[RBW] Re: My 650B

[Cecily Walker]

Sweet bikes, especially that first one.


On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 9:57:42 AM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> My 650B as a ss with many Rivendell additions. This and my Sam are my two 
> favorite rides.
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[RBW] Re: My 650B conversion progress report

[Patrick in VT]

On Jun 5, 1:09 pm, William  wrote:
> My Miyata 650B conversion is coming along.  I built the rear wheel last
> night.  I'm thinking of it as a very low-budget Bleriot.

Looks great!  Smart go-anywhere build - I dig it.

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[RBW] Re: My 650B conversion progress report

[C.J. Filip]

Awesome job.  Your bike looks so much better and useful with higher
volume tires.  Very Riv-ish indeed.

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[RBW] Re: My 650B conversion progress report

[William]

The missing bits were the rear fender and the front wheel.  I knocked both 
those projects out last night.  So, short of doing the tubeless thing, it's 
done.  




On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 6:57:30 AM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:
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> Awesome job.  Your bike looks so much better and useful with higher 
> volume tires.  Very Riv-ish indeed. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My 650B conversion progress report

[Zack]

Beautiful!


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[RBW] Re: My 650B conversion progress report

[Johan Larsson]

What tires are that? And how much clearance is there with those, especially 
at the fork?

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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[JoelMatthews]

Turned out real well.  Nice build choices.

If you do not mind my asking, what is your height and inseam?

On Oct 3, 2:49 pm, William  wrote:
> My stable is pretty much complete for a good long while, now that my
> 650B go-fast(ish) slot is filled.  I finished up my 650B A Homer
> Hilsen build.  I'm kind of laid up with a cold so I can't really enjoy
> it on the road but I can tell immediately the fit is perfecto.
>
> Build list:
>
> 58cm A Homer Hilsen (650B)
> Ultegra Headset
> Silver brakes/tektro levers
> 44cm Noodle/Nitto Pearl 11 stem/Newbaums black tape
> Suntour sprint downtube shifters
> Campy front der
> XT rapid rise med cage rear
> Ritchey Logic 172.5mm crankset. 30/44 rings
> 11-28 9 speed cassette SRAM chain
> Synergy 32hole black rims
> XT rear hub WTB front
> Nitto Crystal fellow Avocet R40 saddle
> Hetre Reds
> King Cage
> Shimano 747 SPD pedals
>
> I'll get a Mark's rack for it when they are available so I can run a
> handlebar bag or a trunksack small.  It's 24lbs on the nose.  I think
> it looks really dynamite.  I set it up with Hetres to start just to
> make sure the clearances are all right, but I have Somas and Parimotos
> also, which will bring the black and blue vibe together even more.
>
> A few photos on my flickrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5048544190/

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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[William]

I'm 5' 10-1/2" and my PBH is 87cm

On Oct 3, 4:27 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Turned out real well.  Nice build choices.
>
> If you do not mind my asking, what is your height and inseam?
>
> On Oct 3, 2:49 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > My stable is pretty much complete for a good long while, now that my
> > 650B go-fast(ish) slot is filled.  I finished up my 650B A Homer
> > Hilsen build.  I'm kind of laid up with a cold so I can't really enjoy
> > it on the road but I can tell immediately the fit is perfecto.
>
> > Build list:
>
> > 58cm A Homer Hilsen (650B)
> > Ultegra Headset
> > Silver brakes/tektro levers
> > 44cm Noodle/Nitto Pearl 11 stem/Newbaums black tape
> > Suntour sprint downtube shifters
> > Campy front der
> > XT rapid rise med cage rear
> > Ritchey Logic 172.5mm crankset. 30/44 rings
> > 11-28 9 speed cassette SRAM chain
> > Synergy 32hole black rims
> > XT rear hub WTB front
> > Nitto Crystal fellow Avocet R40 saddle
> > Hetre Reds
> > King Cage
> > Shimano 747 SPD pedals
>
> > I'll get a Mark's rack for it when they are available so I can run a
> > handlebar bag or a trunksack small.  It's 24lbs on the nose.  I think
> > it looks really dynamite.  I set it up with Hetres to start just to
> > make sure the clearances are all right, but I have Somas and Parimotos
> > also, which will bring the black and blue vibe together even more.
>
> > A few photos on my 
> > flickrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5048544190/

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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[rb]

That is stunning.  I didn't realize that the frames were for 650b in
the larger sizes...I"m looking to upgrade my 59cm Kog frame...I'll 2nd
that question re yr size and fit?

