[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Ryan M.]

That's a lot of bar swaps...lol. I'm glad you found one you like. 

I went through a few different setups on my Appaloosa too. Started with the 
Chocomoose bars and thought those came back a little too much for me on 
this bike. Then I went to the regular Bullmoose bar which was too short of 
a reach for me but I did use that setup for a season. That bar is living on 
my Frank Jones Sr single speed now. Then I tried a Nitto Noodle which I 
really didn't like on this bike and since then I've sworn off all drop 
bars. I'm just getting too old for that bending over stuff.  I ended up 
going with the tried and true Albatross bar with a decently longish Nitto 
stem. I only have one shifter on the bar setup and it's an XT index thing I 
took off a mountain bike and I use a pair of Paul Component brake levers 
with some slip on rubber grips. The setup does everything well enough that 
I don't plan on changing it anytime soon. Front ring is changed by hand 
now. Eventually I will stick a friction shifting setup on the bike using 
some Paul Thumbies or something. 

I guess changing around setups is part of the fun for me. 

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 11:47:37 PM UTC-6 Erik wrote:

> As of last night, I have officially swapped the bars and stem on my 2017 
> Appaloosa...a lot.  I've never been like this with other bikes, but for 
> some reason I get restless with my Riv set-ups and keep messing around with 
> new configurations every few months.  In five years, I've gone through the 
> following: 
>
>- Choco-norm (original build from Riv)
>- Original moustache (from an old Bridgestone build)
>- Bullmoose
>- Bosco Bullmoose (because I rode Grant's Appaloosa with these bars 
>and loved them)
>- Albatross (because they are lovely and feel good)
>- Spank Flare (because I wanted to try drops when I switched the 
>Appaloosa from primarily road to off-road use.  First drops for me since 
>1991 on my RB-2)
>- Jones H-Loop (these stayed on for almost a year! I only took them 
>off to move them to my Atlantis)
>- Albatross again
>- Billie (wanted a longer grip area than I had on the albatross)
>
> And now a Choco-moose (because I rode by headquarters in Walnut Creek 
> yesterday and impulsively bought them after looking a Blue Lug customer 
> builds the night before)
>
> It's taken a LOT of Newbaums to make all these swaps!  I took the bike out 
> for a long-ish ride on the new bars today with lots of climbing and 
> descents and some good flats. The hand positions were really comfortable 
> and the height of the grips and other positions were perfect.  And they are 
> stout!  The Billie's were good, but I found them to be too flexible for me. 
>  I'm a bigger guy and on a 110 Nitto stem there was just too much movement 
> when I was on the grips.
>
> Anyway, each of the set-ups had things I loved and things I didn't love. 
>  The Albatross bars were great when I was running bar-end shifters, but the 
> hand space felt too crowded when I swapped out to inboard Silver 2 
> shifters.  But they were beautiful and really comfortable with the bar end 
> shifters.  The Spank drops were fantastic with a 30mm Discord stem, but I 
> swapped them out after a bad accident last year that broke my hand (another 
> rider ran into me head on when my hand was on the hood. It took the full 
> force of the impact) and I need a flatter bar during the rehab process and 
> I wanted a hand position that was more protected. The Jones bar was perfect 
> for that purpose.  The Bosco Bullmoose bars were great when I was commuting 
> on the bike everyday before the pandemic, but I didn't like the bulkiness 
> for other types of riding.  And on and on. 
>
> I think I've got a good set up now and I'm hoping I leave it alone for a 
> while, but I'm wondering if it took other folks as much experimenting to 
> get the right results with bar / stem combos on their bikes.  Or is this 
> just part of the fun? Do you have any set ups that you've stayed with for 
> long periods of time?  
>
> I'd love to hear other's stories about restless swapping of parts!  [image: 
> Appa_007.jpg]
> [image: Appa_233.jpg]
> [image: Appa_267.jpg]
> [image: Appa_302.jpg]
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Danny]

Eric, thanks for the stem/bar rundown, very helpful info for me. I'm
currently running a 110mm FacePlater w/ Billies on my Appaloosa, but I've
got the itch to try something different.

And glad to hear my photos encouraged you try out the Suntour thumbies. I
still have them on a couple of bikes and they're working out really well
(and their affordability is a big plus!). I do really like the Riv thumb
mount for the fine tuning of the cable exit angle. I've been considering
attempting to mod one of my Suntour thumbies with additional detent holes
in the perch base to mimic the Riv mount's adjustability. If I do, I'll
start a thread on the bobs list for that project.

