[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2024-05-17 Thread Jonas
The design decision for the straight top tube unfortunately killed my 
interest in the frame. What a pity (for me)…

On Saturday 9 September 2023 at 20:37:51 UTC+2 iamkeith wrote:

> Veering ever-so-slightly off topic, and apologies to those who don't have 
> facebook, but check out the bike in this video:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1148753762570679?mibextid=9drbnH
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-09 Thread iamkeith
Veering ever-so-slightly off topic, and apologies to those who don't have 
facebook, but check out the bike in this video:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1148753762570679?mibextid=9drbnH


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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-07 Thread Mackenzy Albright
Reminds me of the Jack Taylor Rough Stuff. I think the calipers vs 
cantilever is more of the shame than losing the swoopy tube. Overall a good 
lookin bike. 

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:54:47 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> .. does that mean the weight limit on those is going to be even lighter 
> than before? Do you need to be a 150 lb rider to ride one now? I 
> specifically chose the Gus because of all the discussions around the 
> purported weight limits they placed on the 
>
>
>
> Ok..  what I'm wondering *now*, is if there will still be a Gus too, 
> after all.  I may have not followed closely enough and don't want to go 
> back and search old info, but I thought the reason that we all assumed the 
> Gus and Susie were merging into a single model was because a blug blurb 
> said something about a "hybrid."   But could that have meant a hybrid in 
> terms of lugs PLUS fillet welds? That's what these samples appear to be. 
>
> Regarding weight limits, it seems that - with a couple of notable 
> exceptions discussed in the group - the original Susie was alot stronger 
> than anticipated.  So I wouldn't fret too much if you're considering 
> getting one.  I'm a big guy myself, and certainly have no qualms riding my 
> own Susie in rough conditions. It doesn't flex nearly as much as other 
> bikes I own.   
>
> I kind of thought the biggest difference between the gus's and susie's 
> relative frame stregths came from their tubing diameters - especially the 
> downtube, but including the headtube.   Maybe they could just thicken guage 
> of  the smaller-diameter tubing if they wanted to make the susie stronger?  
> Or make thin the gauge of the gus if they wanted to make it lighter?   But 
> the later would require new lugs and we know Grant doesn't like thin, 
> easily-dented tubing.
>
> The oddest thing about not having a Gus Boots Willsen model is going to be 
> explaining to people where Susie W Longbolts and Wolbis Slugstone derived 
> from.
>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-06 Thread iamkeith


On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:54:47 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

.. does that mean the weight limit on those is going to be even lighter 
than before? Do you need to be a 150 lb rider to ride one now? I 
specifically chose the Gus because of all the discussions around the 
purported weight limits they placed on the 



Ok..  what I'm wondering *now*, is if there will still be a Gus too, after 
all.  I may have not followed closely enough and don't want to go back and 
search old info, but I thought the reason that we all assumed the Gus and 
Susie were merging into a single model was because a blug blurb said 
something about a "hybrid."   But could that have meant a hybrid in terms 
of lugs PLUS fillet welds? That's what these samples appear to be. 

Regarding weight limits, it seems that - with a couple of notable 
exceptions discussed in the group - the original Susie was alot stronger 
than anticipated.  So I wouldn't fret too much if you're considering 
getting one.  I'm a big guy myself, and certainly have no qualms riding my 
own Susie in rough conditions. It doesn't flex nearly as much as other 
bikes I own.   

I kind of thought the biggest difference between the gus's and susie's 
relative frame stregths came from their tubing diameters - especially the 
downtube, but including the headtube.   Maybe they could just thicken guage 
of  the smaller-diameter tubing if they wanted to make the susie stronger?  
Or make thin the gauge of the gus if they wanted to make it lighter?   But 
the later would require new lugs and we know Grant doesn't like thin, 
easily-dented tubing.

The oddest thing about not having a Gus Boots Willsen model is going to be 
explaining to people where Susie W Longbolts and Wolbis Slugstone derived 
from.

