Re: [RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-18 Thread Surlyprof
+1 on checking the chain.  Last time an annoying click turned out to be a link 
in my chain, it took out my rear derailleur when it popped.  Hard way to find 
out.  Check those links!

John

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-18 Thread Fred Craven
This is a vital and important question. 
Its timeliness is timeless. 

Shoelaces got me on several occasions. 
Then, the need for a new chain, 
Then I had an issue with a freewheel (thus hiding the tick). 

I will now check the pedals and follow the above instructions.
Thank you all for your input!

Fred
(who is currently not riding because opera season is taking all his extra 
time)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-18 Thread masmojo
OK, I  just had a brain flash of what your problem could be! Since it's a 
single speed I assume you running a single speed chain!? Many SS chains use a 
master link, sometimes the master link can stick out slightly on one side, then 
if you also have a chain ring bash guard sometimes the master link can hit on 
the bash guard and make an annoying clicking sound. If that is the problem, 
simply remove the master link and put it in with the clip on the inside.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-18 Thread Patrick Moore
One even more arcane possibility, very unlikely but just in case, one which
I experienced just the other day: loose cleat or other metal bits on your
shoes. I installed an adaptor plate on my road Sidis, leaving the original
SPD attachments loose. On one shoe -- left, IIRC -- this sometimes moves
and clicks once per crank revolution, particularly when I am standing and
pulling back strongly on the pedal. I knew from the start what it was, so
the noise did not trouble me.

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Surlyprof
Last time I had this problem I thought the bottom bracket was going. 
 Talked to Riv and they suggested taking off the crank arms, cleaning them 
out and then applying grease (like Phil Wood grease) to the hole or taper 
before reinstalling.  Worked like a charm.  They also suggested that just 
cranking it down could cause damage if the crank is already out of 
alignment.  

John

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 4:57:30 AM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I could use the collective wisdom of the group...
>
> I have clicking sound that is driving me to distraction. It occurs on my 
> SimpleOne when I pedal. Sounds like one click per pedal rotation and it's 
> especially bad when I'm cranking down hard...as when I'm powering up a 
> hill. I'm pretty sure it's coming from the crank area. Two issues add to 
> the mystery:
>
> 1. Everything is new. Brand new Shimano UN55 bottom bracket and new Sugino 
> XD2 crankset/chainrings. While it was my first bottom bracket install, I 
> think everything went smoothly. Drive side threaded in almost all the way 
> by hand without a problem. Non-drive side was a bit tougher, and I needed a 
> wrench, but I attributed it to the anti-seize tape that they cover the 
> threads with on that side. Cranked everything down by hand with a big o' 
> wrench ala the Riv video and torqued the crank bolts to the proper specs. 
>
> 2. This has happened twice before. My previous commuter, an old Trek 
> converted to single speed had the same problem. Brand new Shimano UN55 
> installed by my LBS. Started clicking after 10 miles or so and never 
> stopped. And the previous BB/crank on the SimpleOne had the same noise, 
> albeit louder.
>
> Any suggestions? Has anyone run into a similar problem before? I'm fairly 
> new to fixed/ss. Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Bill in Roswell GA
I had a mystery click like that one time. Turned out to be the saddle 
clamp. It was one of those with two bolts, left and right. One bolt wasn't 
torqued quite right. Now I use a torque wrench on saddle bolts, too. 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 7:57:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I could use the collective wisdom of the group...
>
> I have clicking sound that is driving me to distraction. It occurs on my 
> SimpleOne when I pedal. Sounds like one click per pedal rotation and it's 
> especially bad when I'm cranking down hard...as when I'm powering up a 
> hill. I'm pretty sure it's coming from the crank area. Two issues add to 
> the mystery:
>
> 1. Everything is new. Brand new Shimano UN55 bottom bracket and new Sugino 
> XD2 crankset/chainrings. While it was my first bottom bracket install, I 
> think everything went smoothly. Drive side threaded in almost all the way 
> by hand without a problem. Non-drive side was a bit tougher, and I needed a 
> wrench, but I attributed it to the anti-seize tape that they cover the 
> threads with on that side. Cranked everything down by hand with a big o' 
> wrench ala the Riv video and torqued the crank bolts to the proper specs. 
>
> 2. This has happened twice before. My previous commuter, an old Trek 
> converted to single speed had the same problem. Brand new Shimano UN55 
> installed by my LBS. Started clicking after 10 miles or so and never 
> stopped. And the previous BB/crank on the SimpleOne had the same noise, 
> albeit louder.
>
> Any suggestions? Has anyone run into a similar problem before? I'm fairly 
> new to fixed/ss. Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread iamkeith

