Re: [RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Richard Rose]

The RH pressure calculator is enlightening. On my Clem I run Simworks Homage 55mm tires with tubes. I normally have them at 25-30psi which is pretty much in line with RH as is the 30-35psi range when loaded for a Sub24. I’ve been toying with giving the 43 Homage a try as I am going off road less with the Clem since getting my Gus. But RH suggests 35-45psi for those. That sounds like a noticeably rougher ride to me?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 4, 2024, at 1:49 AM, Joe Ray  wrote:Thanks Patrick,How many bikes is that?!Picking up on your last point, I had a set of 700x38 Barlow Pass XLs on there which, after 8-10 months of riding measured 40mm on my rims, then swapped to Snoqualmie Pass 44 XLs, and, on the same rims...also 40...even after a couple months of riding, and a few days in storage pumped to the max on the sidewall.I'm running 40 psi on those, which is about the minimum on the RH Tire Calculator. Feels great.JoeOn Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 9:19:45 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:IME, even very supple skinny tires can be surprisingly smooth if not pumped too hard; I recall being surprised almost 35 years ago at how smooth 23 mm Specialized 26X1" Turbos felt compared to overinflated 35 mm Fatboys (I thought then that the label max pres was the correct pressure). Much later, Michelin Pro Races at 22 mm actual on narrow rims felt surprisingly comfortable at 80 f/90r, and today's 28 mm (actual, skinny rims) Elk Passes feel almost pillow-like at 55/60 except over the damned 8" to 12" expansion bumps on my access road that I keep meaning to complain to the city about.Speaking of which: I'm curious about others' preferences for air pressure: what pressure for what tire -- width, type of casing -- on what surfaces. I recently started riding my ~49 mm (27 mm IW rims) regular casing Oracle Ridges at 17 psi, down from the 20 that felt harsh over horse hoof chop and stutter bumps, and yes, 17 feels smoother over small bumps while not compromising the road-tire-like handling (on the Matt #1) on pavement -- the ORs handle like the slick Soma Supple Vitesse SLs on pavement, and both tires make the bike handle as I'd asked Chauncey to make it handle, much like my Riv Roads.Current preferred pressures for max bump comfort with pavement cornering precision:ORs ~49 mm actual, combined pavement and (sandy) dirt: 17 psi.Extralight 559X42 mm Naches Passes, mostly pavement, brief firmer dirt: 30/35. I expect I could use as low as 25/30 but this bike sees 30-40 lb rear loads.175 gram 559X28 mm Elk Passes: pavement: 55/60, and were it not for expansion cracks I guess I could drop 5 psi from each.I used to put 20 psi in the 61 mm paper-thin sidewall Big Ones but now I'd drop that to under 17; cornering on pavement be damned, they never did corner crisply, and I expect that at 15-16 with 27 mm IW rims the sidewalls would remain stable.I rode the 72 mm actual WTB Rangers as low as 12-13; since these were ridden almost always on sandy soil, and I'd have used that as the norm except that these were tubeless tires on ~20-21 mm IW non-tubeless rims, so I usually kept them at 15.Patrick Moore, who wishes that the Elk Passes measured closer to the labeled 32 mm on the admittedly 13 mm IW rims.On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 9:58 AM Jay  wrote:I know a lot of roadies, who don't mountain bike, who have never tried a tire about 30-32mm.  Before these nice, supple tires became more readily available I had mountain biked and had tires for riding that bike on the roads (off-season), and then I got into cx bikes I had 32mm (ish) tires, and they were all awful (and over-inflated!).  When I went up to 40mm that was an improvement.  A supple tire of anywhere north of 32-35, on a bike that is not overly stiff, pumped to the right pressure, tubeless if you like, is magic.Nice article!



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Re: [RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Joe Ray]

Thanks Patrick,

How many bikes is that?!

Picking up on your last point, I had a set of 700x38 Barlow Pass XLs on 
there which, after 8-10 months of riding measured 40mm on my rims, then 
swapped to Snoqualmie Pass 44 XLs, and, on the same rims...also 40...even 
after a couple months of riding, and a few days in storage pumped to the 
max on the sidewall.