-Danny

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 7:17 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Thanks, also, Danny for the inspiring pics a while back of your reverse
> mounted Suntour Power Thumb shifters. I'm loving them set up that way. I
> got mine off a 1985 MB-3 but used they are significantly cheaper than
> Silver 2s and thumb mounts.
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 8:15:47 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Hi Danny — Yes, I went with the Technomic for proper clamp diameter as
>> the Orthos are 26.0. I went with a 12cm stem. My face-plater was an 11cm.
>>
>> I wish the Orthos were 25.4 as others have mentioned. I haven't had any
>> trouble yet with the bars slipping. The bars have a lot of flex. I haven't
>> ridden any trails with them yet and I'm not a rowdy rider. Harder riders
>> have said they "flex like a Rock Shock."
>>
>> They are so wide I have to sort of wiggle the bike to get it in and out
>> of my shed doorway.
>>
>> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 11:22:14 PM UTC-4 Erik wrote:
>>
>>> I thought the reach wasn’t too bad when I ran drops, but I had them set
>>> up on a 50mm and then 30mm stem and had them up pretty high.  You can see
>>> the drops with yellow tape in my first post.  I changed them out because I
>>> got into an accident the broke my hand and wanted a new set up with
>>> different hand positions and wanted the feeling of my hand being
>>> protected.  The Jones H-loop was perfect for that purpose as I could hold
>>> the close side of the loop and my hand was behind the outer loop reducing
>>> the chance I was going to smack my hand on something.  Or have another
>>> rider run into me again and break it.  The drops would not have worked for
>>> my desired riding position with a longer stem.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:11:11 AM UTC-7 Kevin wrote:
>>>
 I've gone through enough cockpits (8?) to wonder if I should just move
 on from the bike. Would be interested to see/hear if people have had
 success with drop bars on the newer Appaloosas. I've got mine to where the
 measurements suggest they should be comfortable and still it feels a little
 long.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Kevin]

Yeah, I started with Soma Oxfords and Jones and I think one of the Crust 
sweeper options before deciding I couldn't handle more than 45 minutes or 
so in that position. Since then it's just been gradually shortening my stem 
and switching to marginally shorter reach drop bars. Have landed on the 
Salsa Cowbell with a 50mm stem.

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:17:08 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, also, Danny for the inspiring pics a while back of your reverse 
> mounted Suntour Power Thumb shifters. I'm loving them set up that way. I 
> got mine off a 1985 MB-3 but used they are significantly cheaper than 
> Silver 2s and thumb mounts. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 8:15:47 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Hi Danny — Yes, I went with the Technomic for proper clamp diameter as 
>> the Orthos are 26.0. I went with a 12cm stem. My face-plater was an 11cm. 
>>
>> I wish the Orthos were 25.4 as others have mentioned. I haven't had any 
>> trouble yet with the bars slipping. The bars have a lot of flex. I haven't 
>> ridden any trails with them yet and I'm not a rowdy rider. Harder riders 
>> have said they "flex like a Rock Shock." 
>>
>> They are so wide I have to sort of wiggle the bike to get it in and out 
>> of my shed doorway. 
>>
>> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 11:22:14 PM UTC-4 Erik wrote:
>>
>>> I thought the reach wasn’t too bad when I ran drops, but I had them set 
>>> up on a 50mm and then 30mm stem and had them up pretty high.  You can see 
>>> the drops with yellow tape in my first post.  I changed them out because I 
>>> got into an accident the broke my hand and wanted a new set up with 
>>> different hand positions and wanted the feeling of my hand being protected. 
>>>  The Jones H-loop was perfect for that purpose as I could hold the close 
>>> side of the loop and my hand was behind the outer loop reducing the chance 
>>> I was going to smack my hand on something.  Or have another rider run into 
>>> me again and break it.  The drops would not have worked for my desired 
>>> riding position with a longer stem.  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:11:11 AM UTC-7 Kevin wrote:
>>>
 I've gone through enough cockpits (8?) to wonder if I should just move 
 on from the bike. Would be interested to see/hear if people have had 
 success with drop bars on the newer Appaloosas. I've got mine to where the 
 measurements suggest they should be comfortable and still it feels a 
 little 
 long.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, also, Danny for the inspiring pics a while back of your reverse 
mounted Suntour Power Thumb shifters. I'm loving them set up that way. I 
got mine off a 1985 MB-3 but used they are significantly cheaper than 
Silver 2s and thumb mounts. 

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 8:15:47 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi Danny — Yes, I went with the Technomic for proper clamp diameter as the 
> Orthos are 26.0. I went with a 12cm stem. My face-plater was an 11cm. 
>
> I wish the Orthos were 25.4 as others have mentioned. I haven't had any 
> trouble yet with the bars slipping. The bars have a lot of flex. I haven't 
> ridden any trails with them yet and I'm not a rowdy rider. Harder riders 
> have said they "flex like a Rock Shock." 
>
> They are so wide I have to sort of wiggle the bike to get it in and out of 
> my shed doorway. 
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 11:22:14 PM UTC-4 Erik wrote:
>
>> I thought the reach wasn’t too bad when I ran drops, but I had them set 
>> up on a 50mm and then 30mm stem and had them up pretty high.  You can see 
>> the drops with yellow tape in my first post.  I changed them out because I 
>> got into an accident the broke my hand and wanted a new set up with 
>> different hand positions and wanted the feeling of my hand being protected. 
>>  The Jones H-loop was perfect for that purpose as I could hold the close 
>> side of the loop and my hand was behind the outer loop reducing the chance 
>> I was going to smack my hand on something.  Or have another rider run into 
>> me again and break it.  The drops would not have worked for my desired 
>> riding position with a longer stem.  
>>
>> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:11:11 AM UTC-7 Kevin wrote:
>>
>>> I've gone through enough cockpits (8?) to wonder if I should just move 
>>> on from the bike. Would be interested to see/hear if people have had 
>>> success with drop bars on the newer Appaloosas. I've got mine to where the 
>>> measurements suggest they should be comfortable and still it feels a little 
>>> long.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Eric Marth]

Hi Danny — Yes, I went with the Technomic for proper clamp diameter as the 
Orthos are 26.0. I went with a 12cm stem. My face-plater was an 11cm. 

