Re: [RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-29 Thread Ryan Fleming
Mine was painted Sherwood Forest;;it's a metallic dark green. Yours looks
like it's a metallic olive or sage green. Do you miss it at all?

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 11:15, Mike Godwin  wrote:

> [image: bike0001.JPG]
> AR talk! Just wondering Ryan, is this the one you have? My old Waterford
> made AR, I think I sold it in early 2000s.
> Original build was Bullseye hubs, 600 crank with tripleizer ring, XC pro
> derailleurs and brakes, Superbe or Modolo levers, Sun Ringle skewers IIRC
> 
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 7:50:15 AM UTC-7, Ryan Mallory Fleming
> wrote:
>
>> it's a beauty...but more like a 96 or 97. Built by Waterford. Has W
>> seat-stay attachments and Reynolds 753 w 531 fork.. I know this because I
>> own one but mine is metallic green w. cream headtube. Classic build and
>> looks like it's in nice shape
>>
>> On Saturday, 16 March 2019 09:37:59 UTC-5, Jesse wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder precisely what color that is? It's the one.
>>>
>>> Beautiful Riv. Got a thing for the old allrounders.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-23 Thread Patrick Moore
Matt: Sorry to hear about the damage and hassle and loss.

George: A *reputable* insurance company won't jerk you around about
reimbursement, as long as you give good *prima facie *evidence that you are
not trying to jerk *them* around. Long ago I had a mid level mountain bike
and a nice tool collection stolen from a locked shed, and I had no receipts
at all -- much of the stuff was bought second hand. But I was able to list
almost every single item by maker, type, and rough retail value, and I got
reimbursed full replacement minus the deductible (allowed me to buy a nice
7-speed *tout Sante *Falcon). A second claim, 8 years later, after I was
gently hit by a car, also resulted in full reimbursement for property, loss
of use, loss of income, and pain and suffering. Once again, if you can
substantiate value, even anecdotally, you get satisfaction.

Note that, if you don't have "replacement value" specified for your
homeowner's or renter's policy, you should change it so that it does
specify this reimbursement. With actual cash value reimbursement you are at
the mercy of the adjusters.

Patrick Moore, who used to sell insurance.

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 9:15 AM George Schick  wrote:

> This is indeed a sad story, especially given the demise of a much sought
> after Rivendell vintage bike.  And it got me thinking about how we should
> be considering the value of some of our bikes.  I see pricing on this blog
> that is often in the $500 - $1000 range at the low end (and sometimes just
> for a frame) to well over $1000, model, age, and component dependent.  But
> if something drastic happens to these bikes (destroyed, stolen, etc.) will
> our insurance company compensate us accordingly?  I still have all of the
> original receipts for my Ram frame and parts totaling well over $2K, but
> somehow I don't think I'd see anywhere near that kind of money from an
> adjuster for a bike going on 15+ years old.  Has anyone looked into a way
> to insure their bikes as something much more valuable than just an
> "appliance" or (gag) a "toy" in the eyes of their insurer?  And, if so,
> would they charge some ridiculous rates for it?  Just wondering.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-23 Thread George Schick
This is indeed a sad story, especially given the demise of a much sought 
after Rivendell vintage bike.  And it got me thinking about how we should 
be considering the value of some of our bikes.  I see pricing on this blog 
that is often in the $500 - $1000 range at the low end (and sometimes just 
for a frame) to well over $1000, model, age, and component dependent.  But 
if something drastic happens to these bikes (destroyed, stolen, etc.) will 
our insurance company compensate us accordingly?  I still have all of the 
original receipts for my Ram frame and parts totaling well over $2K, but 
somehow I don't think I'd see anywhere near that kind of money from an 
adjuster for a bike going on 15+ years old.  Has anyone looked into a way 
to insure their bikes as something much more valuable than just an 
"appliance" or (gag) a "toy" in the eyes of their insurer?  And, if so, 
would they charge some ridiculous rates for it?  Just wondering.

