[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
I agree with the tan aesthetics. Planning on using the NS Big Box on a front loader. I've had a Carradice Camper longflap for some time on the back of my Rambouillet with a big Nitto rear rack supporting it, and have used it along with grocery panniers to go to the market. Of course I need to watch how much wieght I put in there- a lot of canned goods makes for an interesting experience in concentrated cycling on the way home. But all said, it's great having a really big bag to throw stuff in. On Feb 6, 4:36 pm, Lesli wrote: > I prefer the aesthetics of my Nigel Smythe country bag. The brown > leather against black canvas and engraved nameplate are all a little > dear (a little too Dooney and Bourke) for me. In general, I prefer my > canvas in khaki or forest green. > > I do love my Riv NS country bag. It's probably the proximate size of > the new > medium Sackville model. Holds quite a bit and always keeps out the > rain. > > Here's a photo: > > http://flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/379511081/ > > Riv stuff is really so well made that the first saddlebag I bought is > the last one I will probably ever need. > > Lesli Larson > > On Feb 6, 4:27 pm, "Doug Peterson" wrote: > > > How much can you get in the Lil' Loafer? I've never seen on in person but > > they look good in the photos & seem to be out of the way as far as your > > hands go. I use my front bag for food, maps, & a handy stash spot for > > clothes. As neat as it looks, the Lil Loafer looked a bit small for the > > price. But what's your real world experience with it? > > > I have a black nylon ugly trunk bag that's roughly the size of the big > > loafer. Hate the look but it works & that nylon stuff won't die so I have > > an excuse to replace it. For supported tours it goes on the rear rack & > > the ancient Hobo as a h'bar bag. Between food, clothes, & odds'n'ends, > > I've still managed to max that combo out. The Hobo is actually a bit in > > the way as a h'bar bag, even with 42 cm. > > Junk expands to fill the available space. > > dougP > > > -Original Message- > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:24 PM > > To: RBW Owners Bunch > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? > > > I'm torn with them. On the one hand, yeah, they are too fussy > > loking. On the other, they really look like the bees knees of bags. > > Whether I get the medium or not is still being debated. > > > Right now, though, would rather have an olive tweed big loafer to > > match my lil' loaf. Going to run the Atlantis with a Nitto top rack, > > and those two bags together should handle most day rides that don't > > involve shopping. > > > Eric Platt > > St. Paul, MN > > > On Feb 6, 1:56 pm, usuk2007 wrote: > > > The large Sackville at 23L is the same size as the Carradice Super C > > > or Camper > > > but the Sackville costs twice as much. > > > > The bags look well made, but they also look fussy and I don't like the > > > boxy shape. > > > Rivendell also persists in fastening the saddle strap buckles outside > > > the bag. Maybe > > > you an do that and not have too much saddle sway on the Sackville bags > > > as I > > > see there's a pocket for the rack upright. Anyway i like to have the > > > saddlebag tight up > > > against the saddle and you do that by fastening the buckles inside the > > > bag. > > > > I may be an uber retro grouch here, but I'll stick with Carradice, > > > that's what real cyclists used ;-) > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 18:01 -0800, usuk2007 wrote: > +1 on buying directly form the UK. Lots of stock at St John's Street > and > with the exchange rate at $1.40 to the pound the bags are good value. > You'll get a great bag and save $80. Here's what I pack in a 18L > Nelson Longflap and a 9 L Junior (used as a bar bag) for weeks of > credit card touring Just watch out for the shipping. That's gone WAY up. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
To throw some confusion into the mix, at one point, after the Baggins Bags were introduced, Riv returned to Carradice make some bags based on the Baggins designs, and Riv sold these as "Sackville" bags. This was maybe 2001 or 2002, I think. I had a boxy bag and an Adam-sized saddlebag of these older Sackvilles. When it arrived the saddlebag had a cardboard tag attached that said "Adam" on it, so I always figured it was the Adam design as made by Carradice. They were green canvas with leather trim. They didn't say Sackville anywhere on them that I recall, but had Carradice labels, and in the Riv catalog they were sold as Sackville. I don't think they were around for very long. -Pete On 2/7/09, CycloFiend wrote: > > > Early on, RBW carried Carradice. I'm getting ready to ride or I'd dig > through the old catalogs. I think beth has one of the older Carradice-sewn > RBW bags which was closer to Carradice in spirit. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
on 2/6/09 4:27 PM, Doug Peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote: > How much can you get in the Lil' Loafer? I've never seen on in person but > they look good in the photos & seem to be out of the way as far as your hands > go. I use my front bag for food, maps, & a handy stash spot for clothes. As > neat as it looks, the Lil Loafer looked a bit small for the price. But what's > your real world experience with it? I like the LL because it perfectly fits the Nitto mini front rack (which uses the same load platform as Mark's Rack). Right now, I tote: mini-pump, emergency info/money baggie, neck gaiter, wool gloves, wool stocking cap, a couple of bars & gels and extra headlight as the base layer. mini U-lock, lightweight wind shell, dry cap, sandwich as the ride demands and still have a bit of room without stressing it. I've also added the shock cord "X" loop is throw a jacket or gloves through. (Shown on the Country Bag here) http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/2321614060 (snipped) > Junk expands to fill the available space. Ha! Absolutely. That's one thing I like about the L'il Loafer... It's just self-limiting enough. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Current Classics Bicycle Photo Gallery - http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc Cross Bike Photo Gallery - http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx Single Speed Garage Photo Gallery - http://www.cyclofiend.com/ssg Working Bikes & Practical Hardware - http://www.cyclofiend.com/working Work Shops of the iBob's - http://www.cyclofiend.com/shop Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace." William Gibson - "All Tomorrow's Parties" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