I'm running 40 psi on those, which is about the minimum on the RH Tire 
Calculator. Feels great.

Joe



On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 9:19:45 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> IME, even very supple skinny tires can be surprisingly smooth if not 
> pumped too hard; I recall being surprised almost 35 years ago at how smooth 
> 23 mm Specialized 26X1" Turbos felt compared to overinflated 35 mm Fatboys 
> (I thought then that the label max pres was the correct pressure). Much 
> later, Michelin Pro Races at 22 mm actual on narrow rims felt surprisingly 
> comfortable at 80 f/90r, and today's 28 mm (actual, skinny rims) Elk Passes 
> feel almost pillow-like at 55/60 except over the damned 8" to 12" expansion 
> bumps on my access road that I keep meaning to complain to the city about.
>
> Speaking of which: I'm curious about others' preferences for air pressure: 
> what pressure for what tire -- width, type of casing -- on what surfaces. I 
> recently started riding my ~49 mm (27 mm IW rims) regular casing Oracle 
> Ridges at 17 psi, down from the 20 that felt harsh over horse hoof chop and 
> stutter bumps, and yes, 17 feels smoother over small bumps while not 
> compromising the road-tire-like handling (on the Matt #1) on pavement -- 
> the ORs handle like the slick Soma Supple Vitesse SLs on pavement, and both 
> tires make the bike handle as I'd asked Chauncey to make it handle, much 
> like my Riv Roads.
>
> Current preferred pressures for max bump comfort with pavement cornering 
> precision:
>
> ORs ~49 mm actual, combined pavement and (sandy) dirt: 17 psi.
>
> Extralight 559X42 mm Naches Passes, mostly pavement, brief firmer dirt: 
> 30/35. I expect I could use as low as 25/30 but this bike sees 30-40 lb 
> rear loads.
>
> 175 gram 559X28 mm Elk Passes: pavement: 55/60, and were it not for 
> expansion cracks I guess I could drop 5 psi from each.
>
> I used to put 20 psi in the 61 mm paper-thin sidewall Big Ones but now I'd 
> drop that to under 17; cornering on pavement be damned, they never did 
> corner crisply, and I expect that at 15-16 with 27 mm IW rims the sidewalls 
> would remain stable.
>
> I rode the 72 mm actual WTB Rangers as low as 12-13; since these were 
> ridden almost always on sandy soil, and I'd have used that as the norm 
> except that these were tubeless tires on ~20-21 mm IW non-tubeless rims, so 
> I usually kept them at 15.
>
> Patrick Moore, who wishes that the Elk Passes measured closer to the 
> labeled 32 mm on the admittedly 13 mm IW rims.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 9:58 AM Jay  wrote:
>
>> I know a lot of roadies, who don't mountain bike, who have never tried a 
>> tire about 30-32mm.  Before these nice, supple tires became more readily 
>> available I had mountain biked and had tires for riding that bike on the 
>> roads (off-season), and then I got into cx bikes I had 32mm (ish) tires, 
>> and they were all awful (and over-inflated!).  When I went up to 40mm that 
>> was an improvement.  A supple tire of anywhere north of 32-35, on a bike 
>> that is not overly stiff, pumped to the right pressure, tubeless if you 
>> like, is magic.
>>
>> Nice article!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Dan]

Patrick,

I run 35psi on my 43mm GK SKs for all conditions. 
35psi for road and 30psi for unpaved on my 43mm GK SS+. 

I have 55mm Ultradynamico Mars Robustos on my Appaloosa, and it’s a new 
world for me. So far I’ve tried 30psi (too firm) and 25psi, which feels 
very nice on and off road. I wonder how low I could or should go?