On Oct 3, 3:49 pm, William  wrote:
> My stable is pretty much complete for a good long while, now that my
> 650B go-fast(ish) slot is filled.  I finished up my 650B A Homer
> Hilsen build.  I'm kind of laid up with a cold so I can't really enjoy
> it on the road but I can tell immediately the fit is perfecto.
>
> Build list:
>
> 58cm A Homer Hilsen (650B)
> Ultegra Headset
> Silver brakes/tektro levers
> 44cm Noodle/Nitto Pearl 11 stem/Newbaums black tape
> Suntour sprint downtube shifters
> Campy front der
> XT rapid rise med cage rear
> Ritchey Logic 172.5mm crankset. 30/44 rings
> 11-28 9 speed cassette SRAM chain
> Synergy 32hole black rims
> XT rear hub WTB front
> Nitto Crystal fellow Avocet R40 saddle
> Hetre Reds
> King Cage
> Shimano 747 SPD pedals
>
> I'll get a Mark's rack for it when they are available so I can run a
> handlebar bag or a trunksack small.  It's 24lbs on the nose.  I think
> it looks really dynamite.  I set it up with Hetres to start just to
> make sure the clearances are all right, but I have Somas and Parimotos
> also, which will bring the black and blue vibe together even more.
>
> A few photos on my flickrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5048544190/

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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[Michael_S]

Bill, nice job on the Hilsen!  I know you like black components more
than most on this site, but it does all seem to work aesthetically.

Most important questions are... how does it ride and how do you like
the Hetres?

~Mike~

On Oct 3, 4:39 pm, rb  wrote:
> That is stunning.  I didn't realize that the frames were for 650b in
> the larger sizes...I"m looking to upgrade my 59cm Kog frame...I'll 2nd
> that question re yr size and fit?
>
> On Oct 3, 3:49 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > My stable is pretty much complete for a good long while, now that my
> > 650B go-fast(ish) slot is filled.  I finished up my 650B A Homer
> > Hilsen build.  I'm kind of laid up with a cold so I can't really enjoy
> > it on the road but I can tell immediately the fit is perfecto.
>
> > Build list:
>
> > 58cm A Homer Hilsen (650B)
> > Ultegra Headset
> > Silver brakes/tektro levers
> > 44cm Noodle/Nitto Pearl 11 stem/Newbaums black tape
> > Suntour sprint downtube shifters
> > Campy front der
> > XT rapid rise med cage rear
> > Ritchey Logic 172.5mm crankset. 30/44 rings
> > 11-28 9 speed cassette SRAM chain
> > Synergy 32hole black rims
> > XT rear hub WTB front
> > Nitto Crystal fellow Avocet R40 saddle
> > Hetre Reds
> > King Cage
> > Shimano 747 SPD pedals
>
> > I'll get a Mark's rack for it when they are available so I can run a
> > handlebar bag or a trunksack small.  It's 24lbs on the nose.  I think
> > it looks really dynamite.  I set it up with Hetres to start just to
> > make sure the clearances are all right, but I have Somas and Parimotos
> > also, which will bring the black and blue vibe together even more.
>
> > A few photos on my 
> > flickrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5048544190/- Hide quoted 
> > text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[Greg Wallace]

did you consider the 57cm or 59cm with 700c?  i am 5' 9-1/2" with a
PBH of 86cm and wondering which wheel size to go with.


On Oct 3, 4:43 pm, William  wrote:
> I'm 5' 10-1/2" and my PBH is 87cm
>
> On Oct 3, 4:27 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:

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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[JoelMatthews]

Height of the bike is not the only issue.  The reason I am thinking
about the 650B Hilsen is the 700 will not fit a tire as wide as the
Hetre with fenders.

At 5'11" and a half but with a pbh ~84.5 of so, I fit the 59 700
Hilsen fine.  Sounds as though I may be between a 56 or 58 650B Hilsen
though.

On Oct 4, 2:15 pm, Greg Wallace  wrote:
> did you consider the 57cm or 59cm with 700c?  i am 5' 9-1/2" with a
> PBH of 86cm and wondering which wheel size to go with.
>
> On Oct 3, 4:43 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm 5' 10-1/2" and my PBH is 87cm
>
> > On Oct 3, 4:27 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:- Hide quoted 
> > text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[William]

Michael

I finished it up yesterday afternoon, and I've been laid up with a
cold, so all I did was ride it around the block.  Even on that short
of a spin, I can confirm that the fit is exactly what I was shooting
for.  I can't tell you how useful Grant's frame-drawing lessons were
for me.  I have all my bikes drawn up now.  The Hetres are definitely
cushy.  I rode them a fair bit this summer on my Bombadil.  I have 4
sets of road tires: Hetres, Pari Motos, Somas, and Maxy Fastys.  We'll
see which ones get the majority miles.