on 2/6/09 4:13 PM, Doug Peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote: > Wallingford has has Carradice supply problems for years, i don't think > it's anything new, though it could be worse over the last year. It > seems from Grant's writing on the new products that most of them are > bourne partly from a desire for their own style, partly because > existing supplies are unreliable. Carradice used to make a line of > bags for RBW too, but i don't think those existed very long, maybe > just a catalog or two? Early on, RBW carried Carradice. I'm getting ready to ride or I'd dig through the old catalogs. I think beth has one of the older Carradice-sewn RBW bags which was closer to Carradice in spirit. When the initial Baggins bags came out, there was very little like them - nothing I can think of that was sewn domestically. When I first got them, I had a few folks ask if my Banana Bag or Hobo Bag were Filson. My guess is that GP _thinks_ about bags the same way he thinks about bikes. As a confirmed bag-geek, I really enjoy the designs. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Three T-shirts Now Available: "I've Got Downtube Shifters..." S/S T-shirt Cyclocross - "More Cowbell" L/S T-shirt "One Cog - Zero Excuses" L/S T-shirt http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff And a 2009 Calendar - http://www.cyclofiend.com/calendar Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
on 2/6/09 11:56 AM, usuk2007 at clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: > The large Sackville at 23L is the same size as the Carradice Super C > or Camper > but the Sackville costs twice as much. > > The bags look well made, but they also look fussy and I don't like the > boxy shape. > Rivendell also persists in fastening the saddle strap buckles outside > the bag. Maybe > you an do that and not have too much saddle sway on the Sackville bags > as I > see there's a pocket for the rack upright. Anyway i like to have the > saddlebag tight up > against the saddle and you do that by fastening the buckles inside the > bag. Easy to do. You have to unbuckle them when you attach them. I'd expect they set the buckles outside because they are good looking buckles and photograph smartly, plus they'd have to answer more questions about how the straps attach if they were set up thusly: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/2567232049/ which has generated more than a few emails to me about how the strap-bits work... - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Get your photos posted: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "Then I sat up, wiped the water out of my eyes, and looked at my bike, and just like that I knew it was dead" -- Robert McCammon, "Boy's Life" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
The rigging Lisa suggests works on other bags too. I've done that with my Hobo because I figured it was less likely to be casually ripped off the bike if the attachments were out of sight. On my bag, moving the buckles doesn't change the relationship of the bag to the seat but I could easily punch another hole in the strap & tighten it up. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa -S.H. Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:25 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? Why don't you just take the two saddle straps out and re-thread them back with the buckles inside the bag, with only a tight loop coming out of the slot and fastening to the saddle ring? It's easy. Lisa > On Feb 6, 1:56�pm, usuk2007 wrote: > > The bags look well made, but they also look fussy and I don't like > > the boxy shape. Rivendell also persists in fastening the saddle > > strap buckles outside the bag. Maybe you an do that and not have > > too much saddle sway on the Sackville bags as I see there's a > > pocket for the rack upright. Anyway i like to have the saddlebag > > tight up against the saddle and you do that by fastening the > > buckles inside the bag. > > I may be an uber retro grouch here, but I'll stick with Carradice, > > that's what real cyclists used ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
+1 on buying directly form the UK. Lots of stock at St John's Street and with the exchange rate at $1.40 to the pound the bags are good value. You'll get a great bag and save $80. Here's what I pack in a 18L Nelson Longflap and a 9 L Junior (used as a bar bag) for weeks of credit card touring http://www.flickr.com/photos/8342...@n02/3259533098/in/photostream/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
Paul C wrote: >>For now, it looks like I'm wedded to the Carradice Camper Longflap. It's become an old and comfortable companion. I can understand Grant wanting to have his own line of bags, but I don't understand why they ever dropped Carradice. They seem like great bags.<< My bike shop carries Carradice bags, and I can tell you why any retailer MIGHT decide to stop. Carradice bags, enjoying a rennaissance as they have, are still made one at a time, by a handful of people in a small facility in Great Britain. As their popularity grew (thanks in large part to Grant and the nice folks at RBW back in the late 90's) the supply-line became clogged with backorders. At this writing, Citybikes Workers' Co-op (my shop) remains the only "stockist" on the west coast of the US. As a result, we get lots of phone calls from all over the country for Carradice bags. We place two very large orders with Carradice each year, mostly consisting of transverse saddlebags, Bike Bureau panniers and rain capes. Sometimes we get everything we've asked for. Sometimes we don't; it just depends on what Carradice can crank out with a handful of people making these things on half a dozen sewing machines. Their operation is small, even though their appeal is great. Some retailers, like us, continue to think that the delays and shortages are worth the trouble of being able to stock the bags. Other retailers may decide that it's too much of a hassle. If that's what Rivendell decided, I can't say I blame them -- though Carradice still make one nice saddlebag. I look forward to seeing one of the Sackville bags in person to contrast and compare. If anyone here gets one, let us know how you like it. And take pix! Please. Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
