[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:11 AM, newenglandbike wrote: > > Great article! > > An interesting aside: many modern 'misused' words are actually more > in-line with the 'correct' word's etymology/meaning than an irritated > "grammar guardian" would probably be willing to concede: > > Regarding your example of 'break' for 'brake': > > http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=brake > > > I like that. But if you're in a peloton and you break, it has a vastly different meaning than if you brake. My favorite malapropisms are riding a "rode bike" and putting up items "for sell." When I peddled my rode bike, it was for sell. :-) Horace. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Great article! An interesting aside: many modern 'misused' words are actually more in-line with the 'correct' word's etymology/meaning than an irritated grammar guardian would probably be willing to concede: Regarding your example of 'break' for 'brake': http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=brake On Oct 9, 11:00 am, Jason Hartman wrote: > Like Steve Palincsar said, it comes down to semantics. > This whole thread has come across a lot snarkier than I have meant it to, > but certain things just make me cringe. > Like when people write breaks when they mean brakes. > Or peddle when they mean pedal. > Or Peterson when they mean Petersen. > > This article made me laugh at myself > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04FOB-onlanguage-t.html > > Jay > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, newenglandbike > wrote: > > > > > Hey, I didn't make up the term "lugged crown fork" or anything; I've > > just seen/heard it so many times, can't remember not knowing what it > > was. > > > On Oct 9, 10:17 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 10:05 -0400, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, newenglandbike > > > > wrote: > > > > > You've never seen a lugged crown fork? Are you new to > > > > bicycling? > > > > > If you look here: > > > > >http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html > > > > I looked there and round his "Custom Series Fork Crown" > >http://www.henryjames.com/gifolder/crown.gif > > > > It's called a crown, not a lug. > > > > > and here: > > > > >http://www.ceeway.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/Cast%20Fork%20Crowns..htm > > > > Yes, there's an entire page of them. > > > > > you will not find a lugged crown or lugged fork or even a lugged fork > > > > crown. > > > > Semantic difficulties, I'm afraid. Every single one of those fork > > > crowns could be construed as a "lugged fork". The alternative to a > > > crown is a "unicrown" design that is nothing more than two fork blades > > > with bent ends that attach directly to the steerer, eliminating a > > > separate crown. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Great article! An interesting aside: many modern 'misused' words are actually more in-line with the 'correct' word's etymology/meaning than an irritated "grammar guardian" would probably be willing to concede: Regarding your example of 'break' for 'brake': http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=brake On Oct 9, 11:00 am, Jason Hartman wrote: > Like Steve Palincsar said, it comes down to semantics. > This whole thread has come across a lot snarkier than I have meant it to, > but certain things just make me cringe. > Like when people write breaks when they mean brakes. > Or peddle when they mean pedal. > Or Peterson when they mean Petersen. > > This article made me laugh at myself > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04FOB-onlanguage-t.html > > Jay > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, newenglandbike > wrote: > > > > > Hey, I didn't make up the term "lugged crown fork" or anything; I've > > just seen/heard it so many times, can't remember not knowing what it > > was. > > > On Oct 9, 10:17 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 10:05 -0400, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, newenglandbike > > > > wrote: > > > > > You've never seen a lugged crown fork? Are you new to > > > > bicycling? > > > > > If you look here: > > > > >http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html > > > > I looked there and round his "Custom Series Fork Crown" > >http://www.henryjames.com/gifolder/crown.gif > > > > It's called a crown, not a lug. > > > > > and here: > > > > >http://www.ceeway.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/Cast%20Fork%20Crowns..htm > > > > Yes, there's an entire page of them. > > > > > you will not find a lugged crown or lugged fork or even a lugged fork > > > > crown. > > > > Semantic difficulties, I'm afraid. Every single one of those fork > > > crowns could be construed as a "lugged fork". The alternative to a > > > crown is a "unicrown" design that is nothing more than two fork blades > > > with bent ends that attach directly to the steerer, eliminating a > > > separate crown. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Like Steve Palincsar said, it comes down to semantics. This whole thread has come across a lot snarkier than I have meant it to, but certain things just make me cringe. Like when people write breaks when they mean brakes. Or peddle when they mean pedal. Or Peterson when they mean Petersen. This article made me laugh at myself http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/magazine/04FOB-onlanguage-t.html Jay On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, newenglandbike wrote: > > Hey, I didn't make up the term "lugged crown fork" or anything; I've > just seen/heard it so many times, can't remember not knowing what it > was. > > > On Oct 9, 10:17 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 10:05 -0400, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, newenglandbike > > > wrote: > > > > > You've never seen a lugged crown fork?Are you new to > > > bicycling? > > > > > If you look here: > > > > >http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html > > > > I looked there and round his "Custom Series Fork Crown" > http://www.henryjames.com/gifolder/crown.gif > > > > It's called a crown, not a lug. > > > > > > > > > and here: > > > > >http://www.ceeway.