[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
John: Thanks for the heads up. Did not think of that at all. I will make some calls. On Jan 17, 9:49 pm, John Speare johnspe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:51 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I could give my All-Rounder to a homeless guy but it wouldn't really work any better for him than giving him an inexpensive, used-but-serviceable mountain bike. That is exactly the problem I am running into with my redundant touring bike. I have found many programs looking for bike donations. When you read the prospectus, however, it is clear most of these services are looking for basic transit bikes like a Trek Globe. I am sure these groups would take a touring bike, but it would never be used to its full ability. Not even close. That may not be a good assumption. You should contact the organizations. Your bike could be sold to fund other projects in the org. I volunteer for a local bike non-profit (pedals2people.org). A mechanic at a LBS donated his Bruce Gordon BLT. The frame was pristine and the components were all new. We sold the bike to raise funds for our free bike tune up events and other projects. The guy that bought the bike commutes on it daily and plans to tour on it too. As for having bikes sit around not being ridden, it drives me nuts. The Atlantis is the finest loaded touring bike I've ever ridden, but that's the only time I really rode it: loaded touring. Otherwise it just sat in my garage, passed over for daily trail riding and commuting. I sold it and don't regret it. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USAhttp://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Jan 15, 8:17�pm, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote: We have 3 Rivs, 2 iPods, and 1 double bass. �Okay, there is an out-of- tune piano and banjo in the basement, but not a single fountain pen in the house (but I might have to look into that ;-). �I've contemplated switching to Mac for years, and might actually make the leap when I change careers next year. Uh, that's just being redundant, stating that a banjo is out of tune big stupid grin for being able to insert a banjo joke on a bike list. And to address the consumption issue - yes, there are many a time I feel guilty about having all this stuff sitting around. It's one reason my wife and I decided to live in a small condo rather than a house. Trying to minimize our footprint somehow. Often do feel guilty about owning the Atlantis. When I'm not that good of a rider, don't deserve it and on and on. Then my wife reminds me that after going for a ride on the Rivendell, I almost always end up coming home smiling. And that's the simple answer - it makes me happy to own this (and other) inantimate objects. These things that aren't necessary, but make life a more enjoyable experience. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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On Jan 16, 2009, at 5:25 AM, EricP wrote: And to address the consumption issue - yes, there are many a time I feel guilty about having all this stuff sitting around. It's one reason my wife and I decided to live in a small condo rather than a house. Trying to minimize our footprint somehow. Often do feel guilty about owning the Atlantis. When I'm not that good of a rider, don't deserve it and on and on. Then my wife reminds me that after going for a ride on the Rivendell, I almost always end up coming home smiling. And that's the simple answer - it makes me happy to own this (and other) inantimate objects. These things that aren't necessary, but make life a more enjoyable experience. True. One could give away everything and live on $3 a day, but that wouldn't help the situation. The key to making the world a better place is not by increasing the number of people in poverty. I could give my All-Rounder to a homeless guy but it wouldn't really work any better for him than giving him an inexpensive, used-but-serviceable mountain bike. We've built a very strange world, one in which prosperity is based on greedy over-consumption (which is in turn fueled by spending on credit beyond our means, resulting in dramatic boom and bust cycles). I wonder what the world would be like if we had built it on generosity instead. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
I could give my All-Rounder to a homeless guy but it wouldn't really work any better for him than giving him an inexpensive, used-but-serviceable mountain bike. That is exactly the problem I am running into with my redundant touring bike. I have found many programs looking for bike donations. When you read the prospectus, however, it is clear most of these services are looking for basic transit bikes like a Trek Globe. I am sure these groups would take a touring bike, but it would never be used to its full ability. Not even close. Every now and then I read stories about people riding around the world for charities whose original bikes are destroyed or stolen or something. Such a person would be the ideal donation candidate. By the time I hear about them they usually have a new bike from some bike shop though. On Jan 16, 9:13 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Jan 