[RBW] Re: Found the Elfin Magic
The shorter stem did feel a little different, but not bad in any way. Anyway - I guess if 70 stems were so "wrong" I don't think GP would stock them. Either way I don't really care. The bike fits perfectly now. :) On Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:20:43 PM UTC-5, NWAJack wrote: > When I purchased and had Keven and Mark build up my AHH a few months ago, > I went with the "default" 100mm Tallux Stem. I had nothing to compare it > too since I've always road "race" bikes previously. After 2 months of > adjusting the stem height, saddle tilt, etc. I wasn't able to find a really > comfortable position that didn't put too much weight on my hands. Finally > broke down and used some Riv bucks to bujy a 70 instead. Instant Elfin > magic!!! It's perfect.Very little weight on my hands, and found the > sweet spot for sure. I love it even more. > On a side note, after a ride this morning I switched out the Marathon > Supremes' that I had spec'd originally with some Jack Browns.Green in > front and Blue in the back. I haven't ridden them yet but wow are they > easy to mount. Another winner. :) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Found the Elfin Magic
On Mon, 2013-05-13 at 07:37 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Use whatever works. I have to disagree with Grant when he says that > top tube length matters relatively little. That would be true for a narrow range of possibilities. Too little and you can end up with a lot of toe overlap and a need to use a stem with more extension than is commonly available; too long a top tube and you can end up needing a very short stem, perhaps shorter than commonly available. For the range of commonly available stems, say roughly between 8 and 13 cm, you can probably achieve the same handlebar location so in terms of fit it's probably true. If you believe what the Kool Kids on the VSalon forum say [about racing bikes] too long and too short of a stem will mess with the intended weight distribution and spoil the handling of the bike. I'm not sure if that would really be true for bikes that tend to be as solid and stable riding as Rivendells -- in fact, some of those Kool Kids are so full of krap/full of themselves I disbelieve anything they say -- but it's a potential factor as well. > One complaint I had about the Sam Hill was that the size 56 had a 59 > cm tt which, for me, was quite a bit too long since my roads have a > ~57 tt and even those require 8 cm stems. The only way to get > comfortable on the SH was to have the bar quite a bit higher than I > liked and I think that high bar -- 2-3" above saddle, IIRC (tho' I may > NRRC) contributed to the poor feel while climbing seated. And that's out of the range I was speaking of. Get outside that range and the statement's probably untrue, as you describe. It should also be noted, with most "modern" sloper designs they no longer size by seat tube length at all; about the ONLY thing that matters is effective top tube length. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Found the Elfin Magic
Use whatever works. I have to disagree with Grant when he says that top tube length matters relatively little. One complaint I had about the Sam Hill was that the size 56 had a 59 cm tt which, for me, was quite a bit too long since my roads have a ~57 tt and even those require 8 cm stems. The only way to get comfortable on the SH was to have the bar quite a bit higher than I liked and I think that high bar -- 2-3" above saddle, IIRC (tho' I may NRRC) contributed to the poor feel while climbing seated. One reason I like the Fargo -- in many respects an undistinguished bike, by my reference points -- is that it is a bike that can take (I think) 70s having a road-ish 57 cm effective tt. I was wholly tickled and pleased that the 58 cm Ram has the perfect 57 cm tt (with the shorter reach Noodle a wee bit higher than the bars on the other Rivs, I use a 9 cm stem). Patrick Moore, wondering whether "cotton to" has anything to do with gossypium or algodones, who just might ride to Algodones up the road toward Santa Fe. On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Michael wrote: > Dig this: > > Two of the Rivfolks communicated to me *as if they did not cotton* to > short stems on a bike, which is surprising since they are usually into > whatever makes you comfy. I was really surprised to even read a derisive > comment from one of them about the aesthetics of a short stem. I was > shocked!!! And *especially* from who's fingers the comment was typed! > > I love my Bleriot and Sam Hillborne but seems like their TT's are too > long for me, so I have needed to shorten the stems alot. I use a 7cm stem ( > and Noodles) on my Bleriot and a 6cm stem ( and 'staches for now) on my > Hillborne (apologies to the folks at Rivendell for me using short stems). > > All I can say was I was getting some major pain that lasted for many days > after even a shortish ride from my stock 8cm stem. The reach was too long > for me. Went to 6 with a stache and am now riding in comfort. My back and > neck like it so far. I will switch back to the Noodles eventually and see > if it is indeed the stem that did the trick or if it was the staches. > Either way - the stem gets me 2cm closer than before. The staches gets me > 4cm closer than the noodles in the hood area. So seems like my body was > insisting on a shorter reach. > > I guess we are more progressive then even the Rivendellians!! Let's pave > the future for comfort with our short stem extensions!!! > Congrats on finding a better stem extension. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Found the Elfin Magic
Glad you too found the right stem. I'm running noodles also and like you have a short reach I guess. It looks fine to me and I can ride in comfort. Thats what counts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Found the Elfin Magic
Dig this: > A couple Rivfolks communicated to me *as if they did not cotton* to short > stems on a bike, which is surprising since they are usually into whatever > makes you comfy. I was really surprised to even read a derisive comment > from one of them about the aesthetics of short stems. I was surprised to > say the least. > I love my Bleriot and Sam Hillborne but seems like their TT's are too > long for me, so I have needed to shorten the stems alot. I use a 7cm stem ( > and Noodles) on my Bleriot and a 6cm stem ( and 'staches for now) on my > Hillborne (apologies to the folks at Rivendell. I love you guys and your > bikes, but I wear "S" in suit jackets. I got a short reach/trunk. What can > I say.). Maybe I am one of those peeps who could use a custom. > All I can say was I was getting some major pain that lasted for *many*days > after even a shortish ride from my stock 8cm stem. The reach was too > long for me. Went to 6 with a stache and am now riding in comfort. My back > and neck like it so far. I will switch back to the Noodles eventually and > see if it is indeed the stem that did the trick or if it was the staches. > Either way - the stem gets me 2cm closer than before. The staches gets me > 4cm closer than the noodles in the hood area. So seems like my body was > insisting on a shorter reach. > I guess we are more progressive then even the Rivendellians!! Let's pave > the future for comfort with our short stem extensions!!! ;) > Congrats on finding your ideal stem extension!! > Now let us see some pics of your new ride! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Found the Elfin Magic
Dig this: Two of the Rivfolks communicated to me *as if they did not cotton* to short stems on a bike, which is surprising since they are usually into whatever makes you comfy. I was really surprised to even read a derisive comment from one of them about the aesthetics of a short stem. I was shocked!!! And *especially* from who's fingers the comment was typed! I love my Bleriot and Sam Hillborne but seems like their TT's are too long for me, so I have needed to shorten the stems alot. I use a 7cm stem ( and Noodles) on my Bleriot and a 6cm stem ( and 'staches for now) on my Hillborne (apologies to the folks at Rivendell for me using short stems). All I can say was I was getting some major pain that lasted for many days after even a shortish ride from my stock 8cm stem. The reach was too long for me. Went to 6 with a stache and am now riding in comfort. My back and neck like it so far. I will switch back to the Noodles eventually and see if it is indeed the stem that did the trick or if it was the staches. Either way - the stem gets me 2cm closer than before. The staches gets me 4cm closer than the noodles in the hood area. So seems like my body was insisting on a shorter reach. I guess we are more progressive then even the Rivendellians!! Let's pave the future for comfort with our short stem extensions!!! Congrats on finding a better stem extension. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
