[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts fabric?

[Harald Kliems]

Thanks, Garth. That's very helpful. I'll just order some swatches of 
different supplex/taslan and see what looks/feels right. Will report back.
 Harald.

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 10:55:08 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Supplex nylon , sometimes referred to taslan nylon, those are the fabrics 
> you're looking for Harald. They come in 2, and 4-ply with the higher the 
> ply the stronger and more durable. Which one to choose ?  You got me !  
> Every manufacturer has their secret sources and specs you know and thus all 
> are not created alike. The online fabric suppliers may be able help you 
> more than I in that regard. 
>
> Do a search for :  " supplex nylon by the yard "  and you'll see a host of 
> outdoor fabric suppliers. 
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts fabric?

[Garth]

Supplex nylon , sometimes referred to taslan nylon, those are the fabrics 
you're looking for Harald. They come in 2, and 4-ply with the higher the 
ply the stronger and more durable. Which one to choose ?  You got me !  
Every manufacturer has their secret sources and specs you know and thus all 
are not created alike. The online fabric suppliers may be able help you 
more than I in that regard. 

Do a search for :  " supplex nylon by the yard "  and you'll see a host of 
outdoor fabric suppliers. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Joe Bernard]

I just toss 'em in with regular laundry and try to remember not to transfer to 
the dryer. They probably last longer with special treatment, but regular 
wash/air dry has been fine for me. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[R Shannon]

Seconding Joe’s recommendation on the Devold merino shorts Riv sells. Yes, 
they’re pricey but they are super comfortable. 

I use them exclusively for travel since they can be worn multiple times before 
washing (Kookaburra wool wash is great). They also dry quickly. 

 Try a pair or two. Boosting Riv’s January sales:-)

Regards,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Joe Bernard]

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/devold-wool-boxer-briefs

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Eric Floden]

I like these and they are on $C clearance

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-336/Merino-T1-Boxer

EricF
Ottawa

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> So what brand wool underlings would you all recommend?
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Doug H.]

So what brand wool underlings would you all recommend?

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Joe Bernard]

#1 for wool underwear and unpadded MUSA shorts. I wasted 20 years trying to get 
comfortable on upright bikes with padded cycling shorts, then rode recumbents 
for a few years. A Brooks B17 with wool and MUSA was a stunning revelation. It 
works!

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Doug H.]

Jeff,

I appreciate the feedback. Sounds like lots of people like these shorts and 
that they are durable. I've not tried wool underwear so that may be 
something to consider for longish rides.
Doug

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 12:59:42 AM UTC-5, Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
> Doug,
>
> I own 2 pair of the MUSA shorts, purchased 2017.  Wore them on the Divide 
> this past summer, 53+ days.  I will note that in preparation for the Divide 
> I read a bunch of guys experimented with different cycling shorts.  Keeping 
> it short, several guys advised *against *traditional padded cycling 
> shorts.  I tested their theory by riding short local rides in wool 
> underwear and the MUSA shorts.  I would repeat this several days in a row, 
> simulating the Divide.  My particular butt felt pretty good.  FYI: I rode a 
> Brooks C17 saddle.  For the Divide I took the plunge and wore the wool 
> underwear with the MUSA shorts.  Gotta say this combo worked really well 
> for me.  Wool underwear because of their anti-microbial property and they 
> don't smell even after a solid week of cycling(!).  The MUSA shorts held up 
> well, day after day.  Hope you are having good luck with them.
>
> Jeff 
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-8, Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> I bought a pair of MUSA pants and they’ve quickly become my favorites for 
>> cycling and just wearing casually. Has anyone tried the shorts? I’d love to 
>> hear some feedback. Thanks, 
>> Doug
>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Jeffrey Arita]

Doug,

I own 2 pair of the MUSA shorts, purchased 2017.  Wore them on the Divide 
this past summer, 53+ days.  I will note that in preparation for the Divide 
I read a bunch of guys experimented with different cycling shorts.  Keeping 
it short, several guys advised *against *traditional padded cycling 
shorts.  I tested their theory by riding short local rides in wool 
underwear and the MUSA shorts.  I would repeat this several days in a row, 
simulating the Divide.  My particular butt felt pretty good.  FYI: I rode a 
Brooks C17 saddle.  For the Divide I took the plunge and wore the wool 
underwear with the MUSA shorts.  Gotta say this combo worked really well 
for me.  Wool underwear because of their anti-microbial property and they 
don't smell even after a solid week of cycling(!).  The MUSA shorts held up 
well, day after day.  Hope you are having good luck with them.

