Re: [RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
Hi, That type of torque wrench requires calibration to know if it is reading correctly. An accurate and repeatable torque wrench will cost 10x as much. What you have is no better than using a plain ratchet. Sorry. > On Sep 25, 2021, at 12:15 PM, aeroperf wrote: > > Capri 31000 torque wrench -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3B97959D-F19C-426C-B957-0AB5AA66E44F%40gmail.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
I started using a Capri 31000 torque wrench (Amazon, ~$40) when I started seriously working with bottom brackets, free hubs, and freewheels. For 4 years it has worked perfectly. For almost everything else, I use the “one grunt or two grunts” hand method. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7eaef33c-39ce-4dcb-926d-2affe702d766n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
I started using a torque wrench on crank bolts after I cracked an admittedly delicate (but ethereally beautiful!) Topline Superlight crankarm at the attachment point by over-torquing. But I don't use it for anything else, "feel" having so far prevented over or under tightening. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfguF-6Y_hy0a0xL7tV87v4oecNdW%2BACF9HCJYsyNPPh_ag%40mail.gmail.com.
[RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
John, Cantitoe Road is the U.S. destributor for Effetto Mariposa. Although I think REI will come through for you, you might consider contacting: https://www.cantitoeroad.com/Torque-Wrenches_c_68.html I do enjoy using my torque wrench on small parts though I agree it's not necessary. Mitch Browne San Luis Obispo, CA On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 5:55:34 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote: > John, > > I've used a Park Tool TW-5.x torque wrench for several years now, since > 2016 or so (knock wood). IME what you've experienced is not at all > normal. I'm sure you are aware, but Park has an unofficial guarantee. If > you kindly tell them that a Park Tool tool you own just isn't up to snuff > (with an explanation), they will likely send you a free replacement. > > The primary reason I use one is bicycle fasteners are quite small and I > just don't have the touch to know what is *close* to reasonable tightness. > I am especially careful around threadless stems (steerer tube and handlebar > settings). The majority of bikes we have are steel steerer tubes with > aluminum alloy stems and handlebars. I am simply trying to stay within the > torque *range *that is recommended. I figure if I do that with all of > the parts attached to a frameset, then I should have reasonable confidence > that the bicycle will stay together. > > Best regards, > > Jeff > > On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 2:22:24 PM UTC-6 John Phillips wrote: > >>Just found my 2nd torque wrench has died, after less than ten uses, >> after being properly stored, in a dry place, in its box, with the tension >> relaxed. >> >>I started putting my Effetto Mariposa through the warm up calibration, >> and no clicks at 16Nm nor 3 Nm nor any Nm setting. I wanted to install a >> Paul Boxcar stem on my Hunq, my first 31.8mm stem, and I wanted to get it >> right, but now I'm left with just my own wrenching touchy feelyness. >> >>My Park Tools torque wench was dead on arrival, and now my second much >> more pricey Effetto Mariposa has abandoned its mortal coil and left me >> checking the REI return policy. What gives? Is the normal? I have trout >> flies that have lasted longer! Jeez! I still use my first, now 52 years >> old, fiberglass fly rod. I know I'm not Godzilla. >> >>Are there any reliable torque wrenches out there for 3-5.5Nm >> wrenching, or are they just a waste of money if you're a careful mechanic? >> >> Sorry for the ranting, but I'd really like to know what you all depend on. >> >> Thanks, John >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/32d37c9d-63fc-4ad4-b8db-980d718f86efn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
