[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Joe Bernard]

The Hunqapillar was/is a trail bike, in current Riv parlance a Hillibike. As 
others have noted no specific type of bar was promoted as ideal, but the Nitto 
Bullmoose emerged around the same time and seems to work well with that frame. 

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[dstein]

FWIW I bought a Hunqapillar around 2013 or so and Brian (former Riv 
mechanic) steered me to the Albastache bars which are fairly aggressive. I 
was concerned about it being to aggressive but with a short stem and a high 
position it felt natural and I like it. I played around with a few 
different bars after that but went back to Albastache ultimately. I sold 
the bike in 2016 or so though.

David
Oakland, CA

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Marc Irwin]

The Bosco Bars came the year following the Hunq.  I bought my Hunq, rode it 
for a year and ABSOLUTELY had to have a lighter version of the same 
geometry, so I ordered a Hillborne.  The first Bosco shipment was coming at 
the same time as my Hillborne frame so I added those to the order.  After 
riding the Hillborne with the Bosco's and the Hunq with wide drop bars for 
a season, I added Bullmoose Bosco's to the Hunq and lived happily ever 
after.  The Bosco's absolutely confound club riders when they see my 
Hillborne at charity rides, it's hilarious.

Marc


On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:56:30 AM UTC-4, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> I think the bosco bars came after the Hunq, so I don’t believe the bike 
> was designed for those. 
>
> In the Riv video that Jay Richey made that featured the Hunqapillar he was 
> riding it with albatross bars. I think the bike would also do great with a 
> set of bullmoose bars.

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Takashi]

Hi John

Here's the Hunqapillar page I found on Wayback Machine. I hope the link 
works.
Hunqapillar page on Riv website 


I don't know how Wayback Machine works; frames should have been grey/red at 
the time this page was archived, but pictures shown here are the new green 
ones.
Anyway, the 7th paragraph says "Every bar in the world is suitable for the 
Hunqapillar, so put on what you like."
And if you scroll down (a bit above geo chart), they say:
"Which handlebar?
This is the hardest decision you'll make, because every option makes sense."

I remembered these words well because I read this page over and over when I 
was contemplating which model I should buy.

Takashi

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Ryan M.]

I remember the Bomba being marketed pretty heavily with the old style 
mustache bars, which I'm sure would work great on a Hunq frame too. 

I was very close to buying both a Bomba and a Hunq at different times and 
did a bunch of research about those frames (I still think the Hunqapillar 
headbadge is the best headbage) and the handlebar I always thought I would 
stick on it would be the Bullmoose bars. I never did pony up the cashola to 
get one of those frames and instead wound up now with an Appaloosa with a 
Bullmoose bar. Lol. 

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

>
> It's all good John, we're all here to shoot the breeze about bikes !  
>
> As I recall, and you know how recollections can go  The Bomba was 
> apparently, according to Grant, one of if not the most expensive Riv frames 
> to build. The H frame is a response to make it more appealing costwise for 
> more riders. Yes, the geo changed somewhat, less stack and reach, but the 
> whys and whats of that only Grant knows. If you can catch him at a not so 
> busy time, I'm sure he'd love to talk about it over the phone. This, from 
> someone who loves to talk on the phone for the lively, direct and immediate 
> interactions. 
>
> Garth !
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  Hi Garth, 

   Thanks, but I believe Rivendell is overwhelmed & understaffed these days 
as they struggle to manage their business in the middle of this pandemic. I 
doubt Grant has time right now conversations about the geometry of a bike 
he stopped making years ago. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not going to bother 
him.

   I was just hoping someone here in the group had some insights into the 
Hunqapillar's geometry.