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-06 Thread iamkeith


On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:59:07 AM UTC-6 Justin Kennedy wrote:



The two bikes hanging behind Will in the pic are the lugged Susie/Gus 
hybrids. The swoop tube stays. 


I was just reading this thread on a full computer screen, instead of my 
phone, for the first time and noticed the unique colors on those frames.  
Hadn't even considered the frame details, but you're right!  Good eye. 

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-06 Thread Brian Turner
I do like the addition of the headtube lugs though!

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> If those are the Susie/Gus hybrids, then they look just like well... like 
> the same old Susies. I guess that's a good thing. He mentioned a lighter 
> tube spec Susie not passing the MTB ISO tests. Geez, does that mean the 
> weight limit on those is going to be even lighter than before? Do you need 
> to be a 150 lb rider to ride one now? I specifically chose the Gus because 
> of all the discussions around the purported weight limits they placed on 
> the Susie frames.
>
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:41:26 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Great eyes! I missed that. I believe they will stay because I don't think 
>> it would make sense to change the design that people seem to like BUT its 
>> also important to note that the Gallop went through two prototype stages 
>> with the swoop tube before changing. So a prototype doesn't matter until 
>> Grant says it does. :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:59:07 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> .."What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus 
>>> hybrid will go the same way."
>>>
>>> The two bikes hanging behind Will in the pic are the lugged Susie/Gus 
>>> hybrids. The swoop tube stays. 
>>>
>>> [image: 370362249_683295397169028_2329456213564681462_n.jpg]
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:45:41 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>>

 I like it too.  Interesting evolution.  I like the fact that Riv shares 
 it with us, even if it occasionally means that you get attached to 
 something that won't happen.   I imagine this helps keep the lug 
 manufacturer busy and committed.  Plus, VO sort of stole some thunder when 
 they knocked off the original charlie prototype as the low-kicker.  This 
 is 
 more true to their signature - although, yes, I see Joe's influence.

 What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus hybrid will go the 
 same way.
 On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I prefer a full low mixte or the swoopy hillybike style to a higher 
> angle but Rivendell doesn't do anything I would consider unpleasing to 
> the 
> eye. I will need to see full geometry but it seems like this is just a 
> Platy with a slightly higher top tube. I doubt the tube set is different 
> so 
> weight would be similar (just trying to think of roady considerations) 
> Actually its probably closer to a Cheviot.
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> guess so
>> I think it looks so much better this way personally 
>>
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-26 at 12.04.33 PM.png]
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:01:25 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting!  I wonder if they've pivoted on what the Charlie is 
>>> going to be.  Going lugged at the head tube, like the new Gus batch, is 
>>> great but losing the swoop tube would be a real shame (no offence Joe!  
>>> Your custom pulls it off better than this Charlie IMO).  I would love 
>>> to 
>>> see it just be a roadish version of the new Gus! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:59:19 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Right?? 

 [image: Screenshot_20230823_095848.jpg]

 On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:56:23 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what 
>> the decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie 
>>> with a straight top tube at RivHQ:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a 
>>> post from a video in IG.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-06 Thread Brian Turner
If those are the Susie/Gus hybrids, then they look just like well... like 
the same old Susies. I guess that's a good thing. He mentioned a lighter 
tube spec Susie not passing the MTB ISO tests. Geez, does that mean the 
weight limit on those is going to be even lighter than before? Do you need 
to be a 150 lb rider to ride one now? I specifically chose the Gus because 
of all the discussions around the purported weight limits they placed on 
the Susie frames.