16, 2009, at 5:25 AM, EricP wrote: And to address the consumption issue - yes, there are many a time I feel guilty about having all this stuff sitting around. It's one reason my wife and I decided to live in a small condo rather than a house. Trying to minimize our footprint somehow. Often do feel guilty about owning the Atlantis. When I'm not that good of a rider, don't deserve it and on and on. Then my wife reminds me that after going for a ride on the Rivendell, I almost always end up coming home smiling. And that's the simple answer - it makes me happy to own this (and other) inantimate objects. These things that aren't necessary, but make life a more enjoyable experience. True. One could give away everything and live on $3 a day, but that wouldn't help the situation. The key to making the world a better place is not by increasing the number of people in poverty. I could give my All-Rounder to a homeless guy but it wouldn't really work any better for him than giving him an inexpensive, used-but-serviceable mountain bike. We've built a very strange world, one in which prosperity is based on greedy over-consumption (which is in turn fueled by spending on credit beyond our means, resulting in dramatic boom and bust cycles). I wonder what the world would be like if we had built it on generosity instead. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I could give my All-Rounder to a homeless guy but it wouldn't really work any better for him than giving him an inexpensive, used-but-serviceable mountain bike. That is exactly the problem I am running into with my redundant touring bike. I have found many programs looking for bike donations. When you read the prospectus, however, it is clear most of these services are looking for basic transit bikes like a Trek Globe. I am sure these groups would take a touring bike, but it would never be used to its full ability. Not even close. Every now and then I read stories about people riding around the world for charities whose original bikes are destroyed or stolen or something. Such a person would be the ideal donation candidate. By the time I hear about them they usually have a new bike from some bike shop though. With a bike like that, if you're really looking to make the most of donating it, it seems far better to sell it and give the proceeds to a charity. The bike goes to someone who will use it, and often a charity can do more with cash than with an item. Food banks are a great example, they can buy more food with a dollar than most of us. Even bike recyclers though, i know a local group that has used bikes to fix coming out of their ears, but a stash of cables or tubes or chains would make their work easier and faster. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Agreed. Of course that brings me full circle to my reluctance to go through the headache of selling per my post yesterday. Along with the basic hassles inherent in any e-bay auction, the bikes themselves present challenges. We here at Riv are fairly spoiled. Grant and his many happy customers have done such a great job marketing the brand that a Riv on eBay or other classified basically sells itself. The custom tourer is by an excellent but obscure builder, Tom Oswald. If you could find some of the few thousand people in the world who know and appreciate Tom's work, the bike would get near its value. The other tourer is a fully restored Trek 728. After fixing the frame, I kitted it out with early '80s components. It would be hard to duplicate. As such, I would probably be happier selling the Oswald, but ultimately would probably never recover the value. I guess any money donation is better than none. If I had not been such a pack rat, I would not have to worry about all this. On Jan 16, 10:06 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I could give my All-Rounder to a homeless guy but it wouldn't really work any better for him than giving him an inexpensive, used-but-serviceable mountain bike. That is exactly the problem I am running into with my redundant touring bike. I have found many programs looking for bike donations. When you read the prospectus, however, it is clear most of these services are looking for basic transit bikes like a Trek Globe. I am sure these groups would take a touring bike, but it would never be used to its full ability. Not even close. Every now and then I read stories about people riding around the world for charities whose original bikes are destroyed or stolen or something. Such a person would be the ideal donation candidate. By the time I hear about them they usually have a new bike from some bike shop though. With a bike like that, if you're really looking to make the most of donating it, it seems far better to sell it and give the proceeds to a charity. The bike goes to someone who will use it, and often a charity can do more with cash than with an item. Food banks are a great example, they can buy more food with a dollar than most of us. Even bike recyclers though, i know a local group that has used bikes to fix coming out of their ears, but a stash of cables or tubes or chains would make their work easier and faster. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