My NS bag is a nice canvas twill. It was one of the early prototypes. Color is more forest green than khaki tan. It has a wonderful tight weave which really keeps out the rain. LL On Feb 6, 4:55 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Lesli wrote: > > > I prefer the aesthetics of my Nigel Smythe country bag. The brown > > leather against black canvas and engraved nameplate are all a little > > dear (a little too Dooney and Bourke) for me. In general, I prefer my > > canvas in khaki or forest green. > > > I do love my Riv NS country bag. It's probably the proximate size of > > the new > > medium Sackville model. Holds quite a bit and always keeps out the > > rain. > > > Here's a photo: > > >http://flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/379511081/ > > > Riv stuff is really so well made that the first saddlebag I bought is > > the last one I will probably ever need. > > How do y'all keep ya'll's bags so *clean*? Mine all look used after a month! > (Well, my NS canvas country bag, on the gofast, still looks new after a few > months, but that's because the gofast doesn't get as much action as the > errand bikes.) > > FWIW, the Country Bag is, to my mind, the ideal day ride bag: too small for > commuting, too big for just tools and ride kit, but just right for tools, > the bulky gloves, neck gaiter and pullover that you take off after 10 miles > or so, plus lunch, book and camera. > > Lesli: what is yours made from? I thought that the options were canvas > (approved) and tweed (not approved). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Lesli wrote: > > I prefer the aesthetics of my Nigel Smythe country bag. The brown > leather against black canvas and engraved nameplate are all a little > dear (a little too Dooney and Bourke) for me. In general, I prefer my > canvas in khaki or forest green. > > I do love my Riv NS country bag. It's probably the proximate size of > the new > medium Sackville model. Holds quite a bit and always keeps out the > rain. > > Here's a photo: > > http://flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/379511081/ > > Riv stuff is really so well made that the first saddlebag I bought is > the last one I will probably ever need. > How do y'all keep ya'll's bags so *clean*? Mine all look used after a month! (Well, my NS canvas country bag, on the gofast, still looks new after a few months, but that's because the gofast doesn't get as much action as the errand bikes.) FWIW, the Country Bag is, to my mind, the ideal day ride bag: too small for commuting, too big for just tools and ride kit, but just right for tools, the bulky gloves, neck gaiter and pullover that you take off after 10 miles or so, plus lunch, book and camera. Lesli: what is yours made from? I thought that the options were canvas (approved) and tweed (not approved). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
I don't like the way the little loafer loads to the front of the bike, away from the rider. You should be able to open it up easily while riding or stopped, not reach around and open from the front... On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Doug Peterson wrote: > > How much can you get in the Lil' Loafer? I've never seen on in person but > they look good in the photos & seem to be out of the way as far as your > hands go. I use my front bag for food, maps, & a handy stash spot for > clothes. As neat as it looks, the Lil Loafer looked a bit small for the > price. But what's your real world experience with it? > > I have a black nylon ugly trunk bag that's roughly the size of the big > loafer. Hate the look but it works & that nylon stuff won't die so I have > an excuse to replace it. For supported tours it goes on the rear rack & the > ancient Hobo as a h'bar bag. Between food, clothes, & odds'n'ends, I've > still managed to max that combo out. The Hobo is actually a bit in the way > as a h'bar bag, even with 42 cm. > Junk expands to fill the available space. > dougP > > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:24 PM > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? > > > I'm torn with them. On the one hand, yeah, they are too fussy > loking. On the other, they really look like the bees knees of bags. > Whether I get the medium or not is still being debated. > > Right now, though, would rather have an olive tweed big loafer to > match my lil' loaf. Going to run the Atlantis with a Nitto top rack, > and those two bags together should handle most day rides that don't > involve shopping. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > > On Feb 6, 1:56�pm, usuk2007 wrote: > > The large Sackville at 23L is the same size as the Carradice Super C > > or Camper > > but the Sackville costs twice as much. > > > > The bags look well made, but they also look fussy and I don't like the > > boxy shape. > > Rivendell also persists in fastening the saddle strap buckles outside > > the bag. Maybe > > you an do that and not have too much saddle sway on the Sackville bags > > as I > > see there's a pocket for the rack upright. Anyway i like to have the > > saddlebag tight up > > against the saddle and you do that by fastening the buckles inside the > > bag. > > > > I may be an uber retro grouch here, but I'll stick with Carradice, > > that's what real cyclists used ;-) > > > > > > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
