Re: [RBW] Re: Shoes for winter riding

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Sorry I seem to be replying to two threads and am not sure what has been
said, so sorry for any redundancies.  I would recommend a simple shoe cover
if the cold is due to wind going through your shoes.  For colder weather,
there are neoprene booties shoe covers that work very well in blocking wind
and providing some insulation for your feet.

For Kushan's problem of heating up, I use an insulated vest and arm
warmers--double arm warmers when it's cold.  I might start out with a
shell, but as I warm up on a climb, I will remove the shell and have the
option of pulling down the arm warmers to cool down further.  If you don't
own or want bicycling-specific gear like arm warmers, I would use a long
sleeve shirt with a vest and roll up the sleeves if it gets hot.  The vest
keeps the core warm, but being able to unzip the vest and a bicycling
jersey or 1/4 zip long sleeve shirt will allow you to vent further if you
get hot.  With these strategies, I don't get sweaty at all, except for my
back to some extent, but it's not uncomfortable for me.  These strategies
work fine to keep me dry unless it's raining--ugh!

Good luck!
Toshi in Oakland (well, it gets in the 40s here in the mornings)


On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 4:50 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> As an unreformed connected foot/pedal rider due to results of injury and
> recovery. I have a pair of Lake brand cold weather riding shoes that look a
> bit like a cross country ski "boot" that I've had for decades. They aren't
> waterproof but not on my problem list these days. The fit feels sloppy
> because I can get lots of sock into them ad the straps don't create
> constrictions which makes them less than ideal for more serious or long
> rides in warmer temps..
> [image: E3600B58-E41D-4E30-A439-483D3BA41AAA_1_105_c.jpeg]
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 3:07:08 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Hi all -
>>
>> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I
>> am finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out
>> well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of
>> problem areas:
>>
>> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool
>> socks and mountain biking shoes
>> .
>> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are
>> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am
>> starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6
>> hours) ride.
>>
>> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt
>> 
>> with a breathable jacket
>> .
>> While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey is
>> soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads
>> where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is that
>> after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat similar
>> to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being out
>> in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I wear
>> the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). So
>> it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold.
>>
>> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really appreciate
>> any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back on riding
>> during winters.
>>
>> Best
>> Kushan
>>
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[RBW] Re: Shoes for winter riding

[Pam Bikes]

I have the same issues with my feet.  I wear Uggs boots which are suede 
lined with shearling with one or 2 layers of wool socks.  I have been told 
electric socks are good but haven't tried them.

For the core, my back and arm pits would sweat with a jacket so I use a 
windblock like the Riv lobster bib or something like that in the front 
leaving my back open except for the layers I'm wearing.  In the 40°s I wear 
a short sleeve wool sweater w/2 prs of wool arm warmers with the wind 
block.  I add leg warmers on top if pants.  And on my hands, leather 
shearling gloves with the Riv overmitts.  I am cold for 1 1/2 miles or 
about 10 min but am warm after that.  If my arms start to sweat I can peel 
a layer of arm warmers down.  If I make a stop in a store, I push the arm 
and leg warmers down.  I also have ear covers that are like triangles to 
cover my ears.  Hats make me sweat but I do wear one in the 30°s.  I always 
have the possum nack gaiter too.  But all these little things pack down 
small if I have to stuff them in the bag.  I take my gloves inside so they 
can keep warm on the next leg of the ride.
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 7:50:34 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> As an unreformed connected foot/pedal rider due to results of injury and 
> recovery. I have a pair of Lake brand cold weather riding shoes that look a 
> bit like a cross country ski "boot" that I've had for decades. They aren't 
> waterproof but not on my problem list these days. The fit feels sloppy 
> because I can get lots of sock into them ad the straps don't create 
> constrictions which makes them less than ideal for more serious or long 
> rides in warmer temps.. 
> [image: E3600B58-E41D-4E30-A439-483D3BA41AAA_1_105_c.jpeg]
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 3:07:08 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Hi all -
>>
>> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I 
>> am finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out 
>> well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
>> problem areas:
>>
>> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool 
>> socks and mountain biking shoes 
>> .
>>  
>> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
>> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
>> starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
>> hours) ride.
>>
>> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 
>> 
>>  
>> with a breathable jacket 
>> .
>>  
>> While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey is 
>> soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads 
>> where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is that 
>> after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat similar 
>> to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being out 
>> in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I wear 
>> the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). So 
>> it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. 
>>
>> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really appreciate 
>> any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back on riding 
>> during winters. 
>>
>> Best
>> Kushan
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Shoes for winter riding

[ascpgh]

As an unreformed connected foot/pedal rider due to results of injury and 
recovery. I have a pair of Lake brand cold weather riding shoes that look a 
bit like a cross country ski "boot" that I've had for decades. They aren't 
waterproof but not on my problem list these days. The fit feels sloppy 
because I can get lots of sock into them ad the straps don't create 
constrictions which makes them less than ideal for more serious or long 
rides in warmer temps.. 
[image: E3600B58-E41D-4E30-A439-483D3BA41AAA_1_105_c.jpeg]

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 3:07:08 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:

> Hi all -
>
> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I am 
> finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out 
> well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
> problem areas:
>
> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool 
> socks and mountain biking shoes 
> .
>  
> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
> starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
> hours) ride.
>
> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 
> 
>  
> with a breathable jacket 
> .
>  
> While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey is 
> soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads 
> where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is that 
> after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat similar 
> to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being out 
> in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I wear 
> the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). So 
> it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. 
>
> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really appreciate 
> any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back on riding 
> during winters. 
>
> Best
> Kushan
>

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[RBW] Re: Shoes for winter riding

[Roberta]

I’m new to cold winter riding so have just a little experience. I asked a 
similar, but not the same, question about cold toes last year: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/fhxPz3ZpXMY/m/. 
Now that Philadlelphia‘s temps are In the 20’s, I’ll be re- reading and 
re-evaluating for this year, using more of the great suggestions.

Last year I invested in DeFeet Woolie Boolie socks in one size larger than 
what the chart said because I don’t like tight socks or  crushed toes. They 
are perfect thickness and also give a little air pocket for warmth at the 
toes. I’ve done Garth’s suggestion for wind barrier, and recently bought a 
pair of LL bean shoes that Annie Bikes recommended on her blog, although I 
haven’t used them yet . The idea of these last two suggestions is to help 
block wind. For my lace up sneakers, I now don’t lace them as tightly.  I 
wear a very thin wool hat under my helmet.   These changes have helped. 

I don’t have any suggestions for your core but have a feeling that once you 
get that under control, your feet will benefit. 

Finally, I attended ( I was a bit late) a Cycling Savvy Zoom meeting last 
night on cold weather riding, hosted by Pam Murray, Pam Likes to Bike. She 
bikes in all kind of weather. She’s on this board and will hopefully see 
this thread. 

Roberta
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 3:07:08 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:

> Hi all -
>
> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I am 
> finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out 
> well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
> problem areas:
>
> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool 
> socks and mountain biking shoes 
> .
>  
> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
> starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
> hours) ride.
>
> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 
> 
>  
> with a breathable jacket 
> .
>  
> While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey is 
> soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads 
> where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is that 
> after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat similar 
> to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being out 
> in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I wear 
> the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). So 
> it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. 
>
> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really appreciate 
> any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back on riding 
> during winters. 
>
> Best
> Kushan
>

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