[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[William deRosset]

Dear Jim,

I have good relationships with bike builders, and I like trying out 
new-to-me designs.

I go to swap meets.

I'm a Magpie (ooh! Shiny! Catches light just so!) 

I end up with piles of shiny aluminum and chrome-steel bits.

Then I scrape them up in use.

Best,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO
 
P.S. that R10 looks great!

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>
> I hope it shifts good.  It sure is pretty!
>

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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[Michael Hechmer]

Yes, I had hammered honjos for 7 (?) years before the rear one cracked.  I 
admired the looks of the cream long boards on my wife's Betty so put a pair 
on the Ram.  The blue on the Ram is enough different from the Betty to make 
the fenders look off to me.  I have a pair of VOs ready to install.

Michael

On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:46:01 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> Since you say "returning to hammered Al" I presume you had that before 
> going to plastic.
> What prompted you to change to plastic, and were the plastic ones SKS 
> longboards?
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 4:11:56 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Sometimes I have resisted parts because they are not shiny silver or Al. 
>>  Sometimes it has been a mistake.  When I refurbished my Ram as a double I 
>> resisted the White VBC crank even though it looked like it would give me 
>> exactly what I needed and would function perfectly.  I decided to order it 
>> and discovered it was a shiny, polished black that looked great.  Then I 
>> resisted  mating it with the Shimano RD 6700SS because it was grey. 
>>  Ultimately I bought it too and found it has given me the best friction 
>> shifting I have ever had. No regrets.
>>
>> OTOH, after a year with plastic fenders on the Ram I gave up and am 
>> returning to hammered Al.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 3:06:12 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> I hope it shifts good.  It sure is pretty!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[Michael Hechmer]

Ah, I have a beautiful early Chorus FD broken in the same place.  Maybe 
metal fatigue or my over tightening?  I have never been willing to part 
with it, nor find someone able to repair it.

Michael
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 11:20:29 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Front derailer says, I want to play too!
>
> Crack makes cable bolt no tighten
> On Dec 29, 2015 2:05 PM, "Jim Bronson"  
> wrote:
>
>> I hope it shifts good.  It sure is pretty!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[Patrick Moore]

I replaced a perfectly arranged 44/30 Pro 5 Vis 7 speed drivetrain on my
Ram with a slightly more problematical 9 speed one based around a Dura Ace
7410 crankset, simply because the 7410 is so pretty; IMO, the nicest DA
crankset made, and because this crankset matched the f and r derailleurs
and the rather rare DA spd pedals. Problematical because, given the ring
limits (52/38 smallest that would work for me) it required 2 more cogs to
keep the same range and avoid too big gaps, and a special order 16 t Miche
outer cog. I also had to find a 103 mm bb spindle for a Phil bb assembly.
But it sure was pretty!

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Michael Hechmer 
wrote:

> Yes, I had hammered honjos for 7 (?) years before the rear one cracked.  I
> admired the looks of the cream long boards on my wife's Betty so put a pair
> on the Ram.  The blue on the Ram is enough different from the Betty to make
> the fenders look off to me.  I have a pair of VOs ready to install.
>
> Michael
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:46:01 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Since you say "returning to hammered Al" I presume you had that before
>> going to plastic.
>> What prompted you to change to plastic, and were the plastic ones SKS
>> longboards?
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 4:11:56 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>>
>>> Sometimes I have resisted parts because they are not shiny silver or
>>> Al.  Sometimes it has been a mistake.  When I refurbished my Ram as a
>>> double I resisted the White VBC crank even though it looked like it would
>>> give me exactly what I needed and would function perfectly.  I decided to
>>> order it and discovered it was a shiny, polished black that looked great.
>>> Then I resisted  mating it with the Shimano RD 6700SS because it was grey.
>>> Ultimately I bought it too and found it has given me the best friction
>>> shifting I have ever had. No regrets.
>>>
>>> OTOH, after a year with plastic fenders on the Ram I gave up and am
>>> returning to hammered Al.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 3:06:12 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I hope it shifts good.  It sure is pretty!

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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[WETH]

Dear Ron,
Thanks for the information.  Hopefully in the long term they'll perform as well 
as they look.  I like how you matched them to the frame color.
Happy Nee Year!
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[Garth]

If a suitable part is available in silver, great. If not, so what ? !   
Would I pay double just a shiny silver or a black of the same thing ? 
Likely not .  Especially when it comes to real small stuff like derailers , 
heck really any part on a bike is "small" compared to the frame !  

Oh vanity of vanities . . .  where art thou ?   No-where ! 


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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[Ron Mc]

thanks again, at one point, with the red anodize on the shifters, Miche 
hubs and QRs, I just made the decision to splash it with red anodize 
wherever I could.  Everything there is a really dark wine color, though 
light may cause it to photo pinkish.  But be careful, there is a lot of 
pink anodize out there marketed as red (VP001s are lipstick pink)

On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 7:55:28 AM UTC-6, WETH wrote:
>
> Dear Ron
> Thanks for the information.  Hopefully in the long term they'll perform as 
> well as they look.  I like how you matched them to the frame color.
> Happy Nee Year!
> Erl

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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[JohnS]

I'll buy used parts if they are good and at a low price, usually shinny, 
but I'm a sucker for old school Shimano LX rear derailleurs in black.

