[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
When I thought about a Mark's rack on the front of my Bombadil, Rivendell recommended against it (Dave). Dave told me to only use the Marks Rack if I absolutely have to. If you can use the Mini front, on any bike, absolutely that rack wins, he said. Those lower struts are load bearing. On the Mini front, they are bent, but they are also tubular steel. Bend the Marks Rack aluminum struts and they will be much weaker than if they stayed straight. On the Mini Front, the joints are welded, not bolted together, also much stronger. If it's just going to be a handlebar support it might be fine. If it's going to get a platrack bolted to it with 25lbs of stuff, or a big wald basket and a case of beer, I would worry about the strength if the struts are bent. Dave told me the top of the fork crown bolts on my Bombadil are intended to enable me to run a big rear rack on the front, not to run a Marks Rack. On Aug 10, 4:37 am, Garth wrote: > I've used these brakes for a few rides now. They work well, but they > shed brake material like I've never seen. My rims are coated with > black brake dust from 2 rides. These pads won't last long. > > I think I'll try some SwissStop Black pads or VO's squeal free ones. > Anyone use either? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
I've used these brakes for a few rides now. They work well, but they shed brake material like I've never seen. My rims are coated with black brake dust from 2 rides. These pads won't last long. I think I'll try some SwissStop Black pads or VO's squeal free ones. Anyone use either? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
Thanks for bending tips Angus, they're really helpful. Thomas your idea has me thinking . I'm going to try cutting some strips of clear chainstay protector and put those inside the fork blades where it hits. My paint is Dupont Imron, so it does chip and all , sometimes easier than one would like. But, all my bikes are missing paint all over the place so I really shouldn't worry about it. I'm a sucker for Imron metallic paints! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
on a Bombadil it may be less of an issue, but... I put a couple layers of the Lizard Skin protective stickers on the inside of the fork bladed where the pad-holders hit them when the brakes are fully open. I've got a wet-paint Hillborne; maybe your Bombadil is powdercoated, which might not really need the protection. Anyway, I got a Lizard Skin clear chainstay protector and cut from it patches that did *not* have any logo on them to do this. Oh, and I imagine you'd deflate the tire to get it past the brakes if there's no room otherwise even when the brakes are open. At least, I'd do that instead of discombobulating my brake pads; deflating/inflating a tire is less tedious than re-adjusting brakes. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Aug 7, 1:20 pm, Garth wrote: > Hey guys, thanks for the help. After a ride to clear my head and > watching the video, I reconfigured and lowered the rack, with a little > bending of the struts, and everything just fits! > > I do have one more question though, regarding the pad holders hitting > the fork blades the front , which is new to me as I've always used > small enough pads that they never hit the fork blades. > > What do you do if you have wider tires than you have clearance between > the pads? I have 50.5mm there on the Bombadil. I have a set of > Michelin 2" tires that I may use in the future. Just squeeze it > through? > > Anyone using larger than 2" tires on a Bombadil or Atlantis must have > come across this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
To add a radius to the bend you can bend them over a dowel/wood broom handle. I do it in the vise ala the video except with a dowel in there too. I don't think it would be a problem in this case, but aluminum doesn't like sharp corners too much. Angus On Aug 7, 9:31 am, "J. Burkhalter" wrote: > here's the link to Mark bending struts > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65yQS1AuAfc > > -Jay > > On Aug 7, 8:01 am, rperks wrote: > > > somewhere on youtube is a video of Mark at riv bending them with a > > hammer and vise, you do not need to heat them, just do it like you > > mean it. The vise holds them at the same time and orientation for a > > syncronised bend. Call riv and talk to mark or one of the guys for > > moral support, they may even have a bent and cut set to solve this, as > > they sell the bike rack and model of brakes. > > > Rob > > > On Aug 7, 5:43 am, Garth wrote: > > > > On Aug 7, 7:17 am, Angus wrote: > > > > > Garth, > > > > > Without pictures I may be visualizing this incorrectly...but, (as > > > > Robert pointed out) can you bend the lower stays in a manner similar > > > > to the mini-front rack to allow the cantilevers to open wider? > > > > > Part of the fun & frustration of assembling a unique bicycle is making > > > > everything work together. If it were easy, everyone would do it! > > > > > Angus > > > > Yes . it's like a jigsaw puzzle! > > > > I though of bending the struts, but at room temperature I don't think > > > they are that bendable. If they were heated however . I bet they'd > > > bend to shape easily. I have zero experience with a torch though, and > > > the struts would need to be longer than they are. If I get longer > > > ones ,I may as well mount them mid low on the those braze-ons. > > > > I do ponder an open question though , if Mark's rack was not intended > > > for canti's, why does the Bombadil have the threaded holes on top of > > > the fork for it? These work perfectly for that rack. I guess the > > > answer is it works with *some* cantilevers, but not the super wide > > > ones like Frogglegs or CR720. The vintage wide BR-MC70 I have on there > > > now in the front fits fine because the triangle sticks out higher than > > > on the CR720, as seen > > > here.http://www.flickr.com/photos/11316...@n04/4860392084/ > > > . The BR-MC70 was taken from another bike to fit he Bombadil, as > > > my Plan 1 was to use XC Pro canti's, but their low profile had meager > > > stopping power on this frame due to it's large clearances, the yoke > > > angles were poor. The rear brake is a well used Shimano BR-MT62 I > > > found on ebay , as the BR-MC70 didn't work there as it binded on the > > > canti post. These were meant to be temporary brakes until I could find > > > some new ones but they may need to stay permanently. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
