[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
As long as you can thread some 8-speed chain through the rear derailer pulleys without scraping the sides of the cage, I don't see a problem using it. I don't recommend changing the front, though. My experience with 9-speed derailers and 8-speed chains is that a lot of trimming is involved because of the narrow front cage. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:17:13 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote: > I was wondering if anybody is using modern 10 speed derailers with > friction shifting? I have some Ultegra 6700 derailers and was thinking > about replacing the aging LX long cage rear on my Sam Hillborne with it. I > may replace the Sugino crank and install the Ultegra crank too but don't > really know about that yet, I'm more interested in using the derailers. I > am using Phil Rivy hubs with a 7 speed freewheel in the rear, Sram 8 speed > chain and shifting using Silver bar end shifters. Any issues with using 10 > speed derailers with 8 speed chain or 7 speed freewheel that you can think > of? (the LX was always a bit too long in the cage area and the gearing I am > using I can get away with a medium cage like the Ultegra I have so I don't > see that as too much of an issue.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Uo_N_Hz3VasJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
Bike aesthetics are not that high on my list of priorities but that Ultegra crank is damn ugly, even to me. Use the derailers but stick with the Sugino, IMHO. jim m wc ca On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:17:13 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote: > > I was wondering if anybody is using modern 10 speed derailers with > friction shifting? I have some Ultegra 6700 derailers and was thinking > about replacing the aging LX long cage rear on my Sam Hillborne with it. I > may replace the Sugino crank and install the Ultegra crank too but don't > really know about that yet, I'm more interested in using the derailers. I > am using Phil Rivy hubs with a 7 speed freewheel in the rear, Sram 8 speed > chain and shifting using Silver bar end shifters. Any issues with using 10 > speed derailers with 8 speed chain or 7 speed freewheel that you can think > of? (the LX was always a bit too long in the cage area and the gearing I am > using I can get away with a medium cage like the Ultegra I have so I don't > see that as too much of an issue.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BD-S42qamRoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
Yeah, it's pretty ugly. Frankly, all the recent Shimano cranks are ugly as sin. I will probably just stick with the Sugino. Thanks for the suggestions from everybody, seems like it may be a good idea to change the chain to a 10 speed too (which I have on hand anyway). On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:57:35 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote: > Bike aesthetics are not that high on my list of priorities but that > Ultegra crank is damn ugly, even to me. Use the derailers but stick with > the Sugino, IMHO. > > jim m > wc ca > > On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:17:13 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote: >> >> I was wondering if anybody is using modern 10 speed derailers with >> friction shifting? I have some Ultegra 6700 derailers and was thinking >> about replacing the aging LX long cage rear on my Sam Hillborne with it. I >> may replace the Sugino crank and install the Ultegra crank too but don't >> really know about that yet, I'm more interested in using the derailers. I >> am using Phil Rivy hubs with a 7 speed freewheel in the rear, Sram 8 speed >> chain and shifting using Silver bar end shifters. Any issues with using 10 >> speed derailers with 8 speed chain or 7 speed freewheel that you can think >> of? (the LX was always a bit too long in the cage area and the gearing I am >> using I can get away with a medium cage like the Ultegra I have so I don't >> see that as too much of an issue.) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/X3vjgAIAjVgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
You'll probably need the Shimano cranks. That 10-speed chain will fall between the rings of your Sugino. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/inoGdjCJcVgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
On my Coho..Sram Red FD and RD w/ 9 speed cassette and Silver dt shifters. No problems. I would probably prefer 7 or 8 sp, but just don't have enough motivation to switch. On Apr 11, 10:10 am, Joe Bernard wrote: > You'll probably need the Shimano cranks. That 10-speed chain will fall > between the rings of your Sugino. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
He'd probably not use a 10-speed chain, since he has a 7-speed freewheel. On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:10:31 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > > You'll probably need the Shimano cranks. That 10-speed chain will fall > between the rings of your Sugino. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hA6dEOTpsc8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
