[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Broccoli Cog]

Beautiful bike Bill. I love the way you have it set up!!

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 2:17:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> I love my Joe Appaloosa.  It is a freaking great bike.  I did my 35 mile 
> hilly commute to work again today and I just love how I can ride as hard as 
> I like and still arrive at work fresh.  I'm not saying the Joe Appaloosa is 
> a club race bike, and I'm not saying you will be able to keep up with your 
> road-bike friends on group rides.  I'm not even suggesting that you will 
> match your personal bests on Strava.  What I am saying is that the Joe 
> Appaloosa is remarkably easy to ride.  It is stable and predictable, yet 
> plenty maneuverable and agile.  When it's loaded, it takes some effort to 
> get it moving, but once it gets moving it keeps moving.  It poured 
> yesterday, and I bombed the wet roads with my fat tires with no concerns. 
>  My front-load setup continues to work great.  I confess I did change out 
> the Sun Race shifters (which I like) with the short and stubby Silvers that 
> come as part of the IRD Silver SOS Shifters 
>  (which I love).  On my ride 
> through Hayward, I pass Tennyson Park, which has a small skate park.   I've 
> often thought of riding my Rivendell timidly on the ramps and such, and 
> did, very timidly.  
>
>
> 
>
> Joe shreds?
>
>
> Now my Want to Scavenge part of my post:
>
>
> You bought a 58cm Joe Appaloosa.  You are a crank arm length zealot and 
> you only ride 175s.  You can't stand that your 58cm Joe Appaloosa came with 
> weird 173mm crankarms, and want to change them out, and are grumpy that 
> your complete bike is now going to cost you more to make perfect.  Sell 
> your 173mm Silver crankset AND bottom bracket.  I offer to pay $140 shipped 
> (to El Cerrito CA) for a set of 173s.  
>  
> You bought a 700c wheeled Joe Appaloosa.  You are a "supple tire" zealot 
> and only ride tires that are Jan-approved.  You can't stand that your Joe 
> Appaloosa came with "stout" tires, and are grumpy that your complete bike 
> is now going to cost you more to make perfect.  Sell your Kenda Kwick 
> Bitumin tires to me.  I offer to pay $60 shipped for a pair.  
>
> Bill call-me-Joe Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi Mark, I live in the Saratoga Springs area and would love to come down 
for a Rivish get together! 

Tim

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 11:38:39 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Would love to get a Rivish ride/get together around the gateway to the 
> Hudson Highlands. Stay tuned! (And really, I didn't mean to be so blunt. 
> Not to put too fine a point on it, but you did pretty good for a 
> pencil-sharpening dilettante!) 
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-4, William R. wrote:
>>
>> Ha! Good one Mark! I personally artisanally sharpened that pencil for the 
>> soul purpose of using it as a pointer in that photo! Sub-optimal indeed...
>>
>> When I say it locked up, I mean it became effectively a fixed gear. I 
>> could not get it undone from that condition until I returned home and took 
>> it apart. It has not locked up like that since.
>>
>> Bill in Westchester, NY (Yes, not too far south from you. We should meet 
>> up and compare our Rivs sometime, I would like to see a Clem in the wild.)
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Josh Imler]

I purchased an Appaloosa frame on Monday. I'll currently prepping the frame 
with BoeShield. I'll post pictures when things progress. I'm happy to be 
part of the RBW Owners Bunch!

