[RBW] Re: Off pavement riding
I don't believe there is any penalty at all. Based on my experience on the road I'd be surprised if any tyres at all rolled faster than FF on dirt/gravel... On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:20:51 AM UTC+1, Patrick Moore wrote: > > ...Why settle for nasty, skinny 40-somethings when you can ride plush > 50-somethings with very little speed penalty?... > > -- > *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* > Certified Resume Writer > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > patric...@resumespecialties.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > > Albuquerque, NM > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
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[RBW] Re: Off pavement riding
Forgot to say, a propos of Stan's: I've been skinting on the amount I put into the 29er tubes; 2 oz instead of the 6 oz or so I hear Stan recommends for tubeless 29er tires. At any rate, today's ride took me through the usual meadows of goatheads, with thorns momentarily embedded before they are thrown or pushed out of the tread as one rides. I had to pump the rear tire twice -- + a third anticipatory time -- on the 10 mile return, but as of right now -- 2 hrs after the last pumping -- no air loss. The Lezyne "Alloy Drive" -- the fatter one -- is great for fat, low pressure tires. 120 or 150 strokes serves to bring the FFs up to what my educated thumb tells me is 30 psi. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: > > What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of > off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to > me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity. > Well, that's it! All of cycling is really just a long continuum, but marketing people want to focus us on a 'new' thing, which is really just a part of the continuum that was always there. Rarely, in cycling and most everywhere else, is something really 'new'. To me, personal watercraft were 'new'. At least until I looked into the other sorta similar water born personal propulsion thingamabobs. But to me, they were new. So maybe to some a 'gravel' bike will also be new. That said, bigger tires are good, and drop bar bikes that can ride in the dirt are good. So where's the rub? Well, to me the rub is that marketing can serve to divide people into segments, or boxes, rather than to promote the bigger truth, which is that were all just part of one big continuum. I add to the already long list of cycling descriptors...'Gravel Guy/Gal'. As in.. Dude: 'You ride?' Dudette: 'Yep, sure do.' Dude: 'Whatcha into?' Dudette: 'Is that a trick question?' Dude: 'Naa, just wondering what kind of riding you do.' Dudette: 'Ahh, I'm a Gravel Gal.' Dude: 'Oh, so you like to get dirty.' Dudette: 'Go away!' Smooth tracks, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
Indeed. Best, ~Hugh On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:48 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > That's funny. I didn't realize they were so obsessive. Everyone needs a > hobby! > > On 10/10/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > > Yep, but I feel they don't need to be, I had a 90's era Pinarello > Montello > > and it was pretty period with a few exceptions and I got an ear full. I > > totally appreciate what these guy's do it's fantastic, but I'm just not > > that into it. I can appreciate those bikes in others hands :-) > > > > Best, > > > > > > ~Hugh > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:34 PM, cyclotourist > > wrote: > > > >> My 2001 Rivs are pretty much period correct! > >> > >> On 10/10/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > >> > Yes they like Steel & lugs with skinny tires, I've met some of these > >> > fellows and the criticisms can get annoying if your bike is not > >> completely > >> > era specific...to each their own :-) > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > > >> > > >> > ~Hugh > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM, cyclotourist > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Pass has a good deal of steel bike appreciation: > >> >> http://www.velo-retro.com/roseBowlVintRide.html :-) > >> >> > >> >> On 10/10/13, hsmitham wrote: > >> >> > No doubt David but then Redlands has a strong off road contingent, > >> >> Pasadena > >> >> > > >> >> > seems to be race bike and MTB downhill bombing centric. I suspect > >> >> > that > >> >> > people with the means to purchase a Steel lugged in Pasadena and > Los > >> >> > Angeles perceive these bikes as either old fashioned or clunky, > >> >> > little > >> >> > do > >> >> > they realize just how off that perception is...further more shops > >> >> > like > >> >> the > >> >> > one I mentioned leave a niche for bike stores like GSC Golden > Saddle > >> >> > Cyclery in Silver Lake, so the tide continues to rise in a good > way. > >> >> > > >> >> > ~Hugh > >> >> > > >> >> > On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:19:20 PM UTC-7, > >> >> > cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I wonder why a reputable bike shop couldn't sell MCRBs... AND > steel > >> >> >> bikes with fat tires? > >> >> >> My LBS has a Crosscheck and LHT or two tucked in there amongst all > >> the > >> >> >> crabon fibre, and seems to be surviving financially. