[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-23 Thread palincss

Quoting jonat...@jonfipro.com:

>
> I had never heard that, but it definitely confirms my opinion that I
> should switch from an 9 to an 8 in the back with a low gear at 11.
> Maybe 11-28?  Or will those jumps feel to big after my 9-27?  I feel
> like not since I ten to shift through two or three gears at once
> rather than work my way up.  More like I'm just looking for the right
> gear for the situation:  busy city streets, down hill part of a loop
> etc.

There's no need whatever to speculate.  Plot your existing gearing on  
Sheldon's gear calculator, then select a proposed new cassette, and  
plot that.  Compare the two.




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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-23 Thread jonathan

I had never heard that, but it definitely confirms my opinion that I
should switch from an 9 to an 8 in the back with a low gear at 11.
Maybe 11-28?  Or will those jumps feel to big after my 9-27?  I feel
like not since I ten to shift through two or three gears at once
rather than work my way up.  More like I'm just looking for the right
gear for the situation:  busy city streets, down hill part of a loop
etc.

On Apr 23, 1:57 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 4/22/09 7:49 PM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:14 PM,   wrote:
> >> I've been thinking of switching too.  I find that in nyc I'm always on
> >> my large chainring and would like a higher gear for the down hills
> >> around the park.  I currently have a 12-27 9 and would like to switch
> >> to an 11-something, but am not what.  11-28?  Any suggestions?
>
> > why not replace your large chainring?
>
> You gain about 5% in gear inches with each 2-tooth increase in chainrings,
> and about 8/9% when you go from 12 to 11 at the rear sprocket.
>
> - Jim "spent way too many hours playing with Sheldon's Gear
> Calculator..."
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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-22 Thread CycloFiend

on 4/22/09 7:49 PM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:14 PM,   wrote:
>> I've been thinking of switching too.  I find that in nyc I'm always on
>> my large chainring and would like a higher gear for the down hills
>> around the park.  I currently have a 12-27 9 and would like to switch
>> to an 11-something, but am not what.  11-28?  Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> why not replace your large chainring?

You gain about 5% in gear inches with each 2-tooth increase in chainrings,
and about 8/9% when you go from 12 to 11 at the rear sprocket.

- Jim "spent way too many hours playing with Sheldon's Gear
Calculator..."

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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-22 Thread Seth Vidal

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:14 PM,   wrote:
>
> I've been thinking of switching too.  I find that in nyc I'm always on
> my large chainring and would like a higher gear for the down hills
> around the park.  I currently have a 12-27 9 and would like to switch
> to an 11-something, but am not what.  11-28?  Any suggestions?


why not replace your large chainring?

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-22 Thread jonathan

I've been thinking of switching too.  I find that in nyc I'm always on
my large chainring and would like a higher gear for the down hills
around the park.  I currently have a 12-27 9 and would like to switch
to an 11-something, but am not what.  11-28?  Any suggestions?

On Apr 22, 8:20 pm, Mojo  wrote:
> What did Grant say? I paraphrase, Seven is heaven, eight is great,
> nine is fine, 10 is a little over the top don't you think?
>
> On Apr 22, 2:49 pm, avillage  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Zack, I agree with your change to an 8. I have a 9 with Silver
> > Shifters (I don't think the shifters make a difference) and I will
> > likely go to 8. The range is too tight and I find that I overshift...I
> > simply don't need a nine. My experience is that 8 with friction shift
> > works great.
>
> > Jeff
>
> > On Apr 21, 9:13 pm, Zack  wrote:
>
> > > Thank you all for your help.  I did attempt to do some searching
> > > before posting this, just FYI for you guys, but I was having a hard
> > > time finding anything discussing how to change from 10 TO 9.
>
> > > I am going to swap my 10 speed cassette for an 8 and go for it.
>
> > > -Zack
>
> > > On Apr 21, 12:01 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> > > > Zack: before if fixie-d it, my last Riv had a 10 sp cassette very nicely
> > > > shifted with a Retrofriction dt shifter. It shifted better with 10 than 
> > > > the
> > > > 8 that I tried.
>
> > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Zack  wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi All:
>
> > > > > I am currently re-evaluating the shifting setup i have on my bike.  I
> > > > > have STI shimano 105 shifters, and a 10 speed casette.
>
> > > > > I would like to begin using friction shifters, and asked at my LBS
> > > > > about this, and they explained that friction shifting does not work
> > > > > well with the 10 speed setup.
>
> > > > > I want to move to bar-ends no matter what, as the STI's just don't
> > > > > really suit me, and they suggested indexed bar ends.
>
> > > > > Is converting the 10 speed to 9 speed as easy as swapping out the
> > > > > casette?
>
> > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> > > > > Thanks!
>
> > > > > -Zack
>
> > > > --
> > > > Patrick Moore
> > > > Albuquerque, NM
> > > > Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted 
> > > > text -
>
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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-22 Thread Mojo