this was actually going to be my next question. Do you think I should just use the 8 speed chain that I have already (take a link out or two) or go with the 10 speed? Will a ten speed chain work with a 7 speed freewheel? I do love the fact that with friction shifting it makes it so much easier to mismatch parts, makes this kind of stuff fun. If I can use an existing part I would rather do that then break out the new chain. On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:26:49 PM UTC-5, William wrote: > He'd probably not use a 10-speed chain, since he has a 7-speed freewheel. > > On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:10:31 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: >> >> You'll probably need the Shimano cranks. That 10-speed chain will fall >> between the rings of your Sugino. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/s6PCo8BmPrUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
So last night I took the drivetrain off the Sam Hillborne and replaced it with the Ultegra stuff. 6700 RD, Crankset, BB and an older Campy FD because the Ultegra is for braze on and I don't currently have a clamp for it. It seems to be working fine with the 7 speed freewheel; I will do a test ride tonight to see if it all works well. The Ultegra crank doesn't look completely horrible, it is the dark grey version and works with the other black components I had on the bike. It contrasts well with the orange frame. On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:17:13 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote: > I was wondering if anybody is using modern 10 speed derailers with > friction shifting? I have some Ultegra 6700 derailers and was thinking > about replacing the aging LX long cage rear on my Sam Hillborne with it. I > may replace the Sugino crank and install the Ultegra crank too but don't > really know about that yet, I'm more interested in using the derailers. I > am using Phil Rivy hubs with a 7 speed freewheel in the rear, Sram 8 speed > chain and shifting using Silver bar end shifters. Any issues with using 10 > speed derailers with 8 speed chain or 7 speed freewheel that you can think > of? (the LX was always a bit too long in the cage area and the gearing I am > using I can get away with a medium cage like the Ultegra I have so I don't > see that as too much of an issue.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_z71dhlLTcUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
I like the dark grey Ultegra cranks. Don't tell anybody.. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:06:11 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote: > So last night I took the drivetrain off the Sam Hillborne and replaced it > with the Ultegra stuff. 6700 RD, Crankset, BB and an older Campy FD > because the Ultegra is for braze on and I don't currently have a clamp for > it. It seems to be working fine with the 7 speed freewheel; I will do a > test ride tonight to see if it all works well. The Ultegra crank doesn't > look completely horrible, it is the dark grey version and works with the > other black components I had on the bike. It contrasts well with the > orange frame. > > On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:17:13 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote: > >> I was wondering if anybody is using modern 10 speed derailers with >> friction shifting? I have some Ultegra 6700 derailers and was thinking >> about replacing the aging LX long cage rear on my Sam Hillborne with it. I >> may replace the Sugino crank and install the Ultegra crank too but don't >> really know about that yet, I'm more interested in using the derailers. I >> am using Phil Rivy hubs with a 7 speed freewheel in the rear, Sram 8 speed >> chain and shifting using Silver bar end shifters. Any issues with using 10 >> speed derailers with 8 speed chain or 7 speed freewheel that you can think >> of? (the LX was always a bit too long in the cage area and the gearing I am >> using I can get away with a medium cage like the Ultegra I have so I don't >> see that as too much of an issue.) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/iisPf6ilphgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
I like the look of the Ultegra and like the Alfine single ring with chainguard even more. Have one on my Surly Cross Check. The lines just seem to flow in a way I like. And the Q factor falls into the range I happen to prefer. Guess having fat thighs can have an advantage. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:33:55 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > I like the dark grey Ultegra cranks. Don't tell anybody.. > > Joe Bernard > Vallejo, CA. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-7nsebU07ywJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
I use the 6700RD with a 9x2 speed , closely spaced, HG cassette, the Connex 908 chain, and Silver DT shifters on my Ram. This may be the best shifting I have ever had, including SIS. it's not obvious to me that 10 speed offers recreational riders enough advantage to justify the added cost and reduced durability. A 7x3 set up should also work beautifully. michael On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:17:13 PM UTC-4, RJM wrote: > > I was wondering if anybody is using modern 10 speed derailers with > friction shifting? I have some Ultegra 6700 derailers and was thinking > about replacing the aging LX long cage rear on my Sam Hillborne with it. I > may replace the Sugino crank and install the Ultegra crank too but don't > really know about that yet, I'm more interested in using the derailers. I > am using Phil Rivy hubs with a 7 speed freewheel in the rear, Sram 8 speed > chain and shifting using Silver bar end shifters. Any issues with using 10 > speed derailers with 8 speed chain or 7 speed freewheel that you can think > of? (the LX was always a bit too long in the cage area and the gearing I am > using I can get away with a medium cage like the Ultegra I have so I don't > see that as too much of an issue.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zX-JDKSiiqQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