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/Cast%20Fork%20Crowns..htm > > > > Yes, there's an entire page of them. > > > > > you will not find a lugged crown or lugged fork or even a lugged fork > > > crown. > > > > Semantic difficulties, I'm afraid. Every single one of those fork > > crowns could be construed as a "lugged fork". The alternative to a > > crown is a "unicrown" design that is nothing more than two fork blades > > with bent ends that attach directly to the steerer, eliminating a > > separate crown. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Not sure if we're straining at gnats here, but the 1st link below (Henry James) does indeed have a picture of a lugged fork crown (as opposed to a welded or uni style crown) about 1/2 way down the page. I have a Richard Sachs lugged fork crown so I know he makes them too, and so on. Did you mean something else Jason? From: Jason Hartman To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 9:05:42 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, newenglandbike wrote: >>You've never seen a lugged crown fork?Are you new to bicycling? > > If you look here: http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Hey, I didn't make up the term "lugged crown fork" or anything; I've just seen/heard it so many times, can't remember not knowing what it was. I can't imagine I'm the only one- in fact I know I'm not, considering the poster toward whom your reply was directed. I agree: semantics-never a good thing to quibble about perhaps! :) On Oct 9, 10:17 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 10:05 -0400, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, newenglandbike > > wrote: > > > You've never seen a lugged crown fork? Are you new to > > bicycling? > > > If you look here: > > >http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html > > I looked there and round his "Custom Series Fork > Crown"http://www.henryjames.com/gifolder/crown.gif > > It's called a crown, not a lug. > > > > > and here: > > >http://www.ceeway.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/Cast%20Fork%20Crowns..htm > > Yes, there's an entire page of them. > > > you will not find a lugged crown or lugged fork or even a lugged fork > > crown. > > Semantic difficulties, I'm afraid. Every single one of those fork > crowns could be construed as a "lugged fork". The alternative to a > crown is a "unicrown" design that is nothing more than two fork blades > with bent ends that attach directly to the steerer, eliminating a > separate crown. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Hey, I didn't make up the term "lugged crown fork" or anything; I've just seen/heard it so many times, can't remember not knowing what it was. I can't imagine I'm the only one- in fact I know I'm not, considering the original poster toward whom your laconic reply was directed. On Oct 9, 10:17 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 10:05 -0400, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, newenglandbike > > wrote: > > > You've never seen a lugged crown fork? Are you new to > > bicycling? > > > If you look here: > > >http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html > > I looked there and round his "Custom Series Fork > Crown"http://www.henryjames.com/gifolder/crown.gif > > It's called a crown, not a lug. > > > > > and here: > > >http://www.ceeway.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/Cast%20Fork%20Crowns..htm > > Yes, there's an entire page of them. > > > you will not find a lugged crown or lugged fork or even a lugged fork > > crown. > > Semantic difficulties, I'm afraid. Every single one of those fork > crowns could be construed as a "lugged fork". The alternative to a > crown is a "unicrown" design that is nothing more than two fork blades > with bent ends that attach directly to the steerer, eliminating a > separate crown. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Hey, I didn't make up the term "lugged crown fork" or anything; I've just seen/heard it so many times, can't remember not knowing what it was. On Oct 9, 10:17 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 10:05 -0400, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, newenglandbike > > wrote: > > > You've never seen a lugged crown fork? Are you new to > > bicycling? > > > If you look here: > > >http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html > > I looked there and round his "Custom Series Fork > Crown"http://www.henryjames.com/gifolder/crown.gif > > It's called a crown, not a lug. > > > > > and here: > > >http://www.ceeway.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/Cast%20Fork%20Crowns..htm > > Yes, there's an entire page of them. > > > you will not find a lugged crown or lugged fork or even a lugged fork > > crown. > > Semantic difficulties, I'm afraid. Every single one of those fork > crowns could be construed as a "lugged fork". The alternative to a > crown is a "unicrown" design that is nothing more than two fork blades > with bent ends that attach directly to the steerer, eliminating a > separate crown. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 10:05 -0400, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, newenglandbike > wrote: > > You've never seen a lugged crown fork?Are you new to > bicycling? > > If you look here: > > http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html I looked there and round his "Custom Series Fork Crown" http://www.henryjames.com/gifolder/crown.gif It's called a crown, not a lug. > > and here: > > http://www.ceeway.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/Cast%20Fork%20Crowns..htm Yes, there's an entire page of them. > you will not find a lugged crown or lugged fork or even a lugged fork > crown. Semantic difficulties, I'm afraid. Every single one of those fork crowns could be construed as a "lugged fork". The alternative to a crown is a "unicrown" design that is nothing more than two fork blades with bent ends that attach directly to the steerer, eliminating a separate crown. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, newenglandbike wrote: > > You've never seen a lugged crown fork?Are you new to bicycling? > > If you look here: http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html and here: http://www.ceeway.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/Cast%20Fork%20Crowns.htm and here: http://www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle-frame-tubing/FORK-CROWNS/ and here: http://www.bikelugs.com/store/index.php?intCategoryID=8 and here: http://www.richardsachs.com/rsachstoys.html you will not find a lugged crown or lugged fork or even a lugged fork crown. And no I am not new to cycling. I bought my first serious bike in1983 and it had both a lugged frame and a fork with a crown. J --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
