Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[Sam Perez]

Awesome thanks , it's a drop bar bike I've been toying with the idea of
changing it up.i have the Billie bar on another bike and thought it was
somewhere in between.

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 11:17 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I'm assuming the OP is talking about swapping Albastache bars onto a bike
> they already have.  Is that right?  Let's see the bike!
>
> James at Analog is pointing out that for a lot of riders, changing the bar
> AND stem works out well more often in his experience.  I will concur that
> the current crop of flared drops are amazing, provided you get them to the
> right height.
>
> In my experience with Albastache bars, they are awesome, but from a fit
> perspective I consider them pretty much the same as drop bars.  I have a
> set and run them sometimes on a road bike where I could just as easily run
> drops.  I agree with James that the appeal is a look.  For me, the
> important distinction is that I don't think of Albastache bars as a fix for
> drop bars.  If you have a drop bar bike and you hate riding it because you
> feel 'hunched over' or 'stretched out', then switching the drop bars for
> Albastache won't necessarily fix your problems.  If you have a drop bar
> bike that you love riding and fits you perfect but you want to try a
> different bend, Albastache will likely work and you might prefer the
> cockpit setup, and you might prefer the looks.
>
> Those are my thoughts/opinions
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:49:50 AM UTC-7 James / Analog Cycles
> wrote:
>
>> This runs contrary to most opinions here, but I've fit and then removed a
>> number of mustache and albastache bars over the years.  To clarify: I
>> warned riders about the limits, but they were enticed by the looks.
>> Limited hand positions, awkward wrist angle.  A dirt drop bar, up high, has
>> a better wrist angle when riding in the hoods and in the drops.  With the
>> current crop of 46- 52cm dirt drop bars out there, I think it's a more
>> ergonomic, functional way to go.
>>
>> -James / Analog Cycles
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 4:19:27 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and
>>> components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the
>>> albatross?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[Sam Perez]

Thanks everybody, I think I'll stick to drops for now. I have wrist issues
and typically run shorter stems fir my t Rex arms.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 2:51 PM Sam Perez  wrote:

> Awesome thanks , it's a drop bar bike I've been toying with the idea of
> changing it up.i have the Billie bar on another bike and thought it was
> somewhere in between.
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 11:17 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming the OP is talking about swapping Albastache bars onto a bike
>> they already have.  Is that right?  Let's see the bike!
>>
>> James at Analog is pointing out that for a lot of riders, changing the
>> bar AND stem works out well more often in his experience.  I will concur
>> that the current crop of flared drops are amazing, provided you get them to
>> the right height.
>>
>> In my experience with Albastache bars, they are awesome, but from a fit
>> perspective I consider them pretty much the same as drop bars.  I have a
>> set and run them sometimes on a road bike where I could just as easily run
>> drops.  I agree with James that the appeal is a look.  For me, the
>> important distinction is that I don't think of Albastache bars as a fix for
>> drop bars.  If you have a drop bar bike and you hate riding it because you
>> feel 'hunched over' or 'stretched out', then switching the drop bars for
>> Albastache won't necessarily fix your problems.  If you have a drop bar
>> bike that you love riding and fits you perfect but you want to try a
>> different bend, Albastache will likely work and you might prefer the
>> cockpit setup, and you might prefer the looks.
>>
>> Those are my thoughts/opinions
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:49:50 AM UTC-7 James / Analog Cycles
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This runs contrary to most opinions here, but I've fit and then removed
>>> a number of mustache and albastache bars over the years.  To clarify: I
>>> warned riders about the limits, but they were enticed by the looks.
>>> Limited hand positions, awkward wrist angle.  A dirt drop bar, up high, has
>>> a better wrist angle when riding in the hoods and in the drops.  With the
>>> current crop of 46- 52cm dirt drop bars out there, I think it's a more
>>> ergonomic, functional way to go.
>>>
>>> -James / Analog Cycles
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 4:19:27 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:

 Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and
 components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the
 albatross?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[Jason Fuller]

I agree with James.  The shape is not the problem, though you may need a 
surprisingly short stem to make them feel right.  The problem is drop 
levers at ~90 degrees from their design intent. The levers cannot be angled 
downwards from horizontal by any meaningful amount, and I like my levers 
angled down at least 45 degrees. Also, while they theoretically have a few 
hand positions, they simply aren't as practical as the different hand 
positions of other alt bars, or drops for that matter. I want to love them, 
and I've tried, but I can't. 