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:41:26 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Great eyes! I missed that. I believe they will stay because I don't think 
> it would make sense to change the design that people seem to like BUT its 
> also important to note that the Gallop went through two prototype stages 
> with the swoop tube before changing. So a prototype doesn't matter until 
> Grant says it does. :)
>
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:59:07 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> .."What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus 
>> hybrid will go the same way."
>>
>> The two bikes hanging behind Will in the pic are the lugged Susie/Gus 
>> hybrids. The swoop tube stays. 
>>
>> [image: 370362249_683295397169028_2329456213564681462_n.jpg]
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:45:41 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I like it too.  Interesting evolution.  I like the fact that Riv shares 
>>> it with us, even if it occasionally means that you get attached to 
>>> something that won't happen.   I imagine this helps keep the lug 
>>> manufacturer busy and committed.  Plus, VO sort of stole some thunder when 
>>> they knocked off the original charlie prototype as the low-kicker.  This is 
>>> more true to their signature - although, yes, I see Joe's influence.
>>>
>>> What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus hybrid will go the 
>>> same way.
>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I prefer a full low mixte or the swoopy hillybike style to a higher 
 angle but Rivendell doesn't do anything I would consider unpleasing to the 
 eye. I will need to see full geometry but it seems like this is just a 
 Platy with a slightly higher top tube. I doubt the tube set is different 
 so 
 weight would be similar (just trying to think of roady considerations) 
 Actually its probably closer to a Cheviot.

 On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> guess so
> I think it looks so much better this way personally 
>
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-26 at 12.04.33 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:01:25 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Interesting!  I wonder if they've pivoted on what the Charlie is 
>> going to be.  Going lugged at the head tube, like the new Gus batch, is 
>> great but losing the swoop tube would be a real shame (no offence Joe!  
>> Your custom pulls it off better than this Charlie IMO).  I would love to 
>> see it just be a roadish version of the new Gus! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:59:19 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Right?? 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230823_095848.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:56:23 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what 
> the decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie 
>> with a straight top tube at RivHQ:
>>
>> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>>
>> Max
>>
>> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a 
>> post from a video in IG.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-06 Thread Max Faingezicht
yeah amazing, I also missed the hanging frames.About the Gallop, am I misunderstanding or is the blue lug note saying that this prototype won’t be released, meaning the straight tube prototype won’t be released. Maybe the swoop tube is the final design?MaxOn Sep 6, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:Great eyes! I missed that. I believe they will stay because I don't think it would make sense to change the design that people seem to like BUT its also important to note that the Gallop went through two prototype stages with the swoop tube before changing. So a prototype doesn't matter until Grant says it does. :)On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:59:07 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:.."What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus hybrid will go the same way."The two bikes hanging behind Will in the pic are the lugged Susie/Gus hybrids. The swoop tube stays. On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:45:41 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:I like it too.  Interesting evolution.  I like the fact that Riv shares it with us, even if it occasionally means that you get attached to something that won't happen.   I imagine this helps keep the lug manufacturer busy and committed.  Plus, VO sort of stole some thunder when they knocked off the original charlie prototype as the low-kicker.  This is more true to their signature - although, yes, I see Joe's influence.What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus hybrid will go the same way.On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:I prefer a full low mixte or the swoopy hillybike style to a higher angle but Rivendell doesn't do anything I would consider unpleasing to the eye. I will need to see full geometry but it seems like this is just a Platy with a slightly higher top tube. I doubt the tube set is different so weight would be similar (just trying to think of roady considerations) Actually its probably closer to a Cheviot.On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:guess soI think it looks so much better this way personally On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:01:25 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:Interesting!  I wonder if they've pivoted on what the Charlie is going to be.  Going lugged at the head tube, like the new Gus batch, is great but losing the swoop tube would be a real shame (no offence Joe!  Your custom pulls it off better than this Charlie IMO).  I would love to see it just be a roadish version of the new Gus! On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:59:19 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:Right?? On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:56:23 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.LaingOn Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the decal says, that can't be a Gallop.On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a straight top tube at RivHQ:MaxPS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post from a video in IG.