One more random possibility to add to the list, which has plagued me in the 
past.  Fits with the "one click per revolution" description:

If I understand correctly, you are using two chainrings.  Are there any 
rivets or screws on your largest ring?   If it has a pin on the outside, 
intended to keep chains that drop to the outside from wedging into the 
space behind the crank arm, it might be riveted or screwed in place.   Or 
perhaps there are some ramps riveted on to aid shifts, if it's not a 
single-speed specific ring?   

If your chainline isn't good, or if you're using a wider chain (like an 
8-speed chain on rings with 9-speed spacing between them), the reduced 
clearance could cause the chain to strike one of those rivets or pieces on 
the adjacent chainring.   Easy way to test is if it happens when chain on 
the smaller/middle chainring only.   Obviously you don't need those things 
on a Simple One, so you could remove them.  Or you could use a narrower 
chain, or refine the chainline... 

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Ryan Fleming
I wonder if it's  slop in your SS freewheel. When I had my PX-10 switched 
to SS I found the shimano SS freewheel was kinda sloppy and noisy with the 
clicking you described; tightening didn't seem to work. I got a WI ENO and 
voila...silent and silky smooth. Maybe that solution is a little expensive 
and drastic, though, but that's what finally worked for me

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 6:57:30 AM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I could use the collective wisdom of the group...
>
> I have clicking sound that is driving me to distraction. It occurs on my 
> SimpleOne when I pedal. Sounds like one click per pedal rotation and it's 
> especially bad when I'm cranking down hard...as when I'm powering up a 
> hill. I'm pretty sure it's coming from the crank area. Two issues add to 
> the mystery:
>
> 1. Everything is new. Brand new Shimano UN55 bottom bracket and new Sugino 
> XD2 crankset/chainrings. While it was my first bottom bracket install, I 
> think everything went smoothly. Drive side threaded in almost all the way 
> by hand without a problem. Non-drive side was a bit tougher, and I needed a 
> wrench, but I attributed it to the anti-seize tape that they cover the 
> threads with on that side. Cranked everything down by hand with a big o' 
> wrench ala the Riv video and torqued the crank bolts to the proper specs. 
>
> 2. This has happened twice before. My previous commuter, an old Trek 
> converted to single speed had the same problem. Brand new Shimano UN55 
> installed by my LBS. Started clicking after 10 miles or so and never 
> stopped. And the previous BB/crank on the SimpleOne had the same noise, 
> albeit louder.
>
> Any suggestions? Has anyone run into a similar problem before? I'm fairly 
> new to fixed/ss. Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Lungimsam
Go ahead and snug up all the bolts on the frame including any bottle cages. 
Loose bolts anywhere on the bike can cause a clicking noise. It is very hard to 
find where the sound is coming from.

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Eric Karnes
Thanks for all of your responses! Lot's of stuff to try. To answer Bill's 
questions:

1. If I had to categorize it, I would definitely describe it as more of a 
click.
2. Good question. I will have to ride it tonight to determine. But 
definitely not random.
3. Very good question. Most bike-related noises don't bother me that much 
as long as everything rides smooth-ish. I think this one does because (a) 
it's happened all the single speed setups I've owned; and (2) I'm worried I 
may have done damage while installing the bottom bracket (or that the 
threads were already damaged in some way).

Most everything related to the drivetrain is new...crank, chainrings, 
chainring bolts, bottom bracket, rear wheel, freewheel, and chain. But 
before pulling the crank/bottom bracket, I'll check (and if necessary 
re-grease) everything. The thing that baffles me is that there isn't a 
single shared part on this bike and the Trek that had the same sound. Well, 
except the rider.

I'll keep you updated on my sleuthing...

