Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[awalton]

Not to drift too far, since it is neither a Roadini nor an Bridgestonini, 
but the o.p. might also consider – in the same size and possibly even from 
the same seller – this Davidson Discovery: 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-davidson-discovery/7698196809.html
  
(which
 
will take 35 or 38mm tires and ride dreamily).

Alex (no relation to seller) 
On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:16:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Connors wrote:

> This one is being offered for $1600 and has a little history
>
> [image: rb-1.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Jim M.]

Here's the '93 catalog page showing Superbe Pro 
brakes: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1993/pages/26.htm

What I remember is that the RB-1 had good performance at a lower price than 
Colnago, Paramount, Medici, LandShark, Pinarello, Olmo, Basso, Cinelli 
(among others) that I would see at USCF races in California back in the 
late 80s to early 90s.  

As to RB-1 vs Roadini, do as Bill said, buy the one that appeals the most 
and save up for the other.

jim mather
walnut creek, ca

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 2:53:23 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Now this is an interesting challenge. The RB1 had a good reputation 
> amongst the competition for its performance.
>
> Is it better than many other mid-level road bikes of its period? If yes, 
> why? (Formal and not agent or material causes; that is, what do you feel 
> when you ride it that makes it better?)
>
> Now I'd agree with Armand's sentiments if applied to the XO-1 (and 
> cousins) (and I don't disagree with him about the RB-1; I have never ridden 
> a RB-1.) But as to the XO series, I did ride a 1992 XO-1 extensively, and I 
> do think it was a very innovative design but an immature execution compared 
> to later 26" wheel customs Grant designed and to the, say, Sam (owned a 
> first-ed) and, I expect, to other later Rivendell "all 'round" or country 
> bikes.
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 3:32 PM Armand Kizirian  
> wrote:
>
>> I'd say the "1" in the RB-1 and "Bridgestone" in the name Bridgestone is 
>> about the most desirable things out of that bike. Do a blind test with it 
>> and any of the exceptionally similar roadbikes from the era and I doubt you 
>> can tell the difference. 
>>
>> I'd take the bike that the designer made with an additional 35+ years of 
>> experience (Grant). 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 2:21:09 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That very well could be. I'm sure there's a '93 Bridgestone Catalog 
>>> somewhere out there with the full specs. For some reason I thought that the 
>>> Superbe Pro were spec'd on both red and yellow versions but it could just 
>>> be the red one.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM Ryan  wrote:
>>>
 Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that 
 came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993


 On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham 
 wrote:

> Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post, 
> Irving, the listing has been removed.
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>
>> If you're looking for something:
>>
>> - 57cm-ish
>> - steel frame
>> - wide tired, rim brake
>> - in San Francisco
>> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
>> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 
>>
>> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>>
>> Irving
>> SF, CA
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
>>> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
>>> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it 
>>> wouldn't 
>>> have hurt so much.
>>>
>>> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current 
>>> Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most 
>>> cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none. 
>>>  
>>> The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling 
>>> for 
>>> longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The 
>>> longer 
>>> chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini 
>>> won't 
>>> climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 
>>> 8-speed 
>>> STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). 
>>> Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with 
>>> Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the 
>>> Shimano 
>>> 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.
>>>
>>> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a 
>>> '93 RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what 
>>> I've built up my Roadini to be.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 
>>> brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html

 The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some 
 opinions here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous 
 threads 
 and I’m still cons

Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Patrick Moore]

Now this is an interesting challenge. The RB1 had a good reputation amongst
the competition for its performance.

Is it better than many other mid-level road bikes of its period? If yes,
why? (Formal and not agent or material causes; that is, what do you feel
when you ride it that makes it better?)

