[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
you know pete, i have an ebiso road. that could be a great bike for you.don c. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Pete Ruckelshaus wrote: From: Pete Ruckelshaus Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 8:12 PM My current bike is a Ram, but I'm thinking about a custom Ebisu for my next frame. On Sep 2, 3:40 pm, usuk2007 wrote: > $2k for a Riv/Waterford Roadie or $1.5k for a Ebisu Road. Discuss --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
My current bike is a Ram, but I'm thinking about a custom Ebisu for my next frame. On Sep 2, 3:40 pm, usuk2007 wrote: > $2k for a Riv/Waterford Roadie or $1.5k for a Ebisu Road. Discuss --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
i have both an ebiso road and a ram. the ebiso is much stiffer than the ram. also, because it has old-fashioned campy rear dropouts, it is difficult to mount large tires. also, you could install std reach brakes, but the brake bridges are too close for large tires. it appears that the new roadeo is much more flexible than the ebiso road.don --- On Wed, 9/2/09, usuk2007 wrote: From: usuk2007 Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 5:07 PM I posed the question because I already have a Rambouillet and I've been thinking of getting a bike with a more aggressive geometry to built up as a fast bike. When I saw the geometry on the Roadeo I worried that it wasn't sufficiently different from the Ram also the cost was a bit steep, so I thought of the Ebisu Road which looks plenty aggressive while still taking standard reach brakes and having good tyre clearance. I'm now dreaming of an Ebisu Road with some dura- ace hubs, mavic open pros, and a sugino alpina or TA carmina crank --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
I posed the question because I already have a Rambouillet and I've been thinking of getting a bike with a more aggressive geometry to built up as a fast bike. When I saw the geometry on the Roadeo I worried that it wasn't sufficiently different from the Ram also the cost was a bit steep, so I thought of the Ebisu Road which looks plenty aggressive while still taking standard reach brakes and having good tyre clearance. I'm now dreaming of an Ebisu Road with some dura- ace hubs, mavic open pros, and a sugino alpina or TA carmina crank --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
Yes I do have a great frame, but another one is always better On Sep 2, 8:18 pm, MichaelH wrote: > Change the wheels and crank. You already have a great frame. > Michael > > On Sep 2, 8:07 pm, usuk2007 wrote: > > > I posed the question because I already have a Rambouillet and I've > > been thinking of getting a bike with a more aggressive geometry to > > built up as a fast bike. When I saw the geometry on the Roadeo I > > worried that it wasn't sufficiently different from the Ram also the > > cost was a bit steep, so I thought of the Ebisu Road which looks > > plenty aggressive while still taking standard reach brakes and having > > good tyre clearance. I'm now dreaming of an Ebisu Road with some dura- > > ace hubs, mavic open pros, and a sugino alpina or TA carmina crank --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
Change the wheels and crank. You already have a great frame. Michael On Sep 2, 8:07 pm, usuk2007 wrote: > I posed the question because I already have a Rambouillet and I've > been thinking of getting a bike with a more aggressive geometry to > built up as a fast bike. When I saw the geometry on the Roadeo I > worried that it wasn't sufficiently different from the Ram also the > cost was a bit steep, so I thought of the Ebisu Road which looks > plenty aggressive while still taking standard reach brakes and having > good tyre clearance. I'm now dreaming of an Ebisu Road with some dura- > ace hubs, mavic open pros, and a sugino alpina or TA carmina crank --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
I have owned two Romulus' and now have an Ebisu All Purpose, and my wife just got a road model. I think for me the main difference is tubing--where the Romulus had oversized down tube and top tube, and Ebisu can be had with standard (25.4 or 28.6) tubes. The ebisu road is certainly sportier than the romulus, and takes basically the same size tires (uses standard reach brakes). it doesn't come stock with rack braze-ons, but is definitely fitted for fenders. The Ebisus are mostly built by a NJG small builder in Japan, who is really a custom builder doing a batch of semi-production work. You can actually get your Ebisu built by Toei for a $400 up charge. I have been really happy with my Romulus, and am curious about the roadeo, but for $1600, i got to have custom geometry, and pick my own color for my eibsu, it's really a great deal! franklyn On Sep 2, 3:23 pm, Greg Jung wrote: > I don't have an Ebisu, but I did buy an early Waterford