[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Karl]

That’s what started me down the rabbit hole Edwin! Good eyes. They rent her. 
Wouldn’t name a price. Been enjoying the Hubba around town!

Karl

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Edwin W]

Karl,

Halcyon Bikes on 12th South had one of those out front in the last few 
months. You might check to see if it is still there. I think it was on 
consignment. 

Edwin

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-5, Karl wrote:
>
> Congratulations Chris! Looks fun! Let me know if it doesn’t work out. I 
> have been pondering travel bikes lately! 
>
> Karl 
> Nashville, TN

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[Karl]

Congratulations Chris! Looks fun! Let me know if it doesn’t work out. I have 
been pondering travel bikes lately!

Karl
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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Adam in Indiana]

I'm joining this discussion a little late, but my wife and I have a Bike Friday 
Family Tandem with the SRAM DualDrive.  I will agree that it doesn't ride quite 
the same (as well?) as a "regular" bike, but we do have a lot fun on it.  
Obviously, being able to pack a tandem into the trunk of a small car is a big 
perk, and it only takes about 15 minutes or so once you get the hang of it.

On another note, I love the DualDrive setup... Wish it was more popular and 
available!

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Steven Seelig]

Compared to a $600 Bike Friday tandem, my suggestion will be in the 
stratospheric realm.  For my young son and me, we invested in a Co-Motion 
tandem, the Torpedo model where the stoker seat can be raised from 4 foot 
something rider up to 6 feet.  We also got S&S couplers so we can fit into 
two suitcases for travel. It is super fantastic, and rides really as smooth 
as butter - Riv-like if you would.

The thing about a tandem with couplers is that only one wheel needs to fit 
in each suitcase, making the loading process a heckuva lot easier than 
loading a single, where the two wheel stuff gets pretty tight.  I would say 
that the breakdown and assembly are about the same hour as with the Bike 
Friday.  Where it is not as good is being able to stuff the tandem into the 
trunk of a car, so if you have a sedan, the Bike Friday would work.  But if 
like most 'Mericans you have an SUV or a station wagon like me, just detach 
the front section and the bike fits nicely.  BTW: it breaks into 3 section.

Price is an issue, of course, with a new bike being in the 5 grand range.  
I am told (by the dealer!?) that coupled tandems do hold their value, to 
which I can attest only to their rarity.  I just couldn't find another like 
this in the used market.

Aside from the fact that my stoker son is 9, and getting him to pedal 
steadily is a chore, the bike is a pleasure.  Let's see how many more years 
I get from it until he is ready to ride 50 mile days on his own bike.  

Steve Seelig



On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 1:38:07 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Kelly, 
> Long time no talk.  Feel free to call if you want more details. 
> I had a 66cm Bike Friday briefly and was surprised at the ride for riders 
> our size.  I second that the tire size (width) makes a difference when 
> trying to calm the steering a bit.  Mine accelerated brilliantly and would 
> have been a good fit for your intended purpose. 
> Although I adapted well to the ride and don’t see that being an issue for 
> you.  My wife did not like the look of me riding it. Her being a non 
> cyclist at the time; thought I looked like a “bear on a tricycle” (6’6” 
> 240lbs) and questioned why I was not riding my “normal” bikes (74cm 
> Bombadil or 68cm Quickbeam.  Not that others opinions would significantly 
> affect you nor I.  Nothing better than tightening up a Tilly for protection 
> and riding off. 
>
> Now regarding the Bike Friday Tandem I would not pull the trigger without 
> riding one first although they do hold used value and you could flip/resell 
> easily.  Most who rave about them to my knowledge are not our size and ride 
> them frequently with children and/or as introduction to Tandems.   
> I know you have evolved away from Rivendell but you might want to try 
> their tandem.  My wife wants to ride ours weekly and it is 100% better 
> (more enjoyable) than the Jumbo Cannondales we each owned in the past. 
> I consider mine custom-like and it is so dialed in we will never part with 
> it.  Grant’s willingness to add a size for us outliers is something I will 
> be forever grateful for and what makes him and RBW special.   
>
> Sincerely, 
> Ryan Hankinson 
> West Michigan 
> (616)928-4226 

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Abcyclehank]

Kelly,
Long time no talk.  Feel free to call if you want more details.
I had a 66cm Bike Friday briefly and was surprised at the ride for riders our 
size.  I second that the tire size (width) makes a difference when trying to 
calm the steering a bit.  Mine accelerated brilliantly and would have been a 
good fit for your intended purpose.
Although I adapted well to the ride and don’t see that being an issue for you.  
My wife did not like the look of me riding it. Her being a non cyclist at the 
time; thought I looked like a “bear on a tricycle” (6’6” 240lbs) and questioned 
why I was not riding my “normal” bikes (74cm Bombadil or 68cm Quickbeam.  Not 
that others opinions would significantly affect you nor I.  Nothing better than 
tightening up a Tilly for protection and riding off.