Now I'd agree with Armand's sentiments if applied to the XO-1 (and cousins)
(and I don't disagree with him about the RB-1; I have never ridden a RB-1.)
But as to the XO series, I did ride a 1992 XO-1 extensively, and I do think
it was a very innovative design but an immature execution compared to later
26" wheel customs Grant designed and to the, say, Sam (owned a first-ed)
and, I expect, to other later Rivendell "all 'round" or country bikes.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 3:32 PM Armand Kizirian 
wrote:

> I'd say the "1" in the RB-1 and "Bridgestone" in the name Bridgestone is
> about the most desirable things out of that bike. Do a blind test with it
> and any of the exceptionally similar roadbikes from the era and I doubt you
> can tell the difference.
>
> I'd take the bike that the designer made with an additional 35+ years of
> experience (Grant).
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 2:21:09 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That very well could be. I'm sure there's a '93 Bridgestone Catalog
>> somewhere out there with the full specs. For some reason I thought that the
>> Superbe Pro were spec'd on both red and yellow versions but it could just
>> be the red one.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM Ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that
>>> came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post,
 Irving, the listing has been removed.

 On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:

> If you're looking for something:
>
> - 57cm-ish
> - steel frame
> - wide tired, rim brake
> - in San Francisco
> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames
>
> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up:
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>
> Irving
> SF, CA
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the
>> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should
>> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't
>> have hurt so much.
>>
>> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current
>> Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most
>> cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.
>> The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling 
>> for
>> longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer
>> chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't
>> climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 
>> 8-speed
>> STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me).
>> Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with
>> Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano
>> 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.
>>
>> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93
>> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've
>> built up my Roadini to be.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8
>> brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>>
>>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some
>>> opinions here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous 
>>> threads
>>> and I’m still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me
>>> $2000-$2200. The yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, 
>>> but
>>> I’ve never ridden one.
>>>
>>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it.
>>> It was a 56 and a hair too small.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Armand Kizirian]

I'd say the "1" in the RB-1 and "Bridgestone" in the name Bridgestone is 
about the most desirable things out of that bike. Do a blind test with it 
and any of the exceptionally similar roadbikes from the era and I doubt you 
can tell the difference. 

I'd take the bike that the designer made with an additional 35+ years of 
experience (Grant). 

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 2:21:09 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> That very well could be. I'm sure there's a '93 Bridgestone Catalog 
> somewhere out there with the full specs. For some reason I thought that the 
> Superbe Pro were spec'd on both red and yellow versions but it could just 
> be the red one.
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that 
>> came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>> Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post, 
>>> Irving, the listing has been removed.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>>>
 If you're looking for something:

 - 57cm-ish
 - steel frame
 - wide tired, rim brake
 - in San Francisco
 - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
 - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 

 You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html

 Irving
 SF, CA
 On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
> have hurt so much.
>
> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current 
> Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most 
> cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  
> The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling 
> for 
> longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer 
> chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't 
> climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 
> 8-speed 
> STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). 
> Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with 
> Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 
> 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.
>
> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 
> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've 
> built up my Roadini to be.
>
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 
> brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>
>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some 
>> opinions here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous 
>> threads 
>> and I’m still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me 
>> $2000-$2200. The yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, 
>> but 
>> I’ve never ridden one. 
>>
>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. 
>> It was a 56 and a hair too small. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[藍俊彪]

That very well could be. I'm sure there's a '93 Bridgestone Catalog
somewhere out there with the full specs. For some reason I thought that the
Superbe Pro were spec'd on both red and yellow versions but it could just
be the red one.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM Ryan  wrote:

> Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that
> came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993
>
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post,
>> Irving, the listing has been removed.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>>
>>> If you're looking for something:
>>>
>>> - 57cm-ish
>>> - steel frame
>>> - wide tired, rim brake
>>> - in San Francisco
>>> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
>>> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames
>>>
>>> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up:
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>>>
>>> Irving
>>> SF, CA
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the
 hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should
 have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't
 have hurt so much.

 Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current
 Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most
 cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.
 The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for
 longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer
 chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't
 climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed
 STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me).
 Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with
 Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano
 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.