One Riv. Not sure if our iTouch and iPod rate as Mac's or not. An no fountain pens (although my wife has one). However, too many acoustic guitars, (and a couple of electrics), a banjo-guitar hybrid, a banjo, a fiddle and a couple of ukes. I'm more amazed at the number of musicians who are aware of Rivendell. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN (who is not riding outside today where the air temp right now is -17F and the wind chill factor is -40) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:56 AM, Bruce wrote: Hi, I'm a moderator of a group called founatinpencollecting at yahoogroups dot com and we'd like to have you as a member. (That's for real) I count about 200 fountain pens in my collection, but I spend more time on the Rivs than the pens. (I restore vintage pens and collect both vintage and modern fountain pens and inks.) I wonder how many share a love of wet ink writing and Rivendell riding? I've been a fountain pen user for years, since inheriting my grandfather's Snorkels, although I stopped participating in the various forums after Frank Dubiel died (for those who don't know, he was sort of the Jobst Brandt of fountain pens). As with bikes, I'm a user and not a collector although I have a few dozen pens. So- I own a Riv, my wife has an original Heron; between us we currently have four Macs; and lots of fountain pens. To extend the questions... how many ride Rivendells and also play music of some sort (not necessarily at the same time)? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Jan 15, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: To extend the questions... how many ride Rivendells and also play music of some sort (not necessarily at the same time)? D'oh... I extended the question but didn't answer it. Sheesh. I play guitar (and we have even more guitars than bikes. 3 bikes, an un-built-up frameset and a tandem plus the wife's 3 bikes. But we have 8 guitars; and a banjo, violin, piano and clarinet (all my wife's).). Suddenly I feel a bit embarrassed by conspicuous over-consumption. What the heck do I need all this stuff for? Three billion people on the planet have no guitars, bicycles or fountain pens- or barely a place to live out of the weather or enough food. About half of the Earth's population lives on $3 a day or less, according to the CIA fact book. I can sometimes make as much in a week as many people make in a year. Wow. Now I've talked my way up from embarrassment to guilt. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
To extend the questions... how many ride Rivendells and also play music of some sort (not necessarily at the same time)? We have 3 rivs. I play banjo and mountain dulcimer, he plays fiddle. Lisa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Suddenly I feel a bit embarrassed by conspicuous over-consumption. What the heck do I need all this stuff for? Three billion people on the planet have no guitars, bicycles or fountain pens- or barely a place to live out of the weather or enough food. About half of the Earth's population lives on $3 a day or less, according to the CIA fact book. I can sometimes make as much in a week as many people make in a year. Wow. Now I've talked my way up from embarrassment to guilt. At risk of topic drift, I am kind of curious how you want to work this out. Owing to some congenital lack of attention span, I have a custom I spent a fortune on and a restoration project (expensive but not as much as the custom) that do pretty much the same thing - haul me and a lot of gear long distance. I only have time to go on one or two tours a year, so both bikes stay parked (one in my condo, the other in my condo storage area) most of the year because I also have a wonderful commuter that is much better for city riding than either touring bike. I could sell one, but then you go through the whole unpleasant process of marketing to and possibly dickering with strangers. I was intimately involved in the build process and restoration process and know full well the effort that went behind the bikes. It would drive me mad to hear people denigrate the bikes when I know full well they are just trying to get a better price. It may be a better thing to give one away, but can neither decide which or how I would pick a recepient. The bikes are each great rides in their own distinct way. It would be a pity if one wound up in disrespectful hands. But it would be even more a pity if 30 years or so from now my heirs find themselves wondering why I had this 30 year old contraption that I apparently never used. Now if only I could figure a way to retire early ... On Jan 15, 8:52 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Jan 15, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: To extend the questions... how many ride Rivendells and also play music of some sort (not necessarily at the same time)? D'oh... I extended the question but didn't answer it. Sheesh. I play guitar (and we have even more guitars than bikes. 