John, I've used a Park Tool TW-5.x torque wrench for several years now, since 2016 or so (knock wood). IME what you've experienced is not at all normal. I'm sure you are aware, but Park has an unofficial guarantee. If you kindly tell them that a Park Tool tool you own just isn't up to snuff (with an explanation), they will likely send you a free replacement. The primary reason I use one is bicycle fasteners are quite small and I just don't have the touch to know what is *close* to reasonable tightness. I am especially careful around threadless stems (steerer tube and handlebar settings). The majority of bikes we have are steel steerer tubes with aluminum alloy stems and handlebars. I am simply trying to stay within the torque *range *that is recommended. I figure if I do that with all of the parts attached to a frameset, then I should have reasonable confidence that the bicycle will stay together. Best regards, Jeff On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 2:22:24 PM UTC-6 John Phillips wrote: >Just found my 2nd torque wrench has died, after less than ten uses, > after being properly stored, in a dry place, in its box, with the tension > relaxed. > >I started putting my Effetto Mariposa through the warm up calibration, > and no clicks at 16Nm nor 3 Nm nor any Nm setting. I wanted to install a > Paul Boxcar stem on my Hunq, my first 31.8mm stem, and I wanted to get it > right, but now I'm left with just my own wrenching touchy feelyness. > >My Park Tools torque wench was dead on arrival, and now my second much > more pricey Effetto Mariposa has abandoned its mortal coil and left me > checking the REI return policy. What gives? Is the normal? I have trout > flies that have lasted longer! Jeez! I still use my first, now 52 years > old, fiberglass fly rod. I know I'm not Godzilla. > >Are there any reliable torque wrenches out there for 3-5.5Nm wrenching, > or are they just a waste of money if you're a careful mechanic? > > Sorry for the ranting, but I'd really like to know what you all depend on. > > Thanks, John > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/23464bae-9f7a-421d-8e7e-4cce9f9bd43cn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
Garth, I think you summed it all up beautifully, and my fingers couldn't agree with you more. And you made me laugh. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/40b95651-22a1-46c8-8135-cc93f7e7fa75n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
Torque wrenches are not necessary John. While they "may" be useful if you've never tightened a bolt in your life, they can also lead one right over a cliff if you trust "the numbers" without question. While number in themselves cannot lie, neither can they offer the truth. People's opinions about the numbers is where things go to awry, even "instructions" from someone you may trust. Oh how many times have I uttered and heard the ol' "all you gotta do is . ". and seen the foolery of it. Marketing is very clever as it suggests and emphasizes "a problem", that of course, they just so happen to have the "the solution" for. It preys on self-doubt and sells itself as offering all that you, according to them, lack. It's all bunk. Everyone has within themselves the very Brilliance of which no man-made-super-computer could ever even scratch the surface of. You know how to tighten a bolt John ! On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote: > Thank you for all your responses, and thank you George for the reminding > me of that earlier thread. I read the whole thread more carefully this time. > > So I pulled out a short torx head wrench and felt much more in control > relying on my fingers to feel my way. I'm just going to stick with my > pinkies from now on. I was installing bamboo handlebars in a Paul Boxcar > stem, and having no experience with either, I thought, "Don't take any > chances, use the torque wrench." > > That torque wrench is now $250 at REI, so it wasn't a cheap one. I must > have used my annual membership dividend to buy it, but I was hoping I was > getting what I paid for at the time. > > Thanks again everyone, John > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/88f91933-b163-483d-bedc-b7e1b2004550n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
Thank you for all your responses, and thank you George for the reminding me of that earlier thread. I read the whole thread more carefully this time. So I pulled out a short torx head wrench and felt much more in control relying on my fingers to feel my way. I'm just going to stick with my pinkies from now on. I was installing bamboo handlebars in a Paul Boxcar stem, and having no experience with either, I thought, "Don't take any chances, use the torque wrench." That torque wrench is now $250 at REI, so it wasn't a cheap one. I must have used my annual membership dividend to buy it, but I was hoping I was getting what I paid for at the time. Thanks again everyone, John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/da07b4d3-9d13-49d9-9826-692977c20c06n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