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 10/10/13, hsmitham > wrote: > >> >> >> > I think I'm in the camp with Mike S. If it provides more tire > >> >> >> > options > >> >> >> it's > >> >> >> > a wonderful thing! As far as the race thing goes...I read a > thing > >> >> >> > from > >> >> >> our > >> >> >> > very own Patrick ( Paraphrasing here) that he enjoys watching > the > >> >> BORAF > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > others but has no desire to actually race or dress like a racer, > >> >> which I > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > totally agree with. Racing has created some interesting > technical > >> >> >> > develpoments that trickle down some good, some questionable. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > And yes Chris the smile disarms all those wondering about the > >> >> >> > upright > >> >> >> > comfortable bike. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Quick anecdotal, while still riding Carbon I was in my LBS in > >> >> >> > Pasadena > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> > I was looking at all the bikes (I was aware of Rivendell but > >> figured > >> >> >> they > >> >> >> > were out of my league) in the store and one of the managers > >> >> >> > approached > >> >> >> me > >> >> >> > and asked if I need help? I asked him if ever they planed on > >> >> >> > bringing > >> >> in > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > any steel lugged bicycles with good tire clearances, he looked > at > >> me > >> >> >> with > >> >> >> > such disdain ad said something to the effect that that's not > >> >> >> > their > >> >> >> market > >> >> >> > and figure it never will be...I was floored by his arrogance. > >> >> >> > Soon > >> >> after > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > that I sold my Crapon bike and started the process of buying a > >> >> >> Rivendell. > >> >> >> > Thank God Grant went contrary to the trends of the day. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ~Hugh > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the > >> >> >> >> pleasures > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. > >> >> >> >> It > >> >> seems > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of > bicycle > >> >> >> >> activity. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > >> >> >> > Google > >> >> >> Groups > >> >> >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > it, > >> >> >> > send > >> >> >> an > >> >> >> > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . > >> >> >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> >> >> > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > >
Re: [RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
That's funny. I didn't realize they were so obsessive. Everyone needs a hobby! On 10/10/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > Yep, but I feel they don't need to be, I had a 90's era Pinarello Montello > and it was pretty period with a few exceptions and I got an ear full. I > totally appreciate what these guy's do it's fantastic, but I'm just not > that into it. I can appreciate those bikes in others hands :-) > > Best, > > > ~Hugh > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:34 PM, cyclotourist > wrote: > >> My 2001 Rivs are pretty much period correct! >> >> On 10/10/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: >> > Yes they like Steel & lugs with skinny tires, I've met some of these >> > fellows and the criticisms can get annoying if your bike is not >> completely >> > era specific...to each their own :-) >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > >> > ~Hugh >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM, cyclotourist >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Pass has a good deal of steel bike appreciation: >> >> http://www.velo-retro.com/roseBowlVintRide.html :-) >> >> >> >> On 10/10/13, hsmitham wrote: >> >> > No doubt David but then Redlands has a strong off road contingent, >> >> Pasadena >> >> > >> >> > seems to be race bike and MTB downhill bombing centric. I suspect >> >> > that >> >> > people with the means to purchase a Steel lugged in Pasadena and Los >> >> > Angeles perceive these bikes as either old fashioned or clunky, >> >> > little >> >> > do >> >> > they realize just how off that perception is...further more shops >> >> > like >> >> the >> >> > one I mentioned leave a niche for bike stores like GSC Golden Saddle >> >> > Cyclery in Silver Lake, so the tide continues to rise in a good way. >> >> > >> >> > ~Hugh >> >> > >> >> > On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:19:20 PM UTC-7, >> >> > cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I wonder why a reputable bike shop couldn't sell MCRBs... AND steel >> >> >> bikes with fat tires? >> >> >> My LBS has a Crosscheck and LHT or two tucked in there amongst all >> the >> >> >> crabon fibre, and seems to be surviving financially. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/10/13, hsmitham > wrote: >> >> >> > I think I'm in the camp with Mike S. If it provides more tire >> >> >> > options >> >> >> it's >> >> >> > a wonderful thing! As far as the race thing goes...I read a thing >> >> >> > from >> >> >> our >> >> >> > very own Patrick ( Paraphrasing here) that he enjoys watching the >> >> BORAF >> >> >> > >> >> >> and >> >> >> > >> >> >> > others but has no desire to actually race or dress like a racer, >> >> which I >> >> >> > >> >> >> > totally agree with. Racing has created some interesting technical >> >> >> > develpoments that trickle down some good, some questionable. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > And yes Chris the smile disarms all those wondering about the >> >> >> > upright >> >> >> > comfortable bike. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Quick anecdotal, while still riding Carbon I was in my LBS in >> >> >> > Pasadena >> >> >> and >> >> >> > I was looking at all the bikes (I was aware of Rivendell but >> figured >> >> >> they >> >> >> > were out of my league) in the store and one of the managers >> >> >> > approached >> >> >> me >> >> >> > and asked if I need help? I asked him if ever they planed on >> >> >> > bringing >> >> in >> >> >> > >> >> >> > any steel lugged bicycles with good tire clearances, he looked at >> me >> >> >> with >> >> >> > such disdain ad said something to the effect that that's not >> >> >> > their >> >> >> market >> >> >> > and figure it never will be...I was floored by his arrogance. >> >> >> > Soon >> >> after >> >> >> > >> >> >> > that I sold my Crapon bike and started the process of buying a >> >> >> Rivendell. >> >> >> > Thank God Grant went contrary to the trends of the day. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ~Hugh >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the >> >> >> >> pleasures >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. >> >> >> >> It >> >> seems >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle >> >> >> >> activity. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> >> >> > Google >> >> >> Groups >> >> >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> >> >> > send >> >> >> an >> >> >> > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> >> >> > To post to this group, send email to >> >> >> > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> >> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > You received this message because y
Re: [RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
Yep, but I feel they don't need to be, I had a 90's era Pinarello Montello and it was pretty period with a few exceptions and I got an ear full. I totally appreciate what these guy's do it's fantastic, but I'm just not that into it. I can appreciate those bikes in others hands :-) Best, ~Hugh On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:34 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > My 2001 Rivs are pretty much period correct! > > On 10/10/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > > Yes they like Steel & lugs with skinny tires, I've met some of these > > fellows and the criticisms can get annoying if your bike is not > completely > > era specific...to each their own :-) > > > > Best, > > > > > > ~Hugh > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM, cyclotourist > > wrote: > > > >> Pass has a good deal of steel bike appreciation: > >> http://www.velo-retro.com/roseBowlVintRide.html :-) > >> > >> On 10/10/13, hsmitham wrote: > >> > No doubt David but then Redlands has a strong off road contingent, > >> Pasadena > >> > > >> > seems to be race bike and MTB downhill bombing centric. I suspect that > >> > people with the means to purchase a Steel lugged in Pasadena and Los > >> > Angeles perceive these bikes as either old fashioned or clunky, little > >> > do > >> > they realize just how off that perception is...further more shops like > >> the > >> > one I mentioned leave a niche for bike stores like GSC Golden Saddle > >> > Cyclery in Silver Lake, so the tide continues to rise in a good way. > >> > > >> > ~Hugh > >> > > >> > On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:19:20 PM UTC-7, > >> > cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: > >> >> > >> >> I wonder why a reputable bike shop couldn't sell MCRBs... AND steel > >> >> bikes with fat tires? > >> >> My LBS has a Crosscheck and LHT or two tucked in there amongst all > the > >> >> crabon fibre, and seems to be surviving financially. > >> >> > >> >> On 10/10/13, hsmitham > wrote: > >> >> > I think I'm in the camp with Mike S. If it provides more tire > >> >> > options > >> >> it's > >> >> > a wonderful thing! As far as the race thing goes...I read a thing > >> >> > from > >> >> our > >> >> > very own Patrick ( Paraphrasing here) that he enjoys watching the > >> BORAF > >> >> > > >> >> and > >> >> > > >> >> > others but has no desire to actually race or dress like a racer, > >> which I > >> >> > > >> >> > totally agree with. Racing has created some interesting technical > >> >> > develpoments that trickle down some good, some questionable. > >> >> > > >> >> > And yes Chris the smile disarms all those wondering about the > >> >> > upright > >> >> > comfortable bike. > >> >> > > >> >> > Quick anecdotal, while still riding Carbon I was in my LBS in > >> >> > Pasadena > >> >> and > >> >> > I was looking at all the bikes (I was aware of Rivendell but > figured > >> >> they > >> >> > were out of my league) in the store and one of the managers > >> >> > approached > >> >> me > >> >> > and asked if I need help? I asked him if ever they planed on > >> >> > bringing > >> in > >> >> > > >> >> > any steel lugged bicycles with good tire clearances, he looked at > me > >> >> with > >> >> > such disdain ad said something to the effect that that's not their > >> >> market > >> >> > and figure it never will be...I was floored by his arrogance. Soon > >> after > >> >> > > >> >> > that I sold my Crapon bike and started the process of buying a > >> >> Rivendell. > >> >> > Thank God Grant went contrary to the trends of the day. > >> >> > > >> >> > ~Hugh > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It > >> seems > >> >> >> > >> >> to > >> >> >> > >> >> >> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle > >> >> >> activity. > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >> Groups > >> >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >> >> > send > >> >> an > >> >> > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . > >> >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> >> > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > >> >> > >> >> > Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > >> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> David > >> >> > >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > >> >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >> > an > >> > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> > Visit this group at http://grou