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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-06 Thread Johnny Alien
Great eyes! I missed that. I believe they will stay because I don't think 
it would make sense to change the design that people seem to like BUT its 
also important to note that the Gallop went through two prototype stages 
with the swoop tube before changing. So a prototype doesn't matter until 
Grant says it does. :)

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:59:07 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> .."What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus 
> hybrid will go the same way."
>
> The two bikes hanging behind Will in the pic are the lugged Susie/Gus 
> hybrids. The swoop tube stays. 
>
> [image: 370362249_683295397169028_2329456213564681462_n.jpg]
> 
>
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:45:41 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> I like it too.  Interesting evolution.  I like the fact that Riv shares 
>> it with us, even if it occasionally means that you get attached to 
>> something that won't happen.   I imagine this helps keep the lug 
>> manufacturer busy and committed.  Plus, VO sort of stole some thunder when 
>> they knocked off the original charlie prototype as the low-kicker.  This is 
>> more true to their signature - although, yes, I see Joe's influence.
>>
>> What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus hybrid will go the 
>> same way.
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer a full low mixte or the swoopy hillybike style to a higher 
>>> angle but Rivendell doesn't do anything I would consider unpleasing to the 
>>> eye. I will need to see full geometry but it seems like this is just a 
>>> Platy with a slightly higher top tube. I doubt the tube set is different so 
>>> weight would be similar (just trying to think of roady considerations) 
>>> Actually its probably closer to a Cheviot.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>>>
 guess so
 I think it looks so much better this way personally 


 [image: Screenshot 2023-08-26 at 12.04.33 PM.png]

 On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:01:25 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Interesting!  I wonder if they've pivoted on what the Charlie is going 
> to be.  Going lugged at the head tube, like the new Gus batch, is great 
> but 
> losing the swoop tube would be a real shame (no offence Joe!  Your custom 
> pulls it off better than this Charlie IMO).  I would love to see it just 
> be 
> a roadish version of the new Gus! 
>
> On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:59:19 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Right?? 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20230823_095848.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:56:23 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what 
 the decal says, that can't be a Gallop.

 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie 
> with a straight top tube at RivHQ:
>
> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>
> Max
>
> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a 
> post from a video in IG.
>


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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-06 Thread Justin Kennedy
.."What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus 
hybrid will go the same way."

The two bikes hanging behind Will in the pic are the lugged Susie/Gus 
hybrids. The swoop tube stays. 

[image: 370362249_683295397169028_2329456213564681462_n.jpg]



On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:45:41 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I like it too.  Interesting evolution.  I like the fact that Riv shares it 
> with us, even if it occasionally means that you get attached to something 
> that won't happen.   I imagine this helps keep the lug manufacturer busy 
> and committed.  Plus, VO sort of stole some thunder when they knocked off 
> the original charlie prototype as the low-kicker.  This is more true to 
> their signature - although, yes, I see Joe's influence.
>
> What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus hybrid will go the same 
> way.
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I prefer a full low mixte or the swoopy hillybike style to a higher angle 
>> but Rivendell doesn't do anything I would consider unpleasing to the eye. I 
>> will need to see full geometry but it seems like this is just a Platy with 
>> a slightly higher top tube. I doubt the tube set is different so weight 
>> would be similar (just trying to think of roady considerations) Actually 
>> its probably closer to a Cheviot.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> guess so
>>> I think it looks so much better this way personally 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-26 at 12.04.33 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:01:25 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Interesting!  I wonder if they've pivoted on what the Charlie is going 
 to be.  Going lugged at the head tube, like the new Gus batch, is great 
 but 
 losing the swoop tube would be a real shame (no offence Joe!  Your custom 
 pulls it off better than this Charlie IMO).  I would love to see it just 
 be 
 a roadish version of the new Gus! 

 On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:59:19 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Right?? 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20230823_095848.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:56:23 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what 
>>> the decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie 
 with a straight top tube at RivHQ:

 [image: IMG_1965.jpg]

 [image: IMG_1966.jpg]

 Max

 PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a 
 post from a video in IG.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-06 Thread Camden Powell
A poster of that sort, but with Rivendell models, is such a cool idea. If 
it doesn't yet exist, I might give it a shot this winter...