Riv Road from > Hiroshi at Jitensha Studios back in the late 90s. I believe Hiroshi > had bought at least 2 (there was a tall rose pink one and a light blue > one) early Rivs when Riv was starting out. Also, I first saw a Riv > catalog at Jitensha Studios back then. > > Many of you know this, but lore has it that Grant used to hang out at > Jitensha in the pre-Riv days, and Hiroshi influenced Grant's design > philosophy. Obviously, Grant's thoughts have evolved since then (and > probably diverged from Hiroshi's in some respects). But I would say > the two are close relatives, and differences would be very subtle. > > On Sep 2, 2:39 pm, MichaelH wrote: > > > > > I own 4 bikes. My favorite is my Rambouillet, but the one I end up > > putting the most miles on is the Ebisu All Purpose. It's better for > > bad roads and hauling stuff which is what I do most days. > > > BTW, my cycling season, which began quite late after foot surgery > > seems to be ending early with crippling back pain. As WC Fields said, > > "Oh my sacroiliac, quick run to the golf course and get me a doctor!" > > Got a referral for PT today but I'm afraid it may be awhile before I'm > > able to ride again. We were supposed to spend last weekend cycling in > > the Eastern Townships of southern Quebeck but ended up touring in our > > new 2010 Prius instead. Too bad, because it looked like great riding > > roads and paths. > > > Michael > > > On Sep 2, 5:16 pm, Esteban wrote: > > > > I covet an Ebisu. I'd love to dive into Hiroshi's idiosyncrasies. > > > That being said, Grant's designs are dependable and rather wonderful > > > in terms of ride quality. It will be fun to jump onto a Roadeo one > > > day to see how it feels. > > > > On Sep 2, 2:01 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:33 -0700, Steve Park wrote: > > > > > The question I have is why isn't the Ebisu Road more popular? > > > > > Maybe because you can only get it from Jitensha Studios. > > > > > A year or two ago a woman from Berkeley CA wrote on the BOB list asking > > > > about a good bike shop in her area. I told her about Jitensha. She'd > > > > never heard of it. Next day, she wrote to say she walked to work and > > > > went right past the shop on her way to work every day, and never once > > > > noticed it. > > > > > You know about it and I know about it and even it if weren't one of the > > > > coolest shops in the USA because of what it carries, it'd still be one > > > > of the coolest places to know about because it sits in a wrinkle in the > > > > space-time continuum that allows it to be located in the suburbs of > > > > Tokyo Japan while manifesting itself in Berkeley CA. But that doesn't > > > > mean enough people Out There know about it to make it "popular". That's > > > > my theory, anyway. ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
I don't have an Ebisu, but I did buy an early Waterford Riv Road from Hiroshi at Jitensha Studios back in the late 90s. I believe Hiroshi had bought at least 2 (there was a tall rose pink one and a light blue one) early Rivs when Riv was starting out. Also, I first saw a Riv catalog at Jitensha Studios back then. Many of you know this, but lore has it that Grant used to hang out at Jitensha in the pre-Riv days, and Hiroshi influenced Grant's design philosophy. Obviously, Grant's thoughts have evolved since then (and probably diverged from Hiroshi's in some respects). But I would say the two are close relatives, and differences would be very subtle. On Sep 2, 2:39 pm, MichaelH wrote: > I own 4 bikes. My favorite is my Rambouillet, but the one I end up > putting the most miles on is the Ebisu All Purpose. It's better for > bad roads and hauling stuff which is what I do most days. > > BTW, my cycling season, which began quite late after foot surgery > seems to be ending early with crippling back pain. As WC Fields said, > "Oh my sacroiliac, quick run to the golf course and get me a doctor!" > Got a referral for PT today but I'm afraid it may be awhile before I'm > able to ride again. We were supposed to spend last weekend cycling in > the Eastern Townships of southern Quebeck but ended up touring in our > new 2010 Prius instead. Too bad, because it looked like great riding > roads and paths. > > Michael > > On Sep 2, 5:16 pm, Esteban wrote: > > > > > I covet an Ebisu. I'd love to dive into Hiroshi's idiosyncrasies. > > That being said, Grant's designs are dependable and rather wonderful > > in terms of ride quality. It will be fun to jump onto a Roadeo one > > day to see how it feels. > > > On Sep 2, 2:01 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:33 -0700, Steve Park wrote: > > > > The question I have is why isn't the Ebisu Road more popular? > > > > Maybe because you can only get it from Jitensha Studios. > > > > A year or two ago a woman from Berkeley CA wrote on the BOB list asking > > > about a good bike shop in her area. I told her about Jitensha. She'd > > > never heard of it. Next day, she wrote to say she walked to work and > > > went right past the shop on her way to work every day, and never once > > > noticed it. > > > > You know about it and I know about it and even it if weren't one of the > > > coolest shops in the USA because of what it carries, it'd still be one > > > of the coolest places to know about because it sits in a wrinkle in the > > > space-time continuum that allows it to be located in the suburbs of > > > Tokyo Japan while manifesting itself in Berkeley CA. But that doesn't > > > mean enough people Out There know about it to make it "popular". That's > > > my theory, anyway. ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
Good luck Michael. I was almost unable to walk due to SI pain (due to arthritis) two years ago. A couple months of PT led to weekly and still ongoing sessions with a trainer. The SI problem is now a thing of the past, but the arthritis in my neck is not. I've had a Hillborne for about a month now, and the Riv-ability to get the handlebars up high has made my riding pain free for the first time in a while. Hope your experience is as good. Adam -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MichaelH Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:39 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road I own 4 bikes. My favorite is my Rambouillet, but the one I end up putting the most miles on is the Ebisu All Purpose. It's better for bad roads and hauling stuff which is what I do most days. BTW, my cycling season, which began quite late after foot surgery seems to be ending early with crippling back pain. As WC Fields said, "Oh my sacroiliac, quick run to the golf course and get me a doctor!" Got a referral for PT today but I'm afraid it may be awhile before I'm able to ride again. We were supposed to spend last weekend cycling in the Eastern Townships of southern Quebeck but ended up touring in our new 2010 Prius instead. Too bad, because it looked like great riding roads and paths. Michael On Sep 2, 5:16 pm, Esteban wrote: > I covet an Ebisu. I'd love to dive into Hiroshi's idiosyncrasies. > That being said, Grant's designs are dependable and rather wonderful > in terms of ride quality. It will be fun to jump onto a Roadeo one > day to see how it feels. > > On Sep 2, 2:01 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:33 -0700, Steve Park wrote: > > > The question I have is why isn't the Ebisu Road more popular? > > > Maybe because you can only get it from Jitensha Studios. > > > A year or two ago a woman from Berkeley CA wrote on the BOB list asking > > about a good bike shop in her area. I told her about Jitensha. She'd > > never heard of it. Next day, she wrote to say she walked to work and > > went right past the shop on her way to work every day, and never once > > noticed it. > > > You know about it and I know about it and even it if weren't one of the > > coolest shops in the USA because of what it carries, it'd still be one > > of the coolest places to know about because it sits in a wrinkle in the > > space-time continuum that allows it to be located in the suburbs of > > Tokyo Japan while manifesting itself in Berkeley CA. But that doesn't > > mean enough people Out There know about it to make it "popular". That's > > my theory, anyway. ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
I own 4 bikes. My favorite is my Rambouillet, but the one I end up putting the most miles on is the Ebisu All Purpose. It's better for bad roads and hauling stuff which is what I do most days. BTW, my cycling season, which began quite late after foot surgery seems to be ending early with crippling back pain. As WC Fields said, "Oh my sacroiliac, quick run to the golf course and get me a doctor!" Got a referral for PT today but I'm afraid it may be awhile before I'm able to ride again. We were supposed to spend last weekend cycling in the Eastern Townships of southern Quebeck but ended up touring in our new 2010 Prius instead. Too bad, because it looked like great riding roads and paths. Michael On Sep 2, 5:16 pm, Esteban wrote: > I covet an Ebisu. I'd love to dive into Hiroshi's idiosyncrasies. > That being said, Grant's designs are dependable and rather wonderful > in terms of ride quality. It will be fun to jump onto a Roadeo one > day to see how it feels. > > On Sep 2, 2:01 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:33 -0700, Steve Park wrote: > > > The question I have is why isn't the Ebisu Road more popular? > > > Maybe because you can only get it from Jitensha Studios. > > > A year or two ago a woman from Berkeley CA wrote on the BOB list asking > > about a good bike shop in her area. I told her about Jitensha. She'd > > never heard of it. Next day, she wrote to say she walked to work and > > went right past the shop on her way to work every day, and never once > > noticed it. > > > You know about it and I know about it and even it if weren't one of the > > coolest shops in the USA because of what it carries, it'd still be one > > of the coolest places to know about because it sits in a wrinkle in the > > space-time continuum that allows it to be located in the suburbs of > > Tokyo Japan while manifesting itself in Berkeley CA. But that doesn't > > mean enough people Out There know about it to make it "popular". That's > > my theory, anyway. ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