Eric

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 12:39:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> There are about a dozen things that can make noise when you pedal.  In my 
> opinion, the best approach is to change one thing at a time to narrow down 
> the list.  Also, on the front end, I have three questions.  Two are 
> objective and one is more of a personality-test question
>
> 1.  Is it a 'click' or a 'tick' or a 'pop' or a 'clunk' or a 'thunk'.  
> 2.  Does it happen when the driveside crank is at 12 oclock?  3 o'clock? 
>  9 o'clock?  Somewhere else?  Random?
> 3.  Does it drive you to distraction because it makes sound?  Or does it 
> drive you to distraction because you don't know why it makes sound?  Or 
> does it drive you to distraction because you believe the sound indicates 
> something is wrong?  
>
> The best general approach is to change one thing at a time.  Starting from 
> Patrick Moore's list, if it is coming from the seat and/or seatpost, then 
> you for sure would be incapable of making it click while standing.  Does it 
> click while pedalling out of the saddle?  If yes, it's not the seat or 
> seatpost.  If no, you have a great area to look.  Moving to Eric Norris' 
> suggestion, just swap the pedals.  Did it change?   If yes, it's the 
> pedals.  If no, scratch the pedals off the list.  
>
> etc etc
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 4:57:30 AM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>>
>> I could use the collective wisdom of the group...
>>
>> I have clicking sound that is driving me to distraction. It occurs on my 
>> SimpleOne when I pedal. Sounds like one click per pedal rotation and it's 
>> especially bad when I'm cranking down hard...as when I'm powering up a 
>> hill. I'm pretty sure it's coming from the crank area. Two issues add to 
>> the mystery:
>>
>> 1. Everything is new. Brand new Shimano UN55 bottom bracket and new 
>> Sugino XD2 crankset/chainrings. While it was my first bottom bracket 
>> install, I think everything went smoothly. Drive side threaded in almost 
>> all the way by hand without a problem. Non-drive side was a bit tougher, 
>> and I needed a wrench, but I attributed it to the anti-seize tape that they 
>> cover the threads with on that side. Cranked everything down by hand with a 
>> big o' wrench ala the Riv video and torqued the crank bolts to the proper 
>> specs. 
>>
>> 2. This has happened twice before. My previous commuter, an old Trek 
>> converted to single speed had the same problem. Brand new Shimano UN55 
>> installed by my LBS. Started clicking after 10 miles or so and never 
>> stopped. And the previous BB/crank on the SimpleOne had the same noise, 
>> albeit louder.
>>
>> Any suggestions? Has anyone run into a similar problem before? I'm fairly 
>> new to fixed/ss. Am I missing something?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
I had a simalar click recently from my rear wheel. I tried acof the above 
suggestions to no avail. It eventually went away when I replaced my chain and 
freewheel, despite that neither could logically have been the culprit since it 
clicked whether I was pedalling or not. Good luck.

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread masmojo
I am currently wrestling with a similar problem on my Atlantis and I agree it's 
a matter of working through possible culprits one at a time.
I changed several things, not specifically because of the clicking, but because 
the problem remained I was able to rule out cassette, saddle & seatpost. I was 
sure it was related to the chain ring bolts, but have eliminated that 
possibility! Pedals? It's a long shot, but worth a try! Spoke tension seems 
good, but again I'll keep an eye on it. Primary suspects now due to attrition 
are the bottom bracket or the VO hub/freehub. 

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
There are about a dozen things that can make noise when you pedal.  In my 
opinion, the best approach is to change one thing at a time to narrow down 
the list.  Also, on the front end, I have three questions.  Two are 
objective and one is more of a personality-test question

1.  Is it a 'click' or a 'tick' or a 'pop' or a 'clunk' or a 'thunk'.  
2.  Does it happen when the driveside crank is at 12 oclock?  3 o'clock?  9 
o'clock?  Somewhere else?  Random?
3.  Does it drive you to distraction because it makes sound?  Or does it 
drive you to distraction because you don't know why it makes sound?  Or 
does it drive you to distraction because you believe the sound indicates 
something is wrong?  

The best general approach is to change one thing at a time.  Starting from 
Patrick Moore's list, if it is coming from the seat and/or seatpost, then 
you for sure would be incapable of making it click while standing.  Does it 
click while pedalling out of the saddle?  If yes, it's not the seat or 
seatpost.  If no, you have a great area to look.  Moving to Eric Norris' 
suggestion, just swap the pedals.  Did it change?   If yes, it's the 
pedals.  If no, scratch the pedals off the list.  