I wish the Orthos were 25.4 as others have mentioned. I haven't had any 
trouble yet with the bars slipping. The bars have a lot of flex. I haven't 
ridden any trails with them yet and I'm not a rowdy rider. Harder riders 
have said they "flex like a Rock Shock." 

They are so wide I have to sort of wiggle the bike to get it in and out of 
my shed doorway. 

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 11:22:14 PM UTC-4 Erik wrote:

> I thought the reach wasn’t too bad when I ran drops, but I had them set up 
> on a 50mm and then 30mm stem and had them up pretty high.  You can see the 
> drops with yellow tape in my first post.  I changed them out because I got 
> into an accident the broke my hand and wanted a new set up with different 
> hand positions and wanted the feeling of my hand being protected.  The 
> Jones H-loop was perfect for that purpose as I could hold the close side of 
> the loop and my hand was behind the outer loop reducing the chance I was 
> going to smack my hand on something.  Or have another rider run into me 
> again and break it.  The drops would not have worked for my desired riding 
> position with a longer stem.  
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:11:11 AM UTC-7 Kevin wrote:
>
>> I've gone through enough cockpits (8?) to wonder if I should just move on 
>> from the bike. Would be interested to see/hear if people have had success 
>> with drop bars on the newer Appaloosas. I've got mine to where the 
>> measurements suggest they should be comfortable and still it feels a little 
>> long.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Erik]

I thought the reach wasn’t too bad when I ran drops, but I had them set up 
on a 50mm and then 30mm stem and had them up pretty high.  You can see the 
drops with yellow tape in my first post.  I changed them out because I got 
into an accident the broke my hand and wanted a new set up with different 
hand positions and wanted the feeling of my hand being protected.  The 
Jones H-loop was perfect for that purpose as I could hold the close side of 
the loop and my hand was behind the outer loop reducing the chance I was 
going to smack my hand on something.  Or have another rider run into me 
again and break it.  The drops would not have worked for my desired riding 
position with a longer stem.  

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:11:11 AM UTC-7 Kevin wrote:

> I've gone through enough cockpits (8?) to wonder if I should just move on 
> from the bike. Would be interested to see/hear if people have had success 
> with drop bars on the newer Appaloosas. I've got mine to where the 
> measurements suggest they should be comfortable and still it feels a little 
> long.

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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Brian Turner]

These are some really, really nice Appaloosa setups. Erik, I really love 
the look of those Jones bars on yours in the photo from earlier in the 
thread! And Ken, that's one of the nicest, most practical Appaloosa builds 
I've seen yet. So much inspiration!

-Brian

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:22:36 PM UTC-4 Ken Yokanovich wrote:

> I recently *considered* switching my Appaloosa over to drop bars. That 
> is, until I did some measurements to compare to my 6 other bikes with drop 
> bars. Off the top of my head, I cannot recall the exact measurements, but I 
> would have had to use a 5cm stem to get the bars into a desired position on 
> the Appaloosa. I previously tried and did not like Choco-Moose, currently 
> using and very-much-enjoy the Bosco bars.
>
> 60cm Appaloosa, saddle height 765mm as pictured
> [image: Appaloosa.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:11:11 PM UTC-5 Kevin wrote:
>
>> I've gone through enough cockpits (8?) to wonder if I should just move on 
>> from the bike. Would be interested to see/hear if people have had success 
>> with drop bars on the newer Appaloosas. I've got mine to where the 
>> measurements suggest they should be comfortable and still it feels a little 
>> long.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:03:27 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I'm 6'2, 92-93 pbh. I ride one of the newer 60cm appaloosa's. I have the 
>>> 55mm reneherse knobby fleecer ridge, no toe overlap problems at all. I've 
>>> only run the bike so far with two setups - losco's on a 11cm tallux, and a 
>>> the riv bull moose. I really like both depending on my mood or situation. 
>>> The bullmoose is great when I'm riding more rough off road stuff, and I 
>>> feel like it allows a more aggressive position. Even with the rise I can 
>>> have them set up level with my saddle height, maybe even a little lower 
>>> than. I recently got a pair of bosco's I'd like to try out for an even more 
>>> laidback position than the losco's. The chocomooses look awesome to me, 
>>> maybe one day I'll snag a pair. I'd love to try all the riv handlebars out 
>>> on that bike, just trying to resist the urge to empty my bank account for a 
>>> pair of each...
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 I'm 6'1" (93 PBH) and ride a 2TT 62. I currently have just about maxed 
 it out with 2.25 Thunderburts and have zero overlap. I also wanted to 
 comment on bar swapping. I started with Albatross bars with bar ends. 
 Didn't feel like I had enough hand positions. Moved to Billie's which were 
 excellent. I currently have the Jones Loop Bar with a 31.8 clamp stem. 
 This 
 bar stem combo did a great job of stiffening the front end but I never 
 liked the way they look. I had a desire to return to a traditional Riv 
 aesthetic and will put the Billie's back on. I had sold my Billie bars to 
 a 
 fellow forum member who lives locally. Fortunately for me he has been 
 gracious enough to sell them back to me! This time when I reinstall the 
 Billie's I am going to Paul Thumbies and will try my Fabio's chest on the 
 bars to see how I like that set up. This to me is one of the joys of 
 riding 
 a Rivendell. Always lots of options as to how you set them up. 
 On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:19:52 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> 6'1" with long legs (92pbh). I had a 62 Appaloosa and currently have a 
> 60 Appaloosa. I've never had toe overlap on either. I've used 38's on up 
> to 
> 57's (and 50's with fenders). I would size the frame based on your riding 
> style. If you are thinking drops or either moose and you don't like the 
> bars very upright, I would probably size down. The mooses have a lot of 
> rise built in and you may be limited on how far down you can push them. 
> Not 
> an issue if you want them more upright. Also, in my experience, the 
> Appaloosa prefers tires 50mm+.
>
> Bones
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> Resurrecting an old thread, as I'm lazily pondering an Appaloosa with 
>> a ChocoMoose set-up (if I can find one). How's the toe overlap on this 
>> with 
>> ~50 mm tire? 42 mm tire? Folks who are ~6' tall, what size frame are you 
>> riding? Drop-bar or BullMoose or ChocoMoose? 
>>
>> - Max "who can't stop tinkering" in A2 
>>
>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>
>>> I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
>>> uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards 
>>> position.  I 
>>> switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I 
>>> can 
>>> lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
>>> center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands 
>>> will 
>>> basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am 

