bag I REALLY like is the locally made (Portland area) Jack Supply 
>> Slugger bag. https://www.jacksupplyco.com/ Similar to the Swift 
>> Zeitgeist but with a rolltop closure, extendable flap, and more exterior 
>> lash points. I've also run this as a handlebar bag, though I prefer the 
>> Little Slugger for that use. And these definitely are MUSA.
>>
>> Finally, the OP mentioned running a Wald basket and looking for a 
>> saddlebag as well. I use a Swift Sugarloaf in one Wald basket, and an 
>> Outershell Basket-bag https://outershell.com/shop/137-basket-bag in the 
>> other. The thing I like about the Basket-bag is that it's basically a rando 
>> bag for your basket, with a lid that opens out so you can access the 
>> interior while riding, and a clear map pocket. Also MUSA (California) and 
>> really thoughtfully designed and well-made.
>>
>> Final note - I'm smallish and ride smallish frames, and for ALL 

[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Got this today in email from Acorn bags:

*Hi everyone,*

*Our BLACK WAXED CANVAS 

 bags 
will be restocked—in limited quantities—this Wednesday, August 31, at 
approx. 9am Pacific Time. 
(Please note that our upcoming Trunk Bag is not 
included in this batch.) *
*https://www.acornbags.com*

I have a few of the medium Acorn saddle bags and like them a lot for their 
size, waxed canvas material and construction. The larger, transverse 
version looks good but I have no experience with it. 
The old Swift, small Zeitgeist is a big improvement over the Carradice 
Barley I have and my small BxB "Nino" is beautifully designed and made.
I have the Outer Shell Basket Bag but I don't use a basket. It mounts 
nicely on a front rack, especially one of the wider ones and has a lot of 
structure. It is really well thought out with a lot of features. 
I usually leave the side stiffeners in the bag but not in their 
compartments. It allows the bag to be more compact and carried more easily 
if not full.

David Lipsky  - -  Berkeley, CA

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 11:57:49 AM UTC-7 velomann wrote:

> My name is Mike and I have a bike luggage problem...
>
> I own many of the bags already mentioned and a couple not discussed yet so 
> here's my 2-cents:
>
> I currently have 3 Swift Zeitgeist bags - a first generation in custom 
> colors and a couple newer ones, and for a good, durable, fairly lightweight 
> saddlebag they are fantastic. My only (very minor) complaint is that the 
> newer ones take longer to get in and out of - there's the outer 2 buckles, 
> an inner buckled cinch strap, and the cord-lock bag cinch. The older models 
> didn't have the single inner cinch strap, which is otherwise an improvement 
> as it pulls the bottom of the bag up some, depending on how loaded it is. I 
> do wish they still shipped with the leather buckle straps instead of the 
> Voile straps everyone (except Carradice and Acorn) seems to be going to 
> these days, but I may be in the minority with that opinion. I also own a 
> Swift Catalyst, and if you want a bag smaller than the Zeitgeist and can do 
> without the side pockets, it's basically a smaller Zeitgeist (Swift used to 
> make the Zeitgeist in 2 sizes). One advantage to the Catalyst - Swift's 
> intention I think - is that the Catalyst mounts well to even fairly narrow 
> handlebars too. Someone mentioned MUSA as a plus on Swift bags, but last 
> year they switched production overseas to standard bags in standard colors, 
> which I assume means the Zeitgeist is now sewn in Asia.
>
> I also own 2 Carradice bags, a Camper Longflap and Nelson Longflap. The 
> Camper was my first touring saddlebag and has thousands of miles in 
> year-round PNW  commuting and other than fading is still in great shape. 
> The waxed canvas is heavier than the Swift bags, but that's never been an 
> issue for me, and the longflap is incredibly useful when overfilling the 
> bag or strapping a sleeping pad or tent or fly rod to the bag.
>
> I own a large Fabios Chest - from when they were still made by Swift - and 
> it's like a super-sized version of the Zeitgeist with a rolltop instead of 
> cordlock cinch AND a longflap. If one was looking for a true 
> load-everything-including-the-kitchen-sink bag this would be the one. FYI I 
> run it on the front (Jones Bars) of my Bantam AdventureBike, and with a 
> Carradice Longflap on the rear and a couple fork-mounted King Manything 
> cages I can carry all my bikepacking gear without an inner triangle frame 
> bag (I hate frame bags).
>
> Another bag I REALLY like is the locally made (Portland area) Jack Supply 
> Slugger bag. https://www.jacksupplyco.com/ Similar to the Swift Zeitgeist 
> but with a rolltop closure, extendable flap, and more exterior lash points. 
> I've also run this as a handlebar bag, though I prefer the Little Slugger 
> for that use. And these definitely are MUSA.
>
> Finally, the OP mentioned running a Wald basket and looking for a 
> saddlebag as well. I use a Swift Sugarloaf in one Wald basket, and an 
> Outershell Basket-bag https://outershell.com/shop/137-basket-bag in the 
> other. The thing I like about the Basket-bag is that it's basically a rando 
> bag for your basket, with a lid that opens out so you can access the 
> interior while riding, and a clear map pocket. Also MUSA (California) and 
> really thoughtfully designed and well-made.
>
> Final note - I'm smallish and ride smallish frames, and for ALL the 
> saddlebags mentioned I run some kind of support rack - Erlen, Nitto, 
> Bagman, Tailfeather 
> http://derick-paulson.squarespace.com/tailfeather/tailfeather, And the 
> Fabs chest on my Bantam is supported by a front rack custom made for that 
> bike.
>
> Many of the setups can be seen on my Flickr pages 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/8199310@N04/albums
>
> Mike M
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-7 

[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[velomann]

My name is Mike and I have a bike luggage problem...

