[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Mike in WA]

Update: I've come to find that I just can't find a sweet spot on the 
Cambium and I think it's got to do with the super weird rounded shape 
others have mentioned, not the width. There is more support with the wider 
shape, but it's still an odd fit. There's also the knowledge that it will 
always feel like this, unlike a leather saddle that conforms to your 
anatomy a little. The uncarved Cambium has a distinctly harsher ride 
quality (less flex). I also noticed that I'm really uncomfortable in the 
forward tuck position on the H-bar, probably because the nose section is 
too wide. 

I just ordered a Rivet Pearl (after reading many reviews on here and 
elsewhere) and I'm hoping this will be the cure to my saddle woes. I'm 
going to return the C19 soon. 

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I got my C19 today and took it for a short ride. Initial impressions: the 
> additional width and support was much needed for my very upright position 
> and it feels better than my C17 carved. I feel like my sit bones now have a 
> reasonable area to rest on, whereas the C17 has been starting to get 
> uncomfortable (pressure points)  in just a couple miles. I think I was 
> convincing myself that a C17 had to work on this bike because a Berthoud 
> worked for years on my Rivendells... but the Jones position is much more 
> upright and I'm sure my sitbones are set wider on this bike. I also think I 
> fell for the marketing that the C17 is similar to a B17, when in reality, 
> the C19 is closer in dimensions and feel to a B17, IMO. 
>
> There is a marked difference (in the hand) in flexibility between the C19 
> and C17 carved. Assuming this saddle makes it through the trial period of 
> the next few weeks, I'm thinking of sending it to Selle Anatomica to get 
> the slit cut. I really liked the SA I had, it just wouldn't hold it's 
> shape/tension, so I think this might make a big difference in better 
> flexibility. Included is a pic of a C17 atop the C19.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 8:45:42 AM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>> I ordered a C19 and will be getting it on Thursday, will report back with 
>> my opinion. FWIW, I emailed Brooks and asked about  a slotted C19, but they 
>> have no current plans for one (though they said it's a possibility in the 
>> vague future). If the saddle fits better for me, I may try to improvise my 
>> own slot for better flexibility. -- Mike 
>>
>> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 9:07:10 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>>
>>> My C19 arrived in the mail, but I haven't had a chance to try it out 
>>> yet. In the hand, it is wider but seems no more flexible than a C17.
>>>
>>> If your bones are wider, the C19 might fit you better. Sitting upright, 
>>> my sit bones are about 15cm wide.
>>>
>>> My C17 isn't comfortable on my Hunqapillar with Alba bars, but is very 
>>> comfortable on my AHH with Noodle drops set a hair above the saddle. 
>>> Leaning forward, my sit bones are narrower.
>>>
>>> I fear this whole riding more upright with albatross bars may not really 
>>> be my thing, though. I'm not giving up on my Albatross bars yet, but I am 
>>> finding riding to be much more fun with my 48 cm Noodles than with my 
>>> Albatross bars.
>>>
>>> Maybe I just need to full retro with my Hunqapillar and order a 
>>> completely sprung out Brooks B135, a travel tea service & pith helmet.  :)
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:00:45 PM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:

 I ordered one this week to try out on my Hunqapillar. 

 Has anyone ridden one of these wider Cambium's yet?

 Thanks,

 John

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Mike this was the type of feedback I was hoping to hear.  I own more Brooks 
saddles than a normal person should and I jumped in on a C-17 shortly after 
they were introduced.  Just did not work for me in the same ways you 
described.  Too narrow and the top was too rounded.  I was wondering if the 
extra width did give a "flatter" surface area for the sit bones or if it 
was still very curved but over a wider area.  I don't need another saddle 
but I am drawn to the weather feature of it.