JohnS


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> I hope it shifts good.  It sure is pretty!
>

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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[Ron Mc]

Hi Erl, they're Raceface Atlas.  Costy, but I found an ebay purchase for 
$52 below retail (and free shipping).  Jury is out on these, because I've 
already had to replace an axle, but the replacement is holding up well.  


Aside from their good looks, I really like their footprint (104mm wide, 
114mm long) and velcro stick.  

On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 9:48:11 PM UTC-6, WETH wrote:
>
> Ron,
> That's a beautiful bike.  I like the pedals.  What brand are they?
> Thanks,
> Erl

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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[Michael Hechmer]

Sometimes I have resisted parts because they are not shiny silver or Al. 
 Sometimes it has been a mistake.  When I refurbished my Ram as a double I 
resisted the White VBC crank even though it looked like it would give me 
exactly what I needed and would function perfectly.  I decided to order it 
and discovered it was a shiny, polished black that looked great.  Then I 
resisted  mating it with the Shimano RD 6700SS because it was grey. 
 Ultimately I bought it too and found it has given me the best friction 
shifting I have ever had. No regrets.

OTOH, after a year with plastic fenders on the Ram I gave up and am 
returning to hammered Al.

Michael



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> I hope it shifts good.  It sure is pretty!
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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[ted]

Michael,

Since you say "returning to hammered Al" I presume you had that before 
going to plastic.
What prompted you to change to plastic, and were the plastic ones SKS 
longboards?

On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 4:11:56 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Sometimes I have resisted parts because they are not shiny silver or Al. 
>  Sometimes it has been a mistake.  When I refurbished my Ram as a double I 
> resisted the White VBC crank even though it looked like it would give me 
> exactly what I needed and would function perfectly.  I decided to order it 
> and discovered it was a shiny, polished black that looked great.  Then I 
> resisted  mating it with the Shimano RD 6700SS because it was grey. 
>  Ultimately I bought it too and found it has given me the best friction 
> shifting I have ever had. No regrets.
>
> OTOH, after a year with plastic fenders on the Ram I gave up and am 
> returning to hammered Al.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 3:06:12 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I hope it shifts good.  It sure is pretty!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[Ron Mc]

I've got 2000 miles on mine, and it's been a great derailleur.  
You can spruce it up even more with Microshift alloy/ball-bearing jockey 
wheels 


  

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HFC07D6

here's a different brand, even cheaper with other colors 
http://www.amazon.com/Bearing-Jockey-Derailleur-JY-C11S-Shimano/dp/B016RON2T8

>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[Ryan Fleming]

yuplotsa times and  usually they worked really well, too. That is a 
pretty derailleur...the older Suntour stuff was really nice too. Is that 
the new Suntour deralleur to shift a 10-cog cassette?



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> I hope it shifts good.  It sure is pretty!
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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[David Person]

Yup, I bought an XT rear derailleur for my Sam build this past summer, but 
then saw the SunXCD and spent $100 on that instead of using the XT because 
I was going for all shiny silver parts.  Maybe the XT will have to wind up 
on an Appaloosa, along with the other spare parts I have laying around, 
about enough for half a bike.  Every Sam needs a Joe for company, right?

David


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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[sameness]

I have no love for black components, but I tend to actively seek out stuff 
with a mix of black paint, dulled ano, scratches, etc. just so dirt doesn't 
look so... dirty. Half a day on the streets of LA turns a show pony into 
horse meat.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[Jim Bronson]

It's a Microshift R10.

The new Suntour XCD is similar but has a longer cage to support up to 34 in
the back.  Pretty sure Microshift makes the Suntour XCD stuff for them, it
looks just about identical save for the longer cage.
http://sunxcd.net/rearder/

The main difference other than the cage is the fact that the R10 is
available for one third of the cost.

The R10 is rated 28 max but looks like it would easily go to 32.  In the
picture it's in the small/small combo because no cables are attached to
either derailer.  I would never actually ride it that way though because my
wide-low double is actually an Ultegra 6503 triple with the big ring
removed in favor of a bash guard.  If I had a real double the chain angle
wouldn't be as extreme and that combo might be usable.  If one really
wanted to.
On Dec 29, 2015 3:00 PM, "Ryan Fleming" 
wrote:

> yuplotsa times and  usually they worked really well, too. That is a
> pretty derailleur...the older Suntour stuff was really nice too. Is that
> the new Suntour deralleur to shift a 10-cog cassette?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 2:06:12 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I hope it shifts good.  It sure is pretty!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ever buy parts just because they're shiny?

[WETH]

Ron,
That's a beautiful bike.  I like the pedals.  What brand are they?
Thanks,
Erl

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