I own many of the bags already mentioned and a couple not discussed yet so 
here's my 2-cents:

I currently have 3 Swift Zeitgeist bags - a first generation in custom 
colors and a couple newer ones, and for a good, durable, fairly lightweight 
saddlebag they are fantastic. My only (very minor) complaint is that the 
newer ones take longer to get in and out of - there's the outer 2 buckles, 
an inner buckled cinch strap, and the cord-lock bag cinch. The older models 
didn't have the single inner cinch strap, which is otherwise an improvement 
as it pulls the bottom of the bag up some, depending on how loaded it is. I 
do wish they still shipped with the leather buckle straps instead of the 
Voile straps everyone (except Carradice and Acorn) seems to be going to 
these days, but I may be in the minority with that opinion. I also own a 
Swift Catalyst, and if you want a bag smaller than the Zeitgeist and can do 
without the side pockets, it's basically a smaller Zeitgeist (Swift used to 
make the Zeitgeist in 2 sizes). One advantage to the Catalyst - Swift's 
intention I think - is that the Catalyst mounts well to even fairly narrow 
handlebars too. Someone mentioned MUSA as a plus on Swift bags, but last 
year they switched production overseas to standard bags in standard colors, 
which I assume means the Zeitgeist is now sewn in Asia.

I also own 2 Carradice bags, a Camper Longflap and Nelson Longflap. The 
Camper was my first touring saddlebag and has thousands of miles in 
year-round PNW  commuting and other than fading is still in great shape. 
The waxed canvas is heavier than the Swift bags, but that's never been an 
issue for me, and the longflap is incredibly useful when overfilling the 
bag or strapping a sleeping pad or tent or fly rod to the bag.

I own a large Fabios Chest - from when they were still made by Swift - and 
it's like a super-sized version of the Zeitgeist with a rolltop instead of 
cordlock cinch AND a longflap. If one was looking for a true 
load-everything-including-the-kitchen-sink bag this would be the one. FYI I 
run it on the front (Jones Bars) of my Bantam AdventureBike, and with a 
Carradice Longflap on the rear and a couple fork-mounted King Manything 
cages I can carry all my bikepacking gear without an inner triangle frame 
bag (I hate frame bags).

Another bag I REALLY like is the locally made (Portland area) Jack Supply 
Slugger bag. https://www.jacksupplyco.com/ Similar to the Swift Zeitgeist 
but with a rolltop closure, extendable flap, and more exterior lash points. 
I've also run this as a handlebar bag, though I prefer the Little Slugger 
for that use. And these definitely are MUSA.

Finally, the OP mentioned running a Wald basket and looking for a saddlebag 
as well. I use a Swift Sugarloaf in one Wald basket, and an Outershell 
Basket-bag https://outershell.com/shop/137-basket-bag in the other. The 
thing I like about the Basket-bag is that it's basically a rando bag for 
your basket, with a lid that opens out so you can access the interior while 
riding, and a clear map pocket. Also MUSA (California) and really 
thoughtfully designed and well-made.

Final note - I'm smallish and ride smallish frames, and for ALL the 
saddlebags mentioned I run some kind of support rack - Erlen, Nitto, 
Bagman, 
Tailfeather http://derick-paulson.squarespace.com/tailfeather/tailfeather, 
And the Fabs chest on my Bantam is supported by a front rack custom made 
for that bike.

Many of the setups can be seen on my Flickr 
pages https://www.flickr.com/photos/8199310@N04/albums

Mike M

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
> "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>
> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
> basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
> the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
> seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
> town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>
> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Nathan Mattia]

Check out ReLoad bags out of Philadelphia.  
They hand make all their bags with total customization, for a good price 
too.  
I have their bag made just for the Wald 137 that is AWESOME. *DeLuxe Waldo 
Basket Bag.  *
$129 and really, really cool. Fits like a glove and super handy.

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:43:19 PM UTC-5 Chris K wrote:

> Good stuff. Thanks, all! I did in fact I did get a new bike and haven't 
> yet bought a bag! It will complement the bag nicely :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:52:04 AM UTC-6 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Recently got a Buffalo Bags Big Buffalo- haven't had a chance to use it 
>> much but its huge and seems well made. 
>>
>> I've also been using a Realm Wald basket bag for a while. I have the 
>> smaller version and it can fit a ton. Not sure if you have a bag for your 
>> basket already but it definitely expands the capacity. I know people have 
>> done shorter tours with their basket bags and a few other small bags
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:45:53 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just now seeing this thread, so I thought I would share some thoughts. 
>>> After trying several of the more common brands you see most folks using 
>>> these days, here's my ranking on experience:
>>>
>>> Carradice Nelson longflap - I bought this direct from the UK (cheaper) 
>>> after using a "zipped roll" for over a decade. I also bought a QR Bagman 
>>> support because I ride smaller bikes (54 cm range) and don't have a lot of 
>>> space between my saddle and rear tire. The Nelson has a good deal of room 
>>> and I find myself using the extra flap quite a bit on overnights. I added a 
>>> thin sheet of poly material to the interior to give it some internal 
>>> stiffening because I don't like floppy bags. The price, reputation, and 
>>> classic styling of these Carradice bags makes them a good choice, but my 
>>> main sticking point for daily use is the dang leather straps and metal 
>>> buckles. I know it's part of the classic charm but I find them annoyingly 
>>> fiddly and am always wishing for the ease of plastic clip buckles and nylon 
>>> webbing.
>>>
>>> Fabio's Chest - I have a small waxed canvas version, and it's a very 
>>> handsome, well-made bag. Even the small is more than enough for my 
>>> bikepacking needs for overnights or multi-day trips (although I'm always 
>>> running front AND rear bags when bikepacking). The roll-top combined with a 
>>> long-flap feature is perfect for over-stuffing and still keeping your stuff 
>>> dry and secure. The side pockets are huge, and I love the ability to close 
>>> them simply with the velcro tabs OR a nylon buckle if you so choose. The 
>>> small size also works well as a basket bag when paired with a Wald 137. My 
>>> only critique of the Fab's Chest is I wish it had an internal dowel for 
>>> rigidity like the Carradice and BxB offerings. The thin plastic strip sewn 
>>> into the mounting area is similar to that of the Swift Zeitgeist, but I 
>>> think these bags are better served with more robust "framework" for 
>>> stability. When used as a saddlebag, I support it with a Nitto R14 rear 
>>> rack.
>>>
>>> BxB Goldback (SM) - Far and away the best all-around saddlebag I've 
>>> found. Jay's designs combine all the best elements of the above mentioned 
>>> bags, and they are the best designed and built bags I've used. I currently 
>>> own the Goldback, the Teardrop handlebar bag (no longer in production) and 
>>> a Better Half frame bag. Size-wise, it fits somewhere between a Zeitgeist 
>>> and the Carradice Nelson. It combines the drawstring cinch interior of the 
>>> Carradice with a longflap that is designed to wrap over the top edge, 
>>> keeping the elements out even when stuffed full (something I can't say for 
>>> the Nelson). Mine came with both an interior and an exterior dowel, and 
>>> Jay's ample use of daisy-chain loops on the underside and backside of the 
>>> bag really let you tailor the fit to your bike setup. What the BxB bags 
>>> seem to excel at is in the rock-solidness of them. Whereas my other bags 
>>> tend to shift and flop around a bit on rough terrain, all of my BxB bags 
>>> just stay solid no matter the load. I'm really not sure what accounts for 
>>> this because they share many of the same mounting features as the other 
>>> two, but Jay's bags just ride so much better than the others. I can use my 
>>> Goldback with the Carradice Bagman support, or supported by the R14 rack 
>>> depending on how much load I need to weigh it down with.
>>>
>>> Hope this info helps!
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:47:00 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I respect your decision to buy a new bike for your upcoming new bag 