 All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93
 RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've
 built up my Roadini to be.

 On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8
 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>
> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some
> opinions here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads
> and I’m still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me
> $2000-$2200. The yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but
> I’ve never ridden one.
>
> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It
> was a 56 and a hair too small.
>
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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Ryan]

Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that 
came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993


On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post, 
> Irving, the listing has been removed.
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>
>> If you're looking for something:
>>
>> - 57cm-ish
>> - steel frame
>> - wide tired, rim brake
>> - in San Francisco
>> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
>> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 
>>
>> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>>
>> Irving
>> SF, CA
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
>>> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
>>> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
>>> have hurt so much.
>>>
>>> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current 
>>> Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most 
>>> cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  
>>> The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for 
>>> longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer 
>>> chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't 
>>> climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed 
>>> STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). 
>>> Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with 
>>> Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 
>>> 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.
>>>
>>> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 
>>> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've 
>>> built up my Roadini to be.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 
>>> brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html

 The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
 here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
 still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
 yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never 
 ridden 
 one. 

 I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It 
 was a 56 and a hair too small. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Brian Cunningham]

Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post, Irving, 
the listing has been removed.

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:

> If you're looking for something:
>
> - 57cm-ish
> - steel frame
> - wide tired, rim brake
> - in San Francisco
> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 
>
> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>
> Irving
> SF, CA
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
>> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
>> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
>> have hurt so much.
>>
>> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current Roadini. 
>> The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most cyclists, and 
>> there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  The Roadini 
>> would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for longer than 
>> a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer chainstays of 
>> the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't climb any 
>> worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed STIs once 
>> and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). Despite the 
>> Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with Suntour Superbe 
>> Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 600 dual pivots 
>> are better, so that's not an issue.
>>
>> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 
>> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've 
>> built up my Roadini to be.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>>
>>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
>>> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
>>> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
>>> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
>>> one. 
>>>
>>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It 
>>> was a 56 and a hair too small. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Irving]

If you're looking for something:

- 57cm-ish
- steel frame
- wide tired, rim brake
- in San Francisco
- something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
- cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 

You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html

Irving
SF, CA
On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
> have hurt so much.
>
> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current Roadini. 
> The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most cyclists, and 
> there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  The Roadini 
> would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for longer than 
> a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer chainstays of 
> the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't climb any 
> worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed STIs once 
> and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). Despite the 
> Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with Suntour Superbe 
> Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 600 dual pivots 
> are better, so that's not an issue.
>
> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 
> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've 
> built up my Roadini to be.
>
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>
>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
>> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
>> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
>> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
>> one. 
>>
>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It 
>> was a 56 and a hair too small. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Piaw Na]

I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
have hurt so much.

Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current Roadini. 
The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most cyclists, and 
there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  The Roadini 
would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for longer than 
a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer chainstays of 
the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't climb any 
worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed STIs once 
and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). Despite the 
Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with Suntour Superbe 
Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 600 dual pivots 
are better, so that's not an issue.

All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 RB-1, 
I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've built up 
my Roadini to be.

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>
> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
> one. 
>
> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It was 
> a 56 and a hair too small. 
>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Ian A]

If you disregard the Bridgestone/early GP provenance, it's just another 
90's road bike with limited clearance for tires. I would be inclined to 
value it for much the same as your previously owned  Fuji Team. The Fuji 
may have had lighter tubing than the RB1 so the bikes may ride quite 
differently, despite the similar geometry.

So many good modern Rivendell options for fairly similar money. Maybe cast 
a net for a used Roadini (or even a Black Mountain Cycles Road+ for 
example).

