[RBW] Re: Kickstand Plate
As it happens, Rivendell will sell these kickstand plates to interested inquirers. I am placing a call to Mark today. Many thanks, Grant and crew! Steve On Feb 25, 2:54 am, fenderbender wrote: > These larger kickstand mounts are a very good idea! I'm surprised that > neither the producer or bike manufacturers don't insist on them or > offer some bolt on type as extras. Most modern bike frames don't have > the required tube thickness to cope with the forces of a loaded bike > pushing down on that small area. The Pletscher ESGE double leg > kickstand I used on a MTB-tourer during a Singapore to China trip > deformed the tubes so much they cracked. I was fortunate enough to > notice it while still in Thailand and was able to source a all new > frame. > > On 24 Feb, 14:19, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery > wrote: > > > Yes, I should read more carefully. > > > On Feb 23, 9:44 pm, CycloFiend wrote: > > > > on 2/23/09 7:18 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > > > > Steve: I'm not aware of kickstand plates that are sold for > > > > retrofitting to frames. > > > > I had assumed he was building the frame - > > > not a lot listed out there, but a couple 'o leads, if that's the case: > > > >http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/brazeons.html > > > (he ended up making his > > > own)http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/suppliers.html > > > > - J > > > > -- > > > Jim Edgar > > > cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com > > > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > > > Singlespeed - Working Bikes > > > Workshops of the iBob's > > > > Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines > > > > "My nighttime attitude is anyone can run you down and get away with it. > > > That's why I don't even own a bike light or one of those godawful > > > reflective > > > suits. Because if you've put yourself in a position where someone has to > > > see you in order for you to be safe...you've already blown it." > > > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac"- Dölj citerad text - > > > - Visa citerad text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Kickstand Plate
These larger kickstand mounts are a very good idea! I'm surprised that neither the producer or bike manufacturers don't insist on them or offer some bolt on type as extras. Most modern bike frames don't have the required tube thickness to cope with the forces of a loaded bike pushing down on that small area. The Pletscher ESGE double leg kickstand I used on a MTB-tourer during a Singapore to China trip deformed the tubes so much they cracked. I was fortunate enough to notice it while still in Thailand and was able to source a all new frame. On 24 Feb, 14:19, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Yes, I should read more carefully. > > On Feb 23, 9:44 pm, CycloFiend wrote: > > > > > on 2/23/09 7:18 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > > > Steve: I'm not aware of kickstand plates that are sold for > > > retrofitting to frames. > > > I had assumed he was building the frame - > > not a lot listed out there, but a couple 'o leads, if that's the case: > > >http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/brazeons.html > > (he ended up making his own)http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/suppliers.html > > > - J > > > -- > > Jim Edgar > > cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com > > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > > Singlespeed - Working Bikes > > Workshops of the iBob's > > > Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines > > > "My nighttime attitude is anyone can run you down and get away with it. > > That's why I don't even own a bike light or one of those godawful reflective > > suits. Because if you've put yourself in a position where someone has to > > see you in order for you to be safe...you've already blown it." > > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac"- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Kickstand Plate
Yes, I should read more carefully. On Feb 23, 9:44 pm, CycloFiend wrote: > on 2/23/09 7:18 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > > > > Steve: I'm not aware of kickstand plates that are sold for > > retrofitting to frames. > > I had assumed he was building the frame - > not a lot listed out there, but a couple 'o leads, if that's the case: > > http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/brazeons.html > (he ended up making his own)http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/suppliers.html > > - J > > -- > Jim Edgar > cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > Singlespeed - Working Bikes > Workshops of the iBob's > > Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines > > "My nighttime attitude is anyone can run you down and get away with it. > That's why I don't even own a bike light or one of those godawful reflective > suits. Because if you've put yourself in a position where someone has to > see you in order for you to be safe...you've already blown it." > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Kickstand Plate
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:20 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > > You can see some detailed images on the A. Homer Hilsen page here - > http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/ > Nice. I like the green one with black fenders. Reminds me of Gordon Stam's Rom. Where did he ever go off to? He was on the old list. We did some riding together in Colorado on BTC 2006. There were 6 Rivendells on that tour (out of 2200 total). Fun times. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Kickstand Plate