 On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:38 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful 
> replies. Being my first post, it didn't appear for several days and I 

[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Chris K]

Good stuff. Thanks, all! I did in fact I did get a new bike and haven't yet 
bought a bag! It will complement the bag nicely :)





On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:52:04 AM UTC-6 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Recently got a Buffalo Bags Big Buffalo- haven't had a chance to use it 
> much but its huge and seems well made. 
>
> I've also been using a Realm Wald basket bag for a while. I have the 
> smaller version and it can fit a ton. Not sure if you have a bag for your 
> basket already but it definitely expands the capacity. I know people have 
> done shorter tours with their basket bags and a few other small bags
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:45:53 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Just now seeing this thread, so I thought I would share some thoughts. 
>> After trying several of the more common brands you see most folks using 
>> these days, here's my ranking on experience:
>>
>> Carradice Nelson longflap - I bought this direct from the UK (cheaper) 
>> after using a "zipped roll" for over a decade. I also bought a QR Bagman 
>> support because I ride smaller bikes (54 cm range) and don't have a lot of 
>> space between my saddle and rear tire. The Nelson has a good deal of room 
>> and I find myself using the extra flap quite a bit on overnights. I added a 
>> thin sheet of poly material to the interior to give it some internal 
>> stiffening because I don't like floppy bags. The price, reputation, and 
>> classic styling of these Carradice bags makes them a good choice, but my 
>> main sticking point for daily use is the dang leather straps and metal 
>> buckles. I know it's part of the classic charm but I find them annoyingly 
>> fiddly and am always wishing for the ease of plastic clip buckles and nylon 
>> webbing.
>>
>> Fabio's Chest - I have a small waxed canvas version, and it's a very 
>> handsome, well-made bag. Even the small is more than enough for my 
>> bikepacking needs for overnights or multi-day trips (although I'm always 
>> running front AND rear bags when bikepacking). The roll-top combined with a 
>> long-flap feature is perfect for over-stuffing and still keeping your stuff 
>> dry and secure. The side pockets are huge, and I love the ability to close 
>> them simply with the velcro tabs OR a nylon buckle if you so choose. The 
>> small size also works well as a basket bag when paired with a Wald 137. My 
>> only critique of the Fab's Chest is I wish it had an internal dowel for 
>> rigidity like the Carradice and BxB offerings. The thin plastic strip sewn 
>> into the mounting area is similar to that of the Swift Zeitgeist, but I 
>> think these bags are better served with more robust "framework" for 
>> stability. When used as a saddlebag, I support it with a Nitto R14 rear 
>> rack.
>>
>> BxB Goldback (SM) - Far and away the best all-around saddlebag I've 
>> found. Jay's designs combine all the best elements of the above mentioned 
>> bags, and they are the best designed and built bags I've used. I currently 
>> own the Goldback, the Teardrop handlebar bag (no longer in production) and 
>> a Better Half frame bag. Size-wise, it fits somewhere between a Zeitgeist 
>> and the Carradice Nelson. It combines the drawstring cinch interior of the 
>> Carradice with a longflap that is designed to wrap over the top edge, 
>> keeping the elements out even when stuffed full (something I can't say for 
>> the Nelson). Mine came with both an interior and an exterior dowel, and 
>> Jay's ample use of daisy-chain loops on the underside and backside of the 
>> bag really let you tailor the fit to your bike setup. What the BxB bags 
>> seem to excel at is in the rock-solidness of them. Whereas my other bags 
>> tend to shift and flop around a bit on rough terrain, all of my BxB bags 
>> just stay solid no matter the load. I'm really not sure what accounts for 
>> this because they share many of the same mounting features as the other 
>> two, but Jay's bags just ride so much better than the others. I can use my 
>> Goldback with the Carradice Bagman support, or supported by the R14 rack 
>> depending on how much load I need to weigh it down with.
>>
>> Hope this info helps!
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:47:00 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I respect your decision to buy a new bike for your upcoming new bag 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:38 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>>
 Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful 
 replies. Being my first post, it didn't appear for several days and I sort 
 of lost track of this thread. Next thing you know it's a month later and I 
 found all of your great answers. Haven't bought a bag yet, but it will 
 surely be one of the ones mentioned here. Delayed the purchase as I'm 
 thinking of buying a new bike first :)

 On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-6 Drw wrote:

> Another vote for BagsXbird. I was a perennial saddlebag switcher for 

[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Alexander Chalmers]

Recently got a Buffalo Bags Big Buffalo- haven't had a chance to use it 
much but its huge and seems well made. 