etc etc

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 4:57:30 AM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I could use the collective wisdom of the group...
>
> I have clicking sound that is driving me to distraction. It occurs on my 
> SimpleOne when I pedal. Sounds like one click per pedal rotation and it's 
> especially bad when I'm cranking down hard...as when I'm powering up a 
> hill. I'm pretty sure it's coming from the crank area. Two issues add to 
> the mystery:
>
> 1. Everything is new. Brand new Shimano UN55 bottom bracket and new Sugino 
> XD2 crankset/chainrings. While it was my first bottom bracket install, I 
> think everything went smoothly. Drive side threaded in almost all the way 
> by hand without a problem. Non-drive side was a bit tougher, and I needed a 
> wrench, but I attributed it to the anti-seize tape that they cover the 
> threads with on that side. Cranked everything down by hand with a big o' 
> wrench ala the Riv video and torqued the crank bolts to the proper specs. 
>
> 2. This has happened twice before. My previous commuter, an old Trek 
> converted to single speed had the same problem. Brand new Shimano UN55 
> installed by my LBS. Started clicking after 10 miles or so and never 
> stopped. And the previous BB/crank on the SimpleOne had the same noise, 
> albeit louder.
>
> Any suggestions? Has anyone run into a similar problem before? I'm fairly 
> new to fixed/ss. Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Jeff Lesperance
I've dealt with this twice recently and the first had a standard, expected
source, the second was quite confounding - both had similar characteristics
as you described.

1. First, easy fix, turned out to be pedal bearings that I simply repacked
- no new bearings, just removed, cleaned and regreased.
2. Second one had me removing and reinstalling:
 - cranks
 - pedals
 - chainring
 - bottom bracket
 - saddle
all to no avail - finally, standing next to the bike I
pushed/pulled/shook/rocked and poked everything I could, and I seemed to be
able to reproduced a click by rocking the saddle back and forth with quite
a bit of pressure, though I reproduced the problem with multiple
saddles so I pulled the seatpost and re/over-lubed it and reinstalled
it and the clicking went away.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> FD cable end getting hit by crank arm at every revolution?
>
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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Lungimsam
FD cable end getting hit by crank arm at every revolution?

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread drew
when i had this problem, it was a couple chainring bolts that were not 
quite tight enough. 




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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Ryan Fleming
What pedals are you using...could be a matter of repacking them if you use 
MKS pedals

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 6:57:30 AM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I could use the collective wisdom of the group...
>
> I have clicking sound that is driving me to distraction. It occurs on my 
> SimpleOne when I pedal. Sounds like one click per pedal rotation and it's 
> especially bad when I'm cranking down hard...as when I'm powering up a 
> hill. I'm pretty sure it's coming from the crank area. Two issues add to 
> the mystery:
>
> 1. Everything is new. Brand new Shimano UN55 bottom bracket and new Sugino 
> XD2 crankset/chainrings. While it was my first bottom bracket install, I 
> think everything went smoothly. Drive side threaded in almost all the way 
> by hand without a problem. Non-drive side was a bit tougher, and I needed a 
> wrench, but I attributed it to the anti-seize tape that they cover the 
> threads with on that side. Cranked everything down by hand with a big o' 
> wrench ala the Riv video and torqued the crank bolts to the proper specs. 
>
> 2. This has happened twice before. My previous commuter, an old Trek 
> converted to single speed had the same problem. Brand new Shimano UN55 
> installed by my LBS. Started clicking after 10 miles or so and never 
> stopped. And the previous BB/crank on the SimpleOne had the same noise, 
> albeit louder.
>
> Any suggestions? Has anyone run into a similar problem before? I'm fairly 
> new to fixed/ss. Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
I had this issue and like you, it about drove me nuts!!   I think I 
disassembled and checked the crankset and bottom bracket a half dozen 
times.  Finally, in desperation, I took off the right pedal, greased it and 
put it back on and it was fixed.  If someone had offered me a million 
dollars to correctly identify where the sound was coming from, I would have 
insisted it came from the bottom bracket.  