[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[brendonoid]

Kevin,
It honestly does sound like you might not be getting on with the frame, or 
that it isn't going to do what you want it to. 
I certainly wouldn't want a drop bar on an Appaloosa. They are way too 
long. I am also at the point in my life where I don't get on with drop bars 
much at all. So my opinion is pretty worthless.
8 cockpits with no success is a lot though.

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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Kevin]

I've gone through enough cockpits (8?) to wonder if I should just move on 
from the bike. Would be interested to see/hear if people have had success 
with drop bars on the newer Appaloosas. I've got mine to where the 
measurements suggest they should be comfortable and still it feels a little 
long.


On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:03:27 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> I'm 6'2, 92-93 pbh. I ride one of the newer 60cm appaloosa's. I have the 
> 55mm reneherse knobby fleecer ridge, no toe overlap problems at all. I've 
> only run the bike so far with two setups - losco's on a 11cm tallux, and a 
> the riv bull moose. I really like both depending on my mood or situation. 
> The bullmoose is great when I'm riding more rough off road stuff, and I 
> feel like it allows a more aggressive position. Even with the rise I can 
> have them set up level with my saddle height, maybe even a little lower 
> than. I recently got a pair of bosco's I'd like to try out for an even more 
> laidback position than the losco's. The chocomooses look awesome to me, 
> maybe one day I'll snag a pair. I'd love to try all the riv handlebars out 
> on that bike, just trying to resist the urge to empty my bank account for a 
> pair of each...
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I'm 6'1" (93 PBH) and ride a 2TT 62. I currently have just about maxed it 
>> out with 2.25 Thunderburts and have zero overlap. I also wanted to comment 
>> on bar swapping. I started with Albatross bars with bar ends. Didn't feel 
>> like I had enough hand positions. Moved to Billie's which were excellent. I 
>> currently have the Jones Loop Bar with a 31.8 clamp stem. This bar stem 
>> combo did a great job of stiffening the front end but I never liked the way 
>> they look. I had a desire to return to a traditional Riv aesthetic and will 
>> put the Billie's back on. I had sold my Billie bars to a fellow forum 
>> member who lives locally. Fortunately for me he has been gracious enough to 
>> sell them back to me! This time when I reinstall the Billie's I am going to 
>> Paul Thumbies and will try my Fabio's chest on the bars to see how I like 
>> that set up. This to me is one of the joys of riding a Rivendell. Always 
>> lots of options as to how you set them up. 
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:19:52 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> 6'1" with long legs (92pbh). I had a 62 Appaloosa and currently have a 
>>> 60 Appaloosa. I've never had toe overlap on either. I've used 38's on up to 
>>> 57's (and 50's with fenders). I would size the frame based on your riding 
>>> style. If you are thinking drops or either moose and you don't like the 
>>> bars very upright, I would probably size down. The mooses have a lot of 
>>> rise built in and you may be limited on how far down you can push them. Not 
>>> an issue if you want them more upright. Also, in my experience, the 
>>> Appaloosa prefers tires 50mm+.
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Resurrecting an old thread, as I'm lazily pondering an Appaloosa with a 
 ChocoMoose set-up (if I can find one). How's the toe overlap on this with 
 ~50 mm tire? 42 mm tire? Folks who are ~6' tall, what size frame are you 
 riding? Drop-bar or BullMoose or ChocoMoose? 