I've also been using a Realm Wald basket bag for a while. I have the 
smaller version and it can fit a ton. Not sure if you have a bag for your 
basket already but it definitely expands the capacity. I know people have 
done shorter tours with their basket bags and a few other small bags

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:45:53 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just now seeing this thread, so I thought I would share some thoughts. 
> After trying several of the more common brands you see most folks using 
> these days, here's my ranking on experience:
>
> Carradice Nelson longflap - I bought this direct from the UK (cheaper) 
> after using a "zipped roll" for over a decade. I also bought a QR Bagman 
> support because I ride smaller bikes (54 cm range) and don't have a lot of 
> space between my saddle and rear tire. The Nelson has a good deal of room 
> and I find myself using the extra flap quite a bit on overnights. I added a 
> thin sheet of poly material to the interior to give it some internal 
> stiffening because I don't like floppy bags. The price, reputation, and 
> classic styling of these Carradice bags makes them a good choice, but my 
> main sticking point for daily use is the dang leather straps and metal 
> buckles. I know it's part of the classic charm but I find them annoyingly 
> fiddly and am always wishing for the ease of plastic clip buckles and nylon 
> webbing.
>
> Fabio's Chest - I have a small waxed canvas version, and it's a very 
> handsome, well-made bag. Even the small is more than enough for my 
> bikepacking needs for overnights or multi-day trips (although I'm always 
> running front AND rear bags when bikepacking). The roll-top combined with a 
> long-flap feature is perfect for over-stuffing and still keeping your stuff 
> dry and secure. The side pockets are huge, and I love the ability to close 
> them simply with the velcro tabs OR a nylon buckle if you so choose. The 
> small size also works well as a basket bag when paired with a Wald 137. My 
> only critique of the Fab's Chest is I wish it had an internal dowel for 
> rigidity like the Carradice and BxB offerings. The thin plastic strip sewn 
> into the mounting area is similar to that of the Swift Zeitgeist, but I 
> think these bags are better served with more robust "framework" for 
> stability. When used as a saddlebag, I support it with a Nitto R14 rear 
> rack.
>
> BxB Goldback (SM) - Far and away the best all-around saddlebag I've found. 
> Jay's designs combine all the best elements of the above mentioned bags, 
> and they are the best designed and built bags I've used. I currently own 
> the Goldback, the Teardrop handlebar bag (no longer in production) and a 
> Better Half frame bag. Size-wise, it fits somewhere between a Zeitgeist and 
> the Carradice Nelson. It combines the drawstring cinch interior of the 
> Carradice with a longflap that is designed to wrap over the top edge, 
> keeping the elements out even when stuffed full (something I can't say for 
> the Nelson). Mine came with both an interior and an exterior dowel, and 
> Jay's ample use of daisy-chain loops on the underside and backside of the 
> bag really let you tailor the fit to your bike setup. What the BxB bags 
> seem to excel at is in the rock-solidness of them. Whereas my other bags 
> tend to shift and flop around a bit on rough terrain, all of my BxB bags 
> just stay solid no matter the load. I'm really not sure what accounts for 
> this because they share many of the same mounting features as the other 
> two, but Jay's bags just ride so much better than the others. I can use my 
> Goldback with the Carradice Bagman support, or supported by the R14 rack 
> depending on how much load I need to weigh it down with.
>
> Hope this info helps!
> -Brian
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:47:00 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I respect your decision to buy a new bike for your upcoming new bag 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:38 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful replies. 
>>> Being my first post, it didn't appear for several days and I sort of lost 
>>> track of this thread. Next thing you know it's a month later and I found 
>>> all of your great answers. Haven't bought a bag yet, but it will surely be 
>>> one of the ones mentioned here. Delayed the purchase as I'm thinking of 
>>> buying a new bike first :)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-6 Drw wrote:
>>>
 Another vote for BagsXbird. I was a perennial saddlebag switcher for 
 years, but my small bxb bag hasn't left the bike since i got it. I also 
 bought a bigger one for overnights/touring. They are expensive but the 
 quality is phenomenal and he's really solved/added some cool and useful 
 details to the standard design. 

 On Tuesday, April 

[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Brian Turner]

Just now seeing this thread, so I thought I would share some thoughts. 
After trying several of the more common brands you see most folks using 
these days, here's my ranking on experience:

Carradice Nelson longflap - I bought this direct from the UK (cheaper) 
after using a "zipped roll" for over a decade. I also bought a QR Bagman 
support because I ride smaller bikes (54 cm range) and don't have a lot of 
space between my saddle and rear tire. The Nelson has a good deal of room 
and I find myself using the extra flap quite a bit on overnights. I added a 
thin sheet of poly material to the interior to give it some internal 
stiffening because I don't like floppy bags. The price, reputation, and 
classic styling of these Carradice bags makes them a good choice, but my 
main sticking point for daily use is the dang leather straps and metal 
buckles. I know it's part of the classic charm but I find them annoyingly 
fiddly and am always wishing for the ease of plastic clip buckles and nylon 
webbing.

Fabio's Chest - I have a small waxed canvas version, and it's a very 
handsome, well-made bag. Even the small is more than enough for my 
bikepacking needs for overnights or multi-day trips (although I'm always 
running front AND rear bags when bikepacking). The roll-top combined with a 
long-flap feature is perfect for over-stuffing and still keeping your stuff 
dry and secure. The side pockets are huge, and I love the ability to close 
them simply with the velcro tabs OR a nylon buckle if you so choose. The 
small size also works well as a basket bag when paired with a Wald 137. My 
only critique of the Fab's Chest is I wish it had an internal dowel for 
rigidity like the Carradice and BxB offerings. The thin plastic strip sewn 
into the mounting area is similar to that of the Swift Zeitgeist, but I 
think these bags are better served with more robust "framework" for 
stability. When used as a saddlebag, I support it with a Nitto R14 rear 
rack.