Jeff 

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> I bought a pair of MUSA pants and they’ve quickly become my favorites for 
> cycling and just wearing casually. Has anyone tried the shorts? I’d love to 
> hear some feedback. Thanks, 
> Doug

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[RichS]

Doug,

The MUSA shorts have been perfect for me. I live in them 5-6 months out of the 
year. Proud owner of four pairs and one pair of knickers.

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[lconley]

I have four pair of the shorts and have worn out another two pairs. I also 
use them as baggy swim trunks. They seem to tolerate the pool chlorine 
well. They are the only shorts or swim trunks that I've had for years.

Laing


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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Marc Irwin]

I have 5 pair of the pants and three of the shorts, I love them.  The long 
pants are especially nice casual pants for people who ride all the time, 
the shorts are nice but have little advantage over a pair of athletic brand 
shorts like Reebok.

Marc

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> I bought a pair of MUSA pants and they’ve quickly become my favorites for 
> cycling and just wearing casually. Has anyone tried the shorts? I’d love to 
> hear some feedback. Thanks, 
> Doug

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Doug H.]

Thanks for the replies. I just order a pair.
Doug

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 2:31:56 PM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi Doug,
> I've got two shorts, one knickers, and one pants. I like the latest design 
> of the shorts. Material is just right, pockets are properly sized (a 
> problem with the older version). I like the belt closure, too.
>
> The knickers are my favorite for cooler weather. (Too warm for 50F+, as 
> they block wind really well.)
>
> Durability of all are great. I play on the ground with my kids without a 
> worry when wearing knickers or pants. Work great for camping and wrenching 
> on the bike, too.
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12:56:06 PM UTC-5, Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> I bought a pair of MUSA pants and they’ve quickly become my favorites for 
>> cycling and just wearing casually. Has anyone tried the shorts? I’d love to 
>> hear some feedback. Thanks, 
>> Doug
>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Doug,
I've got two shorts, one knickers, and one pants. I like the latest design 
of the shorts. Material is just right, pockets are properly sized (a 
problem with the older version). I like the belt closure, too.

The knickers are my favorite for cooler weather. (Too warm for 50F+, as 
they block wind really well.)

Durability of all are great. I play on the ground with my kids without a 
worry when wearing knickers or pants. Work great for camping and wrenching 
on the bike, too.

Good luck!
shoji



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> I bought a pair of MUSA pants and they’ve quickly become my favorites for 
> cycling and just wearing casually. Has anyone tried the shorts? I’d love to 
> hear some feedback. Thanks, 
> Doug

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts: Discontinued or on Hiatus?

[Brian Campbell]

Update from Spencer is that IF they order more, they won't be available 
until the coming fall. Anybody have a set lying around that need a new home?

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 2:29:39 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Email Spencer.  Spencer at rivbike dot com
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 7:07:50 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Are the MUSA shorts on hiatus or are they being discontinued? I was 
>> looking for a set in size medium on the RIV site and they have not been 
>> restocked for quite a while.
>>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts: Discontinued or on Hiatus?

[Bill Lindsay]

Email Spencer.  Spencer at rivbike dot com

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> Are the MUSA shorts on hiatus or are they being discontinued? I was 
> looking for a set in size medium on the RIV site and they have not been 
> restocked for quite a while.
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts: Discontinued or on Hiatus?

[Ron Mc]

good job, I'll never need a medium.  

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>
> Yeah, they do last forever. I bought mine 6 or so years ago and they still 
> work great. The issue is that I have lost about 25lbs since then and the 
> large size I have are too big. Now I need a medium. 
>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts: Discontinued or on Hiatus?