Re: [RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
My 2001 Rivs are pretty much period correct! On 10/10/13, Hugh Smitham wrote: > Yes they like Steel & lugs with skinny tires, I've met some of these > fellows and the criticisms can get annoying if your bike is not completely > era specific...to each their own :-) > > Best, > > > ~Hugh > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM, cyclotourist > wrote: > >> Pass has a good deal of steel bike appreciation: >> http://www.velo-retro.com/roseBowlVintRide.html :-) >> >> On 10/10/13, hsmitham wrote: >> > No doubt David but then Redlands has a strong off road contingent, >> Pasadena >> > >> > seems to be race bike and MTB downhill bombing centric. I suspect that >> > people with the means to purchase a Steel lugged in Pasadena and Los >> > Angeles perceive these bikes as either old fashioned or clunky, little >> > do >> > they realize just how off that perception is...further more shops like >> the >> > one I mentioned leave a niche for bike stores like GSC Golden Saddle >> > Cyclery in Silver Lake, so the tide continues to rise in a good way. >> > >> > ~Hugh >> > >> > On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:19:20 PM UTC-7, >> > cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: >> >> >> >> I wonder why a reputable bike shop couldn't sell MCRBs... AND steel >> >> bikes with fat tires? >> >> My LBS has a Crosscheck and LHT or two tucked in there amongst all the >> >> crabon fibre, and seems to be surviving financially. >> >> >> >> On 10/10/13, hsmitham > wrote: >> >> > I think I'm in the camp with Mike S. If it provides more tire >> >> > options >> >> it's >> >> > a wonderful thing! As far as the race thing goes...I read a thing >> >> > from >> >> our >> >> > very own Patrick ( Paraphrasing here) that he enjoys watching the >> BORAF >> >> > >> >> and >> >> > >> >> > others but has no desire to actually race or dress like a racer, >> which I >> >> > >> >> > totally agree with. Racing has created some interesting technical >> >> > develpoments that trickle down some good, some questionable. >> >> > >> >> > And yes Chris the smile disarms all those wondering about the >> >> > upright >> >> > comfortable bike. >> >> > >> >> > Quick anecdotal, while still riding Carbon I was in my LBS in >> >> > Pasadena >> >> and >> >> > I was looking at all the bikes (I was aware of Rivendell but figured >> >> they >> >> > were out of my league) in the store and one of the managers >> >> > approached >> >> me >> >> > and asked if I need help? I asked him if ever they planed on >> >> > bringing >> in >> >> > >> >> > any steel lugged bicycles with good tire clearances, he looked at me >> >> with >> >> > such disdain ad said something to the effect that that's not their >> >> market >> >> > and figure it never will be...I was floored by his arrogance. Soon >> after >> >> > >> >> > that I sold my Crapon bike and started the process of buying a >> >> Rivendell. >> >> > Thank God Grant went contrary to the trends of the day. >> >> > >> >> > ~Hugh >> >> > >> >> > On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures >> >> >> of >> >> >> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It >> seems >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle >> >> >> activity. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups >> >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> >> > send >> >> an >> >> > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> >> > To post to this group, send email to >> >> > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> >> >> >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Cheers, >> >> David >> >> >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> > an >> > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/qlJX8DFoOhE/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu
Re: [RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
Yes they like Steel & lugs with skinny tires, I've met some of these fellows and the criticisms can get annoying if your bike is not completely era specific...to each their own :-) Best, ~Hugh On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > Pass has a good deal of steel bike appreciation: > http://www.velo-retro.com/roseBowlVintRide.html :-) > > On 10/10/13, hsmitham wrote: > > No doubt David but then Redlands has a strong off road contingent, > Pasadena > > > > seems to be race bike and MTB downhill bombing centric. I suspect that > > people with the means to purchase a Steel lugged in Pasadena and Los > > Angeles perceive these bikes as either old fashioned or clunky, little do > > they realize just how off that perception is...further more shops like > the > > one I mentioned leave a niche for bike stores like GSC Golden Saddle > > Cyclery in Silver Lake, so the tide continues to rise in a good way. > > > > ~Hugh > > > > On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:19:20 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: > >> > >> I wonder why a