Someone wrote: > > I just took a look at them. I still like the tubular shape of the > Carradices. I bought the Hoss when it came out and found that it > wouldn't ride on the top of my Nitto expedition rear rack. That > little bar that sticks up on the front of the rack stuck right up > through the bottom of the Hoss. With the camper longflap, I can just > roatate the bag backward and rest it on the rack, with the seatpost > strap going around that little upright bit that caused the problem > with the Hoss. When I tried to rotate the Hoss back, it pointed up > into the air. I finally sold the Hoss on Ebay. > > It looks like the Sackville bags may have the same problem. That problem, if it is indeed a problem, was also true of the Adam and siblings: because they were built more boxy and "upright", when I rotated mine backward to fit onto a Carradice mount with a wire rack, the opening was tilted toward the saddle. A Nelson would have been held perfectly upright. But IMO, the boxier, upright-er design of the Adam was nice for someone who didn't want a rack for a saddlebag. Tucked under the saddle, the opening was still upward, not downward as with a Nelson and ilk. But this baggage user has decided that, if he has to use a rack for a bag, he'd rather use it with panniers -- the entire raison d'etre and purpose and entelechy and causam finalem or teleological determinatum of a saddle bag being: ya don't need a rack, right? So it's back to Flys and panniers of varying sizes according to load. Benefits: carry more at need -- including fretless room for an iBook; smaller bag at need; load affects handling less (and, folks, I've used almost all of them); and -- FWIW -- compared to the 2 1/4 lb unladen weight of the Adam, the Fly plus my converted OYB ManPurse minipannier weigh in at about 1.5 lb. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
I prefer the aesthetics of my Nigel Smythe country bag. The brown leather against black canvas and engraved nameplate are all a little dear (a little too Dooney and Bourke) for me. In general, I prefer my canvas in khaki or forest green. I do love my Riv NS country bag. It's probably the proximate size of the new medium Sackville model. Holds quite a bit and always keeps out the rain. Here's a photo: http://flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/379511081/ Riv stuff is really so well made that the first saddlebag I bought is the last one I will probably ever need. Lesli Larson On Feb 6, 4:27 pm, "Doug Peterson" wrote: > How much can you get in the Lil' Loafer? I've never seen on in person but > they look good in the photos & seem to be out of the way as far as your hands > go. I use my front bag for food, maps, & a handy stash spot for clothes. As > neat as it looks, the Lil Loafer looked a bit small for the price. But > what's your real world experience with it? > > I have a black nylon ugly trunk bag that's roughly the size of the big > loafer. Hate the look but it works & that nylon stuff won't die so I have an > excuse to replace it. For supported tours it goes on the rear rack & the > ancient Hobo as a h'bar bag. Between food, clothes, & odds'n'ends, I've > still managed to max that combo out. The Hobo is actually a bit in the way > as a h'bar bag, even with 42 cm. > Junk expands to fill the available space. > dougP > > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:24 PM > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? > > I'm torn with them. On the one hand, yeah, they are too fussy > loking. On the other, they really look like the bees knees of bags. > Whether I get the medium or not is still being debated. > > Right now, though, would rather have an olive tweed big loafer to > match my lil' loaf. Going to run the Atlantis with a Nitto top rack, > and those two bags together should handle most day rides that don't > involve shopping. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On Feb 6, 1:56 pm, usuk2007 wrote: > > The large Sackville at 23L is the same size as the Carradice Super C > > or Camper > > but the Sackville costs twice as much. > > > The bags look well made, but they also look fussy and I don't like the > > boxy shape. > > Rivendell also persists in fastening the saddle strap buckles outside > > the bag. Maybe > > you an do that and not have too much saddle sway on the Sackville bags > > as I > > see there's a pocket for the rack upright. Anyway i like to have the > > saddlebag tight up > > against the saddle and you do that by fastening the buckles inside the > > bag. > > > I may be an uber retro grouch here, but I'll stick with Carradice, > > that's what real cyclists used ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
How much can you get in the Lil' Loafer? I've never seen on in person but they look good in the photos & seem to be out of the way as far as your hands go. I use my front bag for food, maps, & a handy stash spot for clothes. As neat as it looks, the Lil Loafer looked a bit small for the price. But what's your real world experience with it? I have a black nylon ugly trunk bag that's roughly the size of the big loafer. Hate the look but it works & that nylon stuff won't die so I have an excuse to replace it. For supported tours it goes on the rear rack & the ancient Hobo as a h'bar bag. Between food, clothes, & odds'n'ends, I've still managed to max that combo out. The Hobo is actually a bit in the way as a h'bar bag, even with 42 cm. Junk expands to fill the available space. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:24 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? I'm torn with them. On the one hand, yeah, they are too fussy loking. On the other, they really look like the bees knees of bags. Whether I get the medium or not is still being debated. Right now, though, would rather have an olive tweed big loafer to match my lil' loaf. Going to run the Atlantis with a Nitto top rack, and those two bags together should handle most day rides that don't involve shopping. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Feb 6, 1:56�pm, usuk2007 wrote: > The large Sackville at 23L is the same size as the Carradice Super C > or Camper > but the Sackville costs twice as much. > > The bags look well made, but they also look fussy and I don't like the > boxy shape. > Rivendell also persists in fastening the saddle strap buckles outside > the bag. Maybe > you an do that and not have too much saddle sway on the Sackville bags > as I > see there's a pocket for the rack upright. Anyway i like to have the > saddlebag tight up > against the saddle and you do that by fastening the buckles inside the > bag. > > I may be an uber retro grouch here, but I'll stick with Carradice, > that's what real cyclists used ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