On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 6:48:03 AM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> Well, the frame arrived a few days ago and it looks like a forklift 
> crashed through the side of the box. The rear dropout is damaged and the 
> frame appears slightly tweaked.  An estimate I received is $575, plus 
> shipping, to fix it. There is also a local framebuilders that can fix it 
> for relatively cheap, but he offers powder coat instead of paint and I 
> would like to keep the decals. 
>
> It is all repairable and I figured insurance could cover that, but I 
> suspect Pros Closet does not insure the shipments. They said I would get an 
> insurance estimate within 24 hours, but I am still waiting. When I was on 
> the phone with their support, they mentioned I should only expect about 
> $200-300, well less than the cost of a paint job needed to cover paint loss 
> from the repair. 
>
> They also blamed Fedex as offering very little, but $600 is a better pill 
> to swallow than $1700.  It does not make sense, unless PC did not insure it 
> properly. 
>
> In all, I’ve been a bit disappointed in this. It seems likely that I will 
> be returning the bike for a refund. :( 
>
> I might have a shot at the other one outed, but the seller wants to look 
> into some issues he found. Thankfully, he has been honest and open. 
>
> Best, 
> Matt 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-23 Thread Matt Beecher
Well, the frame arrived a few days ago and it looks like a forklift crashed 
through the side of the box. The rear dropout is damaged and the frame appears 
slightly tweaked.  An estimate I received is $575, plus shipping, to fix it. 
There is also a local framebuilders that can fix it for relatively cheap, but 
he offers powder coat instead of paint and I would like to keep the decals. 

It is all repairable and I figured insurance could cover that, but I suspect 
Pros Closet does not insure the shipments. They said I would get an insurance 
estimate within 24 hours, but I am still waiting. When I was on the phone with 
their support, they mentioned I should only expect about $200-300, well less 
than the cost of a paint job needed to cover paint loss from the repair. 

They also blamed Fedex as offering very little, but $600 is a better pill to 
swallow than $1700.  It does not make sense, unless PC did not insure it 
properly. 

In all, I’ve been a bit disappointed in this. It seems likely that I will be 
returning the bike for a refund. :(

I might have a shot at the other one outed, but the seller wants to look into 
some issues he found. Thankfully, he has been honest and open. 

Best,
Matt

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-21 Thread Ryan Mallory Fleming
it's a beauty...but more like a 96 or 97. Built by Waterford. Has W 
seat-stay attachments and Reynolds 753 w 531 fork.. I know this because I 
own one but mine is metallic green w. cream headtube. Classic build and 
looks like it's in nice shape

On Saturday, 16 March 2019 09:37:59 UTC-5, Jesse wrote:
>
> I wonder precisely what color that is? It's the one.
>
> Beautiful Riv. Got a thing for the old allrounders.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-19 Thread Kevin Lindsey
Matt -
Very sorry to hear that.  It was a good price for what looked like a pretty 
decent bike.
All the best,
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA
USA

On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 10:22:43 PM UTC-4, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> It was sold to somebody that offered more than the asking price and they 
> barely beat me to it. 
>
> Best regards,
> Matt
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-18 Thread Matt Beecher
It was sold to somebody that offered more than the asking price and they barely 
beat me to it. 

Best regards,
Matt

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-18 Thread Matt Beecher
I sent him a message. I'll let you know how it turns out.  
:)

I wish you kept that off the list though.  

Best,
Matt

On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 4:06:14 PM UTC-5, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Matt -
> FYI, there's a 59cm All Rounder on CL (
> https://tucson.craigslist.org/bik/d/oro-valley-rivendell-all-rounder-59-cm/6843768754.html)
>  
> if this one's too small.
> Just sayin'. :)
> All the best,
> Kevin
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 10:46:15 AM UTC-4, Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>> Lol. I have similar “RIH” feelings for a listmember with not 2, but 3 
>> Quickbeams.  I’m just kidding of course, but not about him hoarding 3 QB. 
>>  WTH!!!  :) 
>>
>> The AR has been on my list for a while too, but I gave up on finding one 
>> and settled for a beautiful xo-2.  I had thought a larger size AR was 
>> necessary, but quick research before I bought it is giving me some hope. 
>>  If it turns out to be too small, I will give you first right of refusal. I 
>> don’t expect that though, as I have continued to research this and I think 
>> it will be a good fit. 
>>
>> The odd thing is that I just bought a MIT AHH for the same purpose. I 
>> might be able to finish building that up today, if I can find a set of 
>> cable stops. 
>>
>> For anyone looking for a Betty Foy, they (Pros Closet) might have a 62 
>> for only $900. I recall some chatter about someone buying it, but then I 
>> thought I heard it got cancelled and someone else was after it. The weird 
>> part is that I cannot find it in a search inside their website, but I did 
>> see it with a simple google search and it can still be added to the cart. I 
>> was just looking for the pictures of the AR and stumbled on that. If the 
>> Betty were a 58 or 60, I would have bought that too. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>> Matt
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-18 Thread Kevin Lindsey
Matt -
FYI, there's a 59cm All Rounder on CL 
(https://tucson.craigslist.org/bik/d/oro-valley-rivendell-all-rounder-59-cm/6843768754.html)
 