3 bikes, an un-built-up frameset and a tandem plus the wife's 3 bikes. But we have 8 guitars; and a banjo, violin, piano and clarinet (all my wife's).). Suddenly I feel a bit embarrassed by conspicuous over-consumption. What the heck do I need all this stuff for? Three billion people on the planet have no guitars, bicycles or fountain pens- or barely a place to live out of the weather or enough food. About half of the Earth's population lives on $3 a day or less, according to the CIA fact book. I can sometimes make as much in a week as many people make in a year. Wow. Now I've talked my way up from embarrassment to guilt. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Well, as a group we're not quite that far gone. I for one didn't even realize they still make fountain pens!?! And then someone wrote a repair manual for them to boot?!? Wow! Go figure that! RS --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: From: Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 5:06 PM I expected this to be an eclectic group when I joined but I had no idea…….multiple Rivs; multiple computers; and now fountain pens musical instruments. There is no twelve step program for this group! We’re so far out on the bell curve there’s very little headroom. dougP From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:38 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's Ah yes Frank Dubiel. Wrote the basic pen repair handbook that still gets wide circulation. Quite a crusty guy. Met him a time or two at the shows. Violin/viola here, but as you note, not while astride a riv. From: Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net I've been a fountain pen user for years, since inheriting my grandfather's Snorkels, although I stopped participating in the various forums after Frank Dubiel died To extend the questions... how many ride Rivendells and also play music of some sort (not necessarily at the same time)? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
At least three sigma out in either direction! - Original Message - From: Doug Peterson To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's I expected this to be an eclectic group when I joined but I had no idea…….multiple Rivs; multiple computers; and now fountain pens musical instruments. There is no twelve step program for this group! We’re so far out on the bell curve there’s very little headroom. dougP -- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:38 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's Ah yes Frank Dubiel. Wrote the basic pen repair handbook that still gets wide circulation. Quite a crusty guy. Met him a time or two at the shows. Violin/viola here, but as you note, not while astride a riv. -- From: Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net I've been a fountain pen user for years, since inheriting my grandfather's Snorkels, although I stopped participating in the various forums after Frank Dubiel died To extend the questions... how many ride Rivendells and also play music of some sort (not necessarily at the same time)? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Just remember, Cyclofiend lit the fuse on this thread! Anyone raise chinchillas or collect doll heads? I don't, but you never know with this bunch... - Original Message - From: Bruce To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's Why not combine these two? I've often wondered how many Riv riders are also woodworkers, http://www.prabhamohan.com/blog/environment/files/0f99ddd1ff510c4d75986ed4a7f581e6-11.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
To extend the questions... how many ride Rivendells and also play music of some sort (not necessarily at the same time)? Between me and my partner we have two Rivs and a BStone, an iMac and a MacBookPro, four guitars, a piano, a marching snare drum, and way too many drum sticks and practice pads... (and we ride, use and play them all) Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Jan 15, 2009, at 4:13 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: On Jan 15, 8:52 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Jan 15, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: Suddenly I feel a bit embarrassed by conspicuous over-consumption. What the heck do I need all this stuff for? Three billion people on the planet have no guitars, bicycles or fountain pens- or barely a place to live out of the weather or enough food. About half of the Earth's population lives on $3 a day or less, according to the CIA fact book. I can sometimes make as much in a week as many people make in a year. Wow. Now I've talked my way up from embarrassment to guilt. At risk of topic drift, I am kind of curious how you want to work this out. Most of the time I just ignore it as best I can, but I do often find myself in my basement in the bike room, looking around and thinking to myself dang, I am a lucky guy. I've got three great bikes- none perfect, each quirky and all of them make me happy as a bee in a flower when I'm out riding them. Sometimes I am in a quandary as to which one to ride, and I think gee, what a terrible problem to have. But I do find myself, when I let myself think about it, increasingly uncomfortable with how I live compared to half of the planet's living conditions. In America I am barely middle-middle class. From the whole-world perspective, I'm ridiculously wealthy. There's some cognitive dissonance there. And as I mentioned in the thread about Rivendell having a lovely copper colored Legolas in my size aaarrr! Bicycle Acquisition Syndrome rears its head. I wish I knew a solution that would actually work. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