On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 6:57:30 AM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I could use the collective wisdom of the group...
>
> I have clicking sound that is driving me to distraction. It occurs on my 
> SimpleOne when I pedal. Sounds like one click per pedal rotation and it's 
> especially bad when I'm cranking down hard...as when I'm powering up a 
> hill. I'm pretty sure it's coming from the crank area. Two issues add to 
> the mystery:
>
> 1. Everything is new. Brand new Shimano UN55 bottom bracket and new Sugino 
> XD2 crankset/chainrings. While it was my first bottom bracket install, I 
> think everything went smoothly. Drive side threaded in almost all the way 
> by hand without a problem. Non-drive side was a bit tougher, and I needed a 
> wrench, but I attributed it to the anti-seize tape that they cover the 
> threads with on that side. Cranked everything down by hand with a big o' 
> wrench ala the Riv video and torqued the crank bolts to the proper specs. 
>
> 2. This has happened twice before. My previous commuter, an old Trek 
> converted to single speed had the same problem. Brand new Shimano UN55 
> installed by my LBS. Started clicking after 10 miles or so and never 
> stopped. And the previous BB/crank on the SimpleOne had the same noise, 
> albeit louder.
>
> Any suggestions? Has anyone run into a similar problem before? I'm fairly 
> new to fixed/ss. Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Patrick Moore
Shoelaces in particular. Not too long ago I began to hear a clicking with
each crank revolution, and I thought, "Oh, no, something is finally going
wrong with the Phil bb (getting on for 11K miles, *and* with ti spindle and
aluminum cups). Nope: sloppy shoelace tying with long laces.

Longer ago, after much grief and anguish, I finally traced a troublesome
clicking to the stem clamp. My '03 Riv still clicks occasionally,
alternated with squeaks -- it's the saddle in the rails, I'm pretty sure,
but as it comes and goes, it doesn't last long enough for me to fret about
it enough to fix it.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Edwin W  wrote:

> My clicks like that have all been pedal bearing related... but you want to
> rule out shoelaces and pannier cords first!
>
>
> On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 6:57:30 AM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote:
>>
>> I could use the collective wisdom of the group...
>>
>> I have clicking sound that is driving me to distraction. It occurs on my
>> SimpleOne when I pedal. Sounds like one click per pedal rotation and it's
>> especially bad when I'm cranking down hard...as when I'm powering up a
>> hill. I'm pretty sure it's coming from the crank area. Two issues add to
>> the mystery:
>>
>> 1. Everything is new. Brand new Shimano UN55 bottom bracket and new
>> Sugino XD2 crankset/chainrings. While it was my first bottom bracket
>> install, I think everything went smoothly. Drive side threaded in almost
>> all the way by hand without a problem. Non-drive side was a bit tougher,
>> and I needed a wrench, but I attributed it to the anti-seize tape that they
>> cover the threads with on that side. Cranked everything down by hand with a
>> big o' wrench ala the Riv video and torqued the crank bolts to the proper
>> specs.
>>
>> 2. This has happened twice before. My previous commuter, an old Trek
>> converted to single speed had the same problem. Brand new Shimano UN55
>> installed by my LBS. Started clicking after 10 miles or so and never
>> stopped. And the previous BB/crank on the SimpleOne had the same noise,
>> albeit louder.
>>
>> Any suggestions? Has anyone run into a similar problem before? I'm fairly
>> new to fixed/ss. Am I missing something?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Eric
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clicking From Crank Area

2016-10-17 Thread Edwin W
My clicks like that have all been pedal bearing related... but you want to 
rule out shoelaces and pannier cords first!

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 6:57:30 AM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I could use the collective wisdom of the group...
>
> I have clicking sound that is driving me to distraction. It occurs on my 
> SimpleOne when I pedal. Sounds like one click per pedal rotation and it's 
> especially bad when I'm cranking down hard...as when I'm powering up a 
> hill. I'm pretty sure it's coming from the crank area. Two issues add to 
> the mystery:
>
> 1. Everything is new. Brand new Shimano UN55 bottom bracket and new Sugino 
> XD2 crankset/chainrings. While it was my first bottom bracket install, I 
> think everything went smoothly. Drive side threaded in almost all the way 
> by hand without a problem. Non-drive side was a bit tougher, and I needed a 
> wrench, but I attributed it to the anti-seize tape that they cover the 
> threads with on that side. Cranked everything down by hand with a big o' 
> wrench ala the Riv video and torqued the crank bolts to the proper specs. 
>
> 2. This has happened twice before. My previous commuter, an old Trek 
> converted to single speed had the same problem. Brand new Shimano UN55 
> installed by my LBS. Started clicking after 10 miles or so and never 
> stopped. And the previous BB/crank on the SimpleOne had the same noise, 
> albeit louder.
>
> Any suggestions? Has anyone run into a similar problem before? I'm fairly 
> new to fixed/ss. Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>

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