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 3:00:45 PM UTC-4, John Phillips wrote:
>
> I ordered one this week to try out on my Hunqapillar. 
>
> Has anyone ridden one of these wider Cambium's yet?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Mike in WA]

Kieran,

I would say the C17 carved is noticeably less flexible, owing to the 
shorter slot. The SA Titanico X felt good to me in the first few miles, but 
I would develop the same problem as the C17, where it feels like the saddle 
is migrating into soft tissue because it's too narrow. Also possible that 
I'm sitting on rather than between the frame structure. Hardness isn't so 
much a concern for me, as I rode comfortably for years on a very hard and 
unslotted Berthoud saddle. I think it's more matching up the body-saddle 
geometries for me, but I like the flex and possible pressure relief of a 
slot. 

I need to take some long rides and see how the C19 fares in this regard, 
but I think it's going to be much improved based on the absence of 
discomfort on short rides. Assuming there's no pain/numbness on long rides, 
I think the C19 might be the perfect saddle for me with an SA-style slot. 
I've also contacted Rivet to see if they'll do this, since I haven't heard 
back from SA. I learned a lot about saddle fit just by reading the Rivet 
site! 

On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 6:47:27 AM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Mike, how would you say the SA compared to the C17 Carved in terms of 
> flexibility/butt feel?
>
> The SA is my go-to saddle, in spite of its well-known drawbacks. I tried a 
> regular C17 for about 5 minutes and hated it; too hard and too rounded a 
> top. Being a vegetarian/almost-vegan, the Cambium design appeals to be on 
> that level, and I'd love for it to work for me anatomically. 
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 12:04:40 AM UTC-4, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I got my C19 today and took it for a short ride. Initial impressions: the 
>> additional width and support was much needed for my very upright position 
>> and it feels better than my C17 carved. I feel like my sit bones now have a 
>> reasonable area to rest on, whereas the C17 has been starting to get 
>> uncomfortable (pressure points)  in just a couple miles. I think I was 
>> convincing myself that a C17 had to work on this bike because a Berthoud 
>> worked for years on my Rivendells... but the Jones position is much more 
>> upright and I'm sure my sitbones are set wider on this bike. I also think I 
>> fell for the marketing that the C17 is similar to a B17, when in reality, 
>> the C19 is closer in dimensions and feel to a B17, IMO. 
>>
>> There is a marked difference (in the hand) in flexibility between the C19 
>> and C17 carved. Assuming this saddle makes it through the trial period of 
>> the next few weeks, I'm thinking of sending it to Selle Anatomica to get 
>> the slit cut. I really liked the SA I had, it just wouldn't hold it's 
>> shape/tension, so I think this might make a big difference in better 
>> flexibility. Included is a pic of a C17 atop the C19.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 8:45:42 AM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>>>
>>> I ordered a C19 and will be getting it on Thursday, will report back 
>>> with my opinion. FWIW, I emailed Brooks and asked about  a slotted C19, but 
>>> they have no current plans for one (though they said it's a possibility in 
>>> the vague future). If the saddle fits better for me, I may try to improvise 
>>> my own slot for better flexibility. -- Mike 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 9:07:10 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:

 My C19 arrived in the mail, but I haven't had a chance to try it out 
 yet. In the hand, it is wider but seems no more flexible than a C17.

 If your bones are wider, the C19 might fit you better. Sitting upright, 
 my sit bones are about 15cm wide.

 My C17 isn't comfortable on my Hunqapillar with Alba bars, but is very 
 comfortable on my AHH with Noodle drops set a hair above the saddle. 
 Leaning forward, my sit bones are narrower.

 I fear this whole riding more upright with albatross bars may not 
 really be my thing, though. I'm not giving up on my Albatross bars yet, 
 but 
 I am finding riding to be much more fun with my 48 cm Noodles than with my 
 Albatross bars.

 Maybe I just need to full retro with my Hunqapillar and order a 
 completely sprung out Brooks B135, a travel tea service & pith helmet.  :)

 John

 On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:00:45 PM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> I ordered one this week to try out on my Hunqapillar. 
>
> Has anyone ridden one of these wider Cambium's yet?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>


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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Kieran J]

Mike, how would you say the SA compared to the C17 Carved in terms of 
flexibility/butt feel?