On Monday 3 June 2024 at 01:49:45 UTC+9:30 Patrick Moore wrote:

> IME, even very supple skinny tires can be surprisingly smooth if not 
> pumped too hard; I recall being surprised almost 35 years ago at how smooth 
> 23 mm Specialized 26X1" Turbos felt compared to overinflated 35 mm Fatboys 
> (I thought then that the label max pres was the correct pressure). Much 
> later, Michelin Pro Races at 22 mm actual on narrow rims felt surprisingly 
> comfortable at 80 f/90r, and today's 28 mm (actual, skinny rims) Elk Passes 
> feel almost pillow-like at 55/60 except over the damned 8" to 12" expansion 
> bumps on my access road that I keep meaning to complain to the city about.
>
> Speaking of which: I'm curious about others' preferences for air pressure: 
> what pressure for what tire -- width, type of casing -- on what surfaces. I 
> recently started riding my ~49 mm (27 mm IW rims) regular casing Oracle 
> Ridges at 17 psi, down from the 20 that felt harsh over horse hoof chop and 
> stutter bumps, and yes, 17 feels smoother over small bumps while not 
> compromising the road-tire-like handling (on the Matt #1) on pavement -- 
> the ORs handle like the slick Soma Supple Vitesse SLs on pavement, and both 
> tires make the bike handle as I'd asked Chauncey to make it handle, much 
> like my Riv Roads.
>
> Current preferred pressures for max bump comfort with pavement cornering 
> precision:
>
> ORs ~49 mm actual, combined pavement and (sandy) dirt: 17 psi.
>
> Extralight 559X42 mm Naches Passes, mostly pavement, brief firmer dirt: 
> 30/35. I expect I could use as low as 25/30 but this bike sees 30-40 lb 
> rear loads.
>
> 175 gram 559X28 mm Elk Passes: pavement: 55/60, and were it not for 
> expansion cracks I guess I could drop 5 psi from each.
>
> I used to put 20 psi in the 61 mm paper-thin sidewall Big Ones but now I'd 
> drop that to under 17; cornering on pavement be damned, they never did 
> corner crisply, and I expect that at 15-16 with 27 mm IW rims the sidewalls 
> would remain stable.
>
> I rode the 72 mm actual WTB Rangers as low as 12-13; since these were 
> ridden almost always on sandy soil, and I'd have used that as the norm 
> except that these were tubeless tires on ~20-21 mm IW non-tubeless rims, so 
> I usually kept them at 15.
>
> Patrick Moore, who wishes that the Elk Passes measured closer to the 
> labeled 32 mm on the admittedly 13 mm IW rims.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 9:58 AM Jay  wrote:
>
>> I know a lot of roadies, who don't mountain bike, who have never tried a 
>> tire about 30-32mm.  Before these nice, supple tires became more readily 
>> available I had mountain biked and had tires for riding that bike on the 
>> roads (off-season), and then I got into cx bikes I had 32mm (ish) tires, 
>> and they were all awful (and over-inflated!).  When I went up to 40mm that 
>> was an improvement.  A supple tire of anywhere north of 32-35, on a bike 
>> that is not overly stiff, pumped to the right pressure, tubeless if you 
>> like, is magic.
>>
>> Nice article!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Patrick Moore]

IME, even very supple skinny tires can be surprisingly smooth if not pumped
too hard; I recall being surprised almost 35 years ago at how smooth 23 mm
Specialized 26X1" Turbos felt compared to overinflated 35 mm Fatboys (I
thought then that the label max pres was the correct pressure). Much later,
Michelin Pro Races at 22 mm actual on narrow rims felt surprisingly
comfortable at 80 f/90r, and today's 28 mm (actual, skinny rims) Elk Passes
feel almost pillow-like at 55/60 except over the damned 8" to 12" expansion
bumps on my access road that I keep meaning to complain to the city about.

Speaking of which: I'm curious about others' preferences for air pressure:
what pressure for what tire -- width, type of casing -- on what surfaces. I
recently started riding my ~49 mm (27 mm IW rims) regular casing Oracle
Ridges at 17 psi, down from the 20 that felt harsh over horse hoof chop and
stutter bumps, and yes, 17 feels smoother over small bumps while not
compromising the road-tire-like handling (on the Matt #1) on pavement --
the ORs handle like the slick Soma Supple Vitesse SLs on pavement, and both
tires make the bike handle as I'd asked Chauncey to make it handle, much
like my Riv Roads.