Greg

Of course I considered the 59cm 700C Hilsen (I'm more like an 87 PBH,
5'10-1/2"), but I tried 650B on my existing go-fast road bike first,
and that hooked me.  In my mind right now, 650B is really like getting
something for nothing.  You can run wider tires than 700C, be lighter
weight than 700C, be more durable than 700C, run lower pressure than
700C and roll faster than 700C.  The only thing you lose is tire
selection/availability, so I'm forced to stock up.  That impression
might change as I put legitimate miles on this beauty, but I'm pretty
drunk on the 650B koolaid at the moment.  I still have 2 700C bikes as
well, so I haven't completely switched over.

On Oct 4, 12:15 pm, Greg Wallace  wrote:
> did you consider the 57cm or 59cm with 700c?  i am 5' 9-1/2" with a
> PBH of 86cm and wondering which wheel size to go with.
>
> On Oct 3, 4:43 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > I'm 5' 10-1/2" and my PBH is 87cm
>
> > On Oct 3, 4:27 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My 650B Hilsen build is done

[Michael_S]

If my supply of money was never ending I'd be ordering a 58cm 650B
Hilsen tomorrow.  I'd want a custom color though.
I've decided to just dip my toe in the koolaid for now and get in on
the Rawland rSogn preorder.

Hope you feel better and get in some good rides soon.

~Mike~


On Oct 4, 2:13 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Height of the bike is not the only issue.  The reason I am thinking
> about the 650B Hilsen is the 700 will not fit a tire as wide as the
> Hetre with fenders.
>
> At 5'11" and a half but with a pbh ~84.5 of so, I fit the 59 700
> Hilsen fine.  Sounds as though I may be between a 56 or 58 650B Hilsen
> though.
>
> On Oct 4, 2:15 pm, Greg Wallace  wrote:
>
>
>
> > did you consider the 57cm or 59cm with 700c?  i am 5' 9-1/2" with a
> > PBH of 86cm and wondering which wheel size to go with.
>
> > On Oct 3, 4:43 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > I'm 5' 10-1/2" and my PBH is 87cm
>
> > > On Oct 3, 4:27 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:- Hide 
> > > quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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RE: [RBW] Re: My 650B conversion progress report

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

That's a fine-looking bike, Bill.


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 12:54 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: My 650B conversion progress report

The missing bits were the rear fender and the front wheel.  I knocked both 
those projects out last night.  So, short of doing the tubeless thing, it's 
done.


[https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sp3G3QsxIZc/T8-K-lFH8mI/Ais/9sa0VhokxG8/s320/IMG_0856.JPG]<https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sp3G3QsxIZc/T8-K-lFH8mI/Ais/9sa0VhokxG8/s1600/IMG_0856.JPG>


On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 6:57:30 AM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:
Awesome job.  Your bike looks so much better and useful with higher
volume tires.  Very Riv-ish indeed.


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Re: [RBW] Re: My 650B conversion progress report

[William]

I had tried to attach a photo, but don't know if it worked.  Here's a link 
at any rate:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7345511078/in/photostream 

Riv content:  
Newbaums grey cloth tape
Hemp twine
Grip King Pedals
P45 plastic fenders
Sackville flaps F+R
Grant's target of 260mm being a good minimum for BB height in a conversion

On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:56:18 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
>  That's a fine-looking bike, Bill.
>
>  --
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *William
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2012 12:54 PM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: My 650B conversion progress report
>
>  The missing bits were the rear fender and the front wheel.  I knocked 
> both those projects out last night.  So, short of doing the tubeless thing, 
> it's done.   
>
>  
> <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sp3G3QsxIZc/T8-K-lFH8mI/Ais/9sa0VhokxG8/s1600/IMG_0856.JPG>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 6:57:30 AM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote: 
>>
>> Awesome job.  Your bike looks so much better and useful with higher 
>> volume tires.  Very Riv-ish indeed. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My 650B conversion progress report

[cyclotourist]

Are you considering tubeless? So far it sounds like Hetres are working out
fine running tubeless.

