Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Damien]

Ryan - YES! That truly makes me feel better about the decision to part with 
it, difficult as it may have been! Please post some pics - so happy it's 
now being really used and loved. Maybe I'll get another Roadini at some 
point to fill the void. Who knows? I have too many bikes according to my 
wife, but that hasn't stopped me yet :)

Patrick - she just turned 3 a few days ago, so to me she's huge (well, 
maybe it's just her 3-year-old attitude that's huge) and growing up far too 
fast. Can't even fathom her going off to college, but luckily I have time. 
She really loves longer rides in the Burley, but only if we have a stuffy 
strapped in the seat beside her, lots of snacks, and we let her collect 
sticks and rocks and snails along the way (???). Oddly enough we just 
bought her her first *real* skateboard for her birthday, somaybe 
our "little" ones are more alike than we thought?

On Thursday, 28 January 2021 at 16:22:35 UTC-5 r.d.o...@gmail.com wrote:

> I can confirm that your Roadini is in good hands Damien ;) I have put a 
> few hundred miles on her and absolutely love the ride and the fit. I've 
> been pulling her onto some hard pack singletrack right along our bike trail 
> system here in ole ABQ and she's holding her own.  No real updates to the 
> build other than swapping out the tires for Jack Brown Blues (was getting 
> sick of the goatheads cutting my rides short...) All my pics are FROM the 
> bike, need to take some glory shots out in the desert 
>
> -Ryan 
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 8:46:06 AM UTC-7 Damien wrote:
>
>> Some photos of my dearly departed Roadini back in spring/summer 2019, 
>> when it had nasty filthy white hoods. From a stroller mission with my 
>> then-small (now-huge) daughter. She used to do this thing where she would 
>> wrestle my bikes, but I think she's grown out of that now. Well, I hope she 
>> has.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 at 14:16:26 UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Here's one on a foggy forest path with a cool tree I found.
>>>
>>> Discovered that previously used Newbaums still sticks well and arguably 
>>> has an even better texture (bumpier) than new.
>>>
>>> Mike 
>>> Austin TX
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:56:26 PM UTC-6 aus...@soundcoop.tv 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So happy with the Dini so far, rides like a dream. It's freezing out 
 which has precluded some longer rides but every mile on it so far has been 
 great. A friend described brifters with cork bar-ends as "chaotic energy", 
 but it's my kind of chaos. Loving all the color symmetry it's got.

 [image: IMG_8532.JPG]

 On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 8:01:25 PM UTC-5 Paul G wrote:

> Interesting how low the seat tube bottle cage mount is. 
>
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>
>> Here's one more then. Nice freezing cold evening ride.[image: 
>> roadini.jpg]
>>
>> Bones
>> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:06:43 PM UTC-5 zem...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Austin, let us know how the bike turned out!
>>>
>>> I'm always on the edge of buying this frame when Riv brings them 
>>> out. Each new positive review brings me a little closer :)
>>>
>>> Zack 
>>> Toronto/DC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:48:01 PM UTC-5 
>>> aus...@soundcoop.tv wrote:
>>>
 I'm in the process of building up my first Riv, a silver Roadini, 
 and this thread has me mighty excited. Thanks all,

 On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:46:01 PM UTC-5 Jeff B wrote:

> Seems I can only post 1 at a time in this thread. Must have been 
> something with the google change,



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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[r.d.o...@gmail.com]

I can confirm that your Roadini is in good hands Damien ;) I have put a few 
hundred miles on her and absolutely love the ride and the fit. I've been 
pulling her onto some hard pack singletrack right along our bike trail 
system here in ole ABQ and she's holding her own.  No real updates to the 
build other than swapping out the tires for Jack Brown Blues (was getting 
sick of the goatheads cutting my rides short...) All my pics are FROM the 
bike, need to take some glory shots out in the desert 

-Ryan 

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 8:46:06 AM UTC-7 Damien wrote:

