[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM, 42MuskhamSt wrote: > > This is good to know - thanks for the info. How does one address it > so that friction and hyperglide work well? IME, with 7, 8, 9 and 10 speed HG cassettes, and dt, bar con and Kelly Take-off shifting, HG and friction were cosmically meant to go together. You just have to be aware (if in fact you learned to friction shift on the old straight tooth cogs) that HG shifting will mean a little pause while the ramp goes around and lines up for the chain movement. Tho' to be honest, the completely, no-holds-barred, absolutely best rear shifting I ever had was 7 speed Uniglide and Sante dt indexed shifters on a '89 Falcon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 09:49 -0800, 42MuskhamSt wrote: > This is good to know - thanks for the info. How does one address it > so that friction and hyperglide work well? One common bit of advice is to do away with the floating upper pulley. Many swap them (saves buying a new set of pulleys). I haven't tried this myself. What I did that worked for me was to stop friction shifting Hyperglide 8 and switch the shifters onto a 7spd Hyperglide bike. That works well for me. The gears seem farther apart, giving me more room for adjustment. Jan Heine seems to be of the opinion that friction shifting Hyperglide works much better with Campagnolo rear derailleurs than Shimano. While I don't dispute his observation, I believe the only differences between them can be the floating pulley, not present on the Campagnolo, and possibly the two may move different amounts for a given amount of lever travel; I can see how that might make it feel different and possibly make it easier to shift cleanly. It wouldn't take much, since 7 and 8 spd aren't spaced all that differently, but to me they feel much different. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?
Are you using hyper-glide cassettes? Or the previous uni-glide (unramped, twist tooth)? And does the ghost shifting happen on the 7 sp or 8 sp? One trick I've used to decrease the sensitivity of 8 sp HG is to use 7 sp spacers between offending cogs. With ghost shifting, I've noticed it's usually isolated to only a single pair of cogs on any given cassette. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 42MuskhamSt Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:11 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing? I can't say that this is my experience. My bikes are 8 speed and 7 speed respectively. They can run index or friction (Shimano bar end shifters (old style LX rd's)) and I have to say that friction shifting is smooth. Both are cassette hubs. The only issue I have on one bike (non-Riv) is that the frame has a bit of flex to it, which can cause ghost shifting. On that bike, I use the index mode and wards off the ghosties. On Feb 16, 9:15 pm, rcnute wrote: > Should I suck it up and get the Phil Riv hub or are there alternatives > to consider? I've decided that friction shifting and cassettes > designed for indexed shifting are not a perfect marriage. Don't know > much about hubs so bear with me. Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?
This is good to know - thanks for the info. How does one address it so that friction and hyperglide work well? On Feb 17, 4:47 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 23:11 -0800, 42MuskhamSt wrote: > > I can't say that this is my experience. My bikes are 8 speed and 7 > > speed respectively. They can run index or friction (Shimano bar end > > shifters (old style LX rd's)) and I have to say that friction shifting > > is smooth. Both are cassette hubs. The only issue I have on one bike > > (non-Riv) is that the frame has a bit of flex to it, which can cause > > ghost shifting. On that bike, I use the index mode and wards off the > > ghosties. > > Many of us have found that friction shifting hyperglide leads to ghost > shifting that has nothing whatever to do with frame flex. In fact, of > all the ghost shifting I've seen NONE of it has been due to frame flex; > and I'm heavier than most here, and one my my frames is among the more > flexible frames. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 23:11 -0800, 42MuskhamSt wrote: > I can't say that this is my experience. My bikes are 8 speed and 7 > speed respectively. They can run index or friction (Shimano bar end > shifters (old style LX rd's)) and I have to say that friction shifting > is smooth. Both are cassette hubs. The only issue I have on one bike > (non-Riv) is that the frame has a bit of flex to it, which can cause > ghost shifting. On that bike, I use the index mode and wards off the > ghosties. > Many of us have found that friction shifting hyperglide leads to ghost shifting that has nothing whatever to do with frame flex. In fact, of all the ghost shifting I've seen NONE of it has been due to frame flex; and I'm heavier than most here, and one my my frames is among the more flexible frames. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?
I can't say that this is my experience. My bikes are 8 speed and 7 speed respectively. They can run index or friction (Shimano bar end shifters (old style LX rd's)) and I have to say that friction shifting is smooth. Both are cassette hubs. The only issue I have on one bike (non-Riv) is that the frame has a bit of flex to it, which can cause ghost shifting. On that bike, I use the index mode and wards off the ghosties. On Feb 16, 9:15 pm, rcnute wrote: > Should I suck it up and get the Phil Riv hub or are there alternatives > to consider? I've decided that friction shifting and cassettes > designed for indexed shifting are not a perfect marriage. Don't know > much about hubs so bear with me. Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?
On Feb 16, 9:15 pm, rcnute wrote: > Should I suck it up and get the Phil Riv hub or are there alternatives > to consider? I've decided that friction shifting and cassettes > designed for indexed shifting are not a perfect marriage. Don't know > much about hubs so bear with me. Thanks. This is interesting. Why do you say that friction shifting and cassettes don't mix? When I last used friction shifting, I was running Simplex dt shifters with shimano 9 cassette. Never had any problem shifting. Further, what I really like about cassette hubs is you never had to worry about axles breaking. I broke at least 3 axles on my C-Record freewheel hub before going to cassette hub. I especially like Shimano rear hubs with its outboard bearings. Phil makes good hubs, but its pricey. Good Luck! Brewster --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM, rcnute wrote: > > Should I suck it up and get the Phil Riv hub or are there alternatives > to consider? I've decided that friction shifting and cassettes > designed for indexed shifting are not a perfect marriage. Don't know > much about hubs so bear with me. Thanks. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > > Get an old Shimano 600 hubset and re-space it for 135. Better yet, find a wheelset and re-space/re-dish it. Shimano 600 freewheel stuff is hard to beat... -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
