[RBW] Re: Freewheel questions
If I remember the history... The 6 speed spacing was thought of as standard, although it was narrower than the 5 speed it replace. When 7 speed came out it was narrow, and is identical to nine speed. I use the same chains today on my wife's 7 speed freewheel as I do on my 9 speed cassette. I think 8 speed was introduced when stays went from 126 to 130 mm although I'm not sure of the spacing, I would expect it is closer to the 6 speed, and then the 9 speed cassette quickly replaced it with the narrower chains again. I would think an experienced mechanic at your LBS could give you a definitive answer. I have a White Cassette Hub, which I am quite happy with, that is priced about the same as the PW freewheel version. Some people find these noisy, but I have discovered that it is only an issue in the closed space of a shop, not outdoors on the road. Michael On Apr 22, 8:08 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Does anyone know if the spacing of the cogs on a 6-speed or 7-speed freewheel is exactly the same as the spacing of the cogs on an 8-speed cassette? Specifically I'm talking about the freewheels RBW sells. But if it isn't true for those, is it true for any particular brand or model? And if so, how can I get those freehweels? Sheldon's web-site indicates a chart with spacing for various freewheels and cassettes, but doesn't name any freewheel brands/models that I know how to get today. And what it does say indicates that the spacing is somewhat different, as far as I can tell. I'm contemplating a Phil-hubbed wheel for my later-this-summer Hillborne. And I like the idea of the relative cheapness of the freewheel version of the hub, of course. But more importantly I like the idea of a nearly dishless wheel. I think I'll be using non-O/C rims on this wheel if I do this; the strongest rims apparently don't come in O/C versions (perhaps because that makes them somewhat weaker?) so the lower dish possible with a freewheel arrangement would be great. It may overwhelm my desire for having only one style of hub in the household. I'm sure I'd be happy with 7-speeds as opposed to 8. I'd probably be fine with 6 speeds. BUT... I really really really don't want to compromise my 8-speed indexing ability. My inexpensive shifters are the best things about my current Trek hybrid. I've gotten spoiled with virtually flawless shifting. I realize that I'll have one or more dead clicks in my shifting if I move to a non-8-speed set-up; that's okay.) If it's close but not exactly the same spacing, I think I'll stick with the cassette arrangement and hope differing spoke tensions don't compromise the wheel too much. If it is practical to *make* the spacing the same, I'd consider that. And... I should ask generally... are there significant differences in feel of riding using a freewheel versus a cassette? That is, does one make for a more free-spinning wheel than the other? I won't have a chance to ride one first and don't want to make a significant move like this without a small understanding of what I'm giving up or gaining. Thanks for any info you have or can point me to. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel questions
I have been using a 7 spd Phil hub with an IRD freewheel for some time, and like the other poster, enjoy the good shifting and silence. The trick to getting a freewheel on and off is to first lubricate its threads and those of the hub liberally. Take it off once a year or so with a bench vice and re-grease. Very easy. On Apr 22, 5:08 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Does anyone know if the spacing of the cogs on a 6-speed or 7-speed freewheel is exactly the same as the spacing of the cogs on an 8-speed cassette? Specifically I'm talking about the freewheels RBW sells. But if it isn't true for those, is it true for any particular brand or model? And if so, how can I get those freehweels? Sheldon's web-site indicates a chart with spacing for various freewheels and cassettes, but doesn't name any freewheel brands/models that I know how to get today. And what it does say indicates that the spacing is somewhat different, as far as I can tell. I'm contemplating a Phil-hubbed wheel for my later-this-summer Hillborne. And I like the idea of the relative cheapness of the freewheel version of the hub, of course. But more importantly I like the idea of a nearly dishless wheel. I think I'll be using non-O/C rims on this wheel if I do this; the strongest rims apparently don't come in O/C versions (perhaps because that makes them somewhat weaker?) so the lower dish possible with a freewheel arrangement would be great. It may overwhelm my desire for having only one style of hub in the household. I'm sure I'd be happy with 7-speeds as opposed to 8. I'd probably be fine with 6 speeds. BUT... I really really really don't want to compromise my 8-speed indexing ability. My inexpensive shifters are the best things about my current Trek hybrid. I've gotten spoiled with virtually flawless shifting. I realize that I'll have one or more dead clicks in my shifting if I move to a non-8-speed set-up; that's okay.) If it's close but not exactly the same spacing, I think I'll stick with the cassette arrangement and hope differing spoke tensions don't compromise the wheel too much. If it is practical to *make* the spacing the same, I'd consider that. And... I should ask generally... are there significant differences in feel of riding using a freewheel versus a cassette? That is, does one make for a more free-spinning wheel than the other? I won't have a chance to ride one first and don't want to make a significant move like this without a small understanding of what I'm giving up or gaining. Thanks for any info you have or can point me to. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel questions