I was thinking asymptotally constrained but figured that was too esoteric..never underestimate the depth of knowledge experience here. dougP _ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Faller Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:42 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's At least three sigma out in either direction! - Original Message - From: Doug Peterson mailto:dougpn...@cox.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's I expected this to be an eclectic group when I joined but I had no idea...multiple Rivs; multiple computers; and now fountain pens musical instruments. There is no twelve step program for this group! We're so far out on the bell curve there's very little headroom. dougP _ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:38 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's Ah yes Frank Dubiel. Wrote the basic pen repair handbook that still gets wide circulation. Quite a crusty guy. Met him a time or two at the shows. Violin/viola here, but as you note, not while astride a riv. _ From: Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net I've been a fountain pen user for years, since inheriting my grandfather's Snorkels, although I stopped participating in the various forums after Frank Dubiel died To extend the questions... how many ride Rivendells and also play music of some sort (not necessarily at the same time)? BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Or he'll invent a cool part; build frames; paint bikes; make racks'n'packs; start his own bike company. The world would be a poorer place absent Grant co; Joe Bell, Curt G, Richard Sachs, the Waterford crew, V.O., Jan Heine, et al. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bronson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:37 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's Teach a poor kid to ride a bike, maybe some day he'll own a Rivendell. On 1/15/09, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Jan 15, 2009, at 4:13 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: On Jan 15, 8:52 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Jan 15, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: Suddenly I feel a bit embarrassed by conspicuous over-consumption. What the heck do I need all this stuff for? Three billion people on the planet have no guitars, bicycles or fountain pens- or barely a place to live out of the weather or enough food. About half of the Earth's population lives on $3 a day or less, according to the CIA fact book. I can sometimes make as much in a week as many people make in a year. Wow. Now I've talked my way up from embarrassment to guilt. At risk of topic drift, I am kind of curious how you want to work this out. Most of the time I just ignore it as best I can, but I do often find myself in my basement in the bike room, looking around and thinking to myself dang, I am a lucky guy. I've got three great bikes- none perfect, each quirky and all of them make me happy as a bee in a flower when I'm out riding them. Sometimes I am in a quandary as to which one to ride, and I think gee, what a terrible problem to have. But I do find myself, when I let myself think about it, increasingly uncomfortable with how I live compared to half of the planet's living conditions. In America I am barely middle-middle class. From the whole-world perspective, I'm ridiculously wealthy. There's some cognitive dissonance there. And as I mentioned in the thread about Rivendell having a lovely copper colored Legolas in my size aaarrr! Bicycle Acquisition Syndrome rears its head. I wish I knew a solution that would actually work. -- Sent from my mobile device having a blood clot is a sticky situation --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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on 1/15/09 6:45 PM, David Faller at dfal...@charter.net wrote: Just remember, Cyclofiend lit the fuse on this thread! Yes. I did start the thread. It always catches my attention when a RBW thread pops up on the iBob list. I do hate to let them have all the fun. Curious how these things move over time. And I'm still not at all sure how fountain pens, instruments and woodworking have anything to do with mac's Give an inch and you kids take a mile! ;^) Think of it like winter recess - where the teacher is just happy as hell to let the kids outside to blow off some steam. Since many of you folks aren't able to ride these days, I didn't think it could hurt. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
