Re: [RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
Do the Compass Extra Legers usually expand with use? I wonder if the new Elk Passes will expand by 5 mm or so. Half of me wants them to empuffen (great verb) to the full 32 mm; t'other half likes them just as they are, ~27.5 mm on quite narrow (13 mm inside) semi-aero rims. For me, 28 mm is an ideal gofast size -- it feels and looks wide, just as the 42 cm Maes Parallel feels wide and square after the B 135 only 40 mm at top of ramps and the 37 or 38 Compass M Parallels on the Rivs. On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote: How long have you had the Barlows mounted? They may need more em-puffening time. I have both them and the Jack Brown Greens on similar width rims and the Compasses are certainly wider. KJ On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 11:50:46 PM UTC-4, Bill Ruprecht wrote: Hi, It's too bad i didn't wait to buy my Barlow Pass EL until this week as i would have bought yours. After reading all the hype, I was disappointed to find that these are the exact width as the Jack Browns that I was currently using. I wanted something just a little bit cushier with the extra 5mm width. On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 5:24:49 PM UTC-4, john wrote: Hi all. I have new (as in never removed from their package) Compass 700c x 38 Extralight Barlow Pass tires. I want to trade for new (as in really new, never used) Jack Brown Greens. Anyone out there want to swap? Thanks. If not, anyone want to buy some new tires so i can buy some Jack's? Lemme know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
How long have you had the Barlows mounted? They may need more em-puffening time. I have both them and the Jack Brown Greens on similar width rims and the Compasses are certainly wider. KJ On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 11:50:46 PM UTC-4, Bill Ruprecht wrote: Hi, It's too bad i didn't wait to buy my Barlow Pass EL until this week as i would have bought yours. After reading all the hype, I was disappointed to find that these are the exact width as the Jack Browns that I was currently using. I wanted something just a little bit cushier with the extra 5mm width. On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 5:24:49 PM UTC-4, john wrote: Hi all. I have new (as in never removed from their package) Compass 700c x 38 Extralight Barlow Pass tires. I want to trade for new (as in really new, never used) Jack Brown Greens. Anyone out there want to swap? Thanks. If not, anyone want to buy some new tires so i can buy some Jack's? Lemme know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
mine have only been mounted for a week and only ridden once. I hope to put some miles on em this w/e and see if they em-puffen some. What disappoints me most is that on the Compass website they clearly state that the tires are actual size and not just stated. I've written to the Customer Service but no reply. I wonder what others have experienced about their customer service. Anyway, I will give them some more time to em-puffen. Love that word. Will report back after some more miles ridden. Bill On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 9:24:31 AM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote: How long have you had the Barlows mounted? They may need more em-puffening time. I have both them and the Jack Brown Greens on similar width rims and the Compasses are certainly wider. KJ On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 11:50:46 PM UTC-4, Bill Ruprecht wrote: Hi, It's too bad i didn't wait to buy my Barlow Pass EL until this week as i would have bought yours. After reading all the hype, I was disappointed to find that these are the exact width as the Jack Browns that I was currently using. I wanted something just a little bit cushier with the extra 5mm width. On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 5:24:49 PM UTC-4, john wrote: Hi all. I have new (as in never removed from their package) Compass 700c x 38 Extralight Barlow Pass tires. I want to trade for new (as in really new, never used) Jack Brown Greens. Anyone out there want to swap? Thanks. If not, anyone want to buy some new tires so i can buy some Jack's? Lemme know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
1. Compass/Bicycle Quarterly articles/blog state that tires will get an mm or two wider with use/time, iirc. 2. They state that rim width plays a role in how wide the tire will empuffen, 3. They also state that handling on 700c bikes degrades with any tire wider than 35mm. They believe running wider tires is best on a 650b bike because they keep their nimble handling with wider tires. They say that the reason they do make wider than 700 x 35mm tires is to help 700c-ers get to experience the cush of wider tires. But they believe handling degrades at anything wider than 35mm on a 700c wheeled bike. Unless Compass/BQ has changed their position since I last read. 4. I think their stated tire measurements could only be made clearer by including the name/width of the rim it was measured on, as well as how much they were initially empuffed for the initial measurement (psi/bar) used to list in their tire description, and a disclaimer to educate the consumer that real life width will be determined by rim width, tire pressure, and time/use. Empuffery is definitely more complex than first meets the eye. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