BxB Goldback (SM) - Far and away the best all-around saddlebag I've found. 
Jay's designs combine all the best elements of the above mentioned bags, 
and they are the best designed and built bags I've used. I currently own 
the Goldback, the Teardrop handlebar bag (no longer in production) and a 
Better Half frame bag. Size-wise, it fits somewhere between a Zeitgeist and 
the Carradice Nelson. It combines the drawstring cinch interior of the 
Carradice with a longflap that is designed to wrap over the top edge, 
keeping the elements out even when stuffed full (something I can't say for 
the Nelson). Mine came with both an interior and an exterior dowel, and 
Jay's ample use of daisy-chain loops on the underside and backside of the 
bag really let you tailor the fit to your bike setup. What the BxB bags 
seem to excel at is in the rock-solidness of them. Whereas my other bags 
tend to shift and flop around a bit on rough terrain, all of my BxB bags 
just stay solid no matter the load. I'm really not sure what accounts for 
this because they share many of the same mounting features as the other 
two, but Jay's bags just ride so much better than the others. I can use my 
Goldback with the Carradice Bagman support, or supported by the R14 rack 
depending on how much load I need to weigh it down with.

Hope this info helps!
-Brian

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:47:00 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I respect your decision to buy a new bike for your upcoming new bag 
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:38 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful replies. 
>> Being my first post, it didn't appear for several days and I sort of lost 
>> track of this thread. Next thing you know it's a month later and I found 
>> all of your great answers. Haven't bought a bag yet, but it will surely be 
>> one of the ones mentioned here. Delayed the purchase as I'm thinking of 
>> buying a new bike first :)
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-6 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> Another vote for BagsXbird. I was a perennial saddlebag switcher for 
>>> years, but my small bxb bag hasn't left the bike since i got it. I also 
>>> bought a bigger one for overnights/touring. They are expensive but the 
>>> quality is phenomenal and he's really solved/added some cool and useful 
>>> details to the standard design. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:58:11 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I was unaware that there were Alps in Australia.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:00:50 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> For a reasonable size saddlebag that needs no rack underneath, the BXB 
> bags are pretty nice, but also quite expensive They come provided with a 
> stiffener inside, a piece of dowel to prevent the sides of the bag coming 
> forward into contact with your legs, and also a nylon strap with hook 
> that 
> attaches from top to bottom of the centre of the opening to prevent the 

[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Joe Bernard]

I respect your decision to buy a new bike for your upcoming new bag 

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:38 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful replies. 
> Being my first post, it didn't appear for several days and I sort of lost 
> track of this thread. Next thing you know it's a month later and I found 
> all of your great answers. Haven't bought a bag yet, but it will surely be 
> one of the ones mentioned here. Delayed the purchase as I'm thinking of 
> buying a new bike first :)
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-6 Drw wrote:
>
>> Another vote for BagsXbird. I was a perennial saddlebag switcher for 
>> years, but my small bxb bag hasn't left the bike since i got it. I also 
>> bought a bigger one for overnights/touring. They are expensive but the 
>> quality is phenomenal and he's really solved/added some cool and useful 
>> details to the standard design. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:58:11 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I was unaware that there were Alps in Australia.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:00:50 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 For a reasonable size saddlebag that needs no rack underneath, the BXB 
 bags are pretty nice, but also quite expensive They come provided with a 
 stiffener inside, a piece of dowel to prevent the sides of the bag coming 
 forward into contact with your legs, and also a nylon strap with hook that 
 attaches from top to bottom of the centre of the opening to prevent the 
 middle of the bag sagging onto the tyre when loaded. Here's the one I have:
 [image: IMG_20200726_180051.jpg]

 For greater capacity, I use a Carradice Camper Longflap hanging off a 
 Nitto R50 saddlebag grip and with a Nitto saddlebag rack underneath. That 
 holds enough for a several day long tour if I'm staying in hotels/motels. 
 Here it is loaded up for such a tour in the Australian Alps:
 [image: IMG_0102.JPG]

 Nick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Chris K]

Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful replies. 
Being my first post, it didn't appear for several days and I sort of lost 
track of this thread. Next thing you know it's a month later and I found 
all of your great answers. Haven't bought a bag yet, but it will surely be 
one of the ones mentioned here. Delayed the purchase as I'm thinking of 
buying a new bike first :)

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-6 Drw wrote:

> Another vote for BagsXbird. I was a perennial saddlebag switcher for 
> years, but my small bxb bag hasn't left the bike since i got it. I also 
> bought a bigger one for overnights/touring. They are expensive but the 
> quality is phenomenal and he's really solved/added some cool and useful 
> details to the standard design. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:58:11 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> I was unaware that there were Alps in Australia.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:00:50 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> For a reasonable size saddlebag that needs no rack underneath, the BXB 
>>> bags are pretty nice, but also quite expensive They come provided with a 
>>> stiffener inside, a piece of dowel to prevent the sides of the bag coming 
>>> forward into contact with your legs, and also a nylon strap with hook that 
>>> attaches from top to bottom of the centre of the opening to prevent the 
>>> middle of the bag sagging onto the tyre when loaded. Here's the one I have:
>>> [image: IMG_20200726_180051.jpg]
>>>
>>> For greater capacity, I use a Carradice Camper Longflap hanging off a 
>>> Nitto R50 saddlebag grip and with a Nitto saddlebag rack underneath. That 
>>> holds enough for a several day long tour if I'm staying in hotels/motels. 
>>> Here it is loaded up for such a tour in the Australian Alps:
>>> [image: IMG_0102.JPG]
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Drw]

Another vote for BagsXbird. I was a perennial saddlebag switcher for years, 
but my small bxb bag hasn't left the bike since i got it. I also bought a 
bigger one for overnights/touring. They are expensive but the quality is 
phenomenal and he's really solved/added some cool and useful details to the 
standard design. 