 - Max "who can't stop tinkering" in A2 

 On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
> uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards position.  
> I 
> switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I 
> can 
> lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
> center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands will 
> basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am considering the 
> choco-moose based off this thread.
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:15:49 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with was 
>> the Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The second 
>> handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... but then I 
>> discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my third and 
>> maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect one: 
>> it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
>> cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars to 
>> come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see how 
>> that feels. 
>>
>> Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it 
>> usually means I've completely changed the intention of the build from an 
>> endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
>> better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year 

[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Stephen]

I'm 6'2, 92-93 pbh. I ride one of the newer 60cm appaloosa's. I have the 
55mm reneherse knobby fleecer ridge, no toe overlap problems at all. I've 
only run the bike so far with two setups - losco's on a 11cm tallux, and a 
the riv bull moose. I really like both depending on my mood or situation. 
The bullmoose is great when I'm riding more rough off road stuff, and I 
feel like it allows a more aggressive position. Even with the rise I can 
have them set up level with my saddle height, maybe even a little lower 
than. I recently got a pair of bosco's I'd like to try out for an even more 
laidback position than the losco's. The chocomooses look awesome to me, 
maybe one day I'll snag a pair. I'd love to try all the riv handlebars out 
on that bike, just trying to resist the urge to empty my bank account for a 
pair of each...

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I'm 6'1" (93 PBH) and ride a 2TT 62. I currently have just about maxed it 
> out with 2.25 Thunderburts and have zero overlap. I also wanted to comment 
> on bar swapping. I started with Albatross bars with bar ends. Didn't feel 
> like I had enough hand positions. Moved to Billie's which were excellent. I 
> currently have the Jones Loop Bar with a 31.8 clamp stem. This bar stem 
> combo did a great job of stiffening the front end but I never liked the way 
> they look. I had a desire to return to a traditional Riv aesthetic and will 
> put the Billie's back on. I had sold my Billie bars to a fellow forum 
> member who lives locally. Fortunately for me he has been gracious enough to 
> sell them back to me! This time when I reinstall the Billie's I am going to 
> Paul Thumbies and will try my Fabio's chest on the bars to see how I like 
> that set up. This to me is one of the joys of riding a Rivendell. Always 
> lots of options as to how you set them up. 
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:19:52 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> 6'1" with long legs (92pbh). I had a 62 Appaloosa and currently have a 60 
>> Appaloosa. I've never had toe overlap on either. I've used 38's on up to 
>> 57's (and 50's with fenders). I would size the frame based on your riding 
>> style. If you are thinking drops or either moose and you don't like the 
>> bars very upright, I would probably size down. The mooses have a lot of 
>> rise built in and you may be limited on how far down you can push them. Not 
>> an issue if you want them more upright. Also, in my experience, the 
>> Appaloosa prefers tires 50mm+.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Resurrecting an old thread, as I'm lazily pondering an Appaloosa with a 
>>> ChocoMoose set-up (if I can find one). How's the toe overlap on this with 
>>> ~50 mm tire? 42 mm tire? Folks who are ~6' tall, what size frame are you 
>>> riding? Drop-bar or BullMoose or ChocoMoose? 
>>>
>>> - Max "who can't stop tinkering" in A2 
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>
 I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
 uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards position.  
 I 
 switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I can 
 lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
 center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands will 
 basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am considering the 
 choco-moose based off this thread.
 On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:15:49 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with was 
> the Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The second 
> handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... but then I 
> discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my third and 
> maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect one: 
> it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
> cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars to 
> come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see how 
> that feels. 
>
> Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it 
> usually means I've completely changed the intention of the build from an 
> endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
> better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year rotation it 
> seems. I romanticize spending all day on the saddle, try it, get 
> progressively more bored for the next year and a half, then revert and/or 
> graduate to Albatross bars until I get sick of the headwind on a paved 
> ride 
> in another year and a half!   
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:04:27 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Yep!
>>
>>
>> 

[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Tim Bantham]

I'm 6'1" (93 PBH) and ride a 2TT 62. I currently have just about maxed it 
out with 2.25 Thunderburts and have zero overlap. I also wanted to comment 
on bar swapping. I started with Albatross bars with bar ends. Didn't feel 
like I had enough hand positions. Moved to Billie's which were excellent. I 
currently have the Jones Loop Bar with a 31.8 clamp stem. This bar stem 
combo did a great job of stiffening the front end but I never liked the way 
they look. I had a desire to return to a traditional Riv aesthetic and will 
put the Billie's back on. I had sold my Billie bars to a fellow forum 
member who lives locally. Fortunately for me he has been gracious enough to 
sell them back to me! This time when I reinstall the Billie's I am going to 
Paul Thumbies and will try my Fabio's chest on the bars to see how I like 
that set up. This to me is one of the joys of riding a Rivendell. Always 
lots of options as to how you set them up. 
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:19:52 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> 6'1" with long legs (92pbh). I had a 62 Appaloosa and currently have a 60 
> Appaloosa. I've never had toe overlap on either. I've used 38's on up to 
> 57's (and 50's with fenders). I would size the frame based on your riding 
> style. If you are thinking drops or either moose and you don't like the 
> bars very upright, I would probably size down. The mooses have a lot of 
> rise built in and you may be limited on how far down you can push them. Not 
> an issue if you want them more upright. Also, in my experience, the 
> Appaloosa prefers tires 50mm+.
>
> Bones
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> Resurrecting an old thread, as I'm lazily pondering an Appaloosa with a 
>> ChocoMoose set-up (if I can find one). How's the toe overlap on this with 
>> ~50 mm tire? 42 mm tire? Folks who are ~6' tall, what size frame are you 
>> riding? Drop-bar or BullMoose or ChocoMoose? 
>>
>> - Max "who can't stop tinkering" in A2 
>>
>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>
>>> I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
>>> uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards position.  I 
>>> switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I can 
>>> lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
>>> center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands will 
>>> basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am considering the 
>>> choco-moose based off this thread.
>>> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:15:49 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with was 
 the Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The second 
 handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... but then I 
 discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my third and 
 maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect one: 
 it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
 cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars to 
 come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see how 
 that feels. 

 Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it 
 usually means I've completely changed the intention of the build from an 
 endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
 better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year rotation it 
 seems. I romanticize spending all day on the saddle, try it, get 
 progressively more bored for the next year and a half, then revert and/or 
 graduate to Albatross bars until I get sick of the headwind on a paved 
 ride 
 in another year and a half!   
 On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:04:27 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Yep!
>
>
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135532314029/the-joe-appaloosa-saga-its-a-new-bike
>
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 12:31:54 AM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>
>> Were the choco moose bars original equipment on the first round of 
>> Appaloosas?  
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:10:33 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 186E1CD7-3716-4BE9-A68B-A3B5D6CD2FD2.jpeg]+1 choco moose
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:18:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to 
 albatross to lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars for 
 this 
 bike—choco moose. 
 On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, 
> chocomoose, choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on 
> this 
> bike. At the end of the day I always come back to the chocomoose 
> 

[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Bones]

6'1" with long legs (92pbh). I had a 62 Appaloosa and currently have a 60 
Appaloosa. I've never had toe overlap on either. I've used 38's on up to 
57's (and 50's with fenders). I would size the frame based on your riding 
style. If you are thinking drops or either moose and you don't like the 
bars very upright, I would probably size down. The mooses have a lot of 
rise built in and you may be limited on how far down you can push them. Not 
an issue if you want them more upright. Also, in my experience, the 
Appaloosa prefers tires 50mm+.

Bones

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Resurrecting an old thread, as I'm lazily pondering an Appaloosa with a 
> ChocoMoose set-up (if I can find one). How's the toe overlap on this with 
> ~50 mm tire? 42 mm tire? Folks who are ~6' tall, what size frame are you 
> riding? Drop-bar or BullMoose or ChocoMoose? 
>
> - Max "who can't stop tinkering" in A2 
>
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>
>> I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
>> uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards position.  I 
>> switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I can 
>> lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
>> center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands will 
>> basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am considering the 
>> choco-moose based off this thread.
>> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:15:49 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with was the 
>>> Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The second 
>>> handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... but then I 
>>> discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my third and 
>>> maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect one: 
>>> it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
>>> cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars to 
>>> come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see how 
>>> that feels. 
>>>
>>> Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it 
>>> usually means I've completely changed the intention of the build from an 
>>> endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
>>> better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year rotation it 
>>> seems. I romanticize spending all day on the saddle, try it, get 
>>> progressively more bored for the next year and a half, then revert and/or 
>>> graduate to Albatross bars until I get sick of the headwind on a paved ride 
>>> in another year and a half!   
>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:04:27 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Yep!


 https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135532314029/the-joe-appaloosa-saga-its-a-new-bike

 On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 12:31:54 AM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> Were the choco moose bars original equipment on the first round of 
> Appaloosas?  
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:10:33 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>
>> [image: 186E1CD7-3716-4BE9-A68B-A3B5D6CD2FD2.jpeg]+1 choco moose
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:18:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to 
>>> albatross to lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars for 
>>> this 
>>> bike—choco moose. 
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, 
 chocomoose, choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on this 
 bike. At the end of the day I always come back to the chocomoose 
 though. 
 There is something magical about those bars, at least for me. Great 
 hand 
 positions. I love how they are inverted. And yes, they are tougher and 
 stiffer than other bars 'n stems. They work great with bar end 
 shifters or 
 thumbies. One thing I discovered is that although I think the silver 
 shifters are the best, the clamp is not so great for inboard thumbies. 
 The 
 microshift shifters with paul levers have a nice low profile and don't 
 interrupt your hand positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes I 
 have 
 used a shameful amount for bar swaps over the years. At some point I 
 just 
 started slipping oury grips on the end and leaving the forward grip 
 areas 
 permanently taped. Bike looks great!

 Bones

 On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with a 
> shorter stem than on my other bikes because it has a 

[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Max S]

Resurrecting an old thread, as I'm lazily pondering an Appaloosa with a 
ChocoMoose set-up (if I can find one). How's the toe overlap on this with 
~50 mm tire? 42 mm tire? Folks who are ~6' tall, what size frame are you 
riding? Drop-bar or BullMoose or ChocoMoose? 