Current preferred pressures for max bump comfort with pavement cornering
precision:

ORs ~49 mm actual, combined pavement and (sandy) dirt: 17 psi.

Extralight 559X42 mm Naches Passes, mostly pavement, brief firmer dirt:
30/35. I expect I could use as low as 25/30 but this bike sees 30-40 lb
rear loads.

175 gram 559X28 mm Elk Passes: pavement: 55/60, and were it not for
expansion cracks I guess I could drop 5 psi from each.

I used to put 20 psi in the 61 mm paper-thin sidewall Big Ones but now I'd
drop that to under 17; cornering on pavement be damned, they never did
corner crisply, and I expect that at 15-16 with 27 mm IW rims the sidewalls
would remain stable.

I rode the 72 mm actual WTB Rangers as low as 12-13; since these were
ridden almost always on sandy soil, and I'd have used that as the norm
except that these were tubeless tires on ~20-21 mm IW non-tubeless rims, so
I usually kept them at 15.

Patrick Moore, who wishes that the Elk Passes measured closer to the
labeled 32 mm on the admittedly 13 mm IW rims.


On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 9:58 AM Jay  wrote:

> I know a lot of roadies, who don't mountain bike, who have never tried a
> tire about 30-32mm.  Before these nice, supple tires became more readily
> available I had mountain biked and had tires for riding that bike on the
> roads (off-season), and then I got into cx bikes I had 32mm (ish) tires,
> and they were all awful (and over-inflated!).  When I went up to 40mm that
> was an improvement.  A supple tire of anywhere north of 32-35, on a bike
> that is not overly stiff, pumped to the right pressure, tubeless if you
> like, is magic.
>
> Nice article!
>

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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Jay]

I know a lot of roadies, who don't mountain bike, who have never tried a 
tire about 30-32mm.  Before these nice, supple tires became more readily 
available I had mountain biked and had tires for riding that bike on the 
roads (off-season), and then I got into cx bikes I had 32mm (ish) tires, 
and they were all awful (and over-inflated!).  When I went up to 40mm that 
was an improvement.  A supple tire of anywhere north of 32-35, on a bike 
that is not overly stiff, pumped to the right pressure, tubeless if you 
like, is magic.

Nice article!

On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 12:37:33 AM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> It was about 2013-4, I felt like I was on the cutting edge of bike 
> innovation as a 23 year old converting my Salsa Vaya from 700x35 to 650x48. 
> I'll never forget that first commute from those panaracer pasela's to the 
> compass (now rene herse) 48's. Magic carpet ride indeed! 
>
> Joe, how would you describe the arc of your writing career to be a 
> journalist for Wired?
>
> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 7:37:37 AM UTC-7 Steve wrote:
>
>> Joe, thanks for posting the link to your article. Well done! 
>>
>> I currently have three bikes with tire widths, in ascending order, from 
>> 40 to 48mm.  I also recently gifted a fourth bike to my daughter - a late 
>> 90s race bike I converted from 700c to  650b with 38mm RH slicks mounted 
>> beneath VO fenders. (The poor girl, all she had for road riding was a 
>> carbon fiber Liv with naked 23mm tires!!!).  
>>
>> You might say I'm a true believer. 
>>
>> Steve in AVL
>>
>> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ted,
>>> Was definitely thinking about all the potential feedback--and wishing 
>>> 603s became a thing so I could plug them into my older bikes.
>>> Thanks for the good words!
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:36:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Ray wrote:

 Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
 magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I 
 had 
 a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:


 I enjoyed the sidebar with all the appropriate disclaimers to head off 
 the inevitable internet feedback on how uninformed you are. And a shoutout 
 to 603 ...you have definitely been drinking Grant's Kool-Aid!