> Some photos of my dearly departed Roadini back in spring/summer 2019, when 
> it had nasty filthy white hoods. From a stroller mission with my then-small 
> (now-huge) daughter. She used to do this thing where she would wrestle my 
> bikes, but I think she's grown out of that now. Well, I hope she has.
>
> On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 at 14:16:26 UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here's one on a foggy forest path with a cool tree I found.
>>
>> Discovered that previously used Newbaums still sticks well and arguably 
>> has an even better texture (bumpier) than new.
>>
>> Mike 
>> Austin TX
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:56:26 PM UTC-6 aus...@soundcoop.tv 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So happy with the Dini so far, rides like a dream. It's freezing out 
>>> which has precluded some longer rides but every mile on it so far has been 
>>> great. A friend described brifters with cork bar-ends as "chaotic energy", 
>>> but it's my kind of chaos. Loving all the color symmetry it's got.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8532.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 8:01:25 PM UTC-5 Paul G wrote:
>>>
 Interesting how low the seat tube bottle cage mount is. 


 On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:

> Here's one more then. Nice freezing cold evening ride.[image: 
> roadini.jpg]
>
> Bones
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:06:43 PM UTC-5 zem...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Austin, let us know how the bike turned out!
>>
>> I'm always on the edge of buying this frame when Riv brings them out. 
>> Each new positive review brings me a little closer :)
>>
>> Zack 
>> Toronto/DC
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:48:01 PM UTC-5 
>> aus...@soundcoop.tv wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the process of building up my first Riv, a silver Roadini, 
>>> and this thread has me mighty excited. Thanks all,
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:46:01 PM UTC-5 Jeff B wrote:
>>>
 Seems I can only post 1 at a time in this thread. Must have been 
 something with the google change,
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Patrick Moore]

Thank heaven for little girls! If these photos were taken in early/mid
2019, your daughter can't have gotten *really* huge. But the photos remind
me of *my* daughter when she was very small, perhaps a few months older
than yours, and I'd just moved into my present house, 1/4 mile away from
grocery store, 1 mile away from major N/S paved bicycle path connecting to
many other such paths. My prime mover was an early Raleigh Technium sports
tourer with long stays, flexy skinny aluminum tubes glued into crude,
square-cut steel lugs, shod with what were, at the time (2003-4) fat, soft
32 mm Vittoria 700C tires; a real Cadillac ride. I'd pull her in the
doublewide child trailer most Saturday mornings, do some shopping, buy her
a fistful of helium balloons, then head to the bike path.

Now Catie is 5' 7" and a sophomore in her first apartment off campus, and
just bought a $200 skateboard for commuting.

PS: the bike is cute, too.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:46 AM Damien  wrote:

> Some photos of my dearly departed Roadini back in spring/summer 2019, when
> it had nasty filthy white hoods. From a stroller mission with my then-small
> (now-huge) daughter. She used to do this thing where she would wrestle my
> bikes, but I think she's grown out of that now. Well, I hope she has.
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Paul G]

Interesting how low the seat tube bottle cage mount is. 


On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:

> Here's one more then. Nice freezing cold evening ride.[image: roadini.jpg]
>
> Bones
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:06:43 PM UTC-5 zem...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Austin, let us know how the bike turned out!
>>
>> I'm always on the edge of buying this frame when Riv brings them out. 
>> Each new positive review brings me a little closer :)
>>
>> Zack 
>> Toronto/DC
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:48:01 PM UTC-5 aus...@soundcoop.tv 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the process of building up my first Riv, a silver Roadini, and 
>>> this thread has me mighty excited. Thanks all,
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:46:01 PM UTC-5 Jeff B wrote:
>>>
 Seems I can only post 1 at a time in this thread. Must have been 
 something with the google change,
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[zem...@gmail.com]

Austin, let us know how the bike turned out!