Why don't you just take the two saddle straps out and re-thread them back with the buckles inside the bag, with only a tight loop coming out of the slot and fastening to the saddle ring? It's easy. Lisa > On Feb 6, 1:56�pm, usuk2007 wrote: > > The bags look well made, but they also look fussy and I don't like > > the boxy shape. Rivendell also persists in fastening the saddle > > strap buckles outside the bag. Maybe you an do that and not have > > too much saddle sway on the Sackville bags as I see there's a > > pocket for the rack upright. Anyway i like to have the saddlebag > > tight up against the saddle and you do that by fastening the > > buckles inside the bag. > > I may be an uber retro grouch here, but I'll stick with Carradice, > > that's what real cyclists used ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
I'll second that. Please post photos of the bag on the bike so we can get an idea of scale. Load it up. Then a photo of all the stuff that went into the bag, spread out, with some common item like a loaf of bread for scale comparison. Knowing it's 23 liters is helpful but I know 30 bottles of wine won't fit. dougP _ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Dinneen Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:45 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? I also have a Bleriot and would be interested in seeing pictures of your bike with bag installed. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Frank wrote: From: Frank Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 10:06 PM I ordered the large one and plan to keep it on my Bleriot. That bike is most frequently ridden on errands or on weekends with my wife and two kids, who at 5 and 8 are adept cyclists, but not yet able to carry much. I typically carry lunch for 4, extra layers for the boys, a stuffed something or other, and anything we buy at the local markets. I have an old Baggins Hoss on my Quickbeam and like it a lot, but this bag looks more substantial, formed, and potentially useful. On Feb 5, 7:38 am, b hamon wrote: > I just got a look at the new Sackville bags over at the RBW Web site. > Wow, they're humungous. The "Large" is the largest large I've seen in a regular-shaped saddlebag (I think it's bigger than the Carradice Camper by a little bit). > > Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? > > I don't plan to; I only have two "regular" bikes and they're both suitably saddlebagged at present. (Also, I don't yet know how I feel, exactly, about a saddlebag that comes with its own engraved serial number plate.) But I'm quite curious to hear if anyone is planning to purchase one and what uses are planned for it. (The idea that a saddlebag is spec'd to fit a 14" laptop certainly makes the case for ditching your briefcase pannier...) > > Beth > > http://bikelovejones.livejournal.comhttp://veloquent.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
Wallingford has has Carradice supply problems for years, i don't think it's anything new, though it could be worse over the last year. It seems from Grant's writing on the new products that most of them are bourne partly from a desire for their own style, partly because existing supplies are unreliable. Carradice used to make a line of bags for RBW too, but i don't think those existed very long, maybe just a catalog or two? -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN [dougpnirv] Wasn't the entire Hobo, Hoss, Adam, etc saddlebag collection the Baggins line? And panniers too? Now Baggins is the bar tube, Lil & Big Loafers. It's nice to have your own stuff made just the way you want it but unless you can carry inventory (expensive!) you're at the mercy of your suppliers. I still want a medium Sackville. dougP --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
I'm torn with them. On the one hand, yeah, they are too fussy loking. On the other, they really look like the bees knees of bags. Whether I get the medium or not is still being debated. Right now, though, would rather have an olive tweed big loafer to match my lil' loaf. Going to run the Atlantis with a Nitto top rack, and those two bags together should handle most day rides that don't involve shopping. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Feb 6, 1:56�pm, usuk2007 wrote: > The large Sackville at 23L is the same size as the Carradice Super C > or Camper > but the Sackville costs twice as much. > > The bags look well made, but they also look fussy and I don't like the > boxy shape. > Rivendell also persists in fastening the saddle strap buckles outside > the bag. Maybe > you an do that and not have too much saddle sway on the Sackville bags > as I > see there's a pocket for the rack upright. Anyway i like to have the > saddlebag tight up > against the saddle and you do that by fastening the buckles inside the > bag. > > I may be an uber retro grouch here, but I'll stick with Carradice, > that's what real cyclists used ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