A 10 sp chain will work with any ~3/32 cogset, from 5 to 10. It's when using "lower number" chains with "higher number" cogsets that you sometimes (not always -- I've found that 9 sp chains work fine on some 10 sp cassettes) have problems. Odd: the Surley Dingle 2-speed fixed cog needs at least a 9 sp chain. 8/7 speeders' pins rattle/tinkle on the adjacent cog. Wish they had added what, .2 mm?, to the gap to accomodate all 3/32 chains. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM, RJM wrote: > this was actually going to be my next question. Do you think I should just > use the 8 speed chain that I have already (take a link out or two) or go > with the 10 speed? Will a ten speed chain work with a 7 speed freewheel? > > I do love the fact that with friction shifting it makes it so much easier to > mismatch parts, makes this kind of stuff fun. If I can use an existing part > I would rather do that then break out the new chain. > > On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:26:49 PM UTC-5, William wrote: >> >> He'd probably not use a 10-speed chain, since he has a 7-speed freewheel. >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:10:31 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: >>> >>> You'll probably need the Shimano cranks. That 10-speed chain will fall >>> between the rings of your Sugino. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/s6PCo8BmPrUJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere you can use the narrower chain on the wider cassettes, but not the other way around, So if that's the case even if they change the space for the chain on the deraillers one should still be able to backwards apply the technology. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > As long as you can thread some 8-speed chain through the rear derailer > pulleys without scraping the sides of the cage, I don't see a problem using > it. I don't recommend changing the front, though. My experience with > 9-speed derailers and 8-speed chains is that a lot of trimming is involved > because of the narrow front cage. > > Joe Bernard > Vallejo, CA. > > On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:17:13 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote: > >> I was wondering if anybody is using modern 10 speed derailers with >> friction shifting? I have some Ultegra 6700 derailers and was thinking >> about replacing the aging LX long cage rear on my Sam Hillborne with it. I >> may replace the Sugino crank and install the Ultegra crank too but don't >> really know about that yet, I'm more interested in using the derailers. I >> am using Phil Rivy hubs with a 7 speed freewheel in the rear, Sram 8 speed >> chain and shifting using Silver bar end shifters. Any issues with using 10 >> speed derailers with 8 speed chain or 7 speed freewheel that you can think >> of? (the LX was always a bit too long in the cage area and the gearing I am >> using I can get away with a medium cage like the Ultegra I have so I don't >> see that as too much of an issue.) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Uo_N_Hz3VasJ. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Using modern derailers
I'm not seeing all the posts. I see NOW others have posted essentially the same thing. Sorry. What's up with my Gmail? On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM, clyde canter wrote: > I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere you can use the narrower > chain on the wider cassettes, but not the other way around, So if that's > the case even if they change the space for the chain on the deraillers one > should still be able to backwards apply the technology. > > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > >> As long as you can thread some 8-speed chain through the rear derailer >> pulleys without scraping the sides of the cage, I don't see a problem using >> it. I don't recommend changing the front, though. My experience with >> 9-speed derailers and 8-speed chains is that a lot of trimming is involved >> because of the narrow front cage. >> >> Joe Bernard >> Vallejo, CA. >> >> On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:17:13 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote: >> >>> I was wondering if anybody is using modern 10 speed derailers with >>> friction shifting? I have some Ultegra 6700 derailers and was thinking >>> about replacing the aging LX long cage rear on my Sam Hillborne with it. I >>> may replace the Sugino crank and install the Ultegra crank too but don't >>> really know about that yet, I'm more interested in using the derailers. I >>> am using Phil Rivy hubs with a 7 speed freewheel in the rear, Sram 8 speed >>> chain and shifting using Silver bar end shifters. Any issues with using 10 >>> speed derailers with 8 speed chain or 7 speed freewheel that you can think >>> of? (the LX was always a bit too long in the cage area and the gearing I am >>> using I can get away with a medium cage like the Ultegra I have so I don't >>> see that as too much of an issue.) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Uo_N_Hz3VasJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