I'm always on the edge of buying this frame when Riv brings them out. Each 
new positive review brings me a little closer :)

Zack 
Toronto/DC

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:48:01 PM UTC-5 aus...@soundcoop.tv 
wrote:

> I'm in the process of building up my first Riv, a silver Roadini, and this 
> thread has me mighty excited. Thanks all,
>
> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:46:01 PM UTC-5 Jeff B wrote:
>
>> Seems I can only post 1 at a time in this thread. Must have been 
>> something with the google change,
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Austin Plocher]

I'm in the process of building up my first Riv, a silver Roadini, and this 
thread has me mighty excited. Thanks all,

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:46:01 PM UTC-5 Jeff B wrote:

> Seems I can only post 1 at a time in this thread. Must have been something 
> with the google change,

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Damien]

This conversation is truly making me realize what a fool I was for selling 
my Roadini. 

On Wednesday, 6 January 2021 at 00:11:30 UTC-5 Paul G wrote:

> And wheel/tire weight can make a difference on steering feel too. When I 
> ride my Roadeo unloaded on spirited road rides, I like the more lively 
> turn-in of lightweight 32mm Soma Supple Vitesse tires (250 grams). They 
> allow precise steering adjustment mid-corner due to less gyroscopic force 
> in the wheels. When urban commuting with a rear saddlebag load up to 10 
> lbs, I like Jack Brown Greens which add 100 grams of tire weight per wheel. 
> The added stability counters the weight shift to the rear from the saddle 
> bag (less stable) and makes for a more relaxed, gentle handling which I 
> like when commuting. 
>
> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 12:05:20 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> All the 5 different Rivendells I've ridden (3 road customs, 42.5 and 45 
>> cm stays, early Sam Hill, and 2nd gen Ram) exhibited what I think is a 
>> Grantian quality, unerring stability without sluggish turn-in, though for 
>> me, the first custom was a bit too quick to transition from straight to 
>> turn with the skinniest tires (ie, it was a wee bit twitchy, tho' this with 
>> very light, very short 559 X 22mm 24" wheels; with 32s it was almost 
>> perfect); the Sam had *too much* "corners on rails" feeling -- harder to 
>> adjust line mid-turn; and the Ram felt a bit sedate after the quicker 
>> customs, which are my benchmarks for road bike handling. 
>>
>> There are all sorts of other bikes that are pleasant to ride, but this 
>> quality of stability with "natural" turn-in seems to mark most if not all 
>> of Grant's designs. Note that you can have too much of the "corners as if 
>> on rails" quality, but Grant's best designs seem to have a perfect balance 
>> of stability and quickness. And I realize that taste plays a huge role in 
>> what one finds acceptable and superlative.
>>
>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 12:08 PM Scott Calhoun wrote:
>>
>>> IME, my most confidence inspiring bikes on fast downhills have all had 
>>> longish chainstays (43-45cm) same as the Roadinis. I've not ridden a 
>>> Roadini, but my Ram had that great confidence inspiring handling around 
>>> curves. My Quickbeam is similar. 
>>>
>>> Roadini Curious in Tucson
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 5:22:36 PM UTC-7 lambbo wrote:
>>>
 My experience of the Roadini is that it feels like you're on a rail, 
 like a train car, it just brings you around all the curves and down the 
 hills on a tight line, no wobbling around, with momentum.  It's 
 incredible. 

>>>  
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Paul G]

And wheel/tire weight can make a difference on steering feel too. When I 
ride my Roadeo unloaded on spirited road rides, I like the more lively 
turn-in of lightweight 32mm Soma Supple Vitesse tires (250 grams). They 
allow precise steering adjustment mid-corner due to less gyroscopic force 
in the wheels. When urban commuting with a rear saddlebag load up to 10 
lbs, I like Jack Brown Greens which add 100 grams of tire weight per wheel. 
The added stability counters the weight shift to the rear from the saddle 
bag (less stable) and makes for a more relaxed, gentle handling which I 
like when commuting. 