I also have a Bleriot and would be interested in seeing pictures of your bike with bag installed. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Frank wrote: From: Frank Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 10:06 PM I ordered the large one and plan to keep it on my Bleriot. That bike is most frequently ridden on errands or on weekends with my wife and two kids, who at 5 and 8 are adept cyclists, but not yet able to carry much. I typically carry lunch for 4, extra layers for the boys, a stuffed something or other, and anything we buy at the local markets. I have an old Baggins Hoss on my Quickbeam and like it a lot, but this bag looks more substantial, formed, and potentially useful. On Feb 5, 7:38 am, b hamon wrote: > I just got a look at the new Sackville bags over at the RBW Web site. > Wow, they're humungous. The "Large" is the largest large I've seen in a regular-shaped saddlebag (I think it's bigger than the Carradice Camper by a little bit). > > Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? > > I don't plan to; I only have two "regular" bikes and they're both suitably saddlebagged at present. (Also, I don't yet know how I feel, exactly, about a saddlebag that comes with its own engraved serial number plate.) But I'm quite curious to hear if anyone is planning to purchase one and what uses are planned for it. (The idea that a saddlebag is spec'd to fit a 14" laptop certainly makes the case for ditching your briefcase pannier...) > > Beth > > http://bikelovejones.livejournal.comhttp://veloquent.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
FYI if you are looking for Carradice Bags with the weak dollar it seems to make sense to order them directly from England if you are looking to save a few bucks. Saint Johns Strees Cycles seems to have a good supply http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/ Dan Abelson Saint Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM, k5osx wrote: > > On Feb 6, 2:50 pm, "Doug Peterson" wrote: >> I recall something probably in a RR a few years ago (maybe when Baggins came >> out?) that delivery of Carradice was spotty. I looked at Carradice on >> Wallingford yesterday & lots of stuff out of stock, and Peter White's >> inventory updates are months old. So Grant may have been trying to fill a >> demand. > > I'd bet that the recession is causing low inventories. I believe that > *all* > merchants will have low inventories in the coming months. And given > the amount of Chinese imports in the US, and the number of factory > closures > in China, we may soon be unable to buy what we want in the coming > year. So, > if there's something that you've been thinking about buying, you'd > better get it > now before it is no longer available. (For example, RBW has said that > their > hemp twine supplier is closing down.) > > (Been waiting 2+ months for my Cyo to arrive, at Peter White, from > Germany.) > > I've been a little surprised that RBW has been introducing a lot more > items > in the last few months as compared to all of last year. Wallingford has has Carradice supply problems for years, i don't think it's anything new, though it could be worse over the last year. It seems from Grant's writing on the new products that most of them are bourne partly from a desire for their own style, partly because existing supplies are unreliable. Carradice used to make a line of bags for RBW too, but i don't think those existed very long, maybe just a catalog or two? -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
On Feb 6, 2:50 pm, "Doug Peterson" wrote: > I recall something probably in a RR a few years ago (maybe when Baggins came > out?) that delivery of Carradice was spotty. I looked at Carradice on > Wallingford yesterday & lots of stuff out of stock, and Peter White's > inventory updates are months old. So Grant may have been trying to fill a > demand. I'd bet that the recession is causing low inventories. I believe that *all* merchants will have low inventories in the coming months. And given the amount of Chinese imports in the US, and the number of factory closures in China, we may soon be unable to buy what we want in the coming year. So, if there's something that you've been thinking about buying, you'd better get it now before it is no longer available. (For example, RBW has said that their hemp twine supplier is closing down.) (Been waiting 2+ months for my Cyo to arrive, at Peter White, from Germany.) I've been a little surprised that RBW has been introducing a lot more items in the last few months as compared to all of last year. > OTH, I don't know how you'd ever figure out what to stock. I love all the > options Carradice has but it must drive a retailer nuts. > > dougP robert > > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of pcooley > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:32 AM > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? > > I just took a look at them. I still like the tubular shape of the > Carradices. I bought the Hoss when it came out and found that it > wouldn't ride on the top of my Nitto expedition rear rack. That > little bar that sticks up on the front of the rack stuck right up > through the bottom of the Hoss. With the camper longflap, I can just > roatate the bag backward and rest it on the rack, with the seatpost > strap going around that little upright bit that caused the problem > with the Hoss. When I tried to rotate the Hoss back, it pointed up > into the air. I finally sold the Hoss on Ebay. > > It looks like the Sackville bags may have the same problem. > > For now, it looks like I'm wedded to the Carradice Camper Longflap. > It's become an old and comfortable companion. I can understand Grant > wanting to have his own line of bags, but I don't understand why they > ever dropped Carradice. They seem like great bags. > > Paul Cooley > Santa Fe, NM > > On Feb 5, 8:38 am, b hamon wrote: > > > Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