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Armand Kizirian]

It was about 2013-4, I felt like I was on the cutting edge of bike 
innovation as a 23 year old converting my Salsa Vaya from 700x35 to 650x48. 
I'll never forget that first commute from those panaracer pasela's to the 
compass (now rene herse) 48's. Magic carpet ride indeed! 

Joe, how would you describe the arc of your writing career to be a 
journalist for Wired?

On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 7:37:37 AM UTC-7 Steve wrote:

> Joe, thanks for posting the link to your article. Well done! 
>
> I currently have three bikes with tire widths, in ascending order, from 40 
> to 48mm.  I also recently gifted a fourth bike to my daughter - a late 90s 
> race bike I converted from 700c to  650b with 38mm RH slicks mounted 
> beneath VO fenders. (The poor girl, all she had for road riding was a 
> carbon fiber Liv with naked 23mm tires!!!).  
>
> You might say I'm a true believer. 
>
> Steve in AVL
>
> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ted,
>> Was definitely thinking about all the potential feedback--and wishing 
>> 603s became a thing so I could plug them into my older bikes.
>> Thanks for the good words!
>> Joe
>>
>> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:36:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
>>> magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
>>> a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:
>>>
>>>
>>> I enjoyed the sidebar with all the appropriate disclaimers to head off 
>>> the inevitable internet feedback on how uninformed you are. And a shoutout 
>>> to 603 ...you have definitely been drinking Grant's Kool-Aid!
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Steve]

Joe, thanks for posting the link to your article. Well done! 

I currently have three bikes with tire widths, in ascending order, from 40 
to 48mm.  I also recently gifted a fourth bike to my daughter - a late 90s 
race bike I converted from 700c to  650b with 38mm RH slicks mounted 
beneath VO fenders. (The poor girl, all she had for road riding was a 
carbon fiber Liv with naked 23mm tires!!!).  

You might say I'm a true believer. 

Steve in AVL

On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:

> Thanks Ted,
> Was definitely thinking about all the potential feedback--and wishing 603s 
> became a thing so I could plug them into my older bikes.
> Thanks for the good words!
> Joe
>
> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:36:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Ray wrote:
>>
>> Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
>> magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
>> a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:
>>
>>
>> I enjoyed the sidebar with all the appropriate disclaimers to head off 
>> the inevitable internet feedback on how uninformed you are. And a shoutout 
>> to 603 ...you have definitely been drinking Grant's Kool-Aid!
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Joe Ray]

Thanks Ted,
Was definitely thinking about all the potential feedback--and wishing 603s 
became a thing so I could plug them into my older bikes.
Thanks for the good words!
Joe

On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:36:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Ray wrote:
>
> Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
> magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
> a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:
>
>
> I enjoyed the sidebar with all the appropriate disclaimers to head off the 
> inevitable internet feedback on how uninformed you are. And a shoutout to 
> 603 ...you have definitely been drinking Grant's Kool-Aid!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA 
>

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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Matthew Rebmann]

I can't say that I have noticed a slower take-off with bigger tires. I have 
48's on both my Midnight Special and my Polyvalent and I feel quite snappy 
from a dead stop.

On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 10:09:13 AM UTC-4 josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Joe-
>
> Hello from Seattle and thanks for sharing the article! I’m glad you 
> mentioned the usually unmentioned downside of wider, heavier tires…slower 
> acceleration. Something to keep in mind when selecting a tire size for a 
> particular route or group riding style.
>
> Josh
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 8:19:12 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>
>> Great article; lots of good info. Really liked idea that the best bike is 
>> the one you love.
>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 7:42:21 PM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gang,
>>>
>>> Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
>>> magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
>>> a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.wired.com/story/fat-bike-tires-are-better-than-skinny-bike-tires/
>>>
>>> In it, I interview Russ Roca of the A Path Less Pedaled Youtube channel 
>>> (and Sam Hillborne owner), Jan Heine of Bicycle Quarterly/Rene Herse, and 
>>> ace bike mechanic Steve Gadingan at Seattle's Bike Works. Of course, 
>>> Rivendell shows up in there, too.
>>>
>>> Turns out it was the most popular story on Wired for the holiday 
>>> weekend--we might be on to something! ;)
>>>
>>> I invite you to read it and would love to hear your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Cheers and happy riding!
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Jim Kramka]