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 12:05:20 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> All the 5 different Rivendells I've ridden (3 road customs, 42.5 and 45 cm 
> stays, early Sam Hill, and 2nd gen Ram) exhibited what I think is a 
> Grantian quality, unerring stability without sluggish turn-in, though for 
> me, the first custom was a bit too quick to transition from straight to 
> turn with the skinniest tires (ie, it was a wee bit twitchy, tho' this with 
> very light, very short 559 X 22mm 24" wheels; with 32s it was almost 
> perfect); the Sam had *too much* "corners on rails" feeling -- harder to 
> adjust line mid-turn; and the Ram felt a bit sedate after the quicker 
> customs, which are my benchmarks for road bike handling. 
>
> There are all sorts of other bikes that are pleasant to ride, but this 
> quality of stability with "natural" turn-in seems to mark most if not all 
> of Grant's designs. Note that you can have too much of the "corners as if 
> on rails" quality, but Grant's best designs seem to have a perfect balance 
> of stability and quickness. And I realize that taste plays a huge role in 
> what one finds acceptable and superlative.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 12:08 PM Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
>> IME, my most confidence inspiring bikes on fast downhills have all had 
>> longish chainstays (43-45cm) same as the Roadinis. I've not ridden a 
>> Roadini, but my Ram had that great confidence inspiring handling around 
>> curves. My Quickbeam is similar. 
>>
>> Roadini Curious in Tucson
>>
>> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 5:22:36 PM UTC-7 lambbo wrote:
>>
>>> My experience of the Roadini is that it feels like you're on a rail, 
>>> like a train car, it just brings you around all the curves and down the 
>>> hills on a tight line, no wobbling around, with momentum.  It's incredible. 
>>>
>>  
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Dave Grossman]

Since I started the thread, I'll chime in!

I recently acquired a San Marcos and have been debating selling the 
Roadini.  The San Marcos has a bit more clearance and the 59cm is slightly 
better fit for me than the 61 Roadini (I needed a 59 Roadini!).  That being 
said, it is such a great bike and deserves praise.  I am running the same 
tires on my San Marcos as Jeff in the picture and I hadn't even figured it 
would fit on my frame.  I'm sure the Tektro 539's might be a limiting 
factor, but I am curious to try now.

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 2:05:20 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> All the 5 different Rivendells I've ridden (3 road customs, 42.5 and 45 cm 
> stays, early Sam Hill, and 2nd gen Ram) exhibited what I think is a 
> Grantian quality, unerring stability without sluggish turn-in, though for 
> me, the first custom was a bit too quick to transition from straight to 
> turn with the skinniest tires (ie, it was a wee bit twitchy, tho' this with 
> very light, very short 559 X 22mm 24" wheels; with 32s it was almost 
> perfect); the Sam had *too much* "corners on rails" feeling -- harder to 
> adjust line mid-turn; and the Ram felt a bit sedate after the quicker 
> customs, which are my benchmarks for road bike handling. 
>
> There are all sorts of other bikes that are pleasant to ride, but this 
> quality of stability with "natural" turn-in seems to mark most if not all 
> of Grant's designs. Note that you can have too much of the "corners as if 
> on rails" quality, but Grant's best designs seem to have a perfect balance 
> of stability and quickness. And I realize that taste plays a huge role in 
> what one finds acceptable and superlative.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 12:08 PM Scott Calhoun  
> wrote:
>
>> IME, my most confidence inspiring bikes on fast downhills have all had 
>> longish chainstays (43-45cm) same as the Roadinis. I've not ridden a 
>> Roadini, but my Ram had that great confidence inspiring handling around 
>> curves. My Quickbeam is similar. 
>>
>> Roadini Curious in Tucson
>>
>> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 5:22:36 PM UTC-7 lambbo wrote:
>>
>>> My experience of the Roadini is that it feels like you're on a rail, 
>>> like a train car, it just brings you around all the curves and down the 
>>> hills on a tight line, no wobbling around, with momentum.  It's incredible. 
>>>
>>  
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Patrick Moore]

All the 5 different Rivendells I've ridden (3 road customs, 42.5 and 45 cm
stays, early Sam Hill, and 2nd gen Ram) exhibited what I think is a
Grantian quality, unerring stability without sluggish turn-in, though for
me, the first custom was a bit too quick to transition from straight to
turn with the skinniest tires (ie, it was a wee bit twitchy, tho' this with
very light, very short 559 X 22mm 24" wheels; with 32s it was almost
perfect); the Sam had *too much* "corners on rails" feeling -- harder to
adjust line mid-turn; and the Ram felt a bit sedate after the quicker
customs, which are my benchmarks for road bike handling.