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:58:11 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I was unaware that there were Alps in Australia.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:00:50 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> For a reasonable size saddlebag that needs no rack underneath, the BXB 
>> bags are pretty nice, but also quite expensive They come provided with a 
>> stiffener inside, a piece of dowel to prevent the sides of the bag coming 
>> forward into contact with your legs, and also a nylon strap with hook that 
>> attaches from top to bottom of the centre of the opening to prevent the 
>> middle of the bag sagging onto the tyre when loaded. Here's the one I have:
>> [image: IMG_20200726_180051.jpg]
>>
>> For greater capacity, I use a Carradice Camper Longflap hanging off a 
>> Nitto R50 saddlebag grip and with a Nitto saddlebag rack underneath. That 
>> holds enough for a several day long tour if I'm staying in hotels/motels. 
>> Here it is loaded up for such a tour in the Australian Alps:
>> [image: IMG_0102.JPG]
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[lconley]

I was unaware that there were Alps in Australia.

Laing

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:00:50 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> For a reasonable size saddlebag that needs no rack underneath, the BXB 
> bags are pretty nice, but also quite expensive They come provided with a 
> stiffener inside, a piece of dowel to prevent the sides of the bag coming 
> forward into contact with your legs, and also a nylon strap with hook that 
> attaches from top to bottom of the centre of the opening to prevent the 
> middle of the bag sagging onto the tyre when loaded. Here's the one I have:
> [image: IMG_20200726_180051.jpg]
>
> For greater capacity, I use a Carradice Camper Longflap hanging off a 
> Nitto R50 saddlebag grip and with a Nitto saddlebag rack underneath. That 
> holds enough for a several day long tour if I'm staying in hotels/motels. 
> Here it is loaded up for such a tour in the Australian Alps:
> [image: IMG_0102.JPG]
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Garth]

Best all-around useful saddlebag? Oh, britishcycle.com is in Arizona.   Yes 
... that's a very weird contrast. 
On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:38:46 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

>   Hey George .. Among my recent bag pursuits which included all things 
> Carradice, the standard Bagman Sport(saddle loop dependent) is as available 
> the Expedition and the QR versions. Perennial Cycles in MN, Britishcycle in 
> OR, and Ben's Cycle in WI all have it in stock in the USA, not to mention 
> the plethora of UK vendors. 
>
>
> For George and/or Anyone Else . how much open seat rail space does the 
> Bagman clamp require, in millimeters ?  
>
> What prevents/minimizes the bags from swaying laterally when cornering, 
> sprinting, mashing, thrashing, whaling ... you know  throwing all 
> thought to the wind in playful abandon ? Since the answer depends on how 
> heavy the load, for reference I'm talking a lighter/smaller bag like a 
> Barley or Lightweight Audax loaded with whatever you carry ? 
>
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:29:39 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> My favorite was the Carradice Barley "super C" model coupled with the 
>> Carradice Bagman Sport bag support.  The Super C Barley was great in that 
>> it had plastic quick-detach strap connectors.  Also, it had a slightly 
>> larger capacity than the standard Barley bag.  But apparently they only 
>> made the Super C version of that bag for a few years and it's no longer 
>> available.  Likewise, the Sport model of the bag support does not appear to 
>> be available any longer, either, other than in a QR version.  The standard 
>> size Bagman is too large for the Barley bag.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:03:10 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris – Welcome! 
>>>
>>> I've been running a Sackville "Happisack" (I just think of it as the 
>>> "medium") for over a year and love it. Great size for me as I do a lot of 
>>> grocery trips and it fits a large clamshell of salad or a twelve pack of 
>>> seltzer. Also can accommodate my laptop, documents, sweaters, etc. Great 
>>> size for me and wouldn't want any bigger or smaller. I run mine supported 
>>> by a Nitto R14 rack. 
>>>
>>> I don't think you could go wrong with either the Bag Boy or Happisack as 
>>> a compliment to your basket. Joe's right, too: you won't notice when it's 
>>> empty, except as a handsome accessory dangling off the back. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:29:29 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a Carradice Pendleton for everyday use-it is a really nice 
 mid-sized bag. I also have a Nelson Longflap for times when I need more 
 capacity, and I really like the longflap feature. I really like the 
 simple, 
 functional and durable aesthetic of Carradice. That being said, I could 
 see 
 the advantages of a modern version like Swift or Bags x Bird. Someday I 
 hope to have a Waxwing custom saddlebag, which might be the best of both 
 worlds.
 Randy
 Wisconsin

 On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:55:38 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I have used a Carradace Nelson Longflap I've used for daily commuting 
> and overnight trips for 20 years now. For medium and higher trail bikes 
> putting loads on the rear are less detrimental to handling than the 
> front. 
> The Nelson's lateral shape keeps things as well forward as possible. I 
> got 
> it for a ridiculously light ride across the country (credit card camping 
> and eating) on my Rambouillet. Simple, useful and adaptable.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:20:56 PM UTC-4 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions 
>> on "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>>
>> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and 
>> Wald basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more 
>> capacity 
>> in the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the 
>> Happisack seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I 
>> mostly 
>> ride around town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>>
>> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
>> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Garth]

  Hey George .. Among my recent bag pursuits which included all things 
Carradice, the standard Bagman Sport(saddle loop dependent) is as available 
the Expedition and the QR versions. Perennial Cycles in MN, Britishcycle in 
OR, and Ben's Cycle in WI all have it in stock in the USA, not to mention 
the plethora of UK vendors. 


For George and/or Anyone Else . how much open seat rail space does the 
Bagman clamp require, in millimeters ?  

What prevents/minimizes the bags from swaying laterally when cornering, 
sprinting, mashing, thrashing, whaling ... you know  throwing all 
thought to the wind in playful abandon ? Since the answer depends on how 
heavy the load, for reference I'm talking a lighter/smaller bag like a 
Barley or Lightweight Audax loaded with whatever you carry ? 


