[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes
I have a Clem L 59 and have fitted some 29x2.5” tires. (700x63mm). Coming from the stock 45mm slicks, these fat tires have been amazing and made the bike super fun. Even on pavement. On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:44:11 PM UTC-6 Mackenzy Albright wrote: > My understanding is it's a colloquially 29er was referring to a 2"+ tire > that makes the diameter approximately 29" vs a 700c with a 23mm is > approximately 27". > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-6 Jacob Lopez wrote: > >> Well, I feel silly. A little more research could have answered that! >> Thanks, folks! I appreciate that. Makes sense now, the part where it says >> 29er *tires*... >> >> ~Jacob >> >> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote: >> >>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. >>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be >>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it >>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame >>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot >>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much >>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the >>> above applies. >>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: >>> Hi, All. I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers: I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er Tires". Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...? I may be looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 29's perform on this size. Any experience with that (if, of course I'm reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)? Does this introduce toe-overlap? Jacob San Diego, CA >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/39f26310--49fb-9f5b-e75a893e2fe4n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes
Beware, not all 28" tires and wheels are the same. My Guv'nor has 28x1.5 tires that are for 635 rims, not 622 rims. The only way to tell what the rim diameter is for sure is the ISO BSD - Bead Seat Diameter. The below is just scratching the surface. See Sheldon Brown if you really want to dig into it. ISO BSD - 787 - 36" Coker Monster Cruiser 635 - English, Dutch, Indian, Chinese roadster tires, 28" 630 - 27", 28" 622 - 700C, 29", 28" 594 - 26" Schwinn S-6 584 - 650B, 27.5 571 - 26" Schwinn S-7 559 - non Schwinn / standard 26" 451 - 20" 406 - 20" Laing On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:41:00 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote: > No biggie Jacob . Bike "standards" are truly a pile of madness ! One can > even buy some Schwalbe 28" tires, mount them on a 700c rim, and ride them > on a 29er ... and it all refers to the same wheel diameter ! Yippee ! > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:29:32 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: > >> Well, I feel silly. A little more research could have answered that! >> Thanks, folks! I appreciate that. Makes sense now, the part where it says >> 29er *tires*... >> >> ~Jacob >> >> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote: >> >>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. >>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be >>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it >>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame >>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot >>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much >>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the >>> above applies. >>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: >>> Hi, All. I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers: I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er Tires". Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...? I may be looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 29's perform on this size. Any experience with that (if, of course I'm reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)? Does this introduce toe-overlap? Jacob San Diego, CA >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e4cbcd67-df4c-4047-8255-e313c2685f74n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes
Thanks for the clarification, everyone! I think it makes sense now - it's all about the outer diameter and how much extra rubber the frame can take. Got it. The rim is 700c. Jacob On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:37:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > Oh you'd probably have to dig a while to come upon this information, most > of us only know it cuz we were around when the "700c mountain bike" was a > huge flop, then someone had the bright idea to rename the wheel and the > 29er was born. > > See, also: 650B - an old French size Riv and a couple others revived > 16-or-so years ago - became 27.5 for MTBs. > > Joe "my 650B Riv has 27.5" tires" Bernard > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:29:32 PM UTC-7 Jacob Lopez wrote: > >> Well, I feel silly. A little more research could have answered that! >> Thanks, folks! I appreciate that. Makes sense now, the part where it says >> 29er *tires*... >> >> ~Jacob >> >> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote: >> >>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. >>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be >>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it >>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame >>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot >>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much >>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the >>> above applies. >>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: >>> Hi, All. I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers: I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er Tires". Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...? I may be looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 29's perform on this size. Any experience with that (if, of course I'm reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)? Does this introduce toe-overlap? Jacob San Diego, CA >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b135bd61-af3d-46cf-be1d-d3fa7ef9266fn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes
Oh you'd probably have to dig a while to come upon this information, most of us only know it cuz we were around when the "700c mountain bike" was a huge flop, then someone had the bright idea to rename the wheel and the 29er was born. See, also: 650B - an old French size Riv and a couple others revived 16-or-so years ago - became 27.5 for MTBs. Joe "my 650B Riv has 27.5" tires" Bernard On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:29:32 PM UTC-7 Jacob Lopez wrote: > Well, I feel silly. A little more research could have answered that! > Thanks, folks! I appreciate that. Makes sense now, the part where it says > 29er *tires*... > > ~Jacob > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote: > >> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. >> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be >> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it >> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame >> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot >> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much >> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the >> above applies. >> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: >> >>> Hi, All. >>> >>> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you >>> know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers: >>> >>> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er >>> Tires". Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...? I may be >>> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how >>> 29's perform on this size. Any experience with that (if, of course I'm >>> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)? Does this >>> introduce toe-overlap? >>> >>> Jacob >>> San Diego, CA >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d42e07df-c6d3-435f-8ddb-d199abf5bdefn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes
Thanks everyone! I think I understand now: 59+cm Clem's have a 700c rim and a frame that can accommodate 29er tires for the extra rubber in the way that the 650b can offer more rubber to frames originally intended for 700c, i.e. to meet outer diameter limitations. On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:11 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote: > My understanding is it's a colloquially 29er was referring to a 2"+ tire > that makes the diameter approximately 29" vs a 700c with a 23mm is > approximately 27". > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-6 Jacob Lopez wrote: > >> Well, I feel silly. A little more research could have answered that! >> Thanks, folks! I appreciate that. Makes sense now, the part where it says >> 29er *tires*... >> >> ~Jacob >> >> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote: >> >>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. >>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be >>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it >>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame >>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot >>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much >>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the >>> above applies. >>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: >>> Hi, All. I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers: I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er Tires". Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...? I may be looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 29's perform on this size. Any experience with that (if, of course I'm reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)? Does this introduce toe-overlap? Jacob San Diego, CA >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b6270b9e-4079-4ae2-9e3b-d7c3dc6b6aaen%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes
My understanding is it's a colloquially 29er was referring to a 2"+ tire that makes the diameter approximately 29" vs a 700c with a 23mm is approximately 27". On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-6 Jacob Lopez wrote: > Well, I feel silly. A little more research could have answered that! > Thanks, folks! I appreciate that. Makes sense now, the part where it says > 29er *tires*... > > ~Jacob > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote: > >> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. >> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be >> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it >> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame >> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot >> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much >> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the >> above applies. >> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: >> >>> Hi, All. >>> >>> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you >>> know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers: >>> >>> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er >>> Tires". Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...? I may be >>> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how >>> 29's perform on this size. Any experience with that (if, of course I'm >>> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)? Does this >>> introduce toe-overlap? >>> >>> Jacob >>> San Diego, CA >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d78bada6-67ca-47a0-b673-5f8f2537e534n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes
No biggie Jacob . Bike "standards" are truly a pile of madness ! One can even buy some Schwalbe 28" tires, mount them on a 700c rim, and ride them on a 29er ... and it all refers to the same wheel diameter ! Yippee ! On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:29:32 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: > Well, I feel silly. A little more research could have answered that! > Thanks, folks! I appreciate that. Makes sense now, the part where it says > 29er *tires*... > > ~Jacob > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote: > >> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. >> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be >> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it >> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame >> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot >> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much >> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the >> above applies. >> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: >> >>> Hi, All. >>> >>> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you >>> know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers: >>> >>> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er >>> Tires". Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...? I may be >>> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how >>> 29's perform on this size. Any experience with that (if, of course I'm >>> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)? Does this >>> introduce toe-overlap? >>> >>> Jacob >>> San Diego, CA >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/75e9200e-3bf4-43dd-a8f3-4707a79ab83dn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes
Well, I feel silly. A little more research could have answered that! Thanks, folks! I appreciate that. Makes sense now, the part where it says 29er *tires*... ~Jacob On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote: > Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. > The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be > associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it > *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame > didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot > with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much > front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the > above applies. > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: > >> Hi, All. >> >> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know >> of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers: >> >> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er >> Tires". Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...? I may be >> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how >> 29's perform on this size. Any experience with that (if, of course I'm >> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)? Does this >> introduce toe-overlap? >> >> Jacob >> San Diego, CA >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f340e6ce-d535-4641-abcb-c10d9e01ecbfn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes
Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the above applies. On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote: > Hi, All. > > I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know > of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers: > > I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er > Tires". Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...? I may be > looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how > 29's perform on this size. Any experience with that (if, of course I'm > reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)? Does this > introduce toe-overlap? > > Jacob > San Diego, CA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f5da9037-404a-47ff-a93b-342b5fd161e0n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes
Hey Jacob, 700c and 29er are the same thing - just called differently between the road and mountain bike worlds. -W On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-7 Jacob Lopez wrote: > Hi, All. > > I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know > of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers: > > I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er > Tires". Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...? I may be > looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how > 29's perform on this size. Any experience with that (if, of course I'm > reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)? Does this > introduce toe-overlap? > > Jacob > San Diego, CA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a9094ef4-081f-48b5-aa97-3d3dda5f52b5n%40googlegroups.com.