What did Grant say? I paraphrase, Seven is heaven, eight is great,
nine is fine, 10 is a little over the top don't you think?

On Apr 22, 2:49 pm, avillage  wrote:
> Zack, I agree with your change to an 8. I have a 9 with Silver
> Shifters (I don't think the shifters make a difference) and I will
> likely go to 8. The range is too tight and I find that I overshift...I
> simply don't need a nine. My experience is that 8 with friction shift
> works great.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Apr 21, 9:13 pm, Zack  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thank you all for your help.  I did attempt to do some searching
> > before posting this, just FYI for you guys, but I was having a hard
> > time finding anything discussing how to change from 10 TO 9.
>
> > I am going to swap my 10 speed cassette for an 8 and go for it.
>
> > -Zack
>
> > On Apr 21, 12:01 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> > > Zack: before if fixie-d it, my last Riv had a 10 sp cassette very nicely
> > > shifted with a Retrofriction dt shifter. It shifted better with 10 than 
> > > the
> > > 8 that I tried.
>
> > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Zack  wrote:
>
> > > > Hi All:
>
> > > > I am currently re-evaluating the shifting setup i have on my bike.  I
> > > > have STI shimano 105 shifters, and a 10 speed casette.
>
> > > > I would like to begin using friction shifters, and asked at my LBS
> > > > about this, and they explained that friction shifting does not work
> > > > well with the 10 speed setup.
>
> > > > I want to move to bar-ends no matter what, as the STI's just don't
> > > > really suit me, and they suggested indexed bar ends.
>
> > > > Is converting the 10 speed to 9 speed as easy as swapping out the
> > > > casette?
>
> > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> > > > Thanks!
>
> > > > -Zack
>
> > > --
> > > Patrick Moore
> > > Albuquerque, NM
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> > > text -
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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-22 Thread avillage

Zack, I agree with your change to an 8. I have a 9 with Silver
Shifters (I don't think the shifters make a difference) and I will
likely go to 8. The range is too tight and I find that I overshift...I
simply don't need a nine. My experience is that 8 with friction shift
works great.

Jeff

On Apr 21, 9:13 pm, Zack  wrote:
> Thank you all for your help.  I did attempt to do some searching
> before posting this, just FYI for you guys, but I was having a hard
> time finding anything discussing how to change from 10 TO 9.
>
> I am going to swap my 10 speed cassette for an 8 and go for it.
>
> -Zack
>
> On Apr 21, 12:01 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> > Zack: before if fixie-d it, my last Riv had a 10 sp cassette very nicely
> > shifted with a Retrofriction dt shifter. It shifted better with 10 than the
> > 8 that I tried.
>
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Zack  wrote:
>
> > > Hi All:
>
> > > I am currently re-evaluating the shifting setup i have on my bike.  I
> > > have STI shimano 105 shifters, and a 10 speed casette.
>
> > > I would like to begin using friction shifters, and asked at my LBS
> > > about this, and they explained that friction shifting does not work
> > > well with the 10 speed setup.
>
> > > I want to move to bar-ends no matter what, as the STI's just don't
> > > really suit me, and they suggested indexed bar ends.
>
> > > Is converting the 10 speed to 9 speed as easy as swapping out the
> > > casette?
>
> > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> > > Thanks!
>
> > > -Zack
>
> > --
> > Patrick Moore
> > Albuquerque, NM
> > Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com
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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-21 Thread Zack

Thank you all for your help.  I did attempt to do some searching
before posting this, just FYI for you guys, but I was having a hard
time finding anything discussing how to change from 10 TO 9.