There are all sorts of other bikes that are pleasant to ride, but this
quality of stability with "natural" turn-in seems to mark most if not all
of Grant's designs. Note that you can have too much of the "corners as if
on rails" quality, but Grant's best designs seem to have a perfect balance
of stability and quickness. And I realize that taste plays a huge role in
what one finds acceptable and superlative.


On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 12:08 PM Scott Calhoun  wrote:

> IME, my most confidence inspiring bikes on fast downhills have all had
> longish chainstays (43-45cm) same as the Roadinis. I've not ridden a
> Roadini, but my Ram had that great confidence inspiring handling around
> curves. My Quickbeam is similar.
>
> Roadini Curious in Tucson
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 5:22:36 PM UTC-7 lambbo wrote:
>
>> My experience of the Roadini is that it feels like you're on a rail, like
>> a train car, it just brings you around all the curves and down the hills on
>> a tight line, no wobbling around, with momentum.  It's incredible.
>>
>
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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Scott Calhoun]

IME, my most confidence inspiring bikes on fast downhills have all had 
longish chainstays (43-45cm) same as the Roadinis. I've not ridden a 
Roadini, but my Ram had that great confidence inspiring handling around 
curves. My Quickbeam is similar. 

Roadini Curious in Tucson

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 5:22:36 PM UTC-7 lambbo wrote:

> My experience of the Roadini is that it feels like you're on a rail, like 
> a train car, it just brings you around all the curves and down the hills on 
> a tight line, no wobbling around, with momentum.  It's incredible. 
>
>
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 9:56:29 PM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>
>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a 
>> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>
>> Build:
>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>> Deore 9 RD
>> Sora FD
>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>> Schwalbe One 28s
>> Berthoud Saddle
>>
>>
>> I'll get a pic up soon.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[ANDREW ERMAN]

I hope you love yours as much as I do mine.  Superb ride.  Comfortable.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:34 PM Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> I just pre-ordered a 54cm Orange Roadini from Rivendell. I've had only 1
> bike for the last 3 years (Salsa Fargo Ti with Jones bars and Schwalbe
> G-One 27.5 x 2.8 tires) 1 x 11 XT drivetrain and dropper post. I can ride
> it all day long in any terrain and love it. So this is a big deal for me. I
> looked at the Crust Bombora and BMC Road+ but ultimately decided on a Riv.
> Feels good and looking forward to building it up when it arrives.
>
> Bruce in San Diego
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to
>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time
>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant
>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>
>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a
>> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a
>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike
>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a
>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.
>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand
>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>
>> Build:
>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>> Deore 9 RD
>> Sora FD
>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>> Schwalbe One 28s
>> Berthoud Saddle
>>
>>
>> I'll get a pic up soon.
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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Mark Roland]

Good choice! A Roadini will be the perfect compliment to the Fargo. Some 
summer anticipation!