[Brian Campbell]

Yeah, they do last forever. I bought mine 6 or so years ago and they still 
work great. The issue is that I have lost about 25lbs since then and the 
large size I have are too big. Now I need a medium. 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 11:50:13 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I like all the MUSA pants - kick around and kayak in the long pants, 
> winter bike in knickers, and summer bike in the shorts.  I think a past 
> BLUG mentioned much of the MUSA clothing was going by the wayside because 
> of cash flow and inventory.  I think maybe the knickers will stay.  When 
> somebody was selling several pair of shorts over the winter, I was able to 
> snag one pair, so I have 3 shorts to choose.  You don't need many, because 
> they last forever, and that may be part of the problem maintaining stock.  
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 9:07:50 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Are the MUSA shorts on hiatus or are they being discontinued? I was 
>> looking for a set in size medium on the RIV site and they have not been 
>> restocked for quite a while.
>>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts: Discontinued or on Hiatus?

[Ron Mc]

I like all the MUSA pants - kick around and kayak in the long pants, winter 
bike in knickers, and summer bike in the shorts.  I think a past BLUG 
mentioned much of the MUSA clothing was going by the wayside because of 
cash flow and inventory.  I think maybe the knickers will stay.  When 
somebody was selling several pair of shorts over the winter, I was able to 
snag one pair, so I have 3 shorts to choose.  You don't need many, because 
they last forever, and that may be part of the problem maintaining stock.  

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 9:07:50 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
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> Are the MUSA shorts on hiatus or are they being discontinued? I was 
> looking for a set in size medium on the RIV site and they have not been 
> restocked for quite a while.
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[sean]

>
> I am also a 31-32 waisted short-legger. I have 4 pairs of these now. I 
> love 'em. Perfectly lightweight for the searing summer heat down here in 
> TX. I don't really use the waist buckle at all, but the waist is elastic so 
> the fit works fine. Length is great for me, a few inches above the knee. 
> Much better than most shorts on the market (or "shants" as I like to call 
> most modern styles of shorts that hang at/below the knee - can't stand that 
> style). Agree with others that the main drawback to these are the awful 
> front pockets. They're pretty much useless since they are cut so long they 
> hang out past the outseam of the shorts. Also, they aren't functional for 
> carrying anything of weight (keys, change, tools, phone, etc.) except maybe 
> some folded cash/light wallet or something. If Riv either cut the pockets 
> down or just got rid of them completely, it would probably be an 
> improvement. That being said, I still love them and wear them all the time. 
> Carhartt are probably the most functional shorts I wear, but the MUSA 
> shorts provides a nice summer alternative to the heavyweight Carhartt 
> cotton duck.
>

Sean 
ATX 

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Johan Larsson]

Been using my knickers for two seasons now, and I like them a lot. 
Comfortable, airy, seem durable, and a good length.

The seams at both back pockets came out in the corners after a month or 
two, I sew it back, just a few centimeters of seam, and nothing more 
happened since then. When I got them I was surprised that they didn't have 
side pockets on the thigh area, I just saw it as a natural thing that all 
practical pants have pockets there, but no... And that's a drawback with 
them, it's quite annoying even having a set of keys in the front or back 
pockets while riding a bike. Having a phone or a wallet there is 
impossible. Still like them a lot, as I said...

Johan Larsson,
Sweden

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[DS]

I almost always buy 32" waist pants/jeans. I got the medium which I was 
able to try on in the shop. Waist-wise the mediums fit great for 32". Nice 
thing about these shorts is the buckle/fasteners for adjustments. Length 
wise, they're a little short for my taste.  I may even try a large out due 
to that. I think they're also on the thin side. Good for warm/hot weather. 
But too thin for anything chillier (I have another pair of shorts that I 
will wear all the way down to freezing). Maybe I'm not working hard enough 
to raise the core temp ;)

On Friday, July 25, 2014 9:43:37 AM UTC-7, Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any input on the fit of these? I'm normally a 32 and was 
> hoping that a small would fit great. Any long-term reviews of these? Does 
> anyone have a pair of smalls they aren't wearing anymore? I was hoping to 
> pick up a pair on the web specials part of the riv website, but they're 
> apparently out of smalls and I can't justify $60 for a pair of shorts. 
> Thanks all!
>
> Mike
> Seattle
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Gary]