reputable bike shop couldn't sell MCRBs... AND steel > >> bikes with fat tires? > >> My LBS has a Crosscheck and LHT or two tucked in there amongst all the > >> crabon fibre, and seems to be surviving financially. > >> > >> On 10/10/13, hsmitham > wrote: > >> > I think I'm in the camp with Mike S. If it provides more tire options > >> it's > >> > a wonderful thing! As far as the race thing goes...I read a thing from > >> our > >> > very own Patrick ( Paraphrasing here) that he enjoys watching the > BORAF > >> > > >> and > >> > > >> > others but has no desire to actually race or dress like a racer, > which I > >> > > >> > totally agree with. Racing has created some interesting technical > >> > develpoments that trickle down some good, some questionable. > >> > > >> > And yes Chris the smile disarms all those wondering about the upright > >> > comfortable bike. > >> > > >> > Quick anecdotal, while still riding Carbon I was in my LBS in Pasadena > >> and > >> > I was looking at all the bikes (I was aware of Rivendell but figured > >> they > >> > were out of my league) in the store and one of the managers approached > >> me > >> > and asked if I need help? I asked him if ever they planed on bringing > in > >> > > >> > any steel lugged bicycles with good tire clearances, he looked at me > >> with > >> > such disdain ad said something to the effect that that's not their > >> market > >> > and figure it never will be...I was floored by his arrogance. Soon > after > >> > > >> > that I sold my Crapon bike and started the process of buying a > >> Rivendell. > >> > Thank God Grant went contrary to the trends of the day. > >> > > >> > ~Hugh > >> > > >> > On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: > >> >> > >> >> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of > >> >> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It > seems > >> >> > >> to > >> >> > >> >> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle > >> >> activity. > >> >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups > >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >> an > >> > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . > >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > >> > >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cheers, > >> David > >> > >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > Cheers, > David > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/qlJX8DFoOhE/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop r
Re: [RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
Pass has a good deal of steel bike appreciation: http://www.velo-retro.com/roseBowlVintRide.html :-) On 10/10/13, hsmitham wrote: > No doubt David but then Redlands has a strong off road contingent, Pasadena > > seems to be race bike and MTB downhill bombing centric. I suspect that > people with the means to purchase a Steel lugged in Pasadena and Los > Angeles perceive these bikes as either old fashioned or clunky, little do > they realize just how off that perception is...further more shops like the > one I mentioned leave a niche for bike stores like GSC Golden Saddle > Cyclery in Silver Lake, so the tide continues to rise in a good way. > > ~Hugh > > On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:19:20 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I wonder why a reputable bike shop couldn't sell MCRBs... AND steel >> bikes with fat tires? >> My LBS has a Crosscheck and LHT or two tucked in there amongst all the >> crabon fibre, and seems to be surviving financially. >> >> On 10/10/13, hsmitham > wrote: >> > I think I'm in the camp with Mike S. If it provides more tire options >> it's >> > a wonderful thing! As far as the race thing goes...I read a thing from >> our >> > very own Patrick ( Paraphrasing here) that he enjoys watching the BORAF >> > >> and >> > >> > others but has no desire to actually race or dress like a racer, which I >> > >> > totally agree with. Racing has created some interesting technical >> > develpoments that trickle down some good, some questionable. >> > >> > And yes Chris the smile disarms all those wondering about the upright >> > comfortable bike. >> > >> > Quick anecdotal, while still riding Carbon I was in my LBS in Pasadena >> and >> > I was looking at all the bikes (I was aware of Rivendell but figured >> they >> > were out of my league) in the store and one of the managers approached >> me >> > and asked if I need help? I asked him if ever they planed on bringing in >> > >> > any steel lugged bicycles with good tire clearances, he looked at me >> with >> > such disdain ad said something to the effect that that's not their >> market >> > and figure it never will be...I was floored by his arrogance. Soon after >> > >> > that I sold my Crapon bike and started the process of buying a >> Rivendell. >> > Thank God Grant went contrary to the trends of the day. >> > >> > ~Hugh >> > >> > On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: >> >> >> >> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of >> >> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle >> >> activity. >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an >> > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> > To post to this group, send email to >> > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