On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:29:39 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> My favorite was the Carradice Barley "super C" model coupled with the 
> Carradice Bagman Sport bag support.  The Super C Barley was great in that 
> it had plastic quick-detach strap connectors.  Also, it had a slightly 
> larger capacity than the standard Barley bag.  But apparently they only 
> made the Super C version of that bag for a few years and it's no longer 
> available.  Likewise, the Sport model of the bag support does not appear to 
> be available any longer, either, other than in a QR version.  The standard 
> size Bagman is too large for the Barley bag.
>
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:03:10 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris – Welcome! 
>>
>> I've been running a Sackville "Happisack" (I just think of it as the 
>> "medium") for over a year and love it. Great size for me as I do a lot of 
>> grocery trips and it fits a large clamshell of salad or a twelve pack of 
>> seltzer. Also can accommodate my laptop, documents, sweaters, etc. Great 
>> size for me and wouldn't want any bigger or smaller. I run mine supported 
>> by a Nitto R14 rack. 
>>
>> I don't think you could go wrong with either the Bag Boy or Happisack as 
>> a compliment to your basket. Joe's right, too: you won't notice when it's 
>> empty, except as a handsome accessory dangling off the back. 
>>
>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:29:29 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Carradice Pendleton for everyday use-it is a really nice 
>>> mid-sized bag. I also have a Nelson Longflap for times when I need more 
>>> capacity, and I really like the longflap feature. I really like the simple, 
>>> functional and durable aesthetic of Carradice. That being said, I could see 
>>> the advantages of a modern version like Swift or Bags x Bird. Someday I 
>>> hope to have a Waxwing custom saddlebag, which might be the best of both 
>>> worlds.
>>> Randy
>>> Wisconsin
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:55:38 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 I have used a Carradace Nelson Longflap I've used for daily commuting 
 and overnight trips for 20 years now. For medium and higher trail bikes 
 putting loads on the rear are less detrimental to handling than the front. 
 The Nelson's lateral shape keeps things as well forward as possible. I got 
 it for a ridiculously light ride across the country (credit card camping 
 and eating) on my Rambouillet. Simple, useful and adaptable.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

 On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:20:56 PM UTC-4 Chris K wrote:

> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions 
> on "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>
> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and 
> Wald basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more 
> capacity 
> in the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the 
> Happisack seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly 
> ride around town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>
> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>
> Thanks!
>


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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Chris, I dropped a bunch of bags on the "rivendelicious" facebook page very 
recently.  If you haven't checked that site out, it's where people sell 
stuff (in addition to or alternative to here)

IMO go big

Cheers!

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "I won't know whether to pity you or admire you if it turns out to be the 
> only saddlebag you ever own. Buying bags is a noble pursuit."
>
> There is a disturbingly good chance I've owned at least one copy of every 
> Sackville ever made, and most of the Baggins.* Which I probably shouldn't 
> admit! 
>
> * The only Riv bag I have now is this SaddleSack Medium with this lovely 
> 'looks like a Clem L' patch hidden under the kangaroo pouch that Leah 
> (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) applied before selling to me. It stays with the 
> Riv Custom I'm never selling, you can't have it! 
>
> Joe "actually down to one bike and one saddlebag now" Bernard
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:36:18 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The OP included the phrase:  " if you could only own one."
>>
>> LOLOLOLOL!!!  Only one!  That's hilarious.  :)  
>>
>> OK, seriously, I strongly endorse the Swift Zeitgeist as a very very good 
>> first saddlebag.  It's great quality, great design, great materials, and 
>> MUSA.  It is well-known, so a high resale value is guaranteed no matter how 
>> much you use it.  I won't know whether to pity you or admire you if it 
>> turns out to be the only saddlebag you ever own.  Buying bags is a noble 
>> pursuit.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
>>> "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>>>
>>> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
>>> basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
>>> the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
>>> seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
>>> town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>>>
>>> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
>>> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Bill Lindsay]

The OP included the phrase:  " if you could only own one."

LOLOLOLOL!!!  Only one!  That's hilarious.  :)  

OK, seriously, I strongly endorse the Swift Zeitgeist as a very very good 
first saddlebag.  It's great quality, great design, great materials, and 
MUSA.  It is well-known, so a high resale value is guaranteed no matter how 
much you use it.  I won't know whether to pity you or admire you if it 
turns out to be the only saddlebag you ever own.  Buying bags is a noble 
pursuit.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
> "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>
> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
> basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
> the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
> seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
> town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>
> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Patrick Moore]

I've owned 2 medium Saddlesacks and 1 large, 1 of the mediums and the large
older models. Yes, the fabric on the newer medium is not as good as that on
the earlier M and L. Still, I doubt the new and current one will fail in my
lifetime.

I've owned a couple of smaller Acorn bags including 1 Junior/Cadet-sized
saddlebag. They were good, but I didn't think that the fabric was better
than Carradices, at least recent Carradices, not to mention the stalwarts
from 30 years ago; Carradice did go through a a period in the '00s or early
'10s where the material and leather was much poorer.

Does anyone still have one of the Cartwright series? I owned an Adam and a
huge Hoss; nice, but more like Carradices in better quality than like the
Saddlesacks.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:52 AM Matt Beecher  wrote:

> ... I have some Sackville bags and they are pretty nice.  I have no
> complaints here, but the fabric does not seem quite as durable, though I
> think this might be an unfair statement.  I've never had a Sackville fail
> on me before and the quality is good.  That said, if I were going to ride
> across the country and needed a saddlebag to last those miles, I would
> probably go with the Acorn.
>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Matt Beecher]

I've got a few Acorn bags.  The medium and tall rando bags are the best I 
have seen, if you want to consider a front rack bag and are willing to 
commit to a decaleur.  The saddle bags are good too, but more on par with 
competition.  The only fault I give Acorn is that they are hard to get, 
though it seems this is a small two person side-hustle, so you cannot 
really blame them for this.  

I have some Sackville bags and they are pretty nice.  I have no complaints 
here, but the fabric does not seem quite as durable, though I think this 
might be an unfair statement.  I've never had a Sackville fail on me before 
and the quality is good.  That said, if I were going to ride across the 
country and needed a saddlebag to last those miles, I would probably go 
with the Acorn.  