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-4, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> I just pre-ordered a 54cm Orange Roadini from Rivendell. I've had only 1 
> bike for the last 3 years (Salsa Fargo Ti with Jones bars and Schwalbe 
> G-One 27.5 x 2.8 tires) 1 x 11 XT drivetrain and dropper post. I can ride 
> it all day long in any terrain and love it. So this is a big deal for me. I 
> looked at the Crust Bombora and BMC Road+ but ultimately decided on a Riv. 
> Feels good and looking forward to building it up when it arrives.
>
> Bruce in San Diego
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>
>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a 
>> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>
>> Build:
>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>> Deore 9 RD
>> Sora FD
>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>> Schwalbe One 28s
>> Berthoud Saddle
>>
>>
>> I'll get a pic up soon.
>>
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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Bruce Smitham]

I just pre-ordered a 54cm Orange Roadini from Rivendell. I've had only 1 
bike for the last 3 years (Salsa Fargo Ti with Jones bars and Schwalbe 
G-One 27.5 x 2.8 tires) 1 x 11 XT drivetrain and dropper post. I can ride 
it all day long in any terrain and love it. So this is a big deal for me. I 
looked at the Crust Bombora and BMC Road+ but ultimately decided on a Riv. 
Feels good and looking forward to building it up when it arrives.

Bruce in San Diego
On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>
> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a 
> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>
> Build:
> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
> Deore 9 RD
> Sora FD
> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
> Schwalbe One 28s
> Berthoud Saddle
>
>
> I'll get a pic up soon.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Patrick Moore]

My 1973 Motobecane Grand Record had chainstays 44.5 cm long to the center
of the long dropouts, identical in length to those of my later 2 Riv Road
customs.

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Roland 
wrote:

> Grant did not pioneer chainstay lengths in the 44-46cm range. I currently
> have 3 vintage road bicycles, designed to have drop bars positioned below
> the saddle height. Chainstays are 45cm. (I've owned road bikes with 46cm
> chainstays as well, 57-60cm seat tubes). Handling on my bicycles is
> excellent. This chainstay range is not atypical for both racing and "sport"
> bicycles from the 1950s-80s. To imply that the Roadini is not suitable for
> a lower bar position simply because it did not work for you, not sure that
> is a valid conclusion. (Obviously can't get a "super racer" drop, as the
> upslope frame is designed to accommodate higher bar positions--but does not
> preclude lower up to a point, and depending on how one sizes the frame
> initially.)
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:47:02 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I'm not at all faulting your decision to sell your Roadini, but my 2 most
>> recent Road customs have 45 mm stays and define my idea of impeccable
>> handling with bar 3-4 cm below saddle, tho' on 8 cm stems. Dodging potholes
>> is easy! 73* sta, tho' saddle pretty far back on rails.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Mark Roland]

Grant did not pioneer chainstay lengths in the 44-46cm range. I currently 
have 3 vintage road bicycles, designed to have drop bars positioned below 
the saddle height. Chainstays are 45cm. (I've owned road bikes with 46cm 
chainstays as well, 57-60cm seat tubes). Handling on my bicycles is 
excellent. This chainstay range is not atypical for both racing and "sport" 
bicycles from the 1950s-80s. To imply that the Roadini is not suitable for 
a lower bar position simply because it did not work for you, not sure that 
is a valid conclusion. (Obviously can't get a "super racer" drop, as the 
upslope frame is designed to accommodate higher bar positions--but does not 
preclude lower up to a point, and depending on how one sizes the frame 
initially.)