Now regarding the Bike Friday Tandem I would not pull the trigger without 
riding one first although they do hold used value and you could flip/resell 
easily.  Most who rave about them to my knowledge are not our size and ride 
them frequently with children and/or as introduction to Tandems.  
I know you have evolved away from Rivendell but you might want to try their 
tandem.  My wife wants to ride ours weekly and it is 100% better (more 
enjoyable) than the Jumbo Cannondales we each owned in the past. 
I consider mine custom-like and it is so dialed in we will never part with it.  
Grant’s willingness to add a size for us outliers is something I will be 
forever grateful for and what makes him and RBW special.  

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan
(616)928-4226 

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Eric Douglas]

As to the handing of small wheeled folding bikes, I find that tire width 
make a huge difference.

I have Schwalbe Big Apple 20 x 2.15 tires on both my Bike Friday Llama and 
Swift Folder.  No problems at all doing a week long tour or a century on 
the Llama.

Both bikes came with more narrow tires, and the handling suffered.  As far 
as I can tell, the wider tires stabllize the steering,

Eric 
On SaturdRBW Owners Bunch an


> ing their toddlers in trailers.  
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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Ron Mc]

oops, make that east coast of Australia - sorry

On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 5:30:05 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> my nephew and his wife traversed both the west coast of Australia and the 
> continental North Sea shore on their bike Fridays hauling their toddlers in 
> trailers.  
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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Ron Mc]

my nephew and his wife traversed both the west coast of Australia and the 
continental North Sea shore on their bike Fridays hauling their toddlers in 
trailers.  

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Surlyprof]

I also have a brompton with the large touring bag that I use for my 
commute.  I was able to set it up almost identically to my Hillborne.  It 
can be a little twitchy but you learn that smooth steering is all in the 
lean.  I also feel that it's about 20% more work than the Hillborne because 
of the 16" wheels.  I found Bike Fridays to be better in that respect.

Good Luck.

John

On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:21:45 AM UTC-7, T Cal wrote:
>
> I too have Brompton that I ride almost daily. It exceeded my expectations 
> in pretty much every way - especially comfort and ride quality. I’m 6’3” 
> with a pbh around 93. I’ve tricked mine out with various aftermarket bits 
> to make it lighter and shinier. Highly recommended  

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Mattt]

That is a great deal on the bike Friday tandem in Bismarck, ND.  Since he is 
selling his parents, I don’t think the seller understands the value. 

I had a bike friday takedown tandem that went into travel cases.  It rode fine, 
but didn’t have the complete feel like a “regular size” bike.  The take down 
takes about an hour and the learning curve will get it faster over time.  

If you have the money, might as well give it a try and enjoy life. 

Matt

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[JohnS]

Hello Kelly,

I'm very interested in your Roadeo should you decide to sell it. I have a 
single speed Brompton which I would include in the deal if it helps! 

Thanks,
JohnS


On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 5:45:40 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:
>
> I’m looking at a bike Friday tandem and a bike Friday world tour for me.   
> Anyone have any experience with either 
>
> I don’t have the post ready yet but am considering selling 
>
> 61cm roadeo in new condition 
> 64 cm bombadil.   
>
> Mind isn’t made up yet just thinking about it.   
>
> Kelly 
> 314-799-4743

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; very interesting photos. Funny, in the first photo, with the
seatpost all the way down, the tires look as if they're at least
40-somethings.

My Hon Solo has nominal 35s, actual 32s (406 X 1.35 Kojaks) and I've ridden
it once or twice on the acequia roads near my house; but our soil is so
sandy that, if the last rain is more than a couple of weeks gone, the sand
is just too deep to manage. (My ~29 mm Elk Passes, though, 24.75" in
diameter versus the 19" of the Kojaks, do noticeably better, tho' even
these flounder; point being that yes, diameter makes a difference.) I'd
like one day to replace the Kojaks with those Tioga Power Blocks that I've
heard nice things about -- 1.75"/44-45 mm as labeled.