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 11:17:44 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> I love my Joe Appaloosa.  It is a freaking great bike.  I did my 35 mile 
> hilly commute to work again today and I just love how I can ride as hard as 
> I like and still arrive at work fresh.  I'm not saying the Joe Appaloosa is 
> a club race bike, and I'm not saying you will be able to keep up with your 
> road-bike friends on group rides.  I'm not even suggesting that you will 
> match your personal bests on Strava.  What I am saying is that the Joe 
> Appaloosa is remarkably easy to ride.  It is stable and predictable, yet 
> plenty maneuverable and agile.  When it's loaded, it takes some effort to 
> get it moving, but once it gets moving it keeps moving.  It poured 
> yesterday, and I bombed the wet roads with my fat tires with no concerns. 
>  My front-load setup continues to work great.  I confess I did change out 
> the Sun Race shifters (which I like) with the short and stubby Silvers that 
> come as part of the IRD Silver SOS Shifters 
>  (which I love).  On my ride 
> through Hayward, I pass Tennyson Park, which has a small skate park.   I've 
> often thought of riding my Rivendell timidly on the ramps and such, and 
> did, very timidly.  
>
>
> 
>
> Joe shreds?
>
>
> Now my Want to Scavenge part of my post:
>
>
> You bought a 58cm Joe Appaloosa.  You are a crank arm length zealot and 
> you only ride 175s.  You can't stand that your 58cm Joe Appaloosa came with 
> weird 173mm crankarms, and want to change them out, and are grumpy that 
> your complete bike is now going to cost you more to make perfect.  Sell 
> your 173mm Silver crankset AND bottom bracket.  I offer to pay $140 shipped 
> (to El Cerrito CA) for a set of 173s.  
>  
> You bought a 700c wheeled Joe Appaloosa.  You are a "supple tire" zealot 
> and only ride tires that are Jan-approved.  You can't stand that your Joe 
> Appaloosa came with "stout" tires, and are grumpy that your complete bike 
> is now going to cost you more to make perfect.  Sell your Kenda Kwick 
> Bitumin tires to me.  I offer to pay $60 shipped for a pair.  
>
> Bill call-me-Joe Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Mark Reimer]

Oh whoa, I didn't realize that. That is an odd hub design. Man bummer!!

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Mark
>
> That's the problem.  That grooved up mess IS THE HUBSHELL.  It is
> inextricably the hub body itself.  The replaceable freehub body is steel
> and looks perfect.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 2:02:38 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Yikes Can you purchase an entire freehub replacement? I did that with
>> a Phil Wood hub before
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Bill Lindsay]

Mark

That's the problem.  That grooved up mess IS THE HUBSHELL.  It is 
inextricably the hub body itself.  The replaceable freehub body is steel 
and looks perfect.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 2:02:38 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Yikes Can you purchase an entire freehub replacement? I did that with 
> a Phil Wood hub before
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Mike Shaljian]

You wouldn't believe how (actually) useful a Hope hub is for waking people out 
of a smartphone zombie state. Super useful for riding through congested areas 
on college campuses or for alerting hikers on trails. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Mark Reimer]

Yikes Can you purchase an entire freehub replacement? I did that with a
Phil Wood hub before

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Bill In Westchester
>
> Short answer, I assume there was a loose body floating around and that
> caused the jam, and the groove is the result of that jam.  Whatever that
> loose body was, you cleaned it out when you cleaned out the grease.  The
> Mavic Crossmax rear wheel that I just tried to fix has extreme grooving in
> a regular pattern around the hub shell which was originally smooth
>
>
>
> 
>
> What you are looking at is the recess where one of two pawls would sit,
> and the grooved surface to the right of that recess is supposed to be
> smooth.  Something broke off or got in there and got dragged around the
> hubshell making that nasty groove pattern.  The pawls themselves are
> damaged, and I assume that bits of metal that broke off these pawls was
> what got dragged around.  I'm going to replace them with some aftermarket
> pawls that are marketed as being superior to the stock Mavic parts.  I'd
> guess that it's 50/50 that it will work, and this kid (one of my
> high-school bike racers) might have to spring for a new rear wheel.  If I
> can get the new pawls to stay put, and they remain in one piece, though, it
> should work for another season or two.  It will be on my offseason
> checklist to check this kid's freehub again.
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito Gauchos Team Mechanic
>
> El Cerrito CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 6:45:17 AM UTC-7, William R. wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill. I too have been admiring the construction of the rear hub. And
>> the ease of taking it apart. I had a problem though. I needed to take mine
>> apart because on my first ride the rear freewheel mechanism locked up. When
>> I took it apart and looked at the pawls I was amazed that there were six of
>> them! Very nice. I think it jammed because there was some very sticky white
>> grease on the pawls. I cleaned it out with wd-40, let it dry and applied
>> chain oil. I
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[William R.]