El martes, 5 de septiembre de 2023 a la(s) 1:07:20 p. m. UTC-5, Matti 
escribió:

> Since this thread discusses a couple Rivendell frame designs (and their 
> similarities and differences), has anyone made a graphic representation of 
> showing each model in a large side-by-side display?  Like this: [image: 
> Screenshot 2023-09-05 at 10.51.39 AM.png]
> It might be pretty complicated to do, but it might make a great poster.
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 8:58:31 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I don't hate the new look but I think the swoop looked better. This to me 
>> is like a cross between a Cheviot and maybe the Rosco Platy. It has less of 
>> a reason to exist than the previous Gallop or the outgoing Roadini. I 
>> prefer the look of a traditional mixte vs this slightly higher bar. I also 
>> am a bit confused about designing it for sweptbacks and sizing up (both 
>> with greater reach) and then pushing it with drop bars/albastache. I don't 
>> like sizing up for a road bike. BUT I might be confused as to what the 
>> target is now. Odd that Blue Lug says its not coming out but obviously 
>> Grant made it sound like it was in his blog.
>>
>> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:16:48 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I may be in the minority, but I think that Charlie H. Gallop above looks 
>>> better than the Platypus. Just something about the lines of the frame that 
>>> I prefer. I think the platypus is a good looking bike just not something 
>>> that I'd be wild about. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 11:40:25 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screenshot 2023-09-04 at 11.32.59 AM.png]
 Johnny's pic is from the Blue Lug instagram, post is here: 
 https://www.instagram.com/p/CwwQz8VSDYO

 The above caption is from the same post, FWIW. 

 I am curious about the barrel-shaped handlebar bag on Grant's Platypus. 
 Could this be the new handlebar bag he mentioned in a recent post? He 
 mentioned in the Aug 25, 2023 blog-in-lieu-of-email that a new handlebar 
 bag is coming: 
 https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/email-update-august-25-by-grant-b-c-will-isnt-here
  

 [image: Screenshot 2023-09-04 at 11.33.34 AM.png]

 [image: Screenshot 2023-09-04 at 11.39.31 AM.png]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-05 Thread Johnny Alien
I don't hate the new look but I think the swoop looked better. This to me 
is like a cross between a Cheviot and maybe the Rosco Platy. It has less of 
a reason to exist than the previous Gallop or the outgoing Roadini. I 
prefer the look of a traditional mixte vs this slightly higher bar. I also 
am a bit confused about designing it for sweptbacks and sizing up (both 
with greater reach) and then pushing it with drop bars/albastache. I don't 
like sizing up for a road bike. BUT I might be confused as to what the 
target is now. Odd that Blue Lug says its not coming out but obviously 
Grant made it sound like it was in his blog.

On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:16:48 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I may be in the minority, but I think that Charlie H. Gallop above looks 
> better than the Platypus. Just something about the lines of the frame that 
> I prefer. I think the platypus is a good looking bike just not something 
> that I'd be wild about. 
>
> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 11:40:25 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-09-04 at 11.32.59 AM.png]
>> Johnny's pic is from the Blue Lug instagram, post is here: 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CwwQz8VSDYO
>>
>> The above caption is from the same post, FWIW. 
>>
>> I am curious about the barrel-shaped handlebar bag on Grant's Platypus. 
>> Could this be the new handlebar bag he mentioned in a recent post? He 
>> mentioned in the Aug 25, 2023 blog-in-lieu-of-email that a new handlebar 
>> bag is coming: 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/email-update-august-25-by-grant-b-c-will-isnt-here
>>  
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-09-04 at 11.33.34 AM.png]
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-09-04 at 11.39.31 AM.png]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-04 Thread Josh C
I may be in the minority, but I think that Charlie H. Gallop above looks 
better than the Platypus. Just something about the lines of the frame that 
I prefer. I think the platypus is a good looking bike just not something 
that I'd be wild about. 

