[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Grant @ Rivendell]

I'd always wanted to do a lugged tandem, but we can't afford the tooling 
for it, it would be extreemly suicidal, and it would take many 
tandem-curious people out of the running. A tandem is rarely the most 
ridden bike, and a super expensive one risks becoming a objet d'guilt or a 
at least a tug-o'-war thing in a marriage; and it rules out riders of 
moderate means. 
The HHH is a strong, fun, practical, and affortable--and even so, I think 
we've maxed out the market for it. We've place our order, and have 
painfully said no to one or two who missed the deadline.
Most of the stuff about it and that is here:
http://hubbuhubbuh.tumblr.com/

In a year or two if we have more interest, we could do another round of 
them. But "interest" would have to be followed by a pay-up-front & 
wait-a-ton commitment, and that's a lot to ask. I had no idea we'd get the 
response we did, but I think that's a one-time aberration-lightning bolt 
thing that could never be repeated. Anyway, I'm happy with the HHH because 
it is coming out so well, but I don't see us as a tandem company. I think 
(and hope) that other truly tandem companies will have a look at the HHH 
layout and so on, and copy it. Who wouldn't want a fun fatty tandem with a 
steel fork and almost unlimited capabilities that *allows* dangerous 
adventurous, but is ideal for family rides with kids as young as ten? 

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:02:33 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The current tandem is full tig i think?
> Someone correct if wrong.
>
> If this run is successful do you think riv will one day put out a full lug 
> version?
>
> Or would that price it out too high?
>
> Reason i ask is because lugs are so riv.
> But this may be only shot at a riv tandom of any breed ever.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Ed Felker]

We had a custom fully lugged road & randonneuring tandem built last year by 
Tom Kellogg/Spectrum. 

My wife Mary wrote a post about it: 
https://chasingmailboxes.com/2016/04/27/the-highs-and-lows-of-new-bike-day/

Here's a photo of the frameset by Tom; scroll forward to see more details. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/spectrumcycles/20710233560

The price for the frameset and fork was about twice what Grant charges for 
a full custom Rivendell. It could go higher depending on the paint scheme.

I forwarded photos to Grant and he replied that it took many hours of labor 
to craft the lugs. For the same reason, Tom builds just one tandem a year. 

The $1,600 price for the tandem frameset Grant is selling now is a real 
bargain for what you are getting. It's not my kind of tandem but the value 
is quite good. 

Ed 
Washington, DC



On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:02:33 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The current tandem is full tig i think?
> Someone correct if wrong.
>
> If this run is successful do you think riv will one day put out a full lug 
> version?
>
> Or would that price it out too high?
>
> Reason i ask is because lugs are so riv.
> But this may be only shot at a riv tandom of any breed ever.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Garth]

  There are many many wonderful things in existence that an eye of 
doubt would be incapable of seeing :)   



On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 2:06:35 PM UTC-4, Metin Uz wrote:
>
> No question it can be built. This one has fillet brazed BB shells and 
> bi-laminate lugs. Essentially fillet brazed tubing cut into lugs. You can 
> see why it costs $12K instead of a more reasonable $5K for basically 
> identical frame that is all fillet brazed. The question is if anyone has 
> seen one in the wild.
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 2:51:42 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>> We are not speaking of pie in the sky here !  If it did not exist Bilenky 
>> would not offer it.  Here is one ... 
>> http://www.cycleexif.com/bilenky-cycle-works-tandem
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Metin Uz]

No question it can be built. This one has fillet brazed BB shells and 
bi-laminate lugs. Essentially fillet brazed tubing cut into lugs. You can 
see why it costs $12K instead of a more reasonable $5K for basically 
identical frame that is all fillet brazed. The question is if anyone has 
seen one in the wild.

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 2:51:42 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> We are not speaking of pie in the sky here !  If it did not exist Bilenky 
> would not offer it.  Here is one ... 
> http://www.cycleexif.com/bilenky-cycle-works-tandem
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Garth]

 We are not speaking of pie in the sky here !  If it did not exist Bilenky 
would not offer it.  Here is one ... 
http://www.cycleexif.com/bilenky-cycle-works-tandem

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Re: [RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[cyclotourist]

Bob Brown will build any tandem you ask for:
http://www.bobbrowncycles.com/gallery_tandem.htm

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Will  wrote:
> I'm guessing Riv, having made tandem design work, would accept custom
> orders.
>
> They might have to fudge with some filet brazing, but I think that would be
> acceptable to the cognocenti.
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I would place the odds at somewhere between 5% and 15%.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, Ca
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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Will]

I'm guessing Riv, having made tandem design work, would accept custom 
orders. 

They might have to fudge with some filet brazing, but I think that would be 
acceptable to the cognocenti. 

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I would place the odds at somewhere between 5% and 15%.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Deacon Patrick]

Good news! Any tandem can be fully lugged (up stairs, over hills and dales, 
across creeks and rivers...
Grin.

I would put the chance is greater than zero (because statistically it has 
to be) and less than anything measurable even with modern micro 
calibration. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:02:33 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The current tandem is full tig i think?
> Someone correct if wrong.
>
> If this run is successful do you think riv will one day put out a full lug 
> version?
>
> Or would that price it out too high?
>
> Reason i ask is because lugs are so riv.
> But this may be only shot at a riv tandom of any breed ever.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Metin Uz]

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
>  Maybe not a Riv brand, but you can certainly get a custom lugged tandem 
> that rides just as well or better, depending on preferences from Bilenky in 
> Philly. 
>
>>
>>
Given that Bilenky asks for an additional $7,000 over their fillet brazed 
model, I question if this mythical beast even exists. I know Pogliaghi 
built lugged tandems, which required fillet brazing a frame and then 
cutting it up to make lugs, since nobody makes a lug set for a tandem.

 

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Garth]

 Maybe not a Riv brand, but you can certainly get a custom lugged tandem 
that rides just as well or better, depending on preferences from Bilenky in 
Philly. 


On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:02:33 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The current tandem is full tig i think?
> Someone correct if wrong.
>
> If this run is successful do you think riv will one day put out a full lug 
> version?
>
> Or would that price it out too high?
>
> Reason i ask is because lugs are so riv.
> But this may be only shot at a riv tandom of any breed ever.
>
>

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