if this one's too small.
Just sayin'. :)
All the best,
Kevin

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 10:46:15 AM UTC-4, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> Lol. I have similar “RIH” feelings for a listmember with not 2, but 3 
> Quickbeams.  I’m just kidding of course, but not about him hoarding 3 QB. 
>  WTH!!!  :) 
>
> The AR has been on my list for a while too, but I gave up on finding one 
> and settled for a beautiful xo-2.  I had thought a larger size AR was 
> necessary, but quick research before I bought it is giving me some hope. 
>  If it turns out to be too small, I will give you first right of refusal. I 
> don’t expect that though, as I have continued to research this and I think 
> it will be a good fit. 
>
> The odd thing is that I just bought a MIT AHH for the same purpose. I 
> might be able to finish building that up today, if I can find a set of 
> cable stops. 
>
> For anyone looking for a Betty Foy, they (Pros Closet) might have a 62 for 
> only $900. I recall some chatter about someone buying it, but then I 
> thought I heard it got cancelled and someone else was after it. The weird 
> part is that I cannot find it in a search inside their website, but I did 
> see it with a simple google search and it can still be added to the cart. I 
> was just looking for the pictures of the AR and stumbled on that. If the 
> Betty were a 58 or 60, I would have bought that too. 
>
> Cheers, 
> Matt

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-18 Thread Kevin Lindsey
Matt -
I'll take you up on your offer.  Please PM me if it turns out that the All 
Rounder is either too small or otherwise doesn't meet your expectations.
All the best,
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA
USA

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 10:46:15 AM UTC-4, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> Lol. I have similar “RIH” feelings for a listmember with not 2, but 3 
> Quickbeams.  I’m just kidding of course, but not about him hoarding 3 QB. 
>  WTH!!!  :) 
>
> The AR has been on my list for a while too, but I gave up on finding one 
> and settled for a beautiful xo-2.  I had thought a larger size AR was 
> necessary, but quick research before I bought it is giving me some hope. 
>  If it turns out to be too small, I will give you first right of refusal. I 
> don’t expect that though, as I have continued to research this and I think 
> it will be a good fit. 
>
> The odd thing is that I just bought a MIT AHH for the same purpose. I 
> might be able to finish building that up today, if I can find a set of 
> cable stops. 
>
> For anyone looking for a Betty Foy, they (Pros Closet) might have a 62 for 
> only $900. I recall some chatter about someone buying it, but then I 
> thought I heard it got cancelled and someone else was after it. The weird 
> part is that I cannot find it in a search inside their website, but I did 
> see it with a simple google search and it can still be added to the cart. I 
> was just looking for the pictures of the AR and stumbled on that. If the 
> Betty were a 58 or 60, I would have bought that too. 
>
> Cheers, 
> Matt

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-16 Thread Matt Beecher
Oops, they are 26” for that size. I heard there is room for 44.5mm wide tires 
with fenders.

Best,
Matt

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-16 Thread Matt Beecher
Lol. I have similar “RIH” feelings for a listmember with not 2, but 3 
Quickbeams.  I’m just kidding of course, but not about him hoarding 3 QB.  
WTH!!!  :)

The AR has been on my list for a while too, but I gave up on finding one and 
settled for a beautiful xo-2.  I had thought a larger size AR was necessary, 
but quick research before I bought it is giving me some hope.  If it turns out 
to be too small, I will give you first right of refusal. I don’t expect that 
though, as I have continued to research this and I think it will be a good fit.

The odd thing is that I just bought a MIT AHH for the same purpose. I might be 
able to finish building that up today, if I can find a set of cable stops. 