I covet an Ebisu. I'd love to dive into Hiroshi's idiosyncrasies. That being said, Grant's designs are dependable and rather wonderful in terms of ride quality. It will be fun to jump onto a Roadeo one day to see how it feels. On Sep 2, 2:01 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:33 -0700, Steve Park wrote: > > The question I have is why isn't the Ebisu Road more popular? > > Maybe because you can only get it from Jitensha Studios. > > A year or two ago a woman from Berkeley CA wrote on the BOB list asking > about a good bike shop in her area. I told her about Jitensha. She'd > never heard of it. Next day, she wrote to say she walked to work and > went right past the shop on her way to work every day, and never once > noticed it. > > You know about it and I know about it and even it if weren't one of the > coolest shops in the USA because of what it carries, it'd still be one > of the coolest places to know about because it sits in a wrinkle in the > space-time continuum that allows it to be located in the suburbs of > Tokyo Japan while manifesting itself in Berkeley CA. But that doesn't > mean enough people Out There know about it to make it "popular". That's > my theory, anyway. ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:33 -0700, Steve Park wrote: > The question I have is why isn't the Ebisu Road more popular? Maybe because you can only get it from Jitensha Studios. A year or two ago a woman from Berkeley CA wrote on the BOB list asking about a good bike shop in her area. I told her about Jitensha. She'd never heard of it. Next day, she wrote to say she walked to work and went right past the shop on her way to work every day, and never once noticed it. You know about it and I know about it and even it if weren't one of the coolest shops in the USA because of what it carries, it'd still be one of the coolest places to know about because it sits in a wrinkle in the space-time continuum that allows it to be located in the suburbs of Tokyo Japan while manifesting itself in Berkeley CA. But that doesn't mean enough people Out There know about it to make it "popular". That's my theory, anyway. ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
> $2k for a Riv/Waterford Roadie or $1.5k for a Ebisu Road. Discuss I have no first hand experience, and Riv final geometry isn't published, but here's how available (to me) info says they differ: Roadeo: USA made, Ebisu, Japan made Geometry: Roadeo has slightly longer chainstays (say 430 cm versus 415 - 425 cm), slightly lower bottom bracket, both claim clearance for 28 mm tire width with fenders Brakes: Roadeo uses "standard" reach brakes, unsure of Ebisu (website says "sidepull brakes") Tubing gauge: Roadeo uses thin wall "standard oversized diameter" tubing, I think the Ebisu uses "standard diameter" tubing, likely somewhat heavier Fork: Roadeo offers choice of threaded or threadless, looks like the Ebisu is threaded I have read consistently positive reports re: Ebisu bicycles, and similar positives for Rivendell. The Ebisu sounds like a bit more of a traditional road bike in the geometry, the Riv Roadeo has the Riv "signature" of slightly longer chainstays and lower bottom bracket. The biggest differences I see (apart from price) are: a) which business (es) do you want to support, b) feelings about USA versus overseas production (some would pay more to support), c) tubing gauges/ diameters, and d) slight geometry differences. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
Excellent question! (you mean Roadeo vs Ebisu Road, right? There seems to be very little feedback out there on the Ebisu Road. Most of what I found is related to the Ebisu All-Purpose. I'd love to hear from someone who owns an Ebisu road model. That said, what I have read says that Jitensha build quality is excellent and I would suspect that the Ebisu Road model is a very fine road bike. The geometry charts indicates that it is pretty sporty. There aren't/any many others in the price range that have as nicely curved a fork as the Ebisu Road. The price is certainly better than the Riv Roadeo, and Mr. Iimura seems willing to make custom changes for a very reasonable additional fee. If I didn't already have a Rambouillet, I would get an Ebisu Road. The question I have is why isn't the Ebisu Road more popular? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