On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 14:58:26 UTC-7 tuolumne bikes wrote:

> I put them on my road bike after rejecting drops one last time. I very 
> rarely ride the hoods, occasionally use the swept position to relax, mostly 
> vary position along the hooks to change the angle of my wrists. I don't use 
> bar ends. See https://www.instagram.com/p/CBO2uXtsqt9/
>
> I very much agree with Patrick. They are comfortable but not so good for 
> any kind of technical descent where you need your weight back but the 
> levers are way out front. I don't think they look any better or worse than 
> drops, just different.
>
> I agree with Bill that you wouldn't necessarily use the same stem as 
> drops. If you're already set up with drops, lay the Albastache on top of 
> the drops with the front of the hooks lined up with the comfortable grip 
> spot on the hoods (plus or minus). Then measure the difference in extension 
> you'll need for the stem.
>
> Carl
>
> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 1:11:05 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Another note I'll add because I was being nice in my first one and just 
>> answered the question without an opinion: Me no likey! Moustache and 
>> Albastache looked great but gave me all the agonies, even before my basal 
>> thumb arthritis made the situation even worse. If you like 'em well God 
>> bless ya, kids. I'm not that guy! ✋
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[tuolumne bikes]

I put them on my road bike after rejecting drops one last time. I very 
rarely ride the hoods, occasionally use the swept position to relax, mostly 
vary position along the hooks to change the angle of my wrists. I don't use 
bar ends. See https://www.instagram.com/p/CBO2uXtsqt9/

I very much agree with Patrick. They are comfortable but not so good for 
any kind of technical descent where you need your weight back but the 
levers are way out front. I don't think they look any better or worse than 
drops, just different.

I agree with Bill that you wouldn't necessarily use the same stem as drops. 
If you're already set up with drops, lay the Albastache on top of the drops 
with the front of the hooks lined up with the comfortable grip spot on the 
hoods (plus or minus). Then measure the difference in extension you'll need 
for the stem.

Carl

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 1:11:05 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Another note I'll add because I was being nice in my first one and just 
> answered the question without an opinion: Me no likey! Moustache and 
> Albastache looked great but gave me all the agonies, even before my basal 
> thumb arthritis made the situation even worse. If you like 'em well God 
> bless ya, kids. I'm not that guy! ✋

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[Joe Bernard]

Another note I'll add because I was being nice in my first one and just 
answered the question without an opinion: Me no likey! Moustache and Albastache 
looked great but gave me all the agonies, even before my basal thumb arthritis 
made the situation even worse. If you like 'em well God bless ya, kids. I'm not 
that guy! ✋

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm assuming the OP is talking about swapping Albastache bars onto a bike 
they already have.  Is that right?  Let's see the bike!

James at Analog is pointing out that for a lot of riders, changing the bar 
AND stem works out well more often in his experience.  I will concur that 
the current crop of flared drops are amazing, provided you get them to the 
right height.  

In my experience with Albastache bars, they are awesome, but from a fit 
perspective I consider them pretty much the same as drop bars.  I have a 
set and run them sometimes on a road bike where I could just as easily run 
drops.  I agree with James that the appeal is a look.  For me, the 
important distinction is that I don't think of Albastache bars as a fix for 
drop bars.  If you have a drop bar bike and you hate riding it because you 
feel 'hunched over' or 'stretched out', then switching the drop bars for 
Albastache won't necessarily fix your problems.  If you have a drop bar 
bike that you love riding and fits you perfect but you want to try a 
different bend, Albastache will likely work and you might prefer the 
cockpit setup, and you might prefer the looks.  