I am going to swap my 10 speed cassette for an 8 and go for it.

-Zack

On Apr 21, 12:01 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Zack: before if fixie-d it, my last Riv had a 10 sp cassette very nicely
> shifted with a Retrofriction dt shifter. It shifted better with 10 than the
> 8 that I tried.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Zack  wrote:
>
> > Hi All:
>
> > I am currently re-evaluating the shifting setup i have on my bike.  I
> > have STI shimano 105 shifters, and a 10 speed casette.
>
> > I would like to begin using friction shifters, and asked at my LBS
> > about this, and they explained that friction shifting does not work
> > well with the 10 speed setup.
>
> > I want to move to bar-ends no matter what, as the STI's just don't
> > really suit me, and they suggested indexed bar ends.
>
> > Is converting the 10 speed to 9 speed as easy as swapping out the
> > casette?
>
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > -Zack
>
> --
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> Albuquerque, NM
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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Zack: before if fixie-d it, my last Riv had a 10 sp cassette very nicely
shifted with a Retrofriction dt shifter. It shifted better with 10 than the
8 that I tried.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Zack  wrote:

>
> Hi All:
>
> I am currently re-evaluating the shifting setup i have on my bike.  I
> have STI shimano 105 shifters, and a 10 speed casette.
>
> I would like to begin using friction shifters, and asked at my LBS
> about this, and they explained that friction shifting does not work
> well with the 10 speed setup.
>
> I want to move to bar-ends no matter what, as the STI's just don't
> really suit me, and they suggested indexed bar ends.
>
> Is converting the 10 speed to 9 speed as easy as swapping out the
> casette?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Zack
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-21 Thread Darren Stone

Zack, I agree with Jim.  8 sp is great.  And you don't have to lose
any gear range compared to 9 sp...  I run 12-32 on an XT 8 sp cassette
with Ultegra bar end shifters on Thumbies (on the bar tops).  Shifts
extremely well with friction; lower effort and nearly silent.  (When I
keep the chain clean and lubed.)  If a little friction trim is
necessary after my initial "shift" then the controls on the bar tops
make it really easy (usually just a nudge with the side of my right
hand/thumb/index finger does it).

I have some Silver Shifters but haven't decided if/where I'll install
them yet.  I bet the SS will be more enjoyable in some tactile way but
I'm quite happy with the Shimanos right now.

-Darren.

On Apr 20, 9:30 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> Yes, it's that easy. Better yet, go to 8sp, which works better than
> 9sp with friction.
> Jim Thill
> Minneapolis, MN
>
> On Apr 20, 9:07 pm, Zack  wrote:
>
> > Hi All:
>
> > I am currently re-evaluating the shifting setup i have on my bike.  I
> > have STI shimano 105 shifters, and a 10 speed casette.
>
> > I would like to begin using friction shifters, and asked at my LBS
> > about this, and they explained that friction shifting does not work
> > well with the 10 speed setup.
>
> > I want to move to bar-ends no matter what, as the STI's just don't
> > really suit me, and they suggested indexed bar ends.
>
> > Is converting the 10 speed to 9 speed as easy as swapping out the
> > casette?
>
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > -Zack
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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-21 Thread Richard

If you don't want to search this group's archives, the Bicycle
Lifestyle Google Group hosted by Peter White Cycles has some
information that might also help you out.

On Apr 20, 9:07 pm, Zack  wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I am currently re-evaluating the shifting setup i have on my bike.  I
> have STI shimano 105 shifters, and a 10 speed casette.
>
> I would like to begin using friction shifters, and asked at my LBS
> about this, and they explained that friction shifting does not work
> well with the 10 speed setup.
>
> I want to move to bar-ends no matter what, as the STI's just don't
> really suit me, and they suggested indexed bar ends.
>
> Is converting the 10 speed to 9 speed as easy as swapping out the
> casette?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Zack
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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-21 Thread Mike

Go with Jim T's or Steve's suggestion. Both my Rivs have 8 speed
cassettes (SRAM work best) and Silver shifters (DT and BE) and they
work great. The BE shifters are exceptionally pleasant to operate.

