[RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
On Nov 30, 10:22 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Phil, there is such a thing as a dove-tail scarf joint, and this is one of 'em. Agree there are more elaborate joints out there, but this gets the job done. Not sure if the cross section drives the choice of joint, but I suspect a more complex scarf would be problematic in a timber that is a foot square. As far back as the Romans much more complex scarf joints with very large timbers were used in the keels of their ships. Phil Brown -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
I came across this image recently and thought that now you can have the best of both worlds -- lugged steel with a superb wood appearance: http://www.cycleexif.com/robs-woodwork-alien Bryan On Nov 30, 9:05 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: i wonder if a carbo-no-mas fork would work with one of those... andrew On Nov 30, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Bill M. wrote: Thinking of bikes, timber frames, beautiful construction and nice joinery leads me to think of: http://www.renovobikes.com/gallery-r4-pursuit/ Bill On Nov 30, 4:00 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Lugged bikes are like timber-framed structures; both beautiful, neither wanting to cover up the joinery, strong, built to last, did I say beautiful? There's a new/old grain mill being built near home in PA (actually just inside Northern Maryland, on Amos Mill Road) ). Replaces an antique mill that just about fell down. Owned by the Amos family - same as ever. The Amish are taking care of the framing. I happened to ride by on a rest day (for the Amish, not me) , and took a bunch of photos of something you rarely see. What an honor! http://tinyurl.com/2az5myp Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
Speaking of timber and lugged steel... I recall seeing in one of the Riv-Readers an awesome idea of Grant's for adding a second top-tube by snuggly securing a piece of wood as the second tube. Have any of the more handy folks in this group done this sort of thing yet, and are there any tips for how to get the right fit? I've converted an '86 Trek 550 into my light touring/commuting bike, but I would like to beef it up, as the tubing seems pretty light for 185 lbs + gear. A super-duty touring bike is definitely not in my budget, and I would like to make this bike work for hauling lotso stuff. On Dec 1, 12:05 pm, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: I came across this image recently and thought that now you can have the best of both worlds -- lugged steel with a superb wood appearance:http://www.cycleexif.com/robs-woodwork-alien Bryan On Nov 30, 9:05 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: i wonder if a carbo-no-mas fork would work with one of those... andrew On Nov 30, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Bill M. wrote: Thinking of bikes, timber frames, beautiful construction and nice joinery leads me to think of: http://www.renovobikes.com/gallery-r4-pursuit/ Bill On Nov 30, 4:00 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Lugged bikes are like timber-framed structures; both beautiful, neither wanting to cover up the joinery, strong, built to last, did I say beautiful? There's a new/old grain mill being built near home in PA (actually just inside Northern Maryland, on Amos Mill Road) ). Replaces an antique mill that just about fell down. Owned by the Amos family - same as ever. The Amish are taking care of the framing. I happened to ride by on a rest day (for the Amish, not me) , and took a bunch of photos of something you rarely see. What an honor! http://tinyurl.com/2az5myp Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
I'm about 80/20 on this. I am 80% sure that Grant was joking when he suggested that in the reader. I've fallen for a straight-faced statement in another Riv posting that I thought was a great idea, asked them if I could buy it and they said dude! that was a joke. If he wasn't joking, the remaining 20% certainty is that Grant simply didn't think it through. The second top tube is under tension with most riding loads, with a little bending plus torsion when steering. If you or anybody else went to the trouble of wedging a wooden rod into your frame in the place of a 2tt, under significant load it would simply fall out. If the tension forces on your front triangle were the only ones you needed to overcome in making your bike cargo- capable, then a tensioned cable might be a better solution. A brazed- in lugged second top tube is fantastic in compression, also great in tension, and pretty darned good in torsion and bending. A wedged in rod of wood would (sic) be good in compression only, and lousy (like zero) in tension, bending, and torsion. On Dec 1, 1:43 pm, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of timber and lugged steel... I recall seeing in one of the Riv-Readers an awesome idea of Grant's for adding a second top-tube by snuggly securing a piece of wood as the second tube. Have any of the more handy folks in this group done this sort of thing yet, and are there any tips for how to get the right fit? I've converted an '86 Trek 550 into my light touring/commuting bike, but I would like to beef it up, as the tubing seems pretty light for 185 lbs + gear. A super-duty touring bike is definitely not in my budget, and I would like to make this bike work for hauling lotso stuff. On Dec 1, 12:05 pm, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: I came across this image recently and thought that now you can have the best of both worlds -- lugged steel with a superb wood appearance:http://www.cycleexif.com/robs-woodwork-alien Bryan On Nov 30, 9:05 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: i wonder if a carbo-no-mas fork would work with one of those... andrew On Nov 30, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Bill M. wrote: Thinking of bikes, timber frames, beautiful construction and nice joinery leads me to think of: http://www.renovobikes.com/gallery-r4-pursuit/ Bill On Nov 30, 4:00 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Lugged bikes are like timber-framed structures; both beautiful, neither wanting to cover up the joinery, strong, built to last, did I say beautiful? There's a new/old grain mill being built near home in PA (actually just inside Northern Maryland, on Amos Mill Road) ). Replaces an antique mill that just about fell down. Owned by the Amos family - same as ever. The Amish are taking care of the framing. I happened to ride by on a rest day (for the Amish, not me) , and took a bunch of photos of something you rarely see. What an honor! http://tinyurl.com/2az5myp Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
