[RBW] Re: Sick Siggs
FYI, I just received email confirmation from SIGG w/ a "gift certificate code" to purchase bottles at their on-line store with free shipping. DE On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Z wrote: > I appreciate Grant's willingness to share responsibility for this fiasco. > I do not intend to penalize RBW for this issue. I feel bad for the majority > of the people at SIGG, who took pride in producing a quality product. As > for SIGG, I can't fathom what their corporate leadership were thinking. New > findings of problems w/ existing manufacturing processes are found all the > time. That's part of what moves industry forward. Corporations assess the > info and adjust their methods accordingly. Had SIGG acknowledged > participating in a now-questionable production method that they had > previously believed to be good, and informed the public of their intention > to change, the fallout would have been minimal conpared to what they must > endure now. > > -- > *From:* Tim McNamara > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Friday, September 4, 2009 6:30:14 PM > *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Sick Siggs > > > > On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:23 PM, R Gonet wrote: > > > Apparently Sigg was selling aluminum water bottles with an interior > > coating containing bisphenol, which is supposed to be a bad thing. > > Grant has a post on the RBW site about this, under the Rivendell News > > section. Sigg is replacing these bottles and Grant suggests that you > > send them back to Sigg, but because RBW sold them, Grant is also > > willing to assist in the exchange (read the article for details). > > Grant is apologetic for having sold them - his term is "guilty by > > association" - but RBW was misled by Sigg, too. I would not think of > > returning a bottle to RBW under these circumstances and I give great > > credit to Grant's taking some responsibility, even though I think he > > does not need to. But that's just another example of why we support > > RBW. And I would never buy another Sigg product, to punish them for > > their deception > > > That said, apparently testing showed no leaching of noxious stuff > into liquids in Sigg bottles. At least per the information my wife > has from REI, who sell a lot of these things and is generally a > pretty straight-up company. Now, yes, Sigg was not as forthcoming as > they should have been: > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/are-sigg-aluminum-bottles-bpa- > free.php > > http://mysigg.com/bulletin/faq.html > > I own no Siggs, my wife (a backpacker) owns a bunch of the things but > I never have reason to use them. > > As for me, the BPA/BPB/etc. issue is less significant than- for > example- the dozen and a half pharmaceuticals that can be found in > our local tap water, along with 3M chemicals from landfills buried > (legally) 50 years ago, mercury contamination in almost all of our > lakes the the fish therein, etc. A mile from my house there are > signs in multiple language to warn people not to eat the fish taken > from the stretch of the Mississippi River that flows through here- > and the river is the cleanest it's been in 40+ years! > > Or, for that matter, check the air quality data for any US > metropolitan area. If you breathe, you're likely breathing in all > sorts of poisons. Ozone, PM2.5 pollutants, etc. > > http://www.airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=airnow.main > > Part of why I ride a bike is to minimize my contributions to this > sort of stuff. I'm eyeballing the Mark's Flat Rack add-on for my > Nitto Mini front rack as a way to make getting groceries by bike easier. > > Also, nothing is perfectly safe. Unavoidable fact of life. Somehow > people seem to come to the idea that life is supposed to be risk- > free, but that is impossible. Much of the time the risks are simply > unknown. > > > > > > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sick Siggs
I appreciate Grant's willingness to share responsibility for this fiasco. I do not intend to penalize RBW for this issue. I feel bad for the majority of the people at SIGG, who took pride in producing a quality product. As for SIGG, I can't fathom what their corporate leadership were thinking. New findings of problems w/ existing manufacturing processes are found all the time. That's part of what moves industry forward. Corporations assess the info and adjust their methods accordingly. Had SIGG acknowledged participating in a now-questionable production method that they had previously believed to be good, and informed the public of their intention to change, the fallout would have been minimal conpared to what they must endure now. From: Tim McNamara To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 6:30:14 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Sick Siggs On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:23 PM, R Gonet wrote: > Apparently Sigg was selling aluminum water bottles with an interior > coating containing bisphenol, which is supposed to be a bad thing. > Grant has a post on the RBW site about this, under the Rivendell News > section. Sigg is replacing these bottles and Grant suggests that you > send them back to Sigg, but because RBW sold them, Grant is also > willing to assist in the exchange (read the article for details). > Grant is apologetic for having sold them - his term is "guilty by > association" - but RBW was misled by Sigg, too. I would not think of > returning a bottle to RBW under these circumstances and I give great > credit to Grant's taking some responsibility, even though I think he > does not need to. But that's just another example of why we support > RBW. And I would never buy another Sigg product, to punish them for > their deception That said, apparently testing showed no leaching of noxious stuff into liquids in Sigg bottles. At least per the information my wife has from REI, who sell a lot of these things and is generally a pretty straight-up company. Now, yes, Sigg was not as forthcoming as they should have been: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/are-sigg-aluminum-bottles-bpa- free.php http://mysigg.com/bulletin/faq.html I own no Siggs, my wife (a backpacker) owns a bunch of the things but I never have reason to use them. As for me, the BPA/BPB/etc. issue is less significant than- for example- the dozen and a half pharmaceuticals that can be found in our local tap water, along with 3M chemicals from landfills buried (legally) 50 years ago, mercury contamination in almost all of our lakes the the fish therein, etc. A mile from my house there are signs in multiple language to warn people not to eat the fish taken from the stretch of the Mississippi River that flows through here- and the river is the cleanest it's been in 40+ years! Or, for that matter, check the air quality data for any US metropolitan area. If you breathe, you're likely breathing in all sorts of poisons. Ozone, PM2.5 pollutants, etc. http://www.airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=airnow.main Part of why I ride a bike is to minimize my contributions to this sort of stuff. I'm eyeballing the Mark's Flat Rack add-on for my Nitto Mini front rack as a way to make getting groceries by bike easier. Also, nothing is perfectly safe. Unavoidable fact of life. Somehow people seem to come to the idea that life is supposed to be risk- free, but that is impossible. Much of the time the risks are simply unknown. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sick Siggs