Whoa. That's a whole different take on a freewheel. I've never had to deal 
with one like that. I have an Aksium rear wheel kicking around that I don't 
use. I wonder if it's the same kind of design.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Bill Lindsay]

Bill In Westchester

Short answer, I assume there was a loose body floating around and that 
caused the jam, and the groove is the result of that jam.  Whatever that 
loose body was, you cleaned it out when you cleaned out the grease.  The 
Mavic Crossmax rear wheel that I just tried to fix has extreme grooving in 
a regular pattern around the hub shell which was originally smooth




What you are looking at is the recess where one of two pawls would sit, and 
the grooved surface to the right of that recess is supposed to be smooth. 
 Something broke off or got in there and got dragged around the hubshell 
making that nasty groove pattern.  The pawls themselves are damaged, and I 
assume that bits of metal that broke off these pawls was what got dragged 
around.  I'm going to replace them with some aftermarket pawls that are 
marketed as being superior to the stock Mavic parts.  I'd guess that it's 
50/50 that it will work, and this kid (one of my high-school bike racers) 
might have to spring for a new rear wheel.  If I can get the new pawls to 
stay put, and they remain in one piece, though, it should work for another 
season or two.  It will be on my offseason checklist to check this kid's 
freehub again.  


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito Gauchos Team Mechanic

El Cerrito CA



On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 6:45:17 AM UTC-7, William R. wrote:
>
> Hi Bill. I too have been admiring the construction of the rear hub. And 
> the ease of taking it apart. I had a problem though. I needed to take mine 
> apart because on my first ride the rear freewheel mechanism locked up. When 
> I took it apart and looked at the pawls I was amazed that there were six of 
> them! Very nice. I think it jammed because there was some very sticky white 
> grease on the pawls. I cleaned it out with wd-40, let it dry and applied 
> chain oil. I 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Would love to get a Rivish ride/get together around the gateway to the 
Hudson Highlands. Stay tuned! (And really, I didn't mean to be so blunt. 
Not to put too fine a point on it, but you did pretty good for a 
pencil-sharpening dilettante!) 

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-4, William R. wrote:
>
> Ha! Good one Mark! I personally artisanally sharpened that pencil for the 
> soul purpose of using it as a pointer in that photo! Sub-optimal indeed...
>
> When I say it locked up, I mean it became effectively a fixed gear. I 
> could not get it undone from that condition until I returned home and took 
> it apart. It has not locked up like that since.
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY (Yes, not too far south from you. We should meet 
> up and compare our Rivs sometime, I would like to see a Clem in the wild.)
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Lungimsam]

Maybe he will have tire inflating episode on Nat Geo one day. Perhaps that 
requires too many movements for a deep analysis.

Maybe a "Raising your kick stand" episode. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[William R.]

@ Mark Reimer: It was very clean when I took the hub apart. Besides the 
white grease (which was very minimal), it was as you would expect a new hub 
to look, very clean and new. There was nothing loose in there. But I do 
want to open it up again and inspect the ratchet ring, maybe I missed 
something there. It is working well now though and I'm having great rides 
on this awesome new bike!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[William R.]

Ha! Good one Mark! I personally artisanally sharpened that pencil for the 
soul purpose of using it as a pointer in that photo! Sub-optimal indeed...

When I say it locked up, I mean it became effectively a fixed gear. I could 
not get it undone from that condition until I returned home and took it 
apart. It has not locked up like that since.

Bill in Westchester, NY (Yes, not too far south from you. We should meet up 
and compare our Rivs sometime, I would like to see a Clem in the wild.)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Mark Reimer]

I can't imagine how anything in there could cause that groove. The pawls 
can't move any direction other than in/out. MAYBE if some kind of debris 
got in there, or if you chipped a tooth on a pawl or the ratchet ring, 
perhaps that was smashed into the hub body while under load. Any sign of 
broken teeth anywhere?? Very curious. 

Nice freehub design though. It's very similar to Industry Nine, which Paul 
uses in their RHUBs. 6 pawls, each with multiple points of engagement, 
makes for a buzzy hub but very quick engagement and a nice distribution of 
the load. Not sure if you can do this or not, but Industry Nine says you 
can remove three of the six pawls if you want, which makes it quieter and 
less drag, while sacrificing the 'immediate' engagement a bit. I personally 
have no idea why anyone would want to do that, but to each their own. 