No doubt David but then Redlands has a strong off road contingent, Pasadena seems to be race bike and MTB downhill bombing centric. I suspect that people with the means to purchase a Steel lugged in Pasadena and Los Angeles perceive these bikes as either old fashioned or clunky, little do they realize just how off that perception is...further more shops like the one I mentioned leave a niche for bike stores like GSC Golden Saddle Cyclery in Silver Lake, so the tide continues to rise in a good way. ~Hugh On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:19:20 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: > > I wonder why a reputable bike shop couldn't sell MCRBs... AND steel > bikes with fat tires? > My LBS has a Crosscheck and LHT or two tucked in there amongst all the > crabon fibre, and seems to be surviving financially. > > On 10/10/13, hsmitham > wrote: > > I think I'm in the camp with Mike S. If it provides more tire options > it's > > a wonderful thing! As far as the race thing goes...I read a thing from > our > > very own Patrick ( Paraphrasing here) that he enjoys watching the BORAF > and > > > > others but has no desire to actually race or dress like a racer, which I > > totally agree with. Racing has created some interesting technical > > develpoments that trickle down some good, some questionable. > > > > And yes Chris the smile disarms all those wondering about the upright > > comfortable bike. > > > > Quick anecdotal, while still riding Carbon I was in my LBS in Pasadena > and > > I was looking at all the bikes (I was aware of Rivendell but figured > they > > were out of my league) in the store and one of the managers approached > me > > and asked if I need help? I asked him if ever they planed on bringing in > > any steel lugged bicycles with good tire clearances, he looked at me > with > > such disdain ad said something to the effect that that's not their > market > > and figure it never will be...I was floored by his arrogance. Soon after > > that I sold my Crapon bike and started the process of buying a > Rivendell. > > Thank God Grant went contrary to the trends of the day. > > > > ~Hugh > > > > On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: > >> > >> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of > >> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems > to > >> > >> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle > >> activity. > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . > > To post to this group, send email to > > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > Cheers, > David > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
I wonder why a reputable bike shop couldn't sell MCRBs... AND steel bikes with fat tires? My LBS has a Crosscheck and LHT or two tucked in there amongst all the crabon fibre, and seems to be surviving financially. On 10/10/13, hsmitham wrote: > I think I'm in the camp with Mike S. If it provides more tire options it's > a wonderful thing! As far as the race thing goes...I read a thing from our > very own Patrick ( Paraphrasing here) that he enjoys watching the BORAF and > > others but has no desire to actually race or dress like a racer, which I > totally agree with. Racing has created some interesting technical > develpoments that trickle down some good, some questionable. > > And yes Chris the smile disarms all those wondering about the upright > comfortable bike. > > Quick anecdotal, while still riding Carbon I was in my LBS in Pasadena and > I was looking at all the bikes (I was aware of Rivendell but figured they > were out of my league) in the store and one of the managers approached me > and asked if I need help? I asked him if ever they planed on bringing in > any steel lugged bicycles with good tire clearances, he looked at me with > such disdain ad said something to the effect that that's not their market > and figure it never will be...I was floored by his arrogance. Soon after > that I sold my Crapon bike and started the process of buying a Rivendell. > Thank God Grant went contrary to the trends of the day. > > ~Hugh > > On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: >> >> What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of >> off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to >> >> me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle >> activity. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
I think I'm in the camp with Mike S. If it provides more tire options it's a wonderful thing! As far as the race thing goes...I read a thing from our very own Patrick ( Paraphrasing here) that he enjoys watching the BORAF and others but has no desire to actually race or dress like a racer, which I totally agree with. Racing has created some interesting technical develpoments that trickle down some good, some questionable. And yes Chris the smile disarms all those wondering about the upright comfortable bike. Quick anecdotal, while still riding Carbon I was in my LBS in Pasadena and I was looking at all the bikes (I was aware of Rivendell but figured they were out of my league) in the store and one of the managers approached me and asked if I need help? I asked him if ever they planed on bringing in any steel lugged bicycles with good tire clearances, he looked at me with such disdain ad said something to the effect that that's not their market and figure it never will be...I was floored by his arrogance. Soon after that I sold my Crapon bike and started the process of buying a Rivendell. Thank God Grant went contrary to the trends of the day. ~Hugh On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: > > What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of > off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to > me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