You've never seen a lugged crown fork?Are you new to bicycling? On Sep 30, 9:17 am, Jason Hartman wrote: > Rene > > I'm not sure what you are asking. > I have never seen a fork with a lug. > > I am referring to the head lugs. > The top one has points that curve around to the front > and a window in the point. > The bottom lug has neither. > > Jay > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Rene Valbuena wrote: > > > Hi Jay, > > > Are you referring to the lugs used on the fork or on the head tube? > > > Rene > > > *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Hartman > > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:24 PM > > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* [RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne > > > I never really gave these frames a close look before. > > The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? > > If you are going to go through all the trouble involved > > with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least > > you could do is specify lugs that match. > > > Jay Hartman > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles < > > renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took > > some side-by-side photos: > > >http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21 > > > Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell > > sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the > > Orange. > > > My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my > > personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". > > > Cheers, > > > Bryan > > > [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the > > frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, > > and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Orange. If you had asked me before I saw it I would have said Green for sure but the Orange is so damn gorgeous, especially Adam's shots on Ecovelo On Oct 1, 9:51 am, Steve Park wrote: > Orange. The green is very nice, but the orange is perfect. > > Rivendell does orange better than any other I've seen, no question. > It's one of those colors that is easy to get wrong but amazing when > it's right. The Hilborne orange reminds me of the old Rambouillet > orange...are they exactly the same colors or not? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Orange. The green is very nice, but the orange is perfect. Rivendell does orange better than any other I've seen, no question. It's one of those colors that is easy to get wrong but amazing when it's right. The Hilborne orange reminds me of the old Rambouillet orange...are they exactly the same colors or not? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > on 9/30/09 11:07 AM, Jason Hartman at rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:28 PM, CycloFiend > wrote: > > > on 9/30/09 6:17 AM, Jason Hartman at rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you are asking. > > I have never seen a fork with a lug. > > Bridgestone MB's had fork tip lugs - > http://tinyurl.com/forklug > > Those are socket style dropouts- > > http://www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle-frame-tubing/DROPOUT-FRONT-SOCKET-STYLE.html > > > Aren't lugs "socket style tubing connectors", strictly speaking? > > Strictly speaking they most certainly are. My guess is that if called a bunch of framebuilders and asked them "Can you build me a fork with lugs?" they would not know what you were talking about. Jay --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Hi Jay, Just to correct my original reply to you, I was referring to the fork crowns. The two samples of Sam Hillborne by Brian of Renaissance bike, show two different fork crowns used. The one on the orange is I think the fancier one used on AHH. While on the green is the same on my Bleriot. I think you have a point in the "unmatched" head lugs used on both the green and orange Sam samples. Lugs, including fork crowns, should carry a design theme all throughout the bike from the head tube, seat cluster, and sometimes also on the bottom bracket shell. Even the used- to-be-less-fancy and 'cheapest' Bleriot has 'matched' lugs that carry a design theme. Rene On Sep 30, 6:17 am, Jason Hartman wrote: > Rene > > I'm not sure what you are asking. > I have never seen a fork with a lug. > > I am referring to the head lugs. > The top one has points that curve around to the front > and a window in the point. > The bottom lug has neither. > > Jay > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Rene Valbuena wrote: > > > Hi Jay, > > > Are you referring to the lugs used on the fork or on the head tube? > > > Rene > > > *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Hartman > > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:24 PM > > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* [RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne > > > I never really gave these frames a close look before. > > The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? > > If you are going to go through all the trouble involved > > with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least > > you could do is specify lugs that match. > > > Jay Hartman > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles < > > renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took > > some side-by-side photos: > > >http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21 > > > Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell > > sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the > > Orange. > > > My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my > > personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". > > > Cheers, > > > Bryan > > > [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the > > frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, > > and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