Not meaning to denigrate  the RB1 though! And that one linked is a nice 
example. Just a lot of $$ for what it is.
IanA Alberta Canada
On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:48:22 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>
> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
> one. 
>
> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It was 
> a 56 and a hair too small. 
>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Brian Cunningham]

Hey Brent,

I know that we've already gotten to chat about how much I enjoy my Roadini. 
I have owned an RB-1 previously, and would argue that if you could only own 
of those two bikes, the Roadini is a clear winner from the standpoint of 
utility. I've been commuting on it and taking it on mixed surface rides. 
Even in terms of weight, it's going to be a fairly negligible difference 
depending on how you build it up. I don't imagine it's easier to squeeze 
much beyond a 28mm tire on the RB-1 so it's not going to be as comfortable 
on rougher streets or fire roads. The shorter chainstays of the RB-1 are 
probably going to make it a little bit faster, but I doubt you'd be as 
happy on that bike on other than nicely paved roads. I also think that 
there's a little bit of market inflation when it comes to the top-model 
Bridgestones. If you want a zippy lightweight pure road bike of that era, 
you can probably find equally good ones that don't have the Bridgestone 
name attached. And if you're a strong rider, you can be nearly as fast on 
the Roadini with some plush wider tires with lightweight casing. 

That seller of the Bridgestone seems to specialize in very nice bikes with 
attractive photos and appears unconcerned with letting the market decide 
the value. He's had a Davidson Discovery up for eons with a caveat that 
he's "not desperate to sell" it and it shows. The price hasn't moved and 
nor has the bike. When I sold my RB-1, supposedly at the peak of bike 
scarcity in the early days of the pandemic, I still only asked $400 thru my 
local CL. I got my price within a day or two, no haggling. I'll concede 
that mine wasn't in nearly as nice condition, but still. 

my $0.02,

Brian
Glendale, CA

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:08:54 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> A 1990's road racing bike and a new Rivendell Leo Roadini are two VERY 
> different animals.  Like, practically different species, even if they are 
> the same genus.  Step 1 is decide which of the two you want, and then buy 
> the one you want.  If it turns out you really want one of each of those two 
> very different bicycles, then you've got something else to deal with.  
>
> If the real problem is you want one of each, know that they are completely 
> different bikes, and can only afford one.  If that's the issue then you 
> need to go back to Step 1 and decide which of these two types of bikes you 
> want FIRST.  Buy that one and save up for the other.  They are going to fit 
> MUCH differently.  They are going to ride a lot differently.  They will 
> have much different levels of comfort, stability, agility, etc.  They have 
> completely different vibes from one another.  I have both of those types 
> covered in my stable, so the appeal of having one of each type makes 
> perfect sense to me.  :-)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>
>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
>> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
>> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
>> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
>> one. 
>>
>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It 
>> was a 56 and a hair too small. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Bill Lindsay]

A 1990's road racing bike and a new Rivendell Leo Roadini are two VERY 
different animals.  Like, practically different species, even if they are 
the same genus.  Step 1 is decide which of the two you want, and then buy 
the one you want.  If it turns out you really want one of each of those two 
very different bicycles, then you've got something else to deal with.  

If the real problem is you want one of each, know that they are completely 
different bikes, and can only afford one.  If that's the issue then you 
need to go back to Step 1 and decide which of these two types of bikes you 
want FIRST.  Buy that one and save up for the other.  They are going to fit 
MUCH differently.  They are going to ride a lot differently.  They will 
have much different levels of comfort, stability, agility, etc.  They have 
completely different vibes from one another.  I have both of those types 
covered in my stable, so the appeal of having one of each type makes 
perfect sense to me.  :-)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>
> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
> one. 
>
> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It was 
> a 56 and a hair too small. 
>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Joe Bernard]

It's a lovely bike in rare shape, 30 years on these aren't coming up in 
this condition every day. I believe the advertised max tire size was 28mm 
but that was in the era of over-promising on size by tire manufacturers, 
I'd only buy this if I was sure I could live with a 700x25 tire. 

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>
> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
> one. 
>
> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It was 
> a 56 and a hair too small. 
>

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