While more choice of bikes is a good thing ... limiting them to disc brakes is not. To me this just a way to promote disc brakes for road bikes ... lol. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-pivotal-moment.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
http://www.g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-open-source-naming-project.html http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2013/09/open-source-naming-project-open-letter.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
I think this is just the big companies trying to catch up with the little guys who've been doing this already... Like Riv or Salsa/Surly/Soma. I'm hoping it will bring out more suitable tires and rims. And, of course this was what mountain biking was all about in the 80's. Rigid steel bikes with lugs, comfortable for all kinds of riding, before shocks came on the market and the whole downhill thing screwed up everything. ~mike On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote: > > What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of > off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to > me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
The bike biz is always looking for new angles to sell "gravel race bikes" the latest . Variety is always good ! All that I have seen are disc brake only though. I'd likely have a frame made that can disc or canti or calipers , or at least the latter 2. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
Take a look at the history of recreational skis, 25 years ago every advanced skier skied on a ski that "racing" written on it somewhere. Now nobody takes racing skis off of the race course unless they are carving trenches on the groomers. The technology still trickles down to the "all mountain" or "free rider" crowd. Give it time, people just may see the light. In the meantime enjoy some of the technology that is making its way to "country bikes" On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:31:23 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > "I just don't get it or the allure of racing pushing bikes and using > racing as a selling point." > > > Seriously. Pushing racing bikes on everybody made as much sense as > pushing Formula 1 race cars on everybody, regardless of how they drive, and > track racing cleats for everybody, regardless of how or where they walk or > run. Comparatively speaking, we are in a golden age of bicycles. There's > so much more variety today than there was 20 years ago. Gravel grinders > are just part of the story. Things seem to be getting better and better, > too. IMO > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
"I just don't get it or the allure of racing pushing bikes and using racing as a selling point." Seriously. Pushing racing bikes on everybody made as much sense as pushing Formula 1 race cars on everybody, regardless of how they drive, and track racing cleats for everybody, regardless of how or where they walk or run. Comparatively speaking, we are in a golden age of bicycles. There's so much more variety today than there was 20 years ago. Gravel grinders are just part of the story. Things seem to be getting better and better, too. IMO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
I think the addition of "gravel grinder" or "cyclocross" into the big bike stores will be a welcomed addition to any rider's fleet, but the problem I have with really most of the bigger manufacturers is that they always sell through racing. Cyclocross is a race, gravel grinder is being sold as a race. I just don't get it or the allure of racing pushing bikes and using racing as a selling point. That is one, and not really the biggest, reason I love Riv. I got to ride with a friend who is getting into cycling this past weekend. We did a 15mph or so ramble through some flat country roads I know. He couldn't keep asking about my bike (sam hillborne with Pari Motos, quill stem, leather saddle, friction shifting ect...and why I picked a bike like that for riding. He was on a Motobecane road bike, 23mm tires and a saddle that hurts his behind. He complains about comfort on that bike and I just had to nicely school him on what makes a bike comfortable, why I chose the ride I had, why my bike is comfortable for 100 miles while he gets saddle sores and an aching back. He just can't get the "you have to be fast or at least trying to be fast" when you are riding out of his head. I think my next bike is going to be a Yves Gomez or some other riv with upright bars and some fatty wide tires, fully fendered, awesome lookingand I am going to ride it on the singletrack around here. I just love coming across people on their carbon wonderbikes and having them see, maybe for the first time, how you can be comfortable and carefree without needing to be racing all the time. You can actually have fun on the bike without having to race or look like you are racing. Anyway, I am kind of ranting because I am bored at work and want to be riding my Riv. In the end, bikes that will allow wider tires and be ridden on the road and gravel are always good. They probably will not be as nice as my Rivs though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding
Wai... Wha? I could ride my bike off pavement? Gah! I wish I'd known sooner. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:33:50 AM UTC-6, ayjaydee wrote: > > What are your thoughts on this sudden "discovery" of the pleasures of > off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to > me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