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 8:45:17 AM UTC-5, William R. wrote:
>
> Hi Bill. I too have been admiring the construction of the rear hub. And 
> the ease of taking it apart. I had a problem though. I needed to take mine 
> apart because on my first ride the rear freewheel mechanism locked up. When 
> I took it apart and looked at the pawls I was amazed that there were six of 
> them! Very nice. I think it jammed because there was some very sticky white 
> grease on the pawls. I cleaned it out with wd-40, let it dry and applied 
> chain oil. I use chainsaw bar chain oil. The hub operates beautifully now. 
> I noticed when I had the hub opened up that one of the areas between the 
> pawls had a grove in it (see photo). Actually, on closer inspection of the 
> photo I see a smaller second groove closer to the pawl on the right. I 
> wonder if this was a result of the jam or the cause. Or was it the grease? 
> I feel like the grease had something to do with it. Could one or two of the 
> ratchet gears get caught there like that? The photo was taken after I 
> cleaned the grease out. Everything is working well now and I've been riding 
> it a lot since this happened. I can't really wrap my head around what could 
> have happened there. Any thoughts? Anyone?
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Lungimsam]

Wow. Amazing what it takes to make a bike.
Look at all those teensie parts, clips, grooves, etc.

Puts a new light on " I cant find the source of the creaking my bike makes.".

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't want to be too critical here, Bill, or wander off topic, but the 
point on your pencil is...sub-optimal, to put it politely. We have a guy 
here in town that specializes in this, might be worth a look. You are just 
a bit south of us.

http://www.artisanalpencilsharpening.com/

When you say the mech locked up, do you mean it came to a complete and 
final halt, or it temporarily froze up and then released, only to do it 
again intermittently? Also, does anyone know if these are the same hubs 
that came stock on the Clems as well?

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 9:45:17 AM UTC-4, William R. wrote:
>
> Hi Bill. I too have been admiring the construction of the rear hub. And 
> the ease of taking it apart. I had a problem though. I needed to take mine 
> apart because on my first ride the rear freewheel mechanism locked up. When 
> I took it apart and looked at the pawls I was amazed that there were six of 
> them! Very nice. I think it jammed because there was some very sticky white 
> grease on the pawls. I cleaned it out with wd-40, let it dry and applied 
> chain oil. I use chainsaw bar chain oil. The hub operates beautifully now. 
> I noticed when I had the hub opened up that one of the areas between the 
> pawls had a grove in it (see photo). Actually, on closer inspection of the 
> photo I see a smaller second groove closer to the pawl on the right. I 
> wonder if this was a result of the jam or the cause. Or was it the grease? 
> I feel like the grease had something to do with it. Could one or two of the 
> ratchet gears get caught there like that? The photo was taken after I 
> cleaned the grease out. Everything is working well now and I've been riding 
> it a lot since this happened. I can't really wrap my head around what could 
> have happened there. Any thoughts? Anyone?
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[William R.]

Hi Bill. I too have been admiring the construction of the rear hub. And the 
ease of taking it apart. I had a problem though. I needed to take mine 
apart because on my first ride the rear freewheel mechanism locked up. When 
I took it apart and looked at the pawls I was amazed that there were six of 
them! Very nice. I think it jammed because there was some very sticky white 
grease on the pawls. I cleaned it out with wd-40, let it dry and applied 
chain oil. I use chainsaw bar chain oil. The hub operates beautifully now. 
I noticed when I had the hub opened up that one of the areas between the 
pawls had a grove in it (see photo). Actually, on closer inspection of the 
photo I see a smaller second groove closer to the pawl on the right. I 
wonder if this was a result of the jam or the cause. Or was it the grease? 
I feel like the grease had something to do with it. Could one or two of the 
ratchet gears get caught there like that? The photo was taken after I 
cleaned the grease out. Everything is working well now and I've been riding 
it a lot since this happened. I can't really wrap my head around what could 
have happened there. Any thoughts? Anyone?

Bill in Westchester, NY



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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Bill Lindsay]

"It's also been mentioned (in some thread about Joes) that the rear hub 
is loud. It's not the loudest I've heard, but it is louder than 
average. Personally I find this to be a feature, since you can stop 
pedaling a bit when coming up behind people and they may hear you 
coming. It's less alarming than a bell. "

Back to rear hubs.  This one is amazingly easy to take apart.  From the 
moment my Appaloosa was hanging on its hook, pre-overhaul, to the moment it 
was hanging back up after I was done, was maybe 5 minutes.  It comes apart 
with two 5mm allen keys and one 10mm allen key.