- Max "who can't stop tinkering" in A2 

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
> uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards position.  I 
> switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I can 
> lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
> center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands will 
> basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am considering the 
> choco-moose based off this thread.
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:15:49 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with was the 
>> Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The second 
>> handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... but then I 
>> discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my third and 
>> maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect one: 
>> it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
>> cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars to 
>> come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see how 
>> that feels. 
>>
>> Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it 
>> usually means I've completely changed the intention of the build from an 
>> endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
>> better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year rotation it 
>> seems. I romanticize spending all day on the saddle, try it, get 
>> progressively more bored for the next year and a half, then revert and/or 
>> graduate to Albatross bars until I get sick of the headwind on a paved ride 
>> in another year and a half!   
>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:04:27 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Yep!
>>>
>>>
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135532314029/the-joe-appaloosa-saga-its-a-new-bike
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 12:31:54 AM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>>>
 Were the choco moose bars original equipment on the first round of 
 Appaloosas?  

 On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:10:33 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:

> [image: 186E1CD7-3716-4BE9-A68B-A3B5D6CD2FD2.jpeg]+1 choco moose
>
>  
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:18:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to 
>> albatross to lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars for 
>> this 
>> bike—choco moose. 
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, 
>>> chocomoose, choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on this 
>>> bike. At the end of the day I always come back to the chocomoose 
>>> though. 
>>> There is something magical about those bars, at least for me. Great 
>>> hand 
>>> positions. I love how they are inverted. And yes, they are tougher and 
>>> stiffer than other bars 'n stems. They work great with bar end shifters 
>>> or 
>>> thumbies. One thing I discovered is that although I think the silver 
>>> shifters are the best, the clamp is not so great for inboard thumbies. 
>>> The 
>>> microshift shifters with paul levers have a nice low profile and don't 
>>> interrupt your hand positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes I have 
>>> used a shameful amount for bar swaps over the years. At some point I 
>>> just 
>>> started slipping oury grips on the end and leaving the forward grip 
>>> areas 
>>> permanently taped. Bike looks great!
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with a 
 shorter stem than on my other bikes because it has a longer top tube. 
 Brake 
 levers in their normal location, wrapped the bars, haven't changed 
 anything 
 since:
 [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]

 Nick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Friend]

I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards position.  I 
switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I can 
lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands will 
basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am considering the 
choco-moose based off this thread.
On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:15:49 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with was the 
> Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The second 
> handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... but then I 
> discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my third and 
> maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect one: 
> it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
> cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars to 
> come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see how 
> that feels. 
>
> Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it usually 
> means I've completely changed the intention of the build from an 
> endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
> better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year rotation it 
> seems. I romanticize spending all day on the saddle, try it, get 
> progressively more bored for the next year and a half, then revert and/or 
> graduate to Albatross bars until I get sick of the headwind on a paved ride 
> in another year and a half!   
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:04:27 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Yep!
>>
>>
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135532314029/the-joe-appaloosa-saga-its-a-new-bike
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 12:31:54 AM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>>
>>> Were the choco moose bars original equipment on the first round of 
>>> Appaloosas?  
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:10:33 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>>>
 [image: 186E1CD7-3716-4BE9-A68B-A3B5D6CD2FD2.jpeg]+1 choco moose

  

 On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:18:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to 
> albatross to lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars for 
> this 
> bike—choco moose. 
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, 
>> chocomoose, choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on this 
>> bike. At the end of the day I always come back to the chocomoose though. 
>> There is something magical about those bars, at least for me. Great hand 
>> positions. I love how they are inverted. And yes, they are tougher and 
>> stiffer than other bars 'n stems. They work great with bar end shifters 
>> or 
>> thumbies. One thing I discovered is that although I think the silver 
>> shifters are the best, the clamp is not so great for inboard thumbies. 
>> The 
>> microshift shifters with paul levers have a nice low profile and don't 
>> interrupt your hand positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes I have 
>> used a shameful amount for bar swaps over the years. At some point I 
>> just 
>> started slipping oury grips on the end and leaving the forward grip 
>> areas 
>> permanently taped. Bike looks great!
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with a 
>>> shorter stem than on my other bikes because it has a longer top tube. 
>>> Brake 
>>> levers in their normal location, wrapped the bars, haven't changed 
>>> anything 
>>> since:
>>> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Andrew Turner]

Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with was the 
Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The second 
handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... but then I 
discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my third and 
maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect one: 
it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars to 
come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see how 
that feels. 

Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it usually 
means I've completely changed the intention of the build from an 
endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year rotation it 
seems. I romanticize spending all day on the saddle, try it, get 
progressively more bored for the next year and a half, then revert and/or 
graduate to Albatross bars until I get sick of the headwind on a paved ride 
in another year and a half!   
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:04:27 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Yep!
>
>
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135532314029/the-joe-appaloosa-saga-its-a-new-bike
>
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 12:31:54 AM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>
>> Were the choco moose bars original equipment on the first round of 
>> Appaloosas?  
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:10:33 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 186E1CD7-3716-4BE9-A68B-A3B5D6CD2FD2.jpeg]+1 choco moose
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:18:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to 
 albatross to lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars for 
 this 
 bike—choco moose. 
 On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, 
> chocomoose, choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on this 
> bike. At the end of the day I always come back to the chocomoose though. 
> There is something magical about those bars, at least for me. Great hand 
> positions. I love how they are inverted. And yes, they are tougher and 
> stiffer than other bars 'n stems. They work great with bar end shifters 
> or 
> thumbies. One thing I discovered is that although I think the silver 
> shifters are the best, the clamp is not so great for inboard thumbies. 
> The 
> microshift shifters with paul levers have a nice low profile and don't 
> interrupt your hand positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes I have 
> used a shameful amount for bar swaps over the years. At some point I just 
> started slipping oury grips on the end and leaving the forward grip areas 
> permanently taped. Bike looks great!
>
> Bones
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with a 
>> shorter stem than on my other bikes because it has a longer top tube. 
>> Brake 
>> levers in their normal location, wrapped the bars, haven't changed 
>> anything 
>> since:
>> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Johnny Alien]