On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 11:40:25 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: Screenshot 2023-09-04 at 11.32.59 AM.png]
> Johnny's pic is from the Blue Lug instagram, post is here: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CwwQz8VSDYO
>
> The above caption is from the same post, FWIW. 
>
> I am curious about the barrel-shaped handlebar bag on Grant's Platypus. 
> Could this be the new handlebar bag he mentioned in a recent post? He 
> mentioned in the Aug 25, 2023 blog-in-lieu-of-email that a new handlebar 
> bag is coming: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/email-update-august-25-by-grant-b-c-will-isnt-here
>  
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-09-04 at 11.33.34 AM.png]
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-09-04 at 11.39.31 AM.png]
>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-08-26 Thread Joe Bernard
The "Joe's influence" thing is kinda circular. My original inspiration was 
another Riv Custom that looked a lot like this, then Grant dropped my 
toptube a bit lower. 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 11:45:41 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I like it too.  Interesting evolution.  I like the fact that Riv shares it 
> with us, even if it occasionally means that you get attached to something 
> that won't happen.   I imagine this helps keep the lug manufacturer busy 
> and committed.  Plus, VO sort of stole some thunder when they knocked off 
> the original charlie prototype as the low-kicker.  This is more true to 
> their signature - although, yes, I see Joe's influence.
>
> What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus hybrid will go the same 
> way.
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I prefer a full low mixte or the swoopy hillybike style to a higher angle 
>> but Rivendell doesn't do anything I would consider unpleasing to the eye. I 
>> will need to see full geometry but it seems like this is just a Platy with 
>> a slightly higher top tube. I doubt the tube set is different so weight 
>> would be similar (just trying to think of roady considerations) Actually 
>> its probably closer to a Cheviot.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> guess so
>>> I think it looks so much better this way personally 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-26 at 12.04.33 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:01:25 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Interesting!  I wonder if they've pivoted on what the Charlie is going 
 to be.  Going lugged at the head tube, like the new Gus batch, is great 
 but 
 losing the swoop tube would be a real shame (no offence Joe!  Your custom 
 pulls it off better than this Charlie IMO).  I would love to see it just 
 be 
 a roadish version of the new Gus! 

 On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:59:19 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Right?? 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20230823_095848.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:56:23 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what 
>>> the decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie 
 with a straight top tube at RivHQ:

 [image: IMG_1965.jpg]

 [image: IMG_1966.jpg]

 Max

 PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a 
 post from a video in IG.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-08-26 Thread iamkeith

I like it too.  Interesting evolution.  I like the fact that Riv shares it 
with us, even if it occasionally means that you get attached to something 
that won't happen.   I imagine this helps keep the lug manufacturer busy 
and committed.  Plus, VO sort of stole some thunder when they knocked off 
the original charlie prototype as the low-kicker.  This is more true to 
their signature - although, yes, I see Joe's influence.

What I'm really wondering now, is if the Susie/Gus hybrid will go the same 
way.
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I prefer a full low mixte or the swoopy hillybike style to a higher angle 
> but Rivendell doesn't do anything I would consider unpleasing to the eye. I 
> will need to see full geometry but it seems like this is just a Platy with 
> a slightly higher top tube. I doubt the tube set is different so weight 
> would be similar (just trying to think of roady considerations) Actually 
> its probably closer to a Cheviot.
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> guess so
>> I think it looks so much better this way personally 
>>
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-26 at 12.04.33 PM.png]
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:01:25 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting!  I wonder if they've pivoted on what the Charlie is going 
>>> to be.  Going lugged at the head tube, like the new Gus batch, is great but 
>>> losing the swoop tube would be a real shame (no offence Joe!  Your custom 
>>> pulls it off better than this Charlie IMO).  I would love to see it just be 
>>> a roadish version of the new Gus! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:59:19 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Right?? 