on 9/30/09 11:07 AM, Jason Hartman at rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:28 PM, CycloFiend wrote: on 9/30/09 6:17 AM, Jason Hartman at rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm not sure what you are asking. > I have never seen a fork with a lug. Bridgestone MB's had fork tip lugs - http://tinyurl.com/forklug Those are socket style dropouts- http://www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle-frame-tubing/DROPOUT-FRONT-SOCKET-STYLE. html Aren't lugs "socket style tubing connectors", strictly speaking? ;^) -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "Steel's what you want for a messenger bike. Weight. Big basket up front. Not cardboard with some crazy aramid shit wrapped around it, weighs about as much as a sandwich." -- William Gibson, "Virtual Light" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:28 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > > on 9/30/09 6:17 AM, Jason Hartman at rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you are asking. > > I have never seen a fork with a lug. > > Bridgestone MB's had fork tip lugs - > http://tinyurl.com/forklug > > Those are socket style dropouts- http://www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle-frame-tubing/DROPOUT-FRONT-SOCKET-STYLE.html They are by some bike makers as a stylistic choice and by others as a labor saving device. Jay --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
on 9/30/09 10:28 AM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: > Strictly speaking, the headtube lugs on the Hilsen don't "match" either. > Lve the asymmetry of that design choice. oop - http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/3711187913/ -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes "You must be the change you want to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
on 9/30/09 6:17 AM, Jason Hartman at rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm not sure what you are asking. > I have never seen a fork with a lug. Bridgestone MB's had fork tip lugs - http://tinyurl.com/forklug > I am referring to the head lugs. > The top one has points that curve around to the front > and a window in the point. > The bottom lug has neither. Well, as any designer will tell you, something doesn't have to "match" to "go" with something else... ;^) Strictly speaking, the headtube lugs on the Hilsen don't "match" either. Lve the asymmetry of that design choice. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net ³Velvet pillows, safari parks, sunglasses: people have become woolly mice. They still have bodies that can walk for five days and four nights through a desert of snow, without food, but they accept praise for having taken a one-hour bicycle ride.² - Tim Krabbe, "The Rider" Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
That's easy: The green frame is better, but the orange complete bike is better. I agree that the lugs are different, at least compared to other Riv's I have seen. Most either have two pointy lugs (the saluki and Legolas come to mind) or two rounded lugs (bleriot, atlantis (not all), and rambo). It does look like they are mismatched, not in a stripes and plaid kinda way, but in a "hey, they're different" kinda way. I think they look good together. I wonder if this was for looks, cost, geometry, etc? Cheers! cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Rene I'm not sure what you are asking. I have never seen a fork with a lug. I am referring to the head lugs. The top one has points that curve around to the front and a window in the point. The bottom lug has neither. Jay On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Rene Valbuena wrote: > Hi Jay, > > > > Are you referring to the lugs used on the fork or on the head tube? > > > > Rene > > > > *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Hartman > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:24 PM > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne > > > > I never really gave these frames a close look before. > The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? > If you are going to go through all the trouble involved > with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least > you could do is specify lugs that match. > > Jay Hartman > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles < > renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took > some side-by-side photos: > > http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21 > > Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell > sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the > Orange. > > My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my > personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the > frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, > and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
I'm partial to orange, but you knew that already... :-) http://www.ecovelo.info/images/country-bike-1000.jpg a...@ecovelo On Sep 29, 4:15 pm, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles" wrote: > We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took > some side-by-side photos: > > http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21 > > Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell > sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the > Orange. > > My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my > personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the > frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, > and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
I wish I had a reason to go to Walnut Creek to see and ride one in the flesh. (I'm having a hard time getting past the funkay geometry.) Each color is somehow nifty in its own way. On Sep 29, 9:12 pm, David Estes wrote: > The fork crown is different, but the lugs look the same to me. > > DE > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > > > I never really gave these frames a close look before. > > The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? > > If you are going to go through all the trouble involved > > with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least > > you could do is specify lugs that match. > > > Jay Hartman > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles < > > renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took > >> some side-by-side photos: > > >>http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21 > > >> Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell > >> sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the > >> Orange. > > >> My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my > >> personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". > > >> Cheers, > > >> Bryan > > >> [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the > >> frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, > >> and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something > wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, > scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