Yep!

https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135532314029/the-joe-appaloosa-saga-its-a-new-bike

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 12:31:54 AM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> Were the choco moose bars original equipment on the first round of 
> Appaloosas?  
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:10:33 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>
>> [image: 186E1CD7-3716-4BE9-A68B-A3B5D6CD2FD2.jpeg]+1 choco moose
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:18:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to albatross 
>>> to lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars for this 
>>> bike—choco moose. 
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, 
 chocomoose, choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on this 
 bike. At the end of the day I always come back to the chocomoose though. 
 There is something magical about those bars, at least for me. Great hand 
 positions. I love how they are inverted. And yes, they are tougher and 
 stiffer than other bars 'n stems. They work great with bar end shifters or 
 thumbies. One thing I discovered is that although I think the silver 
 shifters are the best, the clamp is not so great for inboard thumbies. The 
 microshift shifters with paul levers have a nice low profile and don't 
 interrupt your hand positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes I have 
 used a shameful amount for bar swaps over the years. At some point I just 
 started slipping oury grips on the end and leaving the forward grip areas 
 permanently taped. Bike looks great!

 Bones

 On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with a shorter 
> stem than on my other bikes because it has a longer top tube. Brake 
> levers 
> in their normal location, wrapped the bars, haven't changed anything 
> since:
> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>
> Nick
>


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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Erik]

Were the choco moose bars original equipment on the first round of 
Appaloosas?  

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:10:33 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:

> [image: 186E1CD7-3716-4BE9-A68B-A3B5D6CD2FD2.jpeg]+1 choco moose
>
>  
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:18:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to albatross 
>> to lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars for this 
>> bike—choco moose. 
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, 
>>> chocomoose, choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on this 
>>> bike. At the end of the day I always come back to the chocomoose though. 
>>> There is something magical about those bars, at least for me. Great hand 
>>> positions. I love how they are inverted. And yes, they are tougher and 
>>> stiffer than other bars 'n stems. They work great with bar end shifters or 
>>> thumbies. One thing I discovered is that although I think the silver 
>>> shifters are the best, the clamp is not so great for inboard thumbies. The 
>>> microshift shifters with paul levers have a nice low profile and don't 
>>> interrupt your hand positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes I have 
>>> used a shameful amount for bar swaps over the years. At some point I just 
>>> started slipping oury grips on the end and leaving the forward grip areas 
>>> permanently taped. Bike looks great!
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with a shorter 
 stem than on my other bikes because it has a longer top tube. Brake levers 
 in their normal location, wrapped the bars, haven't changed anything since:
 [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]

 Nick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Roberta]

Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to albatross to 
lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars for this bike—choco 
moose. 
On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, chocomoose, 
> choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on this bike. At the end 
> of the day I always come back to the chocomoose though. There is something 
> magical about those bars, at least for me. Great hand positions. I love how 
> they are inverted. And yes, they are tougher and stiffer than other bars 'n 
> stems. They work great with bar end shifters or thumbies. One thing I 
> discovered is that although I think the silver shifters are the best, the 
> clamp is not so great for inboard thumbies. The microshift shifters with 
> paul levers have a nice low profile and don't interrupt your hand 
> positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes I have used a shameful amount 
> for bar swaps over the years. At some point I just started slipping oury 
> grips on the end and leaving the forward grip areas permanently taped. Bike 
> looks great!
>
> Bones
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with a shorter 
>> stem than on my other bikes because it has a longer top tube. Brake levers 
>> in their normal location, wrapped the bars, haven't changed anything since:
>> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Bones]

I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, chocomoose, 
choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on this bike. At the end 
of the day I always come back to the chocomoose though. There is something 
magical about those bars, at least for me. Great hand positions. I love how 
they are inverted. And yes, they are tougher and stiffer than other bars 'n 
stems. They work great with bar end shifters or thumbies. One thing I 
discovered is that although I think the silver shifters are the best, the 
clamp is not so great for inboard thumbies. The microshift shifters with 
paul levers have a nice low profile and don't interrupt your hand 
positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes I have used a shameful amount 
for bar swaps over the years. At some point I just started slipping oury 
grips on the end and leaving the forward grip areas permanently taped. Bike 
looks great!

Bones

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with a shorter 
> stem than on my other bikes because it has a longer top tube. Brake levers 
> in their normal location, wrapped the bars, haven't changed anything since:
> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>
> Nick
>

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