Of my entire post, the criticism of Sigg consisted of only one sentence. My major point was that GP was being so apologetic about the problem, that it wasn't necessary because it wasn't his doing, and that this was just another example of his altruism (to quote Esteban), which is another of the reasons that we support RBW. And for what it's worth, I still use the old toxic plastic bottles, but I'd be annoyed if I'd payed extra for the supposed purity of Sigg aluminum. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sick Siggs
On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:23 PM, R Gonet wrote: > Apparently Sigg was selling aluminum water bottles with an interior > coating containing bisphenol, which is supposed to be a bad thing. > Grant has a post on the RBW site about this, under the Rivendell News > section. Sigg is replacing these bottles and Grant suggests that you > send them back to Sigg, but because RBW sold them, Grant is also > willing to assist in the exchange (read the article for details). > Grant is apologetic for having sold them - his term is "guilty by > association" - but RBW was misled by Sigg, too. I would not think of > returning a bottle to RBW under these circumstances and I give great > credit to Grant's taking some responsibility, even though I think he > does not need to. But that's just another example of why we support > RBW. And I would never buy another Sigg product, to punish them for > their deception That said, apparently testing showed no leaching of noxious stuff into liquids in Sigg bottles. At least per the information my wife has from REI, who sell a lot of these things and is generally a pretty straight-up company. Now, yes, Sigg was not as forthcoming as they should have been: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/are-sigg-aluminum-bottles-bpa- free.php http://mysigg.com/bulletin/faq.html I own no Siggs, my wife (a backpacker) owns a bunch of the things but I never have reason to use them. As for me, the BPA/BPB/etc. issue is less significant than- for example- the dozen and a half pharmaceuticals that can be found in our local tap water, along with 3M chemicals from landfills buried (legally) 50 years ago, mercury contamination in almost all of our lakes the the fish therein, etc. A mile from my house there are signs in multiple language to warn people not to eat the fish taken from the stretch of the Mississippi River that flows through here- and the river is the cleanest it's been in 40+ years! Or, for that matter, check the air quality data for any US metropolitan area. If you breathe, you're likely breathing in all sorts of poisons. Ozone, PM2.5 pollutants, etc. http://www.airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=airnow.main Part of why I ride a bike is to minimize my contributions to this sort of stuff. I'm eyeballing the Mark's Flat Rack add-on for my Nitto Mini front rack as a way to make getting groceries by bike easier. Also, nothing is perfectly safe. Unavoidable fact of life. Somehow people seem to come to the idea that life is supposed to be risk- free, but that is impossible. Much of the time the risks are simply unknown. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sick Siggs
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, R Gonet wrote: > > Apparently Sigg was selling aluminum water bottles with an interior > coating containing bisphenol, which is supposed to be a bad thing. > Grant has a post on the RBW site about this, under the Rivendell News > section. Sigg is replacing these bottles and Grant suggests that you > send them back to Sigg, but because RBW sold them, Grant is also > willing to assist in the exchange (read the article for details). > Grant is apologetic for having sold them - his term is "guilty by > association" - but RBW was misled by Sigg, too. I would not think of > returning a bottle to RBW under these circumstances and I give great > credit to Grant's taking some responsibility, even though I think he > does not need to. But that's just another example of why we support > RBW. And I would never buy another Sigg product, to punish them for > their deception 'deception'? You sure it's deception? The way I read it they never claimed the other bottles were bpa-free. Just not leaking any bpa. They've gotten in trouble b/c the perception was that their bottles were bpa-free. It doesn't feel like deception - it feels like the normal crap you go through when something is very complicated. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sick Siggs
Grant's post was painfully altruistic, at least to my "ear." Too bad SIGG mishandled this -- its employees and merchants deserve better, and, of course, its customers. For what its worth, I have a wonderful double-walled ss SIGG bottle that I use all the time for riding with hot coffee to work and for keeping water cold on long rides (I save it for last). Its stellar, and no liner. On Sep 4, 1:23 pm, R Gonet wrote: > Apparently Sigg was selling aluminum water bottles with an interior > coating containing bisphenol, which is supposed to be a bad thing. > Grant has a post on the RBW site about this, under the Rivendell News > section. Sigg is replacing these bottles and Grant suggests that you > send them back to Sigg, but because RBW sold them, Grant is also > willing to assist in the exchange (read the article for details). > Grant is apologetic for having sold them - his term is "guilty by > association" - but RBW was misled by Sigg, too. I would not think of > returning a bottle to RBW under these circumstances and I give great > credit to Grant's taking some responsibility, even though I think he > does not need to. But that's just another example of why we support > RBW. And I would never buy another Sigg product, to punish them for > their deception --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