The SA is my go-to saddle, in spite of its well-known drawbacks. I tried a 
regular C17 for about 5 minutes and hated it; too hard and too rounded a 
top. Being a vegetarian/almost-vegan, the Cambium design appeals to be on 
that level, and I'd love for it to work for me anatomically. 

KJ


On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 12:04:40 AM UTC-4, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I got my C19 today and took it for a short ride. Initial impressions: the 
> additional width and support was much needed for my very upright position 
> and it feels better than my C17 carved. I feel like my sit bones now have a 
> reasonable area to rest on, whereas the C17 has been starting to get 
> uncomfortable (pressure points)  in just a couple miles. I think I was 
> convincing myself that a C17 had to work on this bike because a Berthoud 
> worked for years on my Rivendells... but the Jones position is much more 
> upright and I'm sure my sitbones are set wider on this bike. I also think I 
> fell for the marketing that the C17 is similar to a B17, when in reality, 
> the C19 is closer in dimensions and feel to a B17, IMO. 
>
> There is a marked difference (in the hand) in flexibility between the C19 
> and C17 carved. Assuming this saddle makes it through the trial period of 
> the next few weeks, I'm thinking of sending it to Selle Anatomica to get 
> the slit cut. I really liked the SA I had, it just wouldn't hold it's 
> shape/tension, so I think this might make a big difference in better 
> flexibility. Included is a pic of a C17 atop the C19.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 8:45:42 AM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>> I ordered a C19 and will be getting it on Thursday, will report back with 
>> my opinion. FWIW, I emailed Brooks and asked about  a slotted C19, but they 
>> have no current plans for one (though they said it's a possibility in the 
>> vague future). If the saddle fits better for me, I may try to improvise my 
>> own slot for better flexibility. -- Mike 
>>
>> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 9:07:10 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>>
>>> My C19 arrived in the mail, but I haven't had a chance to try it out 
>>> yet. In the hand, it is wider but seems no more flexible than a C17.
>>>
>>> If your bones are wider, the C19 might fit you better. Sitting upright, 
>>> my sit bones are about 15cm wide.
>>>
>>> My C17 isn't comfortable on my Hunqapillar with Alba bars, but is very 
>>> comfortable on my AHH with Noodle drops set a hair above the saddle. 
>>> Leaning forward, my sit bones are narrower.
>>>
>>> I fear this whole riding more upright with albatross bars may not really 
>>> be my thing, though. I'm not giving up on my Albatross bars yet, but I am 
>>> finding riding to be much more fun with my 48 cm Noodles than with my 
>>> Albatross bars.
>>>
>>> Maybe I just need to full retro with my Hunqapillar and order a 
>>> completely sprung out Brooks B135, a travel tea service & pith helmet.  :)
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:00:45 PM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:

 I ordered one this week to try out on my Hunqapillar. 

 Has anyone ridden one of these wider Cambium's yet?

 Thanks,

 John

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Mike in WA]

I got my C19 today and took it for a short ride. Initial impressions: the 
additional width and support was much needed for my very upright position 
and it feels better than my C17 carved. I feel like my sit bones now have a 
reasonable area to rest on, whereas the C17 has been starting to get 
uncomfortable (pressure points)  in just a couple miles. I think I was 
convincing myself that a C17 had to work on this bike because a Berthoud 
worked for years on my Rivendells... but the Jones position is much more 
upright and I'm sure my sitbones are set wider on this bike. I also think I 
fell for the marketing that the C17 is similar to a B17, when in reality, 
the C19 is closer in dimensions and feel to a B17, IMO. 

There is a marked difference (in the hand) in flexibility between the C19 
and C17 carved. Assuming this saddle makes it through the trial period of 
the next few weeks, I'm thinking of sending it to Selle Anatomica to get 
the slit cut. I really liked the SA I had, it just wouldn't hold it's 
shape/tension, so I think this might make a big difference in better 
flexibility. Included is a pic of a C17 atop the C19.