I couldn't get it into an overhead bin, but Lyfte could certainly manage it.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 11:06 PM, Matt  wrote:

> Patrick—Sure thing:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/vfSWMxR4cgnUjusj2
>
> Some pics of it folded on the train, its half folded kickstand, my
> sister-in-law riding it at night (dynohub + lights), and out on a fire
> road. It has 16" wheels, 35mm wide so as long as the road isn't an absolute
> mess, you can manage it. But off road is just icing. Where it really excels
> is in a city. I ride it to work and put it under my desk and I never have
> to worry about having a bike with me if my day goes sideways. If I can't
> ride home, I just call a Lyft and put it in the trunk.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[T Cal]

I too have Brompton that I ride almost daily. It exceeded my expectations in 
pretty much every way - especially comfort and ride quality. I’m 6’3” with a 
pbh around 93. I’ve tricked mine out with various aftermarket bits to make it 
lighter and shinier. Highly recommended  

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I know of at least one lister (Anton) over at iBob who loved his Bike 
Friday tandem but traded it in for a Haul-a-Day when the kids got bigger. 
Think I have that right. 

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:33:57 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the comments!  Buying new they have stated that if I get it 
> and don't like it I am able to send it back for the cost of freight.  Which 
> is why I'm going to go ahead with the tandem.
>
> I'm not ready to dump my fleet of Rivendel's but am / have changed my 
> goals -  in retirement I've been driving over the road tour buses, an bike 
> friday might be a good fit since it doesn't need to be boxed just folded 
> for the trip - the tandem the same thing..  for flights they say to plan an 
> hour to box etc. 
>
> The ride will be the telling story... I' not about speed anymore nor super 
> long distance.. if it's comfortable for 50 ish miles then I'm golden for 
> the tandem.  
>
> In the early phases...  my wife doesn't ride the roadeo anymore - her go 
> to bike is the Betty Foy -  I am still in love with both my Bombadil and 
> AHH.  So even though I might part with the Bombadil nobody would pay the 
> price it would take for me to let it go (I don't think)
>
> I am making sure there are no one way trips down a rat hole with no way 
> out.. :)
>
> Kelly
>
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 4:45:40 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:
>>
>> I’m looking at a bike Friday tandem and a bike Friday world tour for me. 
>>   Anyone have any experience with either 
>>
>> I don’t have the post ready yet but am considering selling 
>>
>> 61cm roadeo in new condition 
>> 64 cm bombadil.   
>>
>> Mind isn’t made up yet just thinking about it.   
>>
>> Kelly 
>> 314-799-4743
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Matt]

Patrick—Sure thing:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vfSWMxR4cgnUjusj2

Some pics of it folded on the train, its half folded kickstand, my 
sister-in-law riding it at night (dynohub + lights), and out on a fire 
road. It has 16" wheels, 35mm wide so as long as the road isn't an absolute 
mess, you can manage it. But off road is just icing. Where it really excels 
is in a city. I ride it to work and put it under my desk and I never have 
to worry about having a bike with me if my day goes sideways. If I can't 
ride home, I just call a Lyft and put it in the trunk.



On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:27:10 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote:
>
> I have ridden my NWT with drop bars many thousands of miles, including 
> long tours around Michigan and through various mountain ranges in the east, 
> both loaded with panniers (and several times with a large SaddleSack--my 
> favorite) and towing the trailer.
>
> I agree with D. Patrick that it's twitchy. It rides nothing like my creamy 
> smooth Rambouillet EXCEPT it's the right size because I had them build it 
> that way. It's my second most-comfortable bike. I think it's fun to ride. 
>  It's so comfortable, I prefer touring on it, even though I have a nice 
> 1984 Trek 620.
>
> It's true that the long stem and seat mast are odd and bendy. But for me, 
> that's part of the lively fun. The summer that my Ram's chain stay broke, I 
> rode the BF as my exclusive road bike for months while my Ram was getting 
> repaired. I was overjoyed to have my Ram back the next summer, but I had 
> plenty of fun on the BF.
>
> PITA to pack in the suitcase? Sure. I don't do it that often, but it's 
> nice to have it when I arrive. Is the suitcase/trailer a PITA to tow? Yes, 
> especially off-pavement, but I have done it for several multi-day tours. I 
> carried it in its bag on Amtrak to and from my eastern tour. Very 
> convenient.
>
> So it's not even close to a Rivendell, ride-wise. But I find it to be a 
> fun backup bike. I look forward to taking it with me on retirement trips. 
>
> Bruce Taggart
> Okemos and Glen Arbor MI
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Patrick Moore]

Matt: I'd love to see a photo. Fits in overhead bin and handles fire roads
-- sounds like a winning niche product!