On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:47:02 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm not at all faulting your decision to sell your Roadini, but my 2 most 
> recent Road customs have 45 mm stays and define my idea of impeccable 
> handling with bar 3-4 cm below saddle, tho' on 8 cm stems. Dodging potholes 
> is easy! 73* sta, tho' saddle pretty far back on rails.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:44 PM Matt Dreher <99m...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I've harped a lot about my travails with my 61 Roadini on here and on 
>> iBOB, and having just sold it I may as well bring it up for the last time 
>> because I think it's important to know why you love something.
>>
>> What makes the Roadini so special is the chainstay length, running from 
>> 45 to 46cm and rising 5mm every size. Mine didn't work out for me because I 
>> started wanting to take a very un-Rivendell fit with my bars about level 
>> with the saddle and a 100mm stem. That put my center of mass way further 
>> forward than it would otherwise, which I found had really adverse effects 
>> on my handling. Small position changes like avoiding potholes felt like 
>> they were two consecutive motions instead of one and I felt my rear 
>> reaching its limit of traction under hard cornering too easily. After I got 
>> a bike with 41.5 stays I realized that that's what was going on, I was 
>> taking a position that loaded up my front wheel more and took too much 
>> weight off the back than what Grant was designing for.
>>
>> That's also what makes it so good for a position that puts your bars 
>> significantly higher than the saddle. If I were to try that upright 
>> Rivendell position on that 41.5-stay bike it would feel awful, far too 
>> light in the front because there's so much weight on the rear wheel. With 
>> the Roadini taking an upright position is fine because the geometry lets 
>> you maintain a neutral weight distribution and good handling.
>>
>> I'm not sorry I owned it, it was a wonderful bike and it taught me a lot 
>> about how geometry can imply a certain fit. Glad you're all enjoying yours 
>> so much!
>>
>> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 8:56:29 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
>>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
>>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
>>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>>
>>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has 
>>> a terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
>>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
>>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
>>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
>>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
>>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>>
>>> Build:
>>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>>> Deore 9 RD
>>> Sora FD
>>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>>> Schwalbe One 28s
>>> Berthoud Saddle
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll get a pic up soon.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Patrick Moore]

I'm not at all faulting your decision to sell your Roadini, but my 2 most
recent Road customs have 45 mm stays and define my idea of impeccable
handling with bar 3-4 cm below saddle, tho' on 8 cm stems. Dodging potholes
is easy! 73* sta, tho' saddle pretty far back on rails.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:44 PM Matt Dreher <99m...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've harped a lot about my travails with my 61 Roadini on here and on
> iBOB, and having just sold it I may as well bring it up for the last time
> because I think it's important to know why you love something.
>
> What makes the Roadini so special is the chainstay length, running from 45
> to 46cm and rising 5mm every size. Mine didn't work out for me because I
> started wanting to take a very un-Rivendell fit with my bars about level
> with the saddle and a 100mm stem. That put my center of mass way further
> forward than it would otherwise, which I found had really adverse effects
> on my handling. Small position changes like avoiding potholes felt like
> they were two consecutive motions instead of one and I felt my rear
> reaching its limit of traction under hard cornering too easily. After I got
> a bike with 41.5 stays I realized that that's what was going on, I was
> taking a position that loaded up my front wheel more and took too much
> weight off the back than what Grant was designing for.
>
> That's also what makes it so good for a position that puts your bars
> significantly higher than the saddle. If I were to try that upright
> Rivendell position on that 41.5-stay bike it would feel awful, far too
> light in the front because there's so much weight on the rear wheel. With
> the Roadini taking an upright position is fine because the geometry lets
> you maintain a neutral weight distribution and good handling.
>
> I'm not sorry I owned it, it was a wonderful bike and it taught me a lot
> about how geometry can imply a certain fit. Glad you're all enjoying yours
> so much!
>
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 8:56:29 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to
>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time
>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant
>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>
>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a
>> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a
>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike
>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a
>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.
>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand
>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>
>> Build:
>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>> Deore 9 RD
>> Sora FD
>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>> Schwalbe One 28s
>> Berthoud Saddle
>>
>>
>> I'll get a pic up soon.
>>
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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Dave Grossman]

That's a great analysis Matt.  I totally agree.  It feels strange being on a 
road bike with bars up but it handles so well.

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Matt Dreher]

I've harped a lot about my travails with my 61 Roadini on here and on iBOB, 
and having just sold it I may as well bring it up for the last time because 
I think it's important to know why you love something.

What makes the Roadini so special is the chainstay length, running from 45 
to 46cm and rising 5mm every size. Mine didn't work out for me because I 
started wanting to take a very un-Rivendell fit with my bars about level 
with the saddle and a 100mm stem. That put my center of mass way further 
forward than it would otherwise, which I found had really adverse effects 
on my handling. Small position changes like avoiding potholes felt like 
they were two consecutive motions instead of one and I felt my rear 
reaching its limit of traction under hard cornering too easily. After I got 
a bike with 41.5 stays I realized that that's what was going on, I was 
taking a position that loaded up my front wheel more and took too much 
weight off the back than what Grant was designing for.