I'm 6' with a 32" waist. I've got both small and medium MUSA shorts, and 
the mediums definitely fit better for me. The smalls are just a little too 
short in the inseam and fit a bit tighter than I like.  But they are 
definitely great shorts.

gary

On Friday, July 25, 2014 4:15:19 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
>
> I have a couple of pairs of these, size large, that I've had for years. As 
> much as I hate the style, they are absolutely my favorite shorts for 
> touring in. They're comfortable in the heat, dry quickly and are durable. 
> I've worn them for multiple rides of 120 miles with no issues (combined 
> with ExOfficio underwear and a Brooks B17). To me they seem to run a bit 
> big. They are also comfortable for hiking. 
>  
> --mike
>
> On Friday, July 25, 2014 9:43:37 AM UTC-7, Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any input on the fit of these? I'm normally a 32 and was 
>> hoping that a small would fit great. Any long-term reviews of these? Does 
>> anyone have a pair of smalls they aren't wearing anymore? I was hoping to 
>> pick up a pair on the web specials part of the riv website, but they're 
>> apparently out of smalls and I can't justify $60 for a pair of shorts. 
>> Thanks all! 
>>
>> Mike
>> Seattle
>>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Mike]

I have a couple of pairs of these, size large, that I've had for years. As 
much as I hate the style, they are absolutely my favorite shorts for 
touring in. They're comfortable in the heat, dry quickly and are durable. 
I've worn them for multiple rides of 120 miles with no issues (combined 
with ExOfficio underwear and a Brooks B17). To me they seem to run a bit 
big. They are also comfortable for hiking. 
 
--mike

On Friday, July 25, 2014 9:43:37 AM UTC-7, Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Does anyone have any input on the fit of these? I'm normally a 32 and was 
> hoping that a small would fit great. Any long-term reviews of these? Does 
> anyone have a pair of smalls they aren't wearing anymore? I was hoping to 
> pick up a pair on the web specials part of the riv website, but they're 
> apparently out of smalls and I can't justify $60 for a pair of shorts. 
> Thanks all! 
>
> Mike
> Seattle
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Mike,
I'm a 30, and I think the smalls are fine for me (but on the waist it's on 
the tighter side of fit).

I like them, but the pockets ride out of the bottom at times when I ride. 
Not the end of the world, but I don't have this problem with other shorts. 

I think the knickers are my favorite. (I have them all.)



On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:43:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any input on the fit of these? I'm normally a 32 and was 
> hoping that a small would fit great. Any long-term reviews of these? Does 
> anyone have a pair of smalls they aren't wearing anymore? I was hoping to 
> pick up a pair on the web specials part of the riv website, but they're 
> apparently out of smalls and I can't justify $60 for a pair of shorts. 
> Thanks all!
>
> Mike
> Seattle
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA shorts question

[Ron Mc]

we were heading north on Alamo so I told my buddy to turn into Alamo Plaza 
for a quick photo op.  Maiden voyage of my Moser build.  But agree, cotton 
swells when its wet and becomes a heavy mop.  Light wool wicks it out and 
continues to breathe.  

On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:38:45 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> Great photo.  I did 20 miles today in my Musa shorts and Ibex wool 
> t-shirt.  Summer humidity hit the DC area today, and I was cool and 
> comfortable, relatively!

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA shorts question

[WETH]

Great photo.  I did 20 miles today in my Musa shorts and Ibex wool t-shirt.  
Summer humidity hit the DC area today, and I was cool and comfortable, 
relatively!

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA shorts question

[Ron Mc]

I ain't sayin' they're purdy



But they're highly recommended.  MUSA shorts and merino wool tees are the 
way to beat the Texas heat.  


On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:17:00 PM UTC-5, sean wrote:
>
> Ok. Went ahead with the small. Thanks for the help!
>  
> Sean
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:51:24 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:
>
>> Go with the small. They will not go below your knee. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Ginz  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm a little shorter but same in the waist.  I wear the small.  I'd 
>>> recommend the small.  They aren't baggy but there is room in there. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA shorts question

[sean]

Ok. Went ahead with the small. Thanks for the help!
 