On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 8:45:42 AM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>
> I ordered a C19 and will be getting it on Thursday, will report back with 
> my opinion. FWIW, I emailed Brooks and asked about  a slotted C19, but they 
> have no current plans for one (though they said it's a possibility in the 
> vague future). If the saddle fits better for me, I may try to improvise my 
> own slot for better flexibility. -- Mike 
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 9:07:10 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>
>> My C19 arrived in the mail, but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. 
>> In the hand, it is wider but seems no more flexible than a C17.
>>
>> If your bones are wider, the C19 might fit you better. Sitting upright, 
>> my sit bones are about 15cm wide.
>>
>> My C17 isn't comfortable on my Hunqapillar with Alba bars, but is very 
>> comfortable on my AHH with Noodle drops set a hair above the saddle. 
>> Leaning forward, my sit bones are narrower.
>>
>> I fear this whole riding more upright with albatross bars may not really 
>> be my thing, though. I'm not giving up on my Albatross bars yet, but I am 
>> finding riding to be much more fun with my 48 cm Noodles than with my 
>> Albatross bars.
>>
>> Maybe I just need to full retro with my Hunqapillar and order a 
>> completely sprung out Brooks B135, a travel tea service & pith helmet.  :)
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:00:45 PM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>>
>>> I ordered one this week to try out on my Hunqapillar. 
>>>
>>> Has anyone ridden one of these wider Cambium's yet?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Jim Bronson]

For my friends that ride Brooks saddles, the shape change signals that the
saddle is broken in to their rando-ing satisfaction.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Never used one but from what I gather:
> 1. No leather maintenance
> 2. Waterproof
> 3. Possible less shape change with use for less wonkiness.
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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Mike in WA]

I ordered a C19 and will be getting it on Thursday, will report back with 
my opinion. FWIW, I emailed Brooks and asked about  a slotted C19, but they 
have no current plans for one (though they said it's a possibility in the 
vague future). If the saddle fits better for me, I may try to improvise my 
own slot for better flexibility. -- Mike 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 9:07:10 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> My C19 arrived in the mail, but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. 
> In the hand, it is wider but seems no more flexible than a C17.
>
> If your bones are wider, the C19 might fit you better. Sitting upright, my 
> sit bones are about 15cm wide.
>
> My C17 isn't comfortable on my Hunqapillar with Alba bars, but is very 
> comfortable on my AHH with Noodle drops set a hair above the saddle. 
> Leaning forward, my sit bones are narrower.
>
> I fear this whole riding more upright with albatross bars may not really 
> be my thing, though. I'm not giving up on my Albatross bars yet, but I am 
> finding riding to be much more fun with my 48 cm Noodles than with my 
> Albatross bars.
>
> Maybe I just need to full retro with my Hunqapillar and order a completely 
> sprung out Brooks B135, a travel tea service & pith helmet.  :)
>
> John
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:00:45 PM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>
>> I ordered one this week to try out on my Hunqapillar. 
>>
>> Has anyone ridden one of these wider Cambium's yet?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[John Phillips]

My C19 arrived in the mail, but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. 
In the hand, it is wider but seems no more flexible than a C17.

If your bones are wider, the C19 might fit you better. Sitting upright, my 
sit bones are about 15cm wide.

My C17 isn't comfortable on my Hunqapillar with Alba bars, but is very 
comfortable on my AHH with Noodle drops set a hair above the saddle. 
Leaning forward, my sit bones are narrower.

I fear this whole riding more upright with albatross bars may not really be 
my thing, though. I'm not giving up on my Albatross bars yet, but I am 
finding riding to be much more fun with my 48 cm Noodles than with my 
Albatross bars.