1.  Drop the rear wheel
2.  Pull the cassette (optional)
3.  Use the two 5mm keys to unscrew and remove one endcap
4.  10mm key goes in the exposed axle, and a 5mm unscrews the other endcap
5.  Pull the freehub body off with your hands to expose the pawls which 
live in the hubshell.  The drive ring is part of the freehub body

I used Finish Line Wet chain lube to quiet it down just a little, and threw 
it back together.  Super easy.

Anyway, the notable highlight that really struck me was in contrast to the 
high end Mavic wheels I've overhauled recently for the race team.  One set 
of Crossmax and one set of Ksyrium.  Both these really expensive Mavic 
wheels have exactly two pawls for freehub engagement.  Each pawl engages 
with one notch in the driveshell.  This Silver hub has SIX pawls, and each 
of those six pawls engages with two notches.  It's a much nicer design.  I 
know Rivendell didn't design it, but it's a solid design and I'm glad they 
selected it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Ryan Fleming]

The Eno's not that bad...you can hear it, though

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 12:55:33 PM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote:
>
> Check out the solid sounding frequencies coming from a White Industries 
> freewheel some time, it's an amazing clear the wayer/faux motor rumbler
> -Kai 
> Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Patrick Kelly]

"Loud pawls save pals" ?

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:16 AM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Loud pawls save lives or something like that.
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Kainalu  wrote:
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>> freewheel some time, it's an amazing clear the wayer/faux motor rumbler
>> -Kai
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[cyclotourist]

Loud pawls save lives or something like that.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Kainalu  wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Kainalu]

Check out the solid sounding frequencies coming from a White Industries 
freewheel some time, it's an amazing clear the wayer/faux motor rumbler
-Kai 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Lungimsam]

Louder pawls make the bike coast faster! ;)

I like the sound of my Deore and Velocity hubs. They arent too loud. I like to 
hear them tick when Im coasting. Feels good.

Once I heard a person with a very loud and plasticy sounding hub. I wouldnt 
want to ride with that one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Tim Gavin]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Patrick Kelly  wrote:

>
>
> It's also been mentioned (in some thread about Joes) that the rear hub
> is loud. It's not the loudest I've heard, but it is louder than
> average. Personally I find this to be a feature, since you can stop
> pedaling a bit when coming up behind people and they may hear you
> coming. It's less alarming than a bell.
>
>
FYI, you can quiet most hubs by putting a tiny bit of oil or light grease
on the pawls (after removing the cassette and freehub).  Phil's Tenacious
oil is about perfect for this application.

The product description of the Silver Hubs
 says:
"They disassemble easily, so you can -- if you want to--add more grease to
the pawls and silence them even more."

I bought the Velo Orange Grand Cru touring hub, and found it to be pretty
loud as well.  I added a tiny pea-sized dab of grease to each pawl and it's
much quieter.  Be careful with grease; too much of it can make the pawl
springs sticky and ineffective.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Kainalu]

I wish I could experience the Appaloosa, but I'm out of proportion for it. 
Excited for it's huge cousin Clem coming out this summer, looking forward 
to a ridiculously? long wheelbase.
Anyways, I wanted to back you on the loud freewheel thing being a plus. I 
had an Ultegra ultrastealth bird watching hub for awhile and found myself 
having to ding all the time, now with a cheaper/louder/stronger Deore I can 
lay off the bell.
-Kai
Brooklyn 