Jan Heine has been researching and writing about tire width, tire pressure,
and treads for many years. Check out his online journal. He persuaded me to
go to wider tires at lower pressures and I've never looked back.
https://www.renehersecycles.com/journal/

Jim

On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 10:19 PM 'Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Great article; lots of good info. Really liked idea that the best bike is
> the one you love.
> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 7:42:21 PM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired
>> magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had
>> a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:
>>
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/fat-bike-tires-are-better-than-skinny-bike-tires/
>>
>> In it, I interview Russ Roca of the A Path Less Pedaled Youtube channel
>> (and Sam Hillborne owner), Jan Heine of Bicycle Quarterly/Rene Herse, and
>> ace bike mechanic Steve Gadingan at Seattle's Bike Works. Of course,
>> Rivendell shows up in there, too.
>>
>> Turns out it was the most popular story on Wired for the holiday
>> weekend--we might be on to something! ;)
>>
>> I invite you to read it and would love to hear your thoughts.
>>
>> Cheers and happy riding!
>>
>> Joe
>>
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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Ray wrote:

Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:


I enjoyed the sidebar with all the appropriate disclaimers to head off the 
inevitable internet feedback on how uninformed you are. And a shoutout to 
603 ...you have definitely been drinking Grant's Kool-Aid!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[John Rinker]

Fine article Joe! I imagine there will now be a run on Riv bikes and RH 
tires. The more people on bikes, the better!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:18:20 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Ray wrote:
>
> Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
> magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
> a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:
>
>
> Nice to see you here, Joe. Apple News was very sure I wanted to read that 
> article. Haven't, yet, but I will now!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Ray wrote:

Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:


Nice to see you here, Joe. Apple News was very sure I wanted to read that 
article. Haven't, yet, but I will now!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

Hi Joe-

Hello from Seattle and thanks for sharing the article! I’m glad you 
mentioned the usually unmentioned downside of wider, heavier tires…slower 
acceleration. Something to keep in mind when selecting a tire size for a 
particular route or group riding style.

Josh
Seattle, WA

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 8:19:12 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:

> Great article; lots of good info. Really liked idea that the best bike is 
> the one you love.
> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 7:42:21 PM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
>> magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
>> a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:
>>
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/fat-bike-tires-are-better-than-skinny-bike-tires/
>>
>> In it, I interview Russ Roca of the A Path Less Pedaled Youtube channel 
>> (and Sam Hillborne owner), Jan Heine of Bicycle Quarterly/Rene Herse, and 
>> ace bike mechanic Steve Gadingan at Seattle's Bike Works. Of course, 
>> Rivendell shows up in there, too.
>>
>> Turns out it was the most popular story on Wired for the holiday 
>> weekend--we might be on to something! ;)
>>
>> I invite you to read it and would love to hear your thoughts.
>>
>> Cheers and happy riding!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

['Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great article; lots of good info. Really liked idea that the best bike is 
the one you love.
Tom in Alexandria, VA

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 7:42:21 PM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
> magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
> a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:
>
>
> https://www.wired.com/story/fat-bike-tires-are-better-than-skinny-bike-tires/
>
> In it, I interview Russ Roca of the A Path Less Pedaled Youtube channel 
> (and Sam Hillborne owner), Jan Heine of Bicycle Quarterly/Rene Herse, and 
> ace bike mechanic Steve Gadingan at Seattle's Bike Works. Of course, 
> Rivendell shows up in there, too.
>
> Turns out it was the most popular story on Wired for the holiday 
> weekend--we might be on to something! ;)
>
> I invite you to read it and would love to hear your thoughts.
>
> Cheers and happy riding!
>
> Joe
>

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