When I posted my Mac/PC response (one iMac, one WinXP PC, one WinXP PC laptop, and two iPods) to this thread, I didn't mention my main ride is my one Riv - a Bleriot - I built it and I love it. Of course I also have hanging in my garage (among other unmentionables) a WhizWheelz recumbent TerraTrike, a Haluzak SWB recumbent (my second favorite ride with it's retrofitted 650B rear wheel), a too big Chicago made lugged steel Schwinn roadie, a Japanese made lugged steel Schwinn Le Tour, A Bridgestone MB-6, one of the old Schwinn two-ton tandems and a Schwinn Orange Crate left over from my son's childhood. Whenever I sign my name to anything special, I use my beautiful Mont Blanc fountain pen - it just feels so right and so elegant! Music: I have played the clarinet for 60 years (I can still do the glissando in Rhapsody in Blue with the best of them) and can strum my ukulele enough to sing along. Oh yea, there is also the Didgeridoo I purchased in Syndey that I never could master - it's harder than you think! - Tom and one At 05:06 PM 1/15/2009, you wrote: I expected this to be an eclectic group when I joined but I had no idea…… --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Hello my name's Bob...and I'm a PC. But since the purchase of my AHH and iPhone, I succumbed to the inexplicable, yet powerful allure of the Steve Jobs empire and bought a MacBook Pro. On Jan 13, 10:14 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: This little thread popped up over on iBob, but thought it might be fun here, too. How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? Conjured up a quick survey here -http://www.opinionpower.com/Surveys/257056185.html - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Jan 14, 1:15 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I miss my Apple ][e... Amen, much easier to operate than a WinXP or Mac OSX machine. Remember computers were supposed to get easier to use?, Instead we get Ma Bells Unix in drag running on a box claiming to be a Mac. I have nightmares that in another 20 years we will still be dicking with etc/init.tab and smb.conf To answer the question, I have a Dell XP laptop and a Mac Dual G4. Bikes, Chris Kvale, Ebisu AP, Bates BAR, Crescent POS, x-Atlantis (stolen) Scott G. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote: Amen, much easier to operate than a WinXP or Mac OSX machine. Remember computers were supposed to get easier to use?, Instead we get Ma Bells Unix in drag running on a box claiming to be a Mac. I have nightmares that in another 20 years we will still be dicking with etc/init.tab and smb.conf That's funny, I have nightmares that in 20 years we won't be able to dick with /etc/inittab and smb.conf b/c all the decisions will be made for us. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote: On Jan 14, 1:15 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I miss my Apple ][e... Amen, much easier to operate than a WinXP or Mac OSX machine. Remember computers were supposed to get easier to use?, Instead we get Ma Bells Unix in drag running on a box claiming to be a Mac. I have nightmares that in another 20 years we will still be dicking with etc/init.tab and smb.conf I've had Mac, FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris machines at home, and use WinXP, Linux and Macs at work. The best thing about the Mac for me is that you never *have* to mess with conf files, but you have the full unix guts at your disposal if you want 'em. I've done a ton of tinkering with hardware and software, and have done this long enough that now i expect the tools to just work and let me get on with the job. It's interesting to think of computers and bikes in the sense of openness. I prefer the Mac by far, but i recognize that there are aspects of it that are strictly inaccessible, as compared to Linux. On the other hand, it's irksome to work on bikes and find that i need to track down some obscure part because of a different size or threading standard. The Mac situation is probably most like the Raleighs of the 30s-70s, where they used a different system than most others, but since they controlled the whole ecosystem the product worked very well as built. It's only when you try to customize and tinker that the limitations become troublesome though it certainly doesn't prevent tinkering. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Jan 13, 9:14 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? 3 mac mini's, 1 mbp, one atlantis, and one callsign that shows my allegience. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net UNIX rules. robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Two Rivs (one Quickbeam for me, one Ram for my wife); three Macs (if you count the ancient ibook); two Martin guitars (does that relate?). On Jan 14, 3:11 am, k5osx k5o...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 13, 9:14 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? 3 mac mini's, 1 mbp, one atlantis, and one callsign that shows my allegience. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net UNIX rules. robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
{Off topic, but fun thread}
Adhering for 30 years (or so) exclusively to the Microsoft religion
(after a few years of CP/M), I went for a new iMac and OS X with the
eye popping 24 screen last year. I'm having difficulty weaning
myself completely from the Windows World, so both machines are on my
desktop for now - well, probably for a long, long time. I also
couldn't resist the allure of the iPod Classic and just upgraded to
the iPod Touch when the prospect of ATT service prevented me from going iPhone.
Linux rules on my server side - hands down!!!