Those are my thoughts/opinions

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:49:50 AM UTC-7 James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:

> This runs contrary to most opinions here, but I've fit and then removed a 
> number of mustache and albastache bars over the years.  To clarify: I 
> warned riders about the limits, but they were enticed by the looks.  
> Limited hand positions, awkward wrist angle.  A dirt drop bar, up high, has 
> a better wrist angle when riding in the hoods and in the drops.  With the 
> current crop of 46- 52cm dirt drop bars out there, I think it's a more 
> ergonomic, functional way to go.  
>
> -James / Analog Cycles
>
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 4:19:27 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and 
>> components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the 
>> albatross?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[James / Analog Cycles]

This runs contrary to most opinions here, but I've fit and then removed a 
number of mustache and albastache bars over the years.  To clarify: I 
warned riders about the limits, but they were enticed by the looks.  
Limited hand positions, awkward wrist angle.  A dirt drop bar, up high, has 
a better wrist angle when riding in the hoods and in the drops.  With the 
current crop of 46- 52cm dirt drop bars out there, I think it's a more 
ergonomic, functional way to go.  

-James / Analog Cycles

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 4:19:27 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and 
> components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the 
> albatross?

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[Rob H.]

I currently have albastache with 10cm dirtdrop stem on my soma san marcos 
and really like it. It took me awhile to get used to the weird aesthetic 
of  dirtdrop stem but having the albastache bars up that high really does 
maximize comfort and the variety of hand positions. The rear grip area 
(near my bar end shifters) is very similar to using albaTROSS bars, and the 
forward area  offers 2 different positions: in the loops which is similar 
to a straight bar, and on the hoods which is also pretty comfy. Adding 
stoker levers or Dia Compe knob grips near the stem can supposedly offer a 
4th hand position but I haven't tried that

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 8:40:37 AM UTC-7 beachb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Had them on my commuter for a couple years and loved them. Had them on a 
> shorter stem & about even with the seat height. Much more like a drop bar 
> than albatross. I’ve switched them out for noodles which I now like better. 
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 4:51:26 PM UTC-4 richard...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think they are great bars. Pair well with single speed riding. Have 
>> them on my simple one and love them there because I am regularly moving my 
>> hands around to chug up hills. Offer lots of good hand positions if you are 
>> the type who likes to fidget. Get them up high and close as recomended, 
>> dirtdrop stem or similar to your looks liking a great choice. Lots of fun. 
>> If you are just going to be sitting and grinding away with your hands in a 
>> single position maybe not the best choice but everyone is different...my 
>> recomendation is they are best on a playful shorter distance ride kinda 
>> bike. A la single speed, city / shortish commute, dirt road rambler...
>
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[beachb...@gmail.com]

Had them on my commuter for a couple years and loved them. Had them on a 
shorter stem & about even with the seat height. Much more like a drop bar 
than albatross. I’ve switched them out for noodles which I now like better. 

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 4:51:26 PM UTC-4 richard...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think they are great bars. Pair well with single speed riding. Have them 
> on my simple one and love them there because I am regularly moving my hands 
> around to chug up hills. Offer lots of good hand positions if you are the 
> type who likes to fidget. Get them up high and close as recomended, 
> dirtdrop stem or similar to your looks liking a great choice. Lots of fun. 
> If you are just going to be sitting and grinding away with your hands in a 
> single position maybe not the best choice but everyone is different...my 
> recomendation is they are best on a playful shorter distance ride kinda 
> bike. A la single speed, city / shortish commute, dirt road rambler...

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I found them brilliant bars for everything I ride except technical single 
track descents, where it put me too far forward/low in braking position. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 2:19:27 PM UTC-6, Sam Perez wrote:
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and 
> components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the 
> albatross?

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I haven't tried the Albastache, but here is a useful website for comparing 
handlebars:

https://whatbars.com/

John

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:

> Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and 
> components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the 
> albatross?

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