--mike "who will soon be heading out for an epic ride on his Hilsen on
an exceptionally sunny and hot day in Portland, OR" j.

On Apr 21, 4:36 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 21:43 -0700, CycloFiend wrote:
>
> > Actually, you could swap between 10, 9 and 8 without much fuss at all.  They
> > are all on the same freehub. Just swap cassettes, check your chain length
> > and watch your limit stops on the derailleur.
>
> Same is true for 7; just add a spacer behind the largest sprocket.  The
> last 2 I bought had the spacer in the box along with the cassette.
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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-21 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 21:43 -0700, CycloFiend wrote:

> 
> Actually, you could swap between 10, 9 and 8 without much fuss at all.  They
> are all on the same freehub. Just swap cassettes, check your chain length
> and watch your limit stops on the derailleur.

Same is true for 7; just add a spacer behind the largest sprocket.  The
last 2 I bought had the spacer in the box along with the cassette.






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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-20 Thread CycloFiend

on 4/20/09 7:07 PM, Zack at zack...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am currently re-evaluating the shifting setup i have on my bike.  I
> have STI shimano 105 shifters, and a 10 speed casette.
> 
> I would like to begin using friction shifters, and asked at my LBS
> about this, and they explained that friction shifting does not work
> well with the 10 speed setup.
> 
> I want to move to bar-ends no matter what, as the STI's just don't
> really suit me, and they suggested indexed bar ends.
> 
> Is converting the 10 speed to 9 speed as easy as swapping out the
> casette?
> 

Actually, you could swap between 10, 9 and 8 without much fuss at all.  They
are all on the same freehub. Just swap cassettes, check your chain length
and watch your limit stops on the derailleur.

You might check the archive, 'cuz we were just talking about various tricks
to make that work. 

These things help me:
Most of the newer cassettes are designed to shift, and the newer derailleurs
have floating upper pulleys, which are designed to help. If the last
friction shifting you did was with older, straight-toothed sprockets, you'll
find that rather than overshifting and trimming, doesn't work as effectively
as teasing it into gear.

- Jim


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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

Yes, it's that easy. Better yet, go to 8sp, which works better than
9sp with friction.
Jim Thill
Minneapolis, MN

On Apr 20, 9:07 pm, Zack  wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I am currently re-evaluating the shifting setup i have on my bike.  I
> have STI shimano 105 shifters, and a 10 speed casette.
>
> I would like to begin using friction shifters, and asked at my LBS
> about this, and they explained that friction shifting does not work
> well with the 10 speed setup.
>
> I want to move to bar-ends no matter what, as the STI's just don't
> really suit me, and they suggested indexed bar ends.
>
> Is converting the 10 speed to 9 speed as easy as swapping out the
> casette?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Zack
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[RBW] Re: Convert 10 speed to 9 speed? (Silver Bar End Shifter Content)

2009-04-20 Thread James Warren

Try the friction, and if it doesn't work, get Shimano 10-speed 
bar-enders. I think the friction's worth a try if you're using bar-end 
shifters. I remember being told that 9 wouldn't work in friction, but 
with bar-ends I was fine.

If you have to sell the Silvers, you could probably do it on this list.

-James

On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:07 PM, Zack wrote:

>
> Hi All:
>
> I am currently re-evaluating the shifting setup i have on my bike.  I
> have STI shimano 105 shifters, and a 10 speed casette.
>
> I would like to begin using friction shifters, and asked at my LBS
> about this, and they explained that friction shifting does not work
> well with the 10 speed setup.
>
> I want to move to bar-ends no matter what, as the STI's just don't
> really suit me, and they suggested indexed bar ends.
>
> Is converting the 10 speed to 9 speed as easy as swapping out the
> casette?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Zack
>
> >


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