I think Customer Service was riding P-B-P. On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Bill Ruprecht bruprech...@gmail.com wrote: mine have only been mounted for a week and only ridden once. I hope to put some miles on em this w/e and see if they em-puffen some. What disappoints me most is that on the Compass website they clearly state that the tires are actual size and not just stated. I've written to the Customer Service but no reply. I wonder what others have experienced about their customer service. Anyway, I will give them some more time to em-puffen. Love that word. Will report back after some more miles ridden. Bill On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 9:24:31 AM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote: How long have you had the Barlows mounted? They may need more em-puffening time. I have both them and the Jack Brown Greens on similar width rims and the Compasses are certainly wider. KJ On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 11:50:46 PM UTC-4, Bill Ruprecht wrote: Hi, It's too bad i didn't wait to buy my Barlow Pass EL until this week as i would have bought yours. After reading all the hype, I was disappointed to find that these are the exact width as the Jack Browns that I was currently using. I wanted something just a little bit cushier with the extra 5mm width. On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 5:24:49 PM UTC-4, john wrote: Hi all. I have new (as in never removed from their package) Compass 700c x 38 Extralight Barlow Pass tires. I want to trade for new (as in really new, never used) Jack Brown Greens. Anyone out there want to swap? Thanks. If not, anyone want to buy some new tires so i can buy some Jack's? Lemme know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
I think that what BQ/Compass in fact claims is that the gyroscopic factors determined by tire diameter and width and of course weight at the given distance from the axle result in the best handling when the perimeter of the wheel is about 13.5 from the axle. They don't to my knowledge use the word degrade, which I think conveys a misapprehension. As to their precise claim, as above, I am skeptical, since Grant at least seems in my experience (3 26 wheel custom roads) to have devised a way to make very light, 24.5 to 25 actual diameter wheels behave superbly; and while my Fargo with 700C C 50 to 65 mm wheels doesn't handle nearly as nicely, I put that down to the mtb-type geometry, at least in good part, and not solely to the size of the wheels. On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: 3. They also state that handling on 700c bikes degrades with any tire wider than 35mm. They believe running wider tires is best on a 650b bike because they keep their nimble handling with wider tires. They say that the reason they do make wider than 700 x 35mm tires is to help 700c-ers get to experience the cush of wider tires. But they believe handling degrades at anything wider than 35mm on a 700c wheeled bike. Unless Compass/BQ has changed their position since I last read. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
I don't remember what he attributes it too. I just remember him writing on the blog that, for 700c bikes, he felt that handling gets worse when the tire with exceeds 35mm, while 650b bikes keep their nimble handling with tires wider than that. I am pretty sure he used the term degrades, but it doesn't matter what the term was, as he was the one doing the writing, and he had a right to put it however he wanted since it is his private blog, and not a scientific journal. I'm not gonna look it up or anything. But I'll gladly remove the post if you want me to so I don't mislead anyone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
I've had better luck calling them than e-mail. My Barlow Pass EL's measure 37mm mounted on their Grand Bois rims. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
Remove the post: no, of course not. But I just wanted all to be clear about what he said; and if he used the word degrade, then that's fine too as long as his meaning is clear. IIRC, Jan's limit was about 26.5, so that 50 mm 559s, 42 mm 584s, and sub-35 mm 622s would fit the bill. Yes, the Jones review does make one take a step back on this. I think any size of tire will handle just fine on a bike expertly designed for it (within reason, of course -- and don't ask me to define reason). On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: I don't remember what he attributes it too. I just remember him writing on the blog that, for 700c bikes, he felt that handling gets worse when the tire with exceeds 35mm, while 650b bikes keep their nimble handling with tires wider than that. I am pretty sure he used the term degrades, but it doesn't matter what the term was, as he was the one doing the writing, and he had a right to put it however he wanted since it is his private blog, and not a scientific journal. I'm not gonna look it up or anything. But I'll gladly remove the post if you want me to so I don't mislead anyone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
Hi, It's too bad i didn't wait to buy my Barlow Pass EL until this week as i would have bought yours. After reading all the hype, I was disappointed to find that these are the exact width as the Jack Browns that I was currently using. I wanted something just a little bit cushier with the extra 5mm width. On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 5:24:49 PM UTC-4, john wrote: Hi all. I have new (as in never removed from their package) Compass 700c x 38 Extralight Barlow Pass tires. I want to trade for new (as in really new, never used) Jack Brown Greens. Anyone out there want to swap? Thanks. If not, anyone want to buy some new tires so i can buy some Jack's? Lemme know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTT New Barlow Pass for New Jack Brown Green
Bicycle classics sells them for $50, See homepage lower right— Jack Brown 700 x 33 (Green) tires for 50.00 each, http://www.bicycleclassics.com/ I am interested in your tires if you want to sell them. Tom Dusky On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 5:24:49 PM UTC-4, john wrote: Hi all. I have new (as in never removed from their package) Compass 700c x 38 Extralight Barlow Pass tires. I want to trade for new (as in really new, never used) Jack Brown Greens. Anyone out there want to swap? Thanks. If not, anyone want to buy some new tires so i can buy some Jack's? Lemme know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