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 10:19:19 PM UTC-4, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> This may sound trite, but I'm gonna jump to amplify one word Bill 
> used: easy. Riding my Appaloosa also struck me also as being "easy". 
> It's a word that came to me when riding mine, but it sounds too 
> trivial, almost, to speak of. I suspect that riding in a more upright 
> position affects my riding attitude. I feel less aggressive, and more 
> relaxed. But, I did find it was easy to go quick, too. I expect to 
> find that my Joe will be at least as fast as my old bike (which is 
> fairly tank-like). 
>
> Relative to handling, I found that it was not a big deal. I'm not a 
> super-cyclist by any means, but when people see the super long 
> chainstay, they assume it's got to ride differently. My friend and I 
> compared wheelbases between his bombadil and my joe app. His wheelbase 
> is actually a fraction of an inch longer. This is because he's taller 
> and has a much bigger bike. The chainstay is shorter on his, but 
> overall, they are nearly the same length. Point being that even with a 
> "radical" long chainstay, the bike is not really radically long. Are 
> there a lot of 6'2" people complaining about how their bicycle is too 
> long to navigate? I don't think so. 
>
> A curious thing, to me, was that I found myself pulling up on the 
> handlebars on acceleration. I assume it's the difference in riding 
> position. I guess that since I'm not leaning so heavily forward, 
> there's not as much weight on my feet/legs. It's not anything 
> stressful, it was just something I discovered I was doing. 
>
> It's also been mentioned (in some thread about Joes) that the rear hub 
> is loud. It's not the loudest I've heard, but it is louder than 
> average. Personally I find this to be a feature, since you can stop 
> pedaling a bit when coming up behind people and they may hear you 
> coming. It's less alarming than a bell. 
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote: 
> > Meditate on Rule #10: 
> > 
> > Rule #10 
> > 
> > The harder I pedal the faster it goes. I have not done a Strava 
> comparison 
> > to quantify my speed output relative to my perceived level of exertion 
> > input.  I can ride it as hard as I like, and if I work harder it goes 
> > faster.  If I ease up it goes slower, just like my other Rivendells, and 
> > just like all my other bikes. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 5:38:07 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote: 
> >> 
> >> How dors it feel going uphill, compared to your other rivs? 
> Easier/harder 
> >> to get up them hills? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Patrick Kelly]

This may sound trite, but I'm gonna jump to amplify one word Bill
used: easy. Riding my Appaloosa also struck me also as being "easy".
It's a word that came to me when riding mine, but it sounds too
trivial, almost, to speak of. I suspect that riding in a more upright
position affects my riding attitude. I feel less aggressive, and more
relaxed. But, I did find it was easy to go quick, too. I expect to
find that my Joe will be at least as fast as my old bike (which is
fairly tank-like).

Relative to handling, I found that it was not a big deal. I'm not a
super-cyclist by any means, but when people see the super long
chainstay, they assume it's got to ride differently. My friend and I
compared wheelbases between his bombadil and my joe app. His wheelbase
is actually a fraction of an inch longer. This is because he's taller
and has a much bigger bike. The chainstay is shorter on his, but
overall, they are nearly the same length. Point being that even with a
"radical" long chainstay, the bike is not really radically long. Are
there a lot of 6'2" people complaining about how their bicycle is too
long to navigate? I don't think so.

A curious thing, to me, was that I found myself pulling up on the
handlebars on acceleration. I assume it's the difference in riding
position. I guess that since I'm not leaning so heavily forward,
there's not as much weight on my feet/legs. It's not anything
stressful, it was just something I discovered I was doing.

It's also been mentioned (in some thread about Joes) that the rear hub
is loud. It's not the loudest I've heard, but it is louder than
average. Personally I find this to be a feature, since you can stop
pedaling a bit when coming up behind people and they may hear you
coming. It's less alarming than a bell.


On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> Meditate on Rule #10:
>
> Rule #10
>
> The harder I pedal the faster it goes. I have not done a Strava comparison
> to quantify my speed output relative to my perceived level of exertion
> input.  I can ride it as hard as I like, and if I work harder it goes
> faster.  If I ease up it goes slower, just like my other Rivendells, and
> just like all my other bikes.
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 5:38:07 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> How dors it feel going uphill, compared to your other rivs? Easier/harder
>> to get up them hills?
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Bill Lindsay]

Meditate on Rule #10:

Rule #10 

The harder I pedal the faster it goes. I have not done a Strava comparison 
to quantify my speed output relative to my perceived level of exertion 
input.  I can ride it as hard as I like, and if I work harder it goes 
faster.  If I ease up it goes slower, just like my other Rivendells, and 
just like all my other bikes.  

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 5:38:07 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> How dors it feel going uphill, compared to your other rivs? Easier/harder 
> to get up them hills?

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