The fork crown is different, but the lugs look the same to me. DE On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jason Hartman wrote: > I never really gave these frames a close look before. > The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? > If you are going to go through all the trouble involved > with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least > you could do is specify lugs that match. > > Jay Hartman > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles < > renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took >> some side-by-side photos: >> >> http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21 >> >> Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell >> sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the >> Orange. >> >> My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my >> personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bryan >> >> [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the >> frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, >> and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] >> >> > > > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
I had not noticed it before either. Have a green one. But the orange is nice. A good "dreamcycle" color combo with the cream details. Rivendell does a good job of picking shades of orange that don't offend. Usually it's a color I dislike. However, the Hillborne (and the previous Quickbeam) are pleasing. Still glad mine is a green one. Just like it more. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 29, 7:23�pm, Jason Hartman wrote: > I never really gave these frames a close look before. > The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? > If you are going to go through all the trouble involved > with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least > you could do is specify lugs that match. > > Jay Hartman > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles < > > > > renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took > > some side-by-side photos: > > >http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21 > > > Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell > > sold out of a few sizes. �But lately, our customers are after the > > Orange. > > > My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my > > personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". > > > Cheers, > > > Bryan > > > [Disclaimer: �As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the > > frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, > > and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.]- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Hi Jay, Are you referring to the lugs used on the fork or on the head tube? Rene From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hartman Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:24 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne I never really gave these frames a close look before. The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? If you are going to go through all the trouble involved with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least you could do is specify lugs that match. Jay Hartman On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles wrote: We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took some side-by-side photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7 <http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21> &gallery=21 Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the Orange. My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". Cheers, Bryan [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
This reminds me of the Irish Rovers song whose chorus went: "This is the greatest mix-up, I think you'll ever see. My father, he was orange, And my mother, she was green." Thanks Bryan. Great photos. Great contrast. -Original Message- >From: "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles" >Sent: Sep 29, 2009 7:15 PM >To: RBW Owners Bunch >Subject: [RBW] The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne > > >We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took >some side-by-side photos: > >http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21 > >Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell >sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the >Orange. > >My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my >personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". > >Cheers, > >Bryan > >[Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the >frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, >and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
I never really gave these frames a close look before. The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? If you are going to go through all the trouble involved with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least you could do is specify lugs that match. Jay Hartman On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles < renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took > some side-by-side photos: > > http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21 > > Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell > sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the > Orange. > > My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my > personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the > frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, > and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Both look really good. They picked a great shade of green for the SH! But I prefer the orange. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Definitely orange! It's my favorite color but I'm currently without an orange bike. Ryan On Sep 29, 2009, at 17:15, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles" wrote: > > We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took > some side-by-side photos: > > http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=21 > > Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell > sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the > Orange. > > My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my > personal color palette my wife calls "Earth Monotone". > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the > frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, > and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