Steve, I'm no frame builder, but... If you're up to building a frame, it shouldn't be that hard to fab a plate. You could use 4130, but I'd think low carbon steel would be strong enough for a kickstand mount and would be cheaper and easier to work with. The KS plate on my Kogswell P/R is 0.080" thick (i just went out and measured it) but is broken down on the front and rear edges to stiffen it. That would be hard to do without a break, so I'd maybe go to 3/32" stock for a bit more strength. Cut / grind / file a piece to fit your stays, bend up a tab for the fender mount, drill for the fender and kickstand, and braze or weld it on. Simple, right? If you're using horizontal dropouts, be sure to leave enough room to get the wheel in and out with a tire on it. The plate will take up more room than a tubular bridge. If you can get a socket head bolt to fit the KS, that might let you sneak the plate a little further forward (no need to leave room between the stays for a socket or box wrench). Post photos when you're done! Bill On Feb 23, 6:38 pm, Steve wrote: > I notice that Hilsens come with a kickstand plate, a replacement for > the chainstay bridge that not only reinforces the stays but supports > both fenders and a kickstand with less potential damage to the tubing > from the kickstand bolt. Does Rivendell sell these as separate > items? I am building a frame (copied from my Rambouillet) for my son > and would die for such a device. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Kickstand Plate
on 2/23/09 7:18 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > Steve: I'm not aware of kickstand plates that are sold for > retrofitting to frames. I had assumed he was building the frame - not a lot listed out there, but a couple 'o leads, if that's the case: http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/brazeons.html (he ended up making his own) http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/suppliers.html - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Workshops of the iBob's Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "My nighttime attitude is anyone can run you down and get away with it. That's why I don't even own a bike light or one of those godawful reflective suits. Because if you've put yourself in a position where someone has to see you in order for you to be safe...you've already blown it." -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Kickstand Plate
on 2/23/09 6:38 PM, Steve at sring...@hotmail.com wrote: > I notice that Hilsens come with a kickstand plate, a replacement for > the chainstay bridge that not only reinforces the stays but supports > both fenders and a kickstand with less potential damage to the tubing > from the kickstand bolt. Does Rivendell sell these as separate > items? I am building a frame (copied from my Rambouillet) for my son > and would die for such a device. You can see some detailed images on the A. Homer Hilsen page here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/ I'd expect you should give them a call, though. Not sure if they adapted an existing design or had it done. Such things exist, even if Riv doesn't sell them, so you might contact the company that sold the tubing. best of luck! - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net ³Velvet pillows, safari parks, sunglasses: people have become woolly mice. They still have bodies that can walk for five days and four nights through a desert of snow, without food, but they accept praise for having taken a one-hour bicycle ride.² - Tim Krabbe, "The Rider" Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Kickstand Plate
Steve: I'm not aware of kickstand plates that are sold for retrofitting to frames. Seth: There are different kickstands on the market. Some are made to work with a built-in kickstand plate, and others have the cross-piece. You'll likely need a different bolt to use one without the cross- piece. On Feb 23, 8:54 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Steve wrote: > > > I notice that Hilsens come with a kickstand plate, a replacement for > > the chainstay bridge that not only reinforces the stays but supports > > both fenders and a kickstand with less potential damage to the tubing > > from the kickstand bolt. Does Rivendell sell these as separate > > items? I am building a frame (copied from my Rambouillet) for my son > > and would die for such a device. > > This reminds me of something. My atlantis has the kickstand plate on > it. Is there any need for the cross piece of the kickstand at all? > > -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Kickstand Plate
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Steve wrote: > > I notice that Hilsens come with a kickstand plate, a replacement for > the chainstay bridge that not only reinforces the stays but supports > both fenders and a kickstand with less potential damage to the tubing > from the kickstand bolt. Does Rivendell sell these as separate > items? I am building a frame (copied from my Rambouillet) for my son > and would die for such a device. This reminds me of something. My atlantis has the kickstand plate on it. Is there any need for the cross piece of the kickstand at all? -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