I can't get over how nicely they dove-tail joined the footer beam (to lengthen it) Another builder might have discarded the 2 pieces in favor of a longer one, or worse, bolted them together with steel plates, then felt compelled to hide it under a facade. Amazing craftsmanship; truly a thing of beauty. (I think I'll go polish my lugs at lunch time thanks, Marty). BB On Nov 30, 7:00 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Lugged bikes are like timber-framed structures; both beautiful, neither wanting to cover up the joinery, strong, built to last, did I say beautiful? There's a new/old grain mill being built near home in PA (actually just inside Northern Maryland, on Amos Mill Road) ). Replaces an antique mill that just about fell down. Owned by the Amos family - same as ever. The Amish are taking care of the framing. I happened to ride by on a rest day (for the Amish, not me) , and took a bunch of photos of something you rarely see. What an honor! http://tinyurl.com/2az5myp Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
On Nov 30, 7:27 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I can't get over how nicely they dove-tail joined the footer beam (to lengthen it) Another builder might have discarded the 2 pieces in favor of a longer one, or worse, bolted them together with steel plates, then felt compelled to hide it under a facade. Amazing craftsmanship; truly a thing of beauty. (I think I'll go polish my lugs at lunch time thanks, Marty). BB It's not a dovetail, it's a scarf.And if you look up scarf joints you will find it's not a particularly complex one. Phil Brown -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
Phil, there is such a thing as a dove-tail scarf joint, and this is one of 'em. Agree there are more elaborate joints out there, but this gets the job done. Not sure if the cross section drives the choice of joint, but I suspect a more complex scarf would be problematic in a timber that is a foot square. Given the OT nature of this thread, we can continue the conversation via Flickr if you like. I added a picture of what it looked like in 1968. Marty On Nov 30, 12:03 pm, Phil Brown philcyc...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 30, 7:27 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I can't get over how nicely they dove-tail joined the footer beam (to lengthen it) Another builder might have discarded the 2 pieces in favor of a longer one, or worse, bolted them together with steel plates, then felt compelled to hide it under a facade. Amazing craftsmanship; truly a thing of beauty. (I think I'll go polish my lugs at lunch time thanks, Marty). BB It's not a dovetail, it's a scarf.And if you look up scarf joints you will find it's not a particularly complex one. Phil Brown -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
Either way I say it's impressive Bobby gotta learn them joints Birmingham On Nov 30, 1:22 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Phil, there is such a thing as a dove-tail scarf joint, and this is one of 'em. Agree there are more elaborate joints out there, but this gets the job done. Not sure if the cross section drives the choice of joint, but I suspect a more complex scarf would be problematic in a timber that is a foot square. Given the OT nature of this thread, we can continue the conversation via Flickr if you like. I added a picture of what it looked like in 1968. Marty On Nov 30, 12:03 pm, Phil Brown philcyc...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 30, 7:27 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I can't get over how nicely they dove-tail joined the footer beam (to lengthen it) Another builder might have discarded the 2 pieces in favor of a longer one, or worse, bolted them together with steel plates, then felt compelled to hide it under a facade. Amazing craftsmanship; truly a thing of beauty. (I think I'll go polish my lugs at lunch time thanks, Marty). BB It's not a dovetail, it's a scarf.And if you look up scarf joints you will find it's not a particularly complex one. Phil Brown- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
This is a good examle of the type of detail you can encounter, and stop to enjoy, when traveling by bike. Were you in a car, you'd just whiz by perhaps note Nice wood framing. dougP On Nov 30, 10:49 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Either way I say it's impressive Bobby gotta learn them joints Birmingham On Nov 30, 1:22 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Phil, there is such a thing as a dove-tail scarf joint, and this is one of 'em. Agree there are more elaborate joints out there, but this gets the job done. Not sure if the cross section drives the choice of joint, but I suspect a more complex scarf would be problematic in a timber that is a foot square. Given the OT nature of this thread, we can continue the conversation via Flickr if you like. I added a picture of what it looked like in 1968. Marty On Nov 30, 12:03 pm, Phil Brown philcyc...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 30, 7:27 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I can't get over how nicely they dove-tail joined the footer beam (to lengthen it) Another builder might have discarded the 2 pieces in favor of a longer one, or worse, bolted them together with steel plates, then felt compelled to hide it under a facade. Amazing craftsmanship; truly a thing of beauty. (I think I'll go polish my lugs at lunch time thanks, Marty). BB It's not a dovetail, it's a scarf.And if you look up scarf joints you will find it's not a particularly complex one. Phil Brown- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
Thinking of bikes, timber frames, beautiful construction and nice joinery leads me to think of: http://www.renovobikes.com/gallery-r4-pursuit/ Bill On Nov 30, 4:00 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Lugged bikes are like timber-framed structures; both beautiful, neither wanting to cover up the joinery, strong, built to last, did I say beautiful? There's a new/old grain mill being built near home in PA (actually just inside Northern Maryland, on Amos Mill Road) ). Replaces an antique mill that just about fell down. Owned by the Amos family - same as ever. The Amish are taking care of the framing. I happened to ride by on a rest day (for the Amish, not me) , and took a bunch of photos of something you rarely see. What an honor! http://tinyurl.com/2az5myp Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Lugged Bikes vs.Timber-Frames
i wonder if a carbo-no-mas fork would work with one of those... andrew On Nov 30, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Bill M. wrote: Thinking of bikes, timber frames, beautiful construction and nice joinery leads me to think of: http://www.renovobikes.com/gallery-r4-pursuit/ Bill On Nov 30, 4:00 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Lugged bikes are like timber-framed structures; both beautiful, neither wanting to cover up the joinery, strong, built to last, did I say beautiful? There's a new/old grain mill being built near home in PA (actually just inside Northern Maryland, on Amos Mill Road) ). Replaces an antique mill that just about fell down. Owned by the Amos family - same as ever. The Amish are taking care of the framing. I happened to ride by on a rest day (for the Amish, not me) , and took a bunch of photos of something you rarely see. What an honor! http://tinyurl.com/2az5myp Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