After getting the CR720 on the front, I notice they I have to put the hanger quite a bit off center for it to pull evenly. The spring adjust screws help a little ,but not enough. My previous brakes had no spring adjustment and the pull was dead straight. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
Hey guys, thanks for the help. After a ride to clear my head and watching the video, I reconfigured and lowered the rack, with a little bending of the struts, and everything just fits! I do have one more question though, regarding the pad holders hitting the fork blades the front , which is new to me as I've always used small enough pads that they never hit the fork blades. What do you do if you have wider tires than you have clearance between the pads? I have 50.5mm there on the Bombadil. I have a set of Michelin 2" tires that I may use in the future. Just squeeze it through? Anyone using larger than 2" tires on a Bombadil or Atlantis must have come across this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
here's the link to Mark bending struts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65yQS1AuAfc -Jay On Aug 7, 8:01 am, rperks wrote: > somewhere on youtube is a video of Mark at riv bending them with a > hammer and vise, you do not need to heat them, just do it like you > mean it. The vise holds them at the same time and orientation for a > syncronised bend. Call riv and talk to mark or one of the guys for > moral support, they may even have a bent and cut set to solve this, as > they sell the bike rack and model of brakes. > > Rob > > On Aug 7, 5:43 am, Garth wrote: > > > > > On Aug 7, 7:17 am, Angus wrote: > > > > Garth, > > > > Without pictures I may be visualizing this incorrectly...but, (as > > > Robert pointed out) can you bend the lower stays in a manner similar > > > to the mini-front rack to allow the cantilevers to open wider? > > > > Part of the fun & frustration of assembling a unique bicycle is making > > > everything work together. If it were easy, everyone would do it! > > > > Angus > > > Yes . it's like a jigsaw puzzle! > > > I though of bending the struts, but at room temperature I don't think > > they are that bendable. If they were heated however . I bet they'd > > bend to shape easily. I have zero experience with a torch though, and > > the struts would need to be longer than they are. If I get longer > > ones ,I may as well mount them mid low on the those braze-ons. > > > I do ponder an open question though , if Mark's rack was not intended > > for canti's, why does the Bombadil have the threaded holes on top of > > the fork for it? These work perfectly for that rack. I guess the > > answer is it works with *some* cantilevers, but not the super wide > > ones like Frogglegs or CR720. The vintage wide BR-MC70 I have on there > > now in the front fits fine because the triangle sticks out higher than > > on the CR720, as seen > > here.http://www.flickr.com/photos/11316...@n04/4860392084/ > > . The BR-MC70 was taken from another bike to fit he Bombadil, as > > my Plan 1 was to use XC Pro canti's, but their low profile had meager > > stopping power on this frame due to it's large clearances, the yoke > > angles were poor. The rear brake is a well used Shimano BR-MT62 I > > found on ebay , as the BR-MC70 didn't work there as it binded on the > > canti post. These were meant to be temporary brakes until I could find > > some new ones but they may need to stay permanently. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
somewhere on youtube is a video of Mark at riv bending them with a hammer and vise, you do not need to heat them, just do it like you mean it. The vise holds them at the same time and orientation for a syncronised bend. Call riv and talk to mark or one of the guys for moral support, they may even have a bent and cut set to solve this, as they sell the bike rack and model of brakes. Rob On Aug 7, 5:43 am, Garth wrote: > On Aug 7, 7:17 am, Angus wrote: > > > Garth, > > > Without pictures I may be visualizing this incorrectly...but, (as > > Robert pointed out) can you bend the lower stays in a manner similar > > to the mini-front rack to allow the cantilevers to open wider? > > > Part of the fun & frustration of assembling a unique bicycle is making > > everything work together. If it were easy, everyone would do it! > > > Angus > > Yes . it's like a jigsaw puzzle! > > I though of bending the struts, but at room temperature I don't think > they are that bendable. If they were heated however . I bet they'd > bend to shape easily. I have zero experience with a torch though, and > the struts would need to be longer than they are. If I get longer > ones ,I may as well mount them mid low on the those braze-ons. > > I do ponder an open question though , if Mark's rack was not intended > for canti's, why does the Bombadil have the threaded holes on top of > the fork for it? These work perfectly for that rack. I guess the > answer is it works with *some* cantilevers, but not the super wide > ones like Frogglegs or CR720. The vintage wide BR-MC70 I have on there > now in the front fits fine because the triangle sticks out higher than > on the CR720, as seen > here.http://www.flickr.com/photos/11316...@n04/4860392084/ > . The BR-MC70 was taken from another bike to fit he Bombadil, as > my Plan 1 was to use XC Pro canti's, but their low profile had meager > stopping power on this frame due to it's large clearances, the yoke > angles were poor. The rear brake is a well used Shimano BR-MT62 I > found on ebay , as the BR-MC70 didn't work there as it binded on the > canti post. These were meant to be temporary brakes until I could find > some new ones but they may need to stay permanently. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
