[RBW] Re: Terminological Inexactitude
I love it. All of it. Especially the part about quick steering; I myself have never had a good experience where quick steering is required. As far as supple tires go...in my mind, this term is reserved only for describing leather and, well, let's just say skin. I have a friend who used to cringe at two words: supple and moist. I still cringe a little when a tire is described as supple. It's a little too sexy for a bike tire. On Feb 20, 12:43 pm, David T. davidtren...@yahoo.ca wrote: There seems to be a notion that a bike frame can be “sprightly” or “lively”. On the other hand, a frame can supposedly be “sluggish.” I assume this means that the tubing is more or less flexible. Does flexible tubing make a bike more sprightly? Couldn’t you just as well call it “floppy” or “saggy?” Can a bike even be sprightly, after all it just sits there unless someone gets on it and pedals. Does flexible tubing even make a bicycle faster, or more efficient to pedal? If it does then why do the sprinters use bikes that are as stiff as possible? There are words used to describe bicycles that are starting to lose their meaning. “Comfy” gets used a lot, to describe handlebars, tires, handlebar tape, saddles; even whole bikes probably. I think it has come to mean upholstered or padded in some way, but that isn’t always the most comfortable. For example I find a single wrap of cloth tape with a single coat of shellac to be the easiest on my hands…but that wouldn’t be “comfy” would it? It brings to mind the dreaded “comfort bike” which is maybe comfortable to sit on inside the bike shop, but not to ride from point A to point B if point A and point B are more than about half a mile apart. “Relaxed Geometry”: This has some basis in reality, but can a geometry really be relaxed? If you push it too far, it isn’t relaxing. ( I actually like how it gets expanded as “slack” geometry, “forgiving”…or is that “forgiving” steel tubing? It bet it’s not too forgiving if someone get whacked on the forehead with it. Would you be forgiven for that?) You could turn it around and call it “acute angle” or “sharp angle” geometry, but that doesn’t sound very relaxing. Plus for someone riding a time trial bike, they may be more relaxed with a more “open” geometry ( i.e. a steeper seat tube angle. ) I guess the ultimate “relaxed” geometry is the recumbent bike, which indeed is a relaxed position, until the first time you try to ride up a hill and you immediately want to go back to your more uptight upright bike. “Quick” geometry, which tends to be another way of saying a short chainstay. This makes the bike turn quicker, but it tends to get muddled with thinking that the bike will go quicker or faster, which of course makes no sense at all. ( Just think of boats and drag racing cars, the fastest ones are long and narrow, so instead of “quick” geometry you could call it “slow” or “meandering” geometry…once again, how can geometry be “quick?” ) Oh, I almost forgot about quick steering...why do I always want my steering to be as slow as possible? If you read the reviews of some bicycles they are almost as bereft of meaning as one of those fine wine descriptions...eager, aggressive, responsive, nuanced, what's next, insouciant? “Supple” tires….no comment. There are lots more of these, does anyone know what I am talking about? It’s a holiday… -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Terminological Inexactitude
The words are weird. The one that always gets me is the widespread use of the word bombproof. People like everything on their bike to be bombproof, frame, tires, wheels, etc. I have been riding a long time but have yet to ever run over a bomb. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/6a4nBqvOEHkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Terminological Inexactitude
I forgot about bombproof. This is often used in reference to tents as well, although if I were being bombed I think a tent would be the last place I would go. And I forgot one of my favourites, the laid-back seatpost. It sounds like the hippy of seatposts, relaxed, non-aggressive. Probably quite forgiving too. ( I actually have one of these on my bike, just knowing it is there puts me in a mellower mood. ) :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Terminological Inexactitude
Some the writers for bike mags went to the school where wine descriptions are taught, and have applied the same weird ideas to describing the characteristics of bicycles. Hey, if you're paying the big bucks, shouldn't you get some ecstatic experience? Loving the plush ride of my Atlantis, as it glides over every ripple with nary a bobble... dougP On Feb 20, 10:43 am, David T. davidtren...@yahoo.ca wrote: There seems to be a notion that a bike frame can be “sprightly” or “lively”. On the other hand, a frame can supposedly be “sluggish.” I assume this means that the tubing is more or less flexible. Does flexible tubing make a bike more sprightly? Couldn’t you just as well call it “floppy” or “saggy?” Can a bike even be sprightly, after all it just sits there unless someone gets on it and pedals. Does flexible tubing even make a bicycle faster, or more efficient to pedal? If it does then why do the sprinters use bikes that are as stiff as possible? There are words used to describe bicycles that are starting to lose their meaning. “Comfy” gets used a lot, to describe handlebars, tires, handlebar tape, saddles; even whole bikes probably. I think it has come to mean upholstered or padded in some way, but that isn’t