That's also what makes it so good for a position that puts your bars 
significantly higher than the saddle. If I were to try that upright 
Rivendell position on that 41.5-stay bike it would feel awful, far too 
light in the front because there's so much weight on the rear wheel. With 
the Roadini taking an upright position is fine because the geometry lets 
you maintain a neutral weight distribution and good handling.

I'm not sorry I owned it, it was a wonderful bike and it taught me a lot 
about how geometry can imply a certain fit. Glad you're all enjoying yours 
so much!

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 8:56:29 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>
> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a 
> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>
> Build:
> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
> Deore 9 RD
> Sora FD
> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
> Schwalbe One 28s
> Berthoud Saddle
>
>
> I'll get a pic up soon.
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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Robert Gardner]

Have to agree. I have a 2x1 roadini that it looks like the folks at Riv built 
up for fun (33 1/3 Jack Browns are nice!) — I added towel crust rack bars on 
it, front dynamo, rear swift zeitgeist (with Carradice rack for quick 
breakaway...) and I’ve been riding pretty much everything in and around DC 
pretty much every day since. Have done a few longer rides 50/60 mile rides and 
it is just as sweet heading to the store at the top of my street.

Stable, responsive, quick power transfer and...it’s just a gorgeous bike. 

Strong recommend. It’s my second Riv but I am riding it more than any other 
bike these days. 

Rg in DC  

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> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Dave Grossman  wrote:
> 
> 
> It is the social distancing bike of choice!  Less road traffic, other than 
> drag racing morons, and no one to breathe upon me!
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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Daniel D.]

That's what I told a lady espousing you're only supposed to walk for exercise 
not ride your bike.  Besides explaining biking is allowed.  I also shared my 
theory of biking being better...  

People are bad at self distancing.  I still see some congregated at crosswalks 
or entranceways etc.  Because that's their usual habit.  But they're not used 
to walking up to a bicyclist in the road :p

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Dave Grossman]

It is the social distancing bike of choice!  Less road traffic, other than 
drag racing morons, and no one to breathe upon me!

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[André P]

Totally agree that the Roadini is an awesome bike. I built mine up last 
summer but didn't put too much time on it because I still defaulted to 
mostly mixed terrain rides on my Hillborne. But, it's gotten a lot of 
mileage during social distancing cause it's way easier on the road to keep 
that 6 ft going. It really turns beautifully, very confidence inspiring 
even though it took a number of rides to get used to riding drops again and 
despite having a by road biking standards relaxed position it took some 
getting used to coming from an upright choco setup. Being able to have 35mm 
tires on a road bike is radical. Also for shorter pbh folks they get 
clearance for 42's on the 47cm frame. I think it's because the 47 uses the 
more standard riv fork crown that has wider spacing. There's tons of room 
in chainstays for a bigger tire from my eye on my 50 but it's limited up 
front at the fork.

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On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 5:22:36 PM UTC-7, lambbo wrote:
>
> My experience of the Roadini is that it feels like you're on a rail, like 
> a train car, it just brings you around all the curves and down the hills on 
> a tight line, no wobbling around, with momentum.  It's incredible. 
>
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 9:56:29 PM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>
>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a 
>> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>
>> Build:
>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>> Deore 9 RD
>> Sora FD
>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>> Schwalbe One 28s
>> Berthoud Saddle
>>
>>
>> I'll get a pic up soon.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[lambbo]

My experience of the Roadini is that it feels like you're on a rail, like a 
train car, it just brings you around all the curves and down the hills on a 
tight line, no wobbling around, with momentum.  It's incredible. 

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 9:56:29 PM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>
> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a 
> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>
> Build:
> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
> Deore 9 RD
> Sora FD
> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
> Schwalbe One 28s
> Berthoud Saddle
>
>
> I'll get a pic up soon.
>

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