I recall something probably in a RR a few years ago (maybe when Baggins came out?) that delivery of Carradice was spotty. I looked at Carradice on Wallingford yesterday & lots of stuff out of stock, and Peter White's inventory updates are months old. So Grant may have been trying to fill a demand. OTH, I don't know how you'd ever figure out what to stock. I love all the options Carradice has but it must drive a retailer nuts. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of pcooley Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:32 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? I just took a look at them. I still like the tubular shape of the Carradices. I bought the Hoss when it came out and found that it wouldn't ride on the top of my Nitto expedition rear rack. That little bar that sticks up on the front of the rack stuck right up through the bottom of the Hoss. With the camper longflap, I can just roatate the bag backward and rest it on the rack, with the seatpost strap going around that little upright bit that caused the problem with the Hoss. When I tried to rotate the Hoss back, it pointed up into the air. I finally sold the Hoss on Ebay. It looks like the Sackville bags may have the same problem. For now, it looks like I'm wedded to the Carradice Camper Longflap. It's become an old and comfortable companion. I can understand Grant wanting to have his own line of bags, but I don't understand why they ever dropped Carradice. They seem like great bags. Paul Cooley Santa Fe, NM On Feb 5, 8:38 am, b hamon wrote: > Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
The large Sackville at 23L is the same size as the Carradice Super C or Camper but the Sackville costs twice as much. The bags look well made, but they also look fussy and I don't like the boxy shape. Rivendell also persists in fastening the saddle strap buckles outside the bag. Maybe you an do that and not have too much saddle sway on the Sackville bags as I see there's a pocket for the rack upright. Anyway i like to have the saddlebag tight up against the saddle and you do that by fastening the buckles inside the bag. I may be an uber retro grouch here, but I'll stick with Carradice, that's what real cyclists used ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
On Feb 6, 11:32 am, pcooley wrote: > I just took a look at them. I still like the tubular shape of the > Carradices. I bought the Hoss when it came out and found that it > wouldn't ride on the top of my Nitto expedition rear rack. That > little bar that sticks up on the front of the rack stuck right up > through the bottom of the Hoss. I appears that's not an issue on Sackville bags: http://www.rivbike.com/images/products/full//2652/20-133c.jpg John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
I just took a look at them. I still like the tubular shape of the Carradices. I bought the Hoss when it came out and found that it wouldn't ride on the top of my Nitto expedition rear rack. That little bar that sticks up on the front of the rack stuck right up through the bottom of the Hoss. With the camper longflap, I can just roatate the bag backward and rest it on the rack, with the seatpost strap going around that little upright bit that caused the problem with the Hoss. When I tried to rotate the Hoss back, it pointed up into the air. I finally sold the Hoss on Ebay. It looks like the Sackville bags may have the same problem. For now, it looks like I'm wedded to the Carradice Camper Longflap. It's become an old and comfortable companion. I can understand Grant wanting to have his own line of bags, but I don't understand why they ever dropped Carradice. They seem like great bags. Paul Cooley Santa Fe, NM On Feb 5, 8:38 am, b hamon wrote: > Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
I ordered the large one and plan to keep it on my Bleriot. That bike is most frequently ridden on errands or on weekends with my wife and two kids, who at 5 and 8 are adept cyclists, but not yet able to carry much. I typically carry lunch for 4, extra layers for the boys, a stuffed something or other, and anything we buy at the local markets. I have an old Baggins Hoss on my Quickbeam and like it a lot, but this bag looks more substantial, formed, and potentially useful. On Feb 5, 7:38 am, b hamon wrote: > I just got a look at the new Sackville bags over at the RBW Web site. > Wow, they're humungous. The "Large" is the largest large I've seen in a > regular-shaped saddlebag (I think it's bigger than the Carradice Camper by a > little bit). > > Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? > > I don't plan to; I only have two "regular" bikes and they're both suitably > saddlebagged at present. (Also, I don't yet know how I feel, exactly, about a > saddlebag that comes with its own engraved serial number plate.) But I'm > quite curious to hear if anyone is planning to purchase one and what uses are > planned for it. (The idea that a saddlebag is spec'd to fit a 14" laptop > certainly makes the case for ditching your briefcase pannier...) > > Beth > > http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com />http://veloquent.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
The medium looks pretty interesting to me. It seems to have gotten short changed in the photo dept so I just e-mailed Mark a list of questions. The detachable pouch is a handy idea. This would probably be my main bag. I have a Hobo that's getting a bit beyond beausage after 6 years & it's easy to limit out on a day trip with food & clothes. Based on the cubic inches, the medium is double the size of the Hobo & a more useful shape. May even work for overnights if it has the flap & can be over-stuffed a bit. Prices look competitive. My only grump is black. Rather have the tannish/greenish 50s camping gear look of the Baggins line. Can't have everything. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of b hamon Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:38 AM To: Riv Bunch Subject: [RBW] Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses? I just got a look at the new Sackville bags over at the RBW Web site. Wow, they're humungous. The "Large" is the largest large I've seen in a regular-shaped saddlebag (I think it's bigger than the Carradice Camper by a little bit). Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? I don't plan to; I only have two "regular" bikes and they're both suitably saddlebagged at present. (Also, I don't yet know how I feel, exactly, about a saddlebag that comes with its own engraved serial number plate.) But I'm quite curious to hear if anyone is planning to purchase one and what uses are planned for it. (The idea that a saddlebag is spec'd to fit a 14" laptop certainly makes the case for ditching your briefcase pannier...) Beth http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com http://veloquent.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