The Phil hubs look great but has anyone used the Suzue Classica hubs? They only come in a 126 and 130mm spacing for the rear. They certainly look nice too. I was looking into building some new wheels for my RB-1. ~Mike~ On Apr 22, 7:35 am, rswat...@me.com wrote: In my experience, 6,7, and 8 speed spacing is, if not exactly the same, close enough. I have a bike with 8s indexed shifters that I use with both 7 and 8 speed wheels. I've also put 7 speed wheels on 6 speed bikes and have been able to use the original index shifters. These have all been Shimano shifters, but with a mix of Shimano and Suntour cassettes and freewheels. It seems that most Shimano 6-7 shifters have an extra click that'll let you squeeze in one extra cog. Your mileage may vary, however. Ryan On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:08 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Does anyone know if the spacing of the cogs on a 6-speed or 7-speed freewheel is exactly the same as the spacing of the cogs on an 8-speed cassette? Specifically I'm talking about the freewheels RBW sells. But if it isn't true for those, is it true for any particular brand or model? And if so, how can I get those freehweels? Sheldon's web-site indicates a chart with spacing for various freewheels and cassettes, but doesn't name any freewheel brands/models that I know how to get today. And what it does say indicates that the spacing is somewhat different, as far as I can tell. I'm contemplating a Phil-hubbed wheel for my later-this-summer Hillborne. And I like the idea of the relative cheapness of the freewheel version of the hub, of course. But more importantly I like the idea of a nearly dishless wheel. I think I'll be using non-O/C rims on this wheel if I do this; the strongest rims apparently don't come in O/C versions (perhaps because that makes them somewhat weaker?) so the lower dish possible with a freewheel arrangement would be great. It may overwhelm my desire for having only one style of hub in the household. I'm sure I'd be happy with 7-speeds as opposed to 8. I'd probably be fine with 6 speeds. BUT... I really really really don't want to compromise my 8-speed indexing ability. My inexpensive shifters are the best things about my current Trek hybrid. I've gotten spoiled with virtually flawless shifting. I realize that I'll have one or more dead clicks in my shifting if I move to a non-8-speed set-up; that's okay.) If it's close but not exactly the same spacing, I think I'll stick with the cassette arrangement and hope differing spoke tensions don't compromise the wheel too much. If it is practical to *make* the spacing the same, I'd consider that. And... I should ask generally... are there significant differences in feel of riding using a freewheel versus a cassette? That is, does one make for a more free-spinning wheel than the other? I won't have a chance to ride one first and don't want to make a significant move like this without a small understanding of what I'm giving up or gaining. Thanks for any info you have or can point me to. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel questions
There's no difference in the spacing of of a 5/6/7sp IRD freewheel and a 8sp cassette of any make. Standard Shimano spacing for all. If you use a Suntour FW spacing varies . Sachs FW's use Shimano compatible spacing also... as does Sunrace. FW and cassette ride the same. I prefer Phil Wood FW hubs because they are simple and durable. Axles are never an issue with PW hubs. I prefer FW hubs because I can fully service them myself, if a bearing or FW body ever went bad, I have spares. With a Cassette, you may have to send it to the manufacturer(in the case of PW,White,CK,etc.) . which means dismantling the wheel. . . which if you pay top dollar to have a perfect wheel, you don't go dismantling them. . .Ever. I also prefer 7sp above all because I friction shift, and above 7speeds I found it tedious and I gained nothing useful in gears. Don't worry about the OCR thing, I think it's a bit over rated and convoluted. A 7sp PW hub and a standard rim (like a Mavic A719) will make for a plenty durable wheel. I've had mine for many years built by a Joe Young and have never had to touch them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel questions
Thanks all for the info. I think I've decided that should I ever need to replace the wheel I have, it'll be with a 40-hole 6-speed Phil FW / Dyad / DB13. Probably get a few freewheels at the same time. If I have a bad experience with that wheel within a year, then I'll just start buying dirt-cheap ready-mades and treat them as disposable. Thanks again! Thomas Lynn Skean On Apr 22, 8:30 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: There's no difference in the spacing of of a 5/6/7sp IRD freewheel and a 8sp cassette of any make. Standard Shimano spacing for all. If you use a Suntour FW spacing varies . Sachs FW's use Shimano compatible spacing also... as does Sunrace. FW and cassette ride the same. I prefer Phil Wood FW hubs because they are simple and durable. Axles are never an issue with PW hubs. I prefer FW hubs because I can fully service them myself, if a bearing or FW body ever went bad, I have spares. With a Cassette, you may have to send it to the manufacturer(in the case of PW,White,CK,etc.) . which means dismantling the wheel. . . which if you pay top dollar to have a perfect wheel, you don't go dismantling them. . .Ever. I also prefer 7sp above all because I friction shift, and above 7speeds I found it tedious and I gained nothing useful in gears. Don't worry about the OCR thing, I think it's a bit over rated and convoluted. A 7sp PW hub and a standard rim (like a Mavic A719) will make for a plenty durable wheel. I've had mine for many years built by a Joe Young and have never had to touch them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel questions
On Apr 22, 6:30 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: There's no difference in the spacing of of a 5/6/7sp IRD freewheel and a 8sp cassette of any make. Standard Shimano spacing for all. Not quite true. Numbers courtesy of Sheldon: Standard 5 and 6 speed spacing was 5.3 mm Suntour Ultra Six was 5.0 mm Suntour Accushift 6 was 5.5 mm Shimano and Sachs 7 speed was 5.0 mm, but Suntour 7 speed had unequal steps (4.8/5.0 mm). Campy 8 speed was 5.0 mm. 8 speed Campy indexed perfectly with 7 speed cassettes freewheels. I used that setup for a few years. Shimano SRAM 8 speed cassettes are 4.8 mm. They may kind of interchange with 7 speed, but often not perfectly. The easiest, best match for the OP's indexed shifters will be an 8 speed cassette. A $ 40 Jtek Shiftmate #1 will adapt a Shimano 8 speed shifter derailleur setup to Campy 8 speed, which is 5 mm spacing, so that would allow the use of a 7 speed freewheel/Phil hub setup without degrading the shifting. The cost of the Shiftmate is a lot less than the difference between Phil FW and cassette hubs! http://www.jtekengineering.com/shiftmate.htm I now use a Shiftmate with that old Campy 8 speed group to let it use cheap and available 8 speed Shimano cassettes. Works fine. BTW, I have Phil cassette hub, and as I recall it's pretty easy to service: http://www.philwood.com/wp-content/service/FSCinstructions.pdf Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