always the most comfortable. For example I find a single wrap of cloth tape with a single coat of shellac to be the easiest on my hands…but that wouldn’t be “comfy” would it? It brings to mind the dreaded “comfort bike” which is maybe comfortable to sit on inside the bike shop, but not to ride from point A to point B if point A and point B are more than about half a mile apart. “Relaxed Geometry”: This has some basis in reality, but can a geometry really be relaxed? If you push it too far, it isn’t relaxing. ( I actually like how it gets expanded as “slack” geometry, “forgiving”…or is that “forgiving” steel tubing? It bet it’s not too forgiving if someone get whacked on the forehead with it. Would you be forgiven for that?) You could turn it around and call it “acute angle” or “sharp angle” geometry, but that doesn’t sound very relaxing. Plus for someone riding a time trial bike, they may be more relaxed with a more “open” geometry ( i.e. a steeper seat tube angle. ) I guess the ultimate “relaxed” geometry is the recumbent bike, which indeed is a relaxed position, until the first time you try to ride up a hill and you immediately want to go back to your more uptight upright bike. “Quick” geometry, which tends to be another way of saying a short chainstay. This makes the bike turn quicker, but it tends to get muddled with thinking that the bike will go quicker or faster, which of course makes no sense at all. ( Just think of boats and drag racing cars, the fastest ones are long and narrow, so instead of “quick” geometry you could call it “slow” or “meandering” geometry…once again, how can geometry be “quick?” ) Oh, I almost forgot about quick steering...why do I always want my steering to be as slow as possible? If you read the reviews of some bicycles they are almost as bereft of meaning as one of those fine wine descriptions...eager, aggressive, responsive, nuanced, what's next, insouciant? “Supple” tires….no comment. There are lots more of these, does anyone know what I am talking about? It’s a holiday… -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Terminological Inexactitude
...it's fruity with hints of soil, tobacco and saddle leather! On Feb 20, 8:11 pm, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Some the writers for bike mags went to the school where wine descriptions are taught, and have applied the same weird ideas to describing the characteristics of bicycles. Hey, if you're paying the big bucks, shouldn't you get some ecstatic experience? Loving the plush ride of my Atlantis, as it glides over every ripple with nary a bobble... dougP On Feb 20, 10:43 am, David T. davidtren...@yahoo.ca wrote: There seems to be a notion that a bike frame can be “sprightly” or “lively”. On the other hand, a frame can supposedly be “sluggish.” I assume this means that the tubing is more or less flexible. Does flexible tubing make a bike more sprightly? Couldn’t you just as well call it “floppy” or “saggy?” Can a bike even be sprightly, after all it just sits there unless someone gets on it and pedals. Does flexible tubing even make a bicycle faster, or more efficient to pedal? If it does then why do the sprinters use bikes that are as stiff as possible? There are words used to describe bicycles that are starting to lose their meaning. “Comfy” gets used a lot, to describe handlebars, tires, handlebar tape, saddles; even whole bikes probably. I think it has come to mean upholstered or padded in some way, but that isn’t always the most comfortable. For example I find a single wrap of cloth tape with a single coat of shellac to be the easiest on my hands…but that wouldn’t be “comfy” would it? It brings to mind the dreaded “comfort bike” which is maybe comfortable to sit on inside the bike shop, but not to ride from point A to point B if point A and point B are more than about half a mile apart. “Relaxed Geometry”: This has some basis in reality, but can a geometry really be relaxed? If you push it too far, it isn’t relaxing. ( I actually like how it gets expanded as “slack” geometry, “forgiving”…or is that “forgiving” steel tubing? It bet it’s not too forgiving if someone get whacked on the forehead with it. Would you be forgiven for that?) You could turn it around and call it “acute angle” or “sharp angle” geometry, but that doesn’t sound very relaxing. Plus for someone riding a time trial bike, they may be more relaxed with a more “open” geometry ( i.e. a steeper seat tube angle. ) I guess the ultimate “relaxed” geometry is the recumbent bike, which indeed is a relaxed position, until the first time you try to ride up a hill and you immediately want to go back to your more uptight upright bike. “Quick” geometry, which tends to be another way of saying a short chainstay. This makes the bike turn quicker, but it tends to get muddled with thinking that the bike will go quicker or faster, which of course makes no sense at all. ( Just think of boats and drag racing cars, the fastest ones are long and narrow, so instead of “quick” geometry you could call it “slow” or “meandering” geometry…once again, how can geometry be “quick?” ) Oh, I almost forgot about quick steering...why do I always want my steering to be as slow as possible? If you read the reviews of some bicycles they are almost as bereft of meaning as one of those fine wine descriptions...eager, aggressive, responsive, nuanced, what's next, insouciant? “Supple” tires….no comment. There are lots more of these, does anyone know what I am talking about? It’s a holiday…- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