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:53 AM, William  wrote:

> The missing bits were the rear fender and the front wheel.  I knocked both
> those projects out last night.  So, short of doing the tubeless thing, it's
> done.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 6:57:30 AM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:
>>
>> Awesome job.  Your bike looks so much better and useful with higher
>> volume tires.  Very Riv-ish indeed.
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[RBW] Re: My 650B MIT Atlantis...just a tiny bit perfecter

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks great! I like the red, lugged, Nitto stem.
I’d feel handicapped trying to hold a coffee mug and ride a bike up a hill. 
No desire to add a handlebar mug holder, grab sack or reserve a corner of 
the basket?

David Lipsky
Berkeley

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 8:23:48 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> I had small stable reduction earlier this month. 
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[RBW] Re: My 650B MIT Atlantis...just a tiny bit perfecter

[Bill Lindsay]

The top priority is to drink coffee. Operating the bicycle is the second 
priority. I don’t need coffee storage. 😉I require that my coffee bike be easy 
to operate while I’m drinking coffee. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: My 650B MIT Atlantis...just a tiny bit perfecter

[Michael Baquerizo]

is that campee rack the 700c or 26" one? I can't tell if the f20 is a specific 
size or just refers to the style. either way it seems to fit really well w 
650b. 

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[RBW] Re: My 650B MIT Atlantis...just a tiny bit perfecter

[Bill Lindsay]

My Campee front rack is the F20, which is the "Mountain Campee" which is 
nominally intended for 26" wheels.  My experience with both the 700c and 
26" version is they are quite tall.  As you can see there's ample headroom 
clearance even though I've got 650B x 50mm tires.  

Bill in EC

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 1:32:03 PM UTC-8, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
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> is that campee rack the 700c or 26" one? I can't tell if the f20 is a 
> specific size or just refers to the style. either way it seems to fit 
> really well w 650b. 

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[RBW] Re: My 650B MIT Atlantis...just a tiny bit perfecter

[Bill Lindsay]

My Nitto lugged stem was on the shelf at Rivendell raw and totally 
unpainted.  I went in to buy one because I was setting up a drop bar 
cockpit for my Bombadil.  Jay grabbed a normal finished one and the raw 
one, and said 'same price, we'll get it color matched to your Bombadil'.  I 
took the offer to paint it.  Jay sent it out and called me when it was 
done.  I assumed they could get a great match because they had chosen the 
orange powdercoat for my Bombadil.  The match was not even close.  It was 
way too yellow.  Jay said "yeah, I had it wet painted, because our powder 
coater has a minimum.  I took my best guess"  I didn't like it at all, and 
Jay said 'no problem, let me give it another shot'.  He had it painted 
again.  It was a lot closer, but a little too red.  I didn't have the heart 
to send it back again, so I kept it.  When I sold my Bombadil the buyer 
didn't want the stem, so now it's my statement piece.  

I have no clue who Riv had paint it.  Maybe D&D? 

Bill in EC  

On Friday, March 6, 2020 at 3:25:03 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>
> Bill, did your red lugged stem have nitto’s usual dull bright finish to 
> begin with? Also who painted it? 
> Thnks 
> Ted

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[RBW] Re: My 650B MIT Atlantis...just a tiny bit perfecter

[Ray Varella]

Bill,
Did anyone answer your query about why the rapid rise is perfect for stem 
shifters?

My guess is it so you can upshift or downshift front and rear simultaneously 
with one hand. 


Ray

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[RBW] Re: My 650B MIT Atlantis...just a tiny bit perfecter

[Bill Lindsay]

I asserted a RapidRise rear der is especially perfect if you have stem 
shifters.  I asked if anyone knew why?

Ray guessed it had to do with easy one hand shifting.  

That was not my reason.  Actually I'd assert that a one hand double shift 
is slightly harder with a rapid rise RD, because most double shifts involve 
upshifting one and downshifting the other.  

My reason is that with a non-Rapid Rise RD, your lowest gear has the right 
shifter pulled all the way down.  When you are in a really low gear, you 
are likely climbing a steep hill.  It's pretty darn common to be standing 
when climbing a steep hill.  If it's really steep, your knees get really 
close to the stem shifters, and you are way more likely to knock the 
shifter forward and upshift 2 or 3 cogs, which is annoying.  

With a Rapid Rise RD, in your lowest gear both shifters are all the way 
forward, and pretty much unreachable by your knee, and entirely unshiftable 
with a knee strike.  If you are in something other than the lowest gear, a 
knee strike could cause a shift but it's always to a lower gear, which is a 
lot less annoying.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 9:16:18 AM UTC-8, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Did anyone answer your query about why the rapid rise is perfect for stem 
> shifters?
>
> My guess is it so you can upshift or downshift front and rear 
> simultaneously with one hand. 
>
>
> Ray
>
>

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