[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
Agreed on the Compass Extralights. I keep wondering if I should have bought the 32mm Stampede Pass instead of the 38mm Barlow Pass for a lighter, faster ride... until I ride them. So smooth and fast and the extra air provides some extra confidence against flats. So far, so good. John On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 5:06:12 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote: > > +1 for the tires. Assuming you're starting with a 700C LHT, either the > Compass 38mm or 32mm tires will transform the ride. Don't be afraid of the > Extralight version. > > rod > > On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 7:51:50 PM UTC-4, Tony McG wrote: >> >> I don't have much experience with the Sam, but my San Marcos is a much >> nicer ride than my LHT. You may want to try different tires before you buy >> another frame. >> >> BTW, your LHT brakes won't fit on the San Marcos or the newer Sams. >> >> On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:40:58 PM UTC-5, Mike Troxell wrote: >>> >>> I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want >>> something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with >>> but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or >>> Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's >>> components to one of them? >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
+1 for the tires. Assuming you're starting with a 700C LHT, either the Compass 38mm or 32mm tires will transform the ride. Don't be afraid of the Extralight version. rod On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 7:51:50 PM UTC-4, Tony McG wrote: > > I don't have much experience with the Sam, but my San Marcos is a much > nicer ride than my LHT. You may want to try different tires before you buy > another frame. > > BTW, your LHT brakes won't fit on the San Marcos or the newer Sams. > > On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:40:58 PM UTC-5, Mike Troxell wrote: >> >> I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want >> something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with >> but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or >> Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's >> components to one of them? >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
I notice that the San Marcos is no longer on the Riv website. I wonder if this is intentional or just a web glitch? Still available from Soma, of course. Doug On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 9:16:22 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote: > > If the LHT's wheelset and parts doesn't get you to the club ride feel you > are looking for, have you thought of building up a lightweight San Marcos > and just keeping the LHT beefy for your touring desires? N+1 is always > nice if you have the space! > > John > > On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 4:40:58 PM UTC-7, Mike Troxell wrote: >> >> I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want >> something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with >> but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or >> Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's >> components to one of them? >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
If the LHT's wheelset and parts doesn't get you to the club ride feel you are looking for, have you thought of building up a lightweight San Marcos and just keeping the LHT beefy for your touring desires? N+1 is always nice if you have the space! John On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 4:40:58 PM UTC-7, Mike Troxell wrote: > > I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want > something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with > but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or > Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's > components to one of them? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
Myself, I'd prefer one bike to be really great at my favorite kind of riding . Another bike for another, if there is an "other" favorite. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
Depending on what size you need the SM is really 2 different bikes. The 650b (47-57cm) is more of a nimble sport touring bike, while the 700c version is quite a bit beefier and made to take more weight. Basically a Sam with shorter reach brakes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
If you're a smaller person, the San Marcos can be a decent tourer. If you're above 160 lbs or so, then I wouldn't recommend it for substantial loads. My girlfriend uses hers (51 cm 650b San Marcos 1st gen) as a tourer with front and rear racks. The front rack (Campee Classic 20F) needed clamps to fit; I used Tubus fork and stay clamps. It's very secure, and since the lowrider frames keep the weight so low, it's also very stable. If you're looking for a more lively bike, the San Marcos would definitely fit the bill. You could re-use the LHT's wheels if they're the same diameter (559, 622 LHT vs 584, 622 SM), but I'd keep an eye out for a lighter pair of wheels. You could definitely re-use the bars and drivetrain from the LHT. The Sam Hillborne is stouter than the San Marcos, but probably not quite as stout as the LHT. The Sam is a great "one ring to rule them all" bike, but of course Tollkein's Sam Gamgee would rather garden than rule. Regarding supple tires: put them on every bike, if you can handle the occasional flat. The ride is supreme with lightweight tires. I have bad luck with flats in town, so I just fit my Riv with Pari-Motos set up tubeless on PL23 rims. These wheels are crazy fast, and mostly puncture proof. On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:11 PM, drew wrote: > I think if a sam is an option, get the sam. It's such a fun and versatile > bike. I cant imagine anyone regretting getting a sam. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
I think if a sam is an option, get the sam. It's such a fun and versatile bike. I cant imagine anyone regretting getting a sam. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
I've owned all three (2 Sams and 2 LHT's) I wouldn't recommend the Soma San Marcos for any kind of touring. I tried it and it won't take any type of weight. The Sam Hillborne can take more weight (though not as much as the LHT) but it's more versatile and really fun to ride in different combinations. Lot's of fun. Good luck, Bruce in San Diego On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:04:10 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote: > > I agree with the lighter wheelset and would add supple tires such as a set > from Compass. The Sam would probably be better for your camping/touring > desires and the San Marcos would probably be better for the club rides. My > personal preference is the Sam because I would feel comfortable doing both > activities on a Sam. Not as sure about touring on the San Marcos. I > haven't ridden one yet (but I do like them). I did go through this same > inquiry when I bought my Sam. Once I bought a lighter wheelset with > extralight Compass tires (as a compliment to a touring/trail wheelset), > I've been very happy with the decision. The Sam can be fast and lively > stripped down to go-fastish mode. I like it much better than my old Cross > Check. > > John > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
Agreed. Try a lighter wheelset with lighter tires before springing for a new frame. The LHT is a tank, but you'll gain more first by thinning down the components. After that you can go for a lighter frame for additional gains. On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 7:40:58 PM UTC-4, Mike Troxell wrote: > > I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want > something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with > but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or > Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's > components to one of them? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts
I don't have much experience with the Sam, but my San Marcos is a much nicer ride than my LHT. You may want to try different tires before you buy another frame. BTW, your LHT brakes won't fit on the San Marcos or the newer Sams. On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:40:58 PM UTC-5, Mike Troxell wrote: > > I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want > something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with > but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or > Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's > components to one of them? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