 [image: Screenshot_20230823_095848.jpg]

 On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:56:23 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
>> decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with 
>>> a straight top tube at RivHQ:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post 
>>> from a video in IG.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-08-26 Thread Johnny Alien
I prefer a full low mixte or the swoopy hillybike style to a higher angle 
but Rivendell doesn't do anything I would consider unpleasing to the eye. I 
will need to see full geometry but it seems like this is just a Platy with 
a slightly higher top tube. I doubt the tube set is different so weight 
would be similar (just trying to think of roady considerations) Actually 
its probably closer to a Cheviot.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> guess so
> I think it looks so much better this way personally 
>
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-26 at 12.04.33 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:01:25 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Interesting!  I wonder if they've pivoted on what the Charlie is going to 
>> be.  Going lugged at the head tube, like the new Gus batch, is great but 
>> losing the swoop tube would be a real shame (no offence Joe!  Your custom 
>> pulls it off better than this Charlie IMO).  I would love to see it just be 
>> a roadish version of the new Gus! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:59:19 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Right?? 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230823_095848.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:56:23 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
> decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with 
>> a straight top tube at RivHQ:
>>
>> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>>
>> Max
>>
>> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post 
>> from a video in IG.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-08-23 Thread Jason Fuller
Interesting!  I wonder if they've pivoted on what the Charlie is going to 
be.  Going lugged at the head tube, like the new Gus batch, is great but 
losing the swoop tube would be a real shame (no offence Joe!  Your custom 
pulls it off better than this Charlie IMO).  I would love to see it just be 
a roadish version of the new Gus! 

On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:59:19 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Right?? 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20230823_095848.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:56:23 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
>>> decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
 straight top tube at RivHQ:

 [image: IMG_1965.jpg]

 [image: IMG_1966.jpg]

 Max

 PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post 
 from a video in IG.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-08-23 Thread Richard Rose
Agreed! I have a keen interest in the new frame but only if it has the same lovely top tube.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 23, 2023, at 10:35 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:This has me even more curious about this upcoming Hillibike model that's supposed to be combining the Gus / Susie-Wolbis into one model. I'm wondering if that will also lose the swoopy top tube? It would be a shame, IMO, because it's a really lovely design feature and sets the bikes apart from other similarly styled frames in the lineup.On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:12:34 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:It would be interesting to have a mixte leaning road frame and a there is a hole in the lineup for a road oriented lugged taiwan made frame but that would be a pretty large 180 from the second set of prototypes they had made.On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:10:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:It really does!On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:56:23 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.LaingOn Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the decal says, that can't be a Gallop.On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a straight top tube at RivHQ:MaxPS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post from a video in IG.



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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-08-23 Thread Brian Turner
This has me even more curious about this upcoming Hillibike model that's 
supposed to be combining the Gus / Susie-Wolbis into one model. I'm 
wondering if that will also lose the swoopy top tube? It would be a shame, 
IMO, because it's a really lovely design feature and sets the bikes apart 
from other similarly styled frames in the lineup.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:12:34 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It would be interesting to have a mixte leaning road frame and a there is 
> a hole in the lineup for a road oriented lugged taiwan made frame but that 
> would be a pretty large 180 from the second set of prototypes they had made.
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:10:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It really does!
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:56:23 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
 decal says, that can't be a Gallop.

 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
> straight top tube at RivHQ:
>
> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>
> Max
>
> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post 
> from a video in IG.
>


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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-08-23 Thread Johnny Alien
It would be interesting to have a mixte leaning road frame and a there is a 
hole in the lineup for a road oriented lugged taiwan made frame but that 
would be a pretty large 180 from the second set of prototypes they had made.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:10:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It really does!
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:56:23 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
>>> decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
 straight top tube at RivHQ:

 [image: IMG_1965.jpg]

 [image: IMG_1966.jpg]

 Max

 PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post 
 from a video in IG.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-08-23 Thread Johnny Alien
It really does!

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:56:23 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
>> decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
>>> straight top tube at RivHQ:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post 
>>> from a video in IG.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-08-23 Thread lconley
Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.

Laing

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
> decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
>> straight top tube at RivHQ:
>>
>> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>>
>> Max
>>
>> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post from 
>> a video in IG.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-08-22 Thread Johnny Alien
I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the decal 
says, that can't be a Gallop.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
> straight top tube at RivHQ:
>
> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>
> Max
>
> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post from 
> a video in IG.
>

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