On Aug 7, 7:17 am, Angus wrote: > Garth, > > Without pictures I may be visualizing this incorrectly...but, (as > Robert pointed out) can you bend the lower stays in a manner similar > to the mini-front rack to allow the cantilevers to open wider? > > Part of the fun & frustration of assembling a unique bicycle is making > everything work together. If it were easy, everyone would do it! > > Angus Yes . it's like a jigsaw puzzle! I though of bending the struts, but at room temperature I don't think they are that bendable. If they were heated however . I bet they'd bend to shape easily. I have zero experience with a torch though, and the struts would need to be longer than they are. If I get longer ones ,I may as well mount them mid low on the those braze-ons. I do ponder an open question though , if Mark's rack was not intended for canti's, why does the Bombadil have the threaded holes on top of the fork for it? These work perfectly for that rack. I guess the answer is it works with *some* cantilevers, but not the super wide ones like Frogglegs or CR720. The vintage wide BR-MC70 I have on there now in the front fits fine because the triangle sticks out higher than on the CR720, as seen here. http://www.flickr.com/photos/11316...@n04/4860392084/ . The BR-MC70 was taken from another bike to fit he Bombadil, as my Plan 1 was to use XC Pro canti's, but their low profile had meager stopping power on this frame due to it's large clearances, the yoke angles were poor. The rear brake is a well used Shimano BR-MT62 I found on ebay , as the BR-MC70 didn't work there as it binded on the canti post. These were meant to be temporary brakes until I could find some new ones but they may need to stay permanently. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
Garth, Without pictures I may be visualizing this incorrectly...but, (as Robert pointed out) can you bend the lower stays in a manner similar to the mini-front rack to allow the cantilevers to open wider? Part of the fun & frustration of assembling a unique bicycle is making everything work together. If it were easy, everyone would do it! Angus On Aug 6, 3:49 pm, Garth wrote: > When installing some CR720's today on the Bombadil, I found out they > conflict big time with a Marks front rack, mounted at the braze-ons > below the canti bosses. This is not good. When installed, the brakes > cannot open to get the tire out, they hit the struts of the Nitto. Is > this a secret that I was not aware of? > > What to do? I don't know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
Really though .. this is the third brake I've tried using on the Bombadil. I was hoping to use one paired set. Right now I have a mixed set of vintage Shimano canti's on there. The canti bosses are irregular in depth, so some brakes bind when tightened on the rear. Darn quirks. Sigh . I would like to use the CR720's , as I waited a long time for polished silver ones. They've upgraded their pads to 55mm road/cross sized and nice holders, not the 72mm pin type they had. Pads and holders are # 720.12 http://www.tektro.com/02products/pads.php -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
Thanks for that Bob and Aaron. It seems my choice is a new rack or some extra long struts mounted to the mid low braze-ons instead of below the canti's. Riv is out of the long struts though. Or in the back. I already tried that, though I preferred it up front. I guess I can mount the Nitto 2 strut rack in the front either. Gheese. My best laid planes have gone to h-e double toothpicks multiple times with this bike. So much for plans! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
Thanks for that Bob. It seems my choice is a new rack or some extra long struts mounted to the mid low braze-ons instead of below the canti's. Riv is out of the long struts though. I guess I can mount the Nitto 2 strut rack in the front either. Gheese. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
I couldn't get the Mark's Rack to work on the front of my bike with the CR720 cantis either. I ended up putting it on the rear and it fits just fine (although it is a bit short compared to most rear racks). Aaron Young Rochester, NY On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Ginz wrote: > Yeah, that sounds like one of those incompatibilities you only come > across through personal experience. You could try some lower-profile > brakes or the Nitto M12 rack. > > > > On Aug 6, 4:49 pm, Garth wrote: > > When installing some CR720's today on the Bombadil, I found out they > > conflict big time with a Marks front rack, mounted at the braze-ons > > below the canti bosses. This is not good. When installed, the brakes > > cannot open to get the tire out, they hit the struts of the Nitto. Is > > this a secret that I was not aware of? > > > > What to do? I don't know. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tektro CR720 w/Marks Rack Conflicting
Yeah, that sounds like one of those incompatibilities you only come across through personal experience. You could try some lower-profile brakes or the Nitto M12 rack. On Aug 6, 4:49 pm, Garth wrote: > When installing some CR720's today on the Bombadil, I found out they > conflict big time with a Marks front rack, mounted at the braze-ons > below the canti bosses. This is not good. When installed, the brakes > cannot open to get the tire out, they hit the struts of the Nitto. Is > this a secret that I was not aware of? > > What to do? I don't know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