Sean

On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:51:24 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:

> Go with the small. They will not go below your knee. 
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Ginz >wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm a little shorter but same in the waist.  I wear the small.  I'd 
>> recommend the small.  They aren't baggy but there is room in there. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA shorts question

[Dan McNamara]

Go with the small. They will not go below your knee.




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> I'm a little shorter but same in the waist.  I wear the small.  I'd
> recommend the small.  They aren't baggy but there is room in there.
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[RBW] Re: MUSA shorts question

[Ginz]

I'm a little shorter but same in the waist.  I wear the small.  I'd 
recommend the small.  They aren't baggy but there is room in there.

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts/Pants Sizing question

[Matt Critchlow]

Thanks everyone for the comments and opinions!

I think I have a better idea on the sizing now, your input was really
helpful.

Cheers,

Matt

On Jan 24, 7:20 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I only have tan (two pair shorts, one knickers) and have never had any
> bleeding or discoloration.  The knickers fit perfect, but the shorts are a
> bit short.  I wish there was a touch of lycra/spandex in them.  Pockets are
> ok, that's what I carry my P&S camera in all the time.  Never falls out
> unless I'm fumbling with it.
>
> DE
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Ray Shine  wrote:
> > Yes, Anne is correct about the usefulness around camp, or as wind pants.  I
> > have not had any experience with the gray pants, only the tan knickers.  I'd
> > avoid the tan colored items.
>
> > RS
>
> > --
> > *From:* Anne Paulson 
> > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > *Sent:* Sun, January 24, 2010 5:15:26 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [RBW] MUSA Shorts/Pants Sizing question
>
> > For an opposite perspective, I have the MUSA gray pants. They're not
> > beautiful, but they do fit adequately. I take them along on bike
> > tours, because they are great both wearing around camp and as an extra
> > layer during the cycling day. Despite plenty of abuse-- touring!--
> > mine are not stained. Knickers would not suit me at all-- funny tan
> > marks, and the knickers wouldn't keep the mosquitos off my legs in
> > camp.
>
> > My 6'3" son wears XL.
>
> > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Ray Shine  wrote:
> > > Matt -- I own three Riv's and lots of other stuff purchased from them.
> > The
> > > only thing I'll NEVER buy again are the MUSA pants. Bad fit, pockets
> > don't
> > > seal shut, and if you buy the non-black color it stains from the sweat
> > after
> > > the first hard ride, and never goes away.  In short, great bikes, bad
> > > clothing…
>
> > > Look at Swobo knickers, Ibex, or elswhere.
>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts/Pants Sizing question

[Angus]

Matt,

I am long of leg and short of waist.  For longs I ordered by leg
length and sinched the waiste to fit, works well for me.  The shorts
I orderd by waist.  The tan colors did stain a bit from the Brooks
saddle, the grays have not.

Angus

On Jan 24, 1:14 pm, Matt Critchlow  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> First post in the group! I'm transitioning myself away from the lycra
> clad army of cyclists here in San Diego as I never really liked them
> in the first place. Most of my riding is commuting anyway, and the
> more and more I've been riding the sillier the outfit has felt to me.
> Finding the Rivendell site (and this group soon after) was comforting
> in a way, because none of my friends that ride would even consider
> wearing anything else. So it was nice to see another perspective on
> cycling out there that makes more sense to me, in more ways than just
> the clothes.. Man I'd love to get one of those A Homer Hilson bikes
> someday, what a great design!
>
> That said: The MUSA shorts and pants look like a great alternative,
> and I'm trying to figure out the sizing before I order some. I'm a
> tall guy 6'5" with about a 37.5" PBH and a 35 or so inch waist. It
> looks like the inseam on the pants is a little longer if i get the XL
> so that sounds good, but I'm at the bottom end of the waist range. For
> the shorts, it seems like I'm somewhere between a L and XL but the
> inseam looks to be the same on both.
>
> Any advice on sizes? Thanks everyone!
>
> Matt

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