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Matt  wrote:

> I can't say enough glowing things about my Brompton if folding is your
> priority (and there are myriad resources out there for touring with them if
> that's what you're looking to do; start with pathlesspedaled.com). It's
> the bike I ride the most because it's my commuter and my city bike. I
> thought when I bought it it'd be a niche thing but it's so comfortable and
> versatile, I take it everywhere and can do nearly everything on it. Rides
> fire roads just fine too, as long as they aren't too loose. Fits in the
> overhead bin of a 777. I'm 6' tall and have the H bars, which are the most
> upright option. I'd give one to every college kid instead of a laptop.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 3:54:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I agree with the others to make sure you ride a New World Tourist first.
>> Even by small-wheeler standards - I've owned a bunch of folders - I found
>> the handling kinda twitchy and weird, and it's just about useless as a
>> traditional folding bike. Admittedly it's advertised as a suitcase bike,
>> but I expected at least *some* semblance of folding practicality..in
>> practice it just wasn't worth the bother.
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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Kelly]

Thanks for all the comments!  Buying new they have stated that if I get it 
and don't like it I am able to send it back for the cost of freight.  Which 
is why I'm going to go ahead with the tandem.

I'm not ready to dump my fleet of Rivendel's but am / have changed my goals 
-  in retirement I've been driving over the road tour buses, an bike friday 
might be a good fit since it doesn't need to be boxed just folded for the 
trip - the tandem the same thing..  for flights they say to plan an hour to 
box etc. 

The ride will be the telling story... I' not about speed anymore nor super 
long distance.. if it's comfortable for 50 ish miles then I'm golden for 
the tandem.  

In the early phases...  my wife doesn't ride the roadeo anymore - her go to 
bike is the Betty Foy -  I am still in love with both my Bombadil and AHH. 
 So even though I might part with the Bombadil nobody would pay the price 
it would take for me to let it go (I don't think)

I am making sure there are no one way trips down a rat hole with no way 
out.. :)

Kelly

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 4:45:40 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:
>
> I’m looking at a bike Friday tandem and a bike Friday world tour for me.   
> Anyone have any experience with either 
>
> I don’t have the post ready yet but am considering selling 
>
> 61cm roadeo in new condition 
> 64 cm bombadil.   
>
> Mind isn’t made up yet just thinking about it.   
>
> Kelly 
> 314-799-4743

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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Matt]

I can't say enough glowing things about my Brompton if folding is your 
priority (and there are myriad resources out there for touring with them if 
that's what you're looking to do; start with pathlesspedaled.com). It's the 
bike I ride the most because it's my commuter and my city bike. I thought 
when I bought it it'd be a niche thing but it's so comfortable and 
versatile, I take it everywhere and can do nearly everything on it. Rides 
fire roads just fine too, as long as they aren't too loose. Fits in the 
overhead bin of a 777. I'm 6' tall and have the H bars, which are the most 
upright option. I'd give one to every college kid instead of a laptop.


On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 3:54:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I agree with the others to make sure you ride a New World Tourist first. 
> Even by small-wheeler standards - I've owned a bunch of folders - I found 
> the handling kinda twitchy and weird, and it's just about useless as a 
> traditional folding bike. Admittedly it's advertised as a suitcase bike, 
> but I expected at least *some* semblance of folding practicality..in 
> practice it just wasn't worth the bother.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Reed Kennedy]

It depends on what you're looking to accomplish.

I spent thousands of dollars on a custom Bike Friday NWT, dreaming of
having a bike with me whenever I traveled.

After three trips I sold it at a significant loss.

A Friday is almost as much trouble to pack and carry around boxed as a
traditional bike in a Trico case. But when you get where you're going it
won't ride as well as the traditional bike.

I knew that, but bought one anyway because I thought the trailer suitcase
would be magic, allowing me to do easy point-to-point tours, flying in to
one airport and out another. In practice, the trailer was an utter dog to
pull, robbing almost all the joy from my riding. It was fragile as well,
breaking in a couple different ways in not-terribly intense use. It also
doubled the number of flat tires I got. I stopped using the trailer, and
without the trailer there's not much point to a Friday, at least for me.

They do save money on airline fees, though. The only reason I would go back
to a Friday is if I were flying with a bike several times a month on my own
dime.


Best,
Reed

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Garth  wrote:

>  I've considered their bikes before, but once I realized just how
> long/high of a "stem" I'd need to get a similar position to my 60cm
> Bombadil , I cannot imagine how it feel very solid and stable compared to a
> regular frame.
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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Garth]

 I've considered their bikes before, but once I realized just how long/high 
of a "stem" I'd need to get a similar position to my 60cm Bombadil , I 
cannot imagine how it feel very solid and stable compared to a regular 
frame.  

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