For anyone looking for a Betty Foy, they (Pros Closet) might have a 62 for only 
$900. I recall some chatter about someone buying it, but then I thought I heard 
it got cancelled and someone else was after it. The weird part is that I cannot 
find it in a search inside their website, but I did see it with a simple google 
search and it can still be added to the cart. I was just looking for the 
pictures of the AR and stumbled on that. If the Betty were a 58 or 60, I would 
have bought that too.

Cheers,
Matt

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-16 Thread Jesse
I wonder precisely what color that is? It's the one.

Beautiful Riv. Got a thing for the old allrounders.

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-16 Thread Kevin Lindsey
Matt -
That was painful.  An All-Rounder in that size has been my grail bike for a 
number of years now; you must have barely beaten me to the punch.
Are those wheels 650B or 700c?
All the best (actually, I'm hoping you rot in hell),
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA
USA

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> What All-Rounder.  Nothing to see here
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> Just noticed a Riv All Rounder for sale on the Pros Closet today. Size 
>> 57. Way too big for me but maybe it'll work for someone here...
>>
>>
>> https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-all-rounder-57cm-bike-1999
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-15 Thread Max S
Ride report, please! :-) 

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-14 Thread christian poppell
Happy for who ever got it! It seemed like a reasonable price. Little too 
small for me too.

Christian
Berkeley, CA

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:10:39 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>
> $1695 or something like that for a nicely built complete. I've seen a lot 
> of The Pros Closet listings on eBay and they seem to range from 
> weird-ridiculous pricing, but this one seemed about right.
>
> Darin
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>>
>> Indeed, inquiring minds. It's a hair too small for me, but it's the 
>> perfect color and build, so I'm curious how much I saved today.
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Los Angeles, CA USA
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:55:49 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>>
>>> How much was it going for?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-14 Thread DarinM
$1695 or something like that for a nicely built complete. I've seen a lot 
of The Pros Closet listings on eBay and they seem to range from 
weird-ridiculous pricing, but this one seemed about right.

Darin

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> Indeed, inquiring minds. It's a hair too small for me, but it's the 
> perfect color and build, so I'm curious how much I saved today.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:55:49 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> How much was it going for?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-14 Thread sameness
Indeed, inquiring minds. It's a hair too small for me, but it's the perfect 
color and build, so I'm curious how much I saved today.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:55:49 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> How much was it going for?
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-14 Thread Dave Grossman
Did you get it Matt?  How much was it going for?   I just bought some 
wheels from TPC last week.  They seem like they know their stuff.. Packed 
those suckers perfectly.


On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:51:44 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>
> Wow, that was quick! 
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:33:10 PM UTC-7, Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>> What All-Rounder.  Nothing to see here
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Folks,
>>>
>>> Just noticed a Riv All Rounder for sale on the Pros Closet today. Size 
>>> 57. Way too big for me but maybe it'll work for someone here...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-all-rounder-57cm-bike-1999
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-14 Thread Alan H
Wow, that was quick! 

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:33:10 PM UTC-7, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> What All-Rounder.  Nothing to see here
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> Just noticed a Riv All Rounder for sale on the Pros Closet today. Size 
>> 57. Way too big for me but maybe it'll work for someone here...
>>
>>
>> https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-all-rounder-57cm-bike-1999
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-14 Thread Doug Van Cleve
That is old skool Riv there, tripleized Mavic crank, non-aero brake levers,
friction shifting long cage Simplex rear derailleur...  What a great color,
my '99 Joex2 RRS is the same color.  Congrats, Matt!

Doug

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:33 PM Matt Beecher  wrote:

> What All-Rounder.  Nothing to see here
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> Just noticed a Riv All Rounder for sale on the Pros Closet today. Size
>> 57. Way too big for me but maybe it'll work for someone here...
>>
>>
>> https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-all-rounder-57cm-bike-1999
>>
>> Alan
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1999 Riv All Rounder

2019-03-14 Thread Matt Beecher
What All-Rounder.  Nothing to see here

Thanks,
Matt

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5, Alan H wrote:
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> Just noticed a Riv All Rounder for sale on the Pros Closet today. Size 57. 
> Way too big for me but maybe it'll work for someone here...
>
> https://www.theproscloset.com/products/rivendell-all-rounder-57cm-bike-1999
>
> Alan
>
>

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