Get an low technology beam style torque wrench with the graduated scale instead of a click style or electronic torque wrench - less to go wrong. Kind of like using friction shifters instead of index or electronic. Laing On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 4:22:24 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote: >Just found my 2nd torque wrench has died, after less than ten uses, > after being properly stored, in a dry place, in its box, with the tension > relaxed. > >I started putting my Effetto Mariposa through the warm up calibration, > and no clicks at 16Nm nor 3 Nm nor any Nm setting. I wanted to install a > Paul Boxcar stem on my Hunq, my first 31.8mm stem, and I wanted to get it > right, but now I'm left with just my own wrenching touchy feelyness. > >My Park Tools torque wench was dead on arrival, and now my second much > more pricey Effetto Mariposa has abandoned its mortal coil and left me > checking the REI return policy. What gives? Is the normal? I have trout > flies that have lasted longer! Jeez! I still use my first, now 52 years > old, fiberglass fly rod. I know I'm not Godzilla. > >Are there any reliable torque wrenches out there for 3-5.5Nm wrenching, > or are they just a waste of money if you're a careful mechanic? > > Sorry for the ranting, but I'd really like to know what you all depend on. > > Thanks, John > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/316ea8c9-b43d-42b1-88f9-7e75210de440n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
A blog post on this very subject occurred recently entitled "i pinched seat tube putting on problem solvers brand front derailleur clamp" that had many good responses to this torque wrench issue. Do a search on that exact title and you should find all of the info/uses or misuses of torque wrenches as you'll need. On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 3:22:24 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote: >Just found my 2nd torque wrench has died, after less than ten uses, > after being properly stored, in a dry place, in its box, with the tension > relaxed. > >I started putting my Effetto Mariposa through the warm up calibration, > and no clicks at 16Nm nor 3 Nm nor any Nm setting. I wanted to install a > Paul Boxcar stem on my Hunq, my first 31.8mm stem, and I wanted to get it > right, but now I'm left with just my own wrenching touchy feelyness. > >My Park Tools torque wench was dead on arrival, and now my second much > more pricey Effetto Mariposa has abandoned its mortal coil and left me > checking the REI return policy. What gives? Is the normal? I have trout > flies that have lasted longer! Jeez! I still use my first, now 52 years > old, fiberglass fly rod. I know I'm not Godzilla. > >Are there any reliable torque wrenches out there for 3-5.5Nm wrenching, > or are they just a waste of money if you're a careful mechanic? > > Sorry for the ranting, but I'd really like to know what you all depend on. > > Thanks, John > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ec30ca78-2fb0-4ae9-ad4d-ecaa01700623n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a
REI will take anything back at virtually anytime. The biggest constraint in my experience is your moral compass. I’ve used the same Husky torque wrench for decades with success, but I really only use it on automobiles. I sometimes use the Ritchey torque key for things like stems. It’s easy and convenient, but 99% of the time I use feel. I broke a cheap Chinese seatpost collar on a friends bike 20 years ago. Other than that I’ve been good to go, but I don’t usually use weight weenie parts. Best, Aaron On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 2:22:24 PM UTC-6 John Phillips wrote: >Just found my 2nd torque wrench has died, after less than ten uses, > after being properly stored, in a dry place, in its box, with the tension > relaxed. > >I started putting my Effetto Mariposa through the warm up calibration, > and no clicks at 16Nm nor 3 Nm nor any Nm setting. I wanted to install a > Paul Boxcar stem on my Hunq, my first 31.8mm stem, and I wanted to get it > right, but now I'm left with just my own wrenching touchy feelyness. > >My Park Tools torque wench was dead on arrival, and now my second much > more pricey Effetto Mariposa has abandoned its mortal coil and left me > checking the REI return policy. What gives? Is the normal? I have trout > flies that have lasted longer! Jeez! I still use my first, now 52 years > old, fiberglass fly rod. I know I'm not Godzilla. > >Are there any reliable torque wrenches out there for 3-5.5Nm wrenching, > or are they just a waste of money if you're a careful mechanic? > > Sorry for the ranting, but I'd really like to know what you all depend on. > > Thanks, John > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/37443e34-3d21-4bc8-a58e-abce85e433c2n%40googlegroups.com.