I also have two Minnehaha bags.  I picked them up about a decade ago for a 
very cheap price.  I think they were on clearance for about $25.  Without a 
support, I am not a fan, as they have a tendency to sway due to a lack of 
reinforcement.  I like them with the bagman support I picked up.

Surprisingly, I don't think I have ever seen a Carradice in person, though 
I hear good things about them. 

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 5:20:56 PM UTC-5 Chris K wrote:

> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
> "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>
> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
> basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
> the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
> seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
> town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>
> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[George Schick]

My favorite was the Carradice Barley "super C" model coupled with the 
Carradice Bagman Sport bag support.  The Super C Barley was great in that 
it had plastic quick-detach strap connectors.  Also, it had a slightly 
larger capacity than the standard Barley bag.  But apparently they only 
made the Super C version of that bag for a few years and it's no longer 
available.  Likewise, the Sport model of the bag support does not appear to 
be available any longer, either, other than in a QR version.  The standard 
size Bagman is too large for the Barley bag.


On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:03:10 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Chris – Welcome! 
>
> I've been running a Sackville "Happisack" (I just think of it as the 
> "medium") for over a year and love it. Great size for me as I do a lot of 
> grocery trips and it fits a large clamshell of salad or a twelve pack of 
> seltzer. Also can accommodate my laptop, documents, sweaters, etc. Great 
> size for me and wouldn't want any bigger or smaller. I run mine supported 
> by a Nitto R14 rack. 
>
> I don't think you could go wrong with either the Bag Boy or Happisack as a 
> compliment to your basket. Joe's right, too: you won't notice when it's 
> empty, except as a handsome accessory dangling off the back. 
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:29:29 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a Carradice Pendleton for everyday use-it is a really nice 
>> mid-sized bag. I also have a Nelson Longflap for times when I need more 
>> capacity, and I really like the longflap feature. I really like the simple, 
>> functional and durable aesthetic of Carradice. That being said, I could see 
>> the advantages of a modern version like Swift or Bags x Bird. Someday I 
>> hope to have a Waxwing custom saddlebag, which might be the best of both 
>> worlds.
>> Randy
>> Wisconsin
>>
>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:55:38 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> I have used a Carradace Nelson Longflap I've used for daily commuting 
>>> and overnight trips for 20 years now. For medium and higher trail bikes 
>>> putting loads on the rear are less detrimental to handling than the front. 
>>> The Nelson's lateral shape keeps things as well forward as possible. I got 
>>> it for a ridiculously light ride across the country (credit card camping 
>>> and eating) on my Rambouillet. Simple, useful and adaptable.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:20:56 PM UTC-4 Chris K wrote:
>>>
 Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions 
 on "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.

 For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and 
 Wald basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more 
 capacity 
 in the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the 
 Happisack seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly 
 ride around town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.

 Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
 looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.

 Thanks!

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Eric Marth]

Hi Chris – Welcome! 

I've been running a Sackville "Happisack" (I just think of it as the 
"medium") for over a year and love it. Great size for me as I do a lot of 
grocery trips and it fits a large clamshell of salad or a twelve pack of 
seltzer. Also can accommodate my laptop, documents, sweaters, etc. Great 
size for me and wouldn't want any bigger or smaller. I run mine supported 
by a Nitto R14 rack. 

I don't think you could go wrong with either the Bag Boy or Happisack as a 
compliment to your basket. Joe's right, too: you won't notice when it's 
empty, except as a handsome accessory dangling off the back. 

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:29:29 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a Carradice Pendleton for everyday use-it is a really nice 
> mid-sized bag. I also have a Nelson Longflap for times when I need more 
> capacity, and I really like the longflap feature. I really like the simple, 
> functional and durable aesthetic of Carradice. That being said, I could see 
> the advantages of a modern version like Swift or Bags x Bird. Someday I 
> hope to have a Waxwing custom saddlebag, which might be the best of both 
> worlds.
> Randy
> Wisconsin
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:55:38 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I have used a Carradace Nelson Longflap I've used for daily commuting and 
>> overnight trips for 20 years now. For medium and higher trail bikes putting 
>> loads on the rear are less detrimental to handling than the front. The 
>> Nelson's lateral shape keeps things as well forward as possible. I got it 
>> for a ridiculously light ride across the country (credit card camping and 
>> eating) on my Rambouillet. Simple, useful and adaptable.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:20:56 PM UTC-4 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
>>> "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>>>
>>> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
>>> basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
>>> the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
>>> seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
>>> town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>>>
>>> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
>>> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[larson....@gmail.com]

I have a Carradice Pendleton for everyday use-it is a really nice mid-sized 
bag. I also have a Nelson Longflap for times when I need more capacity, and 
I really like the longflap feature. I really like the simple, functional 
and durable aesthetic of Carradice. That being said, I could see the 
advantages of a modern version like Swift or Bags x Bird. Someday I hope to 
have a Waxwing custom saddlebag, which might be the best of both worlds.
Randy
Wisconsin

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:55:38 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I have used a Carradace Nelson Longflap I've used for daily commuting and 
> overnight trips for 20 years now. For medium and higher trail bikes putting 
> loads on the rear are less detrimental to handling than the front. The 
> Nelson's lateral shape keeps things as well forward as possible. I got it 
> for a ridiculously light ride across the country (credit card camping and 
> eating) on my Rambouillet. Simple, useful and adaptable.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:20:56 PM UTC-4 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
>> "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>>
>> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
>> basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
>> the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
>> seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
>> town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>>
>> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
>> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[ascpgh]

I have used a Carradace Nelson Longflap I've used for daily commuting and 
overnight trips for 20 years now. For medium and higher trail bikes putting 
loads on the rear are less detrimental to handling than the front. The 
Nelson's lateral shape keeps things as well forward as possible. I got it 
for a ridiculously light ride across the country (credit card camping and 
eating) on my Rambouillet. Simple, useful and adaptable.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:20:56 PM UTC-4 Chris K wrote:

> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
> "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>
> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
> basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
> the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
> seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
> town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>
> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>
> Thanks!
>

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