They look like really nice bags. Did anyone else notice the apparent Sackville lil' loafer on the front rack in one of the pictures? I would really like a set of panniers, I missed out on the last Baggins versions and am holding out to see what Rivendell comes up with, if they have some in the Sackville line they will move to the very top of the list.> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:38:29 -0800> From: periwinkle...@yahoo.com> Subject: [RBW] Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > > I just got a look at the new Sackville bags over at the RBW Web site.> Wow, they're humungous. The "Large" is the largest large I've seen in a regular-shaped saddlebag (I think it's bigger than the Carradice Camper by a little bit).> > Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? > > I don't plan to; I only have two "regular" bikes and they're both suitably saddlebagged at present. (Also, I don't yet know how I feel, exactly, about a saddlebag that comes with its own engraved serial number plate.) But I'm quite curious to hear if anyone is planning to purchase one and what uses are planned for it. (The idea that a saddlebag is spec'd to fit a 14" laptop certainly makes the case for ditching your briefcase pannier...)> > Beth> > http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com> http://veloquent.blogspot.com> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:38 AM, b hamon wrote: > > I just got a look at the new Sackville bags over at the RBW Web site. > Wow, they're humungous. The "Large" is the largest large I've seen in a > regular-shaped saddlebag (I think it's bigger than the Carradice Camper by a > little bit). > > Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? > > I don't plan to; I only have two "regular" bikes and they're both suitably > saddlebagged at present. (Also, I don't yet know how I feel, exactly, about a > saddlebag that comes with its own engraved serial number plate.) But I'm > quite curious to hear if anyone is planning to purchase one and what uses are > planned for it. (The idea that a saddlebag is spec'd to fit a 14" laptop > certainly makes the case for ditching your briefcase pannier...) I would probably buy the medium if i could afford it. I used a Carradice Nelson Lowsaddle for 3 years until it was stolen last year (along with the bike; the bike came back but without the bag), and it was a really handy size. I rarely filled it more than 1/2 on daily commutes, but it enabled many last-minute stops at the grocery or beer store on the way home, whereas my current Little Joe can't. I think it's great that someone is making larger bags like this; the Acorn bags look great, but their large isn't nearly the size of a Nelson. So, i'd love a Sackville, but i'll probably need to wait a while for the bike stuff budget to catch up. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
They are big bags to be sure but it seems handy to be able to simply chuck stuff into the cavernous abyss and ride away. There is nothing more frustrating to me than to have to jam stuff into a too small bag. Its kind of like having a miniature pickup truck. The only problem is, fellow cyclists who employ those tiny little 'seat purses' and expect you to carry their extra stuff just in case they might need it. I just racked by Atlantis style clone bike and look forward to a nice saddle bag. Only problem is, I haven't worked much since November 14th 2008. Squirrels and tree bark are starting to look appetizing!!! Regarding the name tag thing, that's probably not a bad idea and would allow the maker to track quality control, durability etc. plus it psychologically adds value, in some folks minds. When I can afford one, I'll use it for work clothing, tools,bike tools, light camping,camera gear, day rides in the rainy northwest, mail packages, food from the local store and perhaps a bottle of booze or wine occasionally. I plan to leave my raincoat in it all year, along with some stuff I always seem to forget, that way I can just hop on my bike and go. On Feb 5, 7:38 am, b hamon wrote: > I just got a look at the new Sackville bags over at the RBW Web site. > Wow, they're humungous. The "Large" is the largest large I've seen in a > regular-shaped saddlebag (I think it's bigger than the Carradice Camper by a > little bit). > > Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? > > I don't plan to; I only have two "regular" bikes and they're both suitably > saddlebagged at present. (Also, I don't yet know how I feel, exactly, about a > saddlebag that comes with its own engraved serial number plate.) But I'm > quite curious to hear if anyone is planning to purchase one and what uses are > planned for it. (The idea that a saddlebag is spec'd to fit a 14" laptop > certainly makes the case for ditching your briefcase pannier...) > > Beth > > http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com />http://veloquent.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville bags: how necessary, and for what uses?
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM, b hamon wrote: > > I just got a look at the new Sackville bags over at the RBW Web site. > Wow, they're humungous. The "Large" is the largest large I've seen in a > regular-shaped saddlebag (I think it's bigger than the Carradice Camper by a > little bit). > > Anyone out in Riv-land planning on buying one of these new bags? > > I don't plan to; I only have two "regular" bikes and they're both suitably > saddlebagged at present. (Also, I don't yet know how I feel, exactly, about a > saddlebag that comes with its own engraved serial number plate.) But I'm > quite curious to hear if anyone is planning to purchase one and what uses are > planned for it. (The idea that a saddlebag is spec'd to fit a 14" laptop > certainly makes the case for ditching your briefcase pannier...) > I think the only thing holding me up from getting the medium-sized one is the leather. I'm not all that keen on leather items, in general. I could use it for farmer's market runs and get a lot of tomatoes home safely, in addition to a nice picnic lunch for an S6P (sub 6 hour picnics). -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