Maybe I just need to full retro with my Hunqapillar and order a completely 
sprung out Brooks B135, a travel tea service & pith helmet.  :)

John

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 12:00:45 PM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> I ordered one this week to try out on my Hunqapillar. 
>
> Has anyone ridden one of these wider Cambium's yet?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Mike in WA]

What I'm saying is that I need to properly measure my sit bones, add 20mm 
and see if it's the case that I'm likely sitting on (rather than in 
between) the frame edges. It feels like there's pretty distinct and 
uncomfortable pressure points at times and a properly wide saddle would be 
the simplest solution. It doesn't seem like a materials issue so much as a 
geometry issue. 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 4:00:45 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> Mike, what does "feels harsh " mean to you, and what leads you to assume 
> that a little wider one would be less so ?  Where is harsh feeling , the 
> front, middle, back, aĺl of it ?  I FIND Cambiums harsh everywhere myself, 
> an no width can cure that as it is the nature of the material and 
> construction in relationship to my sènse of "unison" if you will.  A good 
> saddle literally feels like nothing at all, meaning it does not add to or 
> tàke away from the experience of the ride.  It is the feeling we all 
> inherently know and can never describe in words.

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Not sure how to convey the feeling of harsh but that is a word I would also use 
to describe the saddle. I have the c17 and also wondered if the c19 might work 
better. Although there is some flex to the saddle I find it less yielding under 
my sit bones.  

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Garth]

Mike, what does "feels harsh " mean to you, and what leads you to assume that a 
little wider one would be less so ?  Where is harsh feeling , the front, 
middle, back, aĺl of it ?  I FIND Cambiums harsh everywhere myself, an no width 
can cure that as it is the nature of the material and construction in 
relationship to my sènse of "unison" if you will.  A good saddle literally 
feels like nothing at all, meaning it does not add to or tàke away from the 
experience of the ride.  It is the feeling we all inherently know and can never 
describe in words.

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Mike in WA]

Has anybody who's been riding a C17 ridden a C19 yet? If so, thoughts? I 
like my C17, but it does feel a bit harsh at times and I wonder if a little 
extra width is what I need. Backcountry will let you try a saddle and 
return it within 30 days if you don't like it, and this is an option I'm 
considering. 

On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 11:49:50 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>
> Hey John,
>
> I've been wondering the same thing.  I'm actually pretty much satisfied 
> with my C17, but wonder if a little extra width might be even better with 
> my more upright positioning lately.
>
> In addition to the non-leather benefits that have already been mentioned, 
> I actually prefer the more rounded profile of the C17 over the B17.  I 
> believe, for me, there is a larger "sweet spot" so that I can move for and 
> aft to accommodate different circumstances with greater comfort.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Pondero]

Hey John,

I've been wondering the same thing.  I'm actually pretty much satisfied 
with my C17, but wonder if a little extra width might be even better with 
my more upright positioning lately.

In addition to the non-leather benefits that have already been mentioned, I 
actually prefer the more rounded profile of the C17 over the B17.  I 
believe, for me, there is a larger "sweet spot" so that I can move for and 
aft to accommodate different circumstances with greater comfort.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Lungimsam]

Never used one but from what I gather:
1. No leather maintenance
2. Waterproof
3. Possible less shape change with use for less wonkiness.

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Kevin Lindsey]

What're the advantages of the Cambiums over the normal Brooks leather 
saddles?
Thanks,
Kevin

On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 12:22:17 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
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> Not that ive found.
> Someone at Brooks told me it was coming out in 2016.
> I sent them an email asking when a sprung version would be made.

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Lungimsam]

Not that ive found.
Someone at Brooks told me it was coming out in 2016.
I sent them an email asking when a sprung version would be made.

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[drew]

Are there links to see the sprung one?

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[RBW] Re: Cambium C19's?

[Keith Muller]

I put a C19 on my wife's Cheviot and she has been pretty pleased with it.

Keith

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 3:00:45 PM UTC-4, John Phillips wrote:
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> I ordered one this week to try out on my Hunqapillar. 
>
> Has anyone ridden one of these wider Cambium's yet?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
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