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[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Three Macs, two iPhones, and five iPods. Two Rivs (Quickbeam and Road Standard). --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:14 PM, CycloFiend wrote: This little thread popped up over on iBob, but thought it might be fun here, too. How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? Conjured up a quick survey here - http://www.opinionpower.com/Surveys/257056185.html - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/ guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 1/14/09 7:10 AM, Bill Connell at bconn...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting to think of computers and bikes in the sense of openness. I prefer the Mac by far, but i recognize that there are aspects of it that are strictly inaccessible, as compared to Linux. On the other hand, it's irksome to work on bikes and find that i need to track down some obscure part because of a different size or threading standard. The Mac situation is probably most like the Raleighs of the 30s-70s, where they used a different system than most others, but since they controlled the whole ecosystem the product worked very well as built. It's only when you try to customize and tinker that the limitations become troublesome though it certainly doesn't prevent tinkering. Just to totally pitch over the lip of OT-ed-ness, if you have a chance to read it, Neal Stephenson wrote a short book called In the Beginning Was the Command Line... which has an interesting overview of the history of OS's (at least up through the pub date of ~1999). It's a good short read. At the time, he made the quite valid point that the MacOS was actually the least open (and favored unix for a number of reasons). This was of course before the Unix core changes. No question, the old MacOS was getting ridiculously inbred and closed. I remember getting online for the first time with something like OS 7.5, made compiling look easy. Changing to the unix core (NextStep) saved the whole platform. Eventually, even Raleigh abandoned Whitworth fasteners and 26tpi threading. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Computers: I've been a Mac user since 1990. I have a MacBook Pro w/ hi-res 17 glossy display and a Mac Pro at home, and a Mac Pro at the office, plus an iPhone 3G. I'm one of a very small group of architects using VectorWorks on the Mac. Most are forced to use a PC because they're stuck in the AutoCAD paradigm. Bicycles: All fixed gears: a Riv QB 60, Kogswell G 58, Peter Mooney 57 single speed (running fixed), EAI BareKnuckle 54 and a Soma Rush 56. I do my bicycle camping trips and hardware store runs with the G58, my long, light rides with the QB, my 25-100 mile charity rides on the Mooney, my flossin'/stuntin' on the BK and my NYC errand runs on the beater Soma Rush. Haven't owned a car in 2+ years. Live with one GF (an avid cyclist herself, and a Mac user, and she has my old iPhone), two cats, no kids. Undesirable Scenario: If I had to move to a desert island, I'd prob bring the QB and iPhone (assuming there was WiFi or ATT service on this desert island). Otherwise, I guess just the QB and the GF. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Curtis Schmitt curtisrschm...@gmail.comwrote: Bicycles: All fixed gears: a Riv QB 60, Kogswell G 58, Peter Mooney 57 single speed (running fixed), EAI BareKnuckle 54 and a Soma Rush 56. Good man! Would you care to post photos? Thanks. Patrick like fixed gears myself Moore --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
This is nuts!. . . 6 Rivs (+ 1 on order) 2 Macs 1 Lo Prinzi Feels like the right ratio to me. . . -Elton P-L Two Rivs (one Quickbeam for me, one Ram for my wife); three Macs (if you count the ancient ibook); two Martin guitars (does that relate?). On Jan 14, 3:11 am, k5osx k5o...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 13, 9:14 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? 3 mac mini's, 1 mbp, one atlantis, and one callsign that shows my allegience. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net UNIX rules. robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
for the win! On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Elton Pope-Lance el...@pope-lance.comwrote: This is nuts!. . . 6 Rivs (+ 1 on order) 2 Macs 1 Lo Prinzi Feels like the right ratio to me. . . -Elton P-L Two Rivs (one Quickbeam for me, one Ram for my wife); three Macs (if you count the ancient ibook); two Martin guitars (does that relate?). On Jan 14, 3:11 am, k5osx k5o...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 13, 9:14 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? 3 mac mini's, 1 mbp, one atlantis, and one callsign that shows my allegience. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net UNIX rules. robert -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:14 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: This little thread popped up over on iBob, but thought it might be fun here, too. How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? Conjured up a quick survey here - http://www.opinionpower.com/Surveys/257056185.html Funny - i jumped off the BOB list for a while, so i missed this one. I have more Macs than Rivs, but most of my bikes have parts from or inspired by Rivendell; MKS touring pedals and brass bell on the 3-speed, 1/2-lugged Nitto stem, Baggins bag and Grip Kings on the Surly, moustache bars on the fixie. I guess those would balance out the iPod then? -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Nice poll! I would own a Mac if I had to use my own $$$, but my employer gives me a Dell... what's a poor boy to do? On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:14 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: This little thread popped up over on iBob, but thought it might be fun here, too. How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? Conjured up a quick survey here - http://www.opinionpower.com/Surveys/257056185.html Funny - i jumped off the BOB list for a while, so i missed this one. I have more Macs than Rivs, but most of my bikes have parts from or inspired by Rivendell; MKS touring pedals and brass bell on the 3-speed, 1/2-lugged Nitto stem, Baggins bag and Grip Kings on the Surly, moustache bars on the fixie. I guess those would balance out the iPod then? -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Never. I have my desktop tri-boot with XP, Vista and Ubuntu Linux, my laptop is dual booted with Vista and Ubuntu. My other desktop is running the Windows7 32bit beta, and my other laptop is running Xubuntu 8.10 only. Macs are too expensive and not suited to the PC hobbist. My laptop cost $500 only and it's a Core2Duo. I spent another $65 and stuffed it with 4GB of RAM, very happy. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:14 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: This little thread popped up over on iBob, but thought it might be fun here, too. How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? Conjured up a quick survey here - http://www.opinionpower.com/Surveys/257056185.html - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties -- having a blood clot is a sticky situation --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Survey seems to indicate an inverse relationship. :) I was looking for a survey response to describe me: Multiple Rivs, Zero Macs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Same here - two Rivs, no Mac for me. My wife has a Mac, but both kids and I use Windoze. I hada server running Linux for a while, too. On Jan 13, 8:39 pm, All Rounder 2000 s_schermerh...@yahoo.com wrote: Survey seems to indicate an inverse relationship. :) I was looking for a survey response to describe me: Multiple Rivs, Zero Macs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
I work for Apple and just build my first Riv. wc. On Jan 13, 7:14 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: This little thread popped up over on iBob, but thought it might be fun here, too. How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? Conjured up a quick survey here -http://www.opinionpower.com/Surveys/257056185.html - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Me? Three Riv's, four Mac's (counting my wife's home power book), including two at work that do not belong to me, just issued to me. Now, if only I can get them to issue me a couple of Riv's! --- On Tue, 1/13/09, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: From: CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net Subject: [RBW] Rivs Mac's To: rbw group rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:14 PM This little thread popped up over on iBob, but thought it might be fun here, too. How many Riv owners are Mac-owners? Conjured up a quick survey here - http://www.opinionpower.com/Surveys/257056185.html - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivs Mac's
Oh yeah, I forgot about my server. I have a mini-ITX low power board with an embedded Celeron proc running my file server. It is running the free os FreeNAS. http://www.freenas.org This is based on OpenBSD Unix. The server actually boots off of a 128MB USB stick, the entire FreeNAS OS is about 90MB or so. Upon bootup it loads completely into RAM, of which I have 1GB of it installed. Really I could have gone with 256MB, it's just that there was no price difference due to 1GB sticks being at the height of production, so I said, why not get a gig. I have two 500GB internal hard drives set up doing RAID1 (mirroring). The server uses about 38 watts at full load give or take a watt or two. I leave it powered on all the time unless I know I'm going to be gone for a while. It is hardwired into a wireless router and I can access my music files over the wireless network anywhere on my property with a multitude of devices including my PS3. The total cost all hardware parts used in this setup was $281 plus my time invested. I was originally going to buy a prepackaged NAS at Fry's or another electronic store until I figured out I could do it cheaper myself and have more fun in the process. If I was to do it again today, I could probably do 1TB drives for the same price as they have declined in price quite a bit. Riv content: I own a Rivendell Custom acquired 2nd hand. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Same here - two Rivs, no Mac for me. My wife has a Mac, but both kids and I use Windoze. I hada server running Linux for a while, too. On Jan 13, 8:39 pm, All Rounder 2000 s_schermerh...@yahoo.com wrote: Survey seems to indicate an inverse relationship. :) I was looking for a survey response to describe me: Multiple Rivs, Zero Macs. -- having a blood clot is a sticky situation --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