John

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:23:56 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
> It's all good John, we're all here to shoot the breeze about bikes !  
>
> As I recall, and you know how recollections can go  The Bomba was 
> apparently, according to Grant, one of if not the most expensive Riv frames 
> to build. The H frame is a response to make it more appealing costwise for 
> more riders. Yes, the geo changed somewhat, less stack and reach, but the 
> whys and whats of that only Grant knows. If you can catch him at a not so 
> busy time, I'm sure he'd love to talk about it over the phone. This, from 
> someone who loves to talk on the phone for the lively, direct and immediate 
> interactions. 
>
> Garth !
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Jay, 

Funny thing, after my last post, I thought to myself, "I'll bet Jay's 
kid gave him that bell."

There's absolutely no better kind of bell, bar none! (pun intended) ;)  
You're a lucky dad!

John

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 12:16:26 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> The Pass and Stow rack is great - the weak link is the basket and its high 
> center of gravity. I’ve probably carried 15-20# with no issues, and I 
> wouldn’t hesitate to carry more than that in lowrider panniers. 
>
> I’m glad you noticed the Rat Fink bell. My youngest daughter gave it to me 
> as a birthday present when she was 6 or so - it has a lot of sentimental 
> value to me. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jul 13, 2020, at 10:58 AM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
>   Thanks Jay! Nice set up, you've got a lifetime's worth of hand positions 
> there!
>
> How much can you carry on your Pass & Stow rack without the load taking 
> over the handling?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> PS: Cool bike bell!
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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Garth]

It's all good John, we're all here to shoot the breeze about bikes !  

As I recall, and you know how recollections can go  The Bomba was 
apparently, according to Grant, one of if not the most expensive Riv frames 
to build. The H frame is a response to make it more appealing costwise for 
more riders. Yes, the geo changed somewhat, less stack and reach, but the 
whys and whats of that only Grant knows. If you can catch him at a not so 
busy time, I'm sure he'd love to talk about it over the phone. This, from 
someone who loves to talk on the phone for the lively, direct and immediate 
interactions. 

Garth !


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Re: [RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Jay Lonner]

The Pass and Stow rack is great - the weak link is the basket and its high 
center of gravity. I’ve probably carried 15-20# with no issues, and I wouldn’t 
hesitate to carry more than that in lowrider panniers. 

I’m glad you noticed the Rat Fink bell. My youngest daughter gave it to me as a 
birthday present when she was 6 or so - it has a lot of sentimental value to 
me. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 10:58 AM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>   Thanks Jay! Nice set up, you've got a lifetime's worth of hand positions 
> there!
> 
> How much can you carry on your Pass & Stow rack without the load taking over 
> the handling?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> 
> PS: Cool bike bell!
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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Bill Rhea]

Attachments didn't take; here's a link to some Hunqa photos 

.

Bill

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 12:05:03 PM UTC-7, Bill Rhea wrote:
>
> I don't know if it was designed for them, but FWIW the Bosco Bullmoose bar 
> on my 62cm Hunqa is practically perfect in every way :-)
>
> You can sit bolt upright for downhill fire road bombing (knowing the bars 
> will never slip in the stem) or put forearms on the grips and grab the flat 
> part for headwinds and steep climbs.  Only downside might be if you do tons 
> of rocky, super-steep, slow-speed, butt-behind-the-seat technical 
> downhilling as your hands might want to slide forward from the grips  
> My Hunqa is more set up for commuting/touring and shopping these days 
> anyway.
>
> Bar choice is so personal, whatever you pick for your Hunqa you really 
> can't go wrong.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Rhea
> Napa, CA
>
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:46:56 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>I was looking at my 2013 Hunqapillar's geometry on the Bike Insights 
>> website, and it described the stack & reach as more aggressive than most 
>> off road touring bikes, and designed for swept back handlebars.
>>
>> I don't remember Rivendell specifying the Hunqapillar was designed for 
>> swept back bars in it's emails or flyers or website, although I was steered 
>> firmly toward Albatross bars when I bought it.
>>
>> Does anyone know if indeed the Hunqapillar was designed for Albatross 
>> bars or Bosco bars? The Choco & Billie bars weren't around yet back in 2013.
>>
>> I looked back through all the old Hunq info I could find, and didn't find 
>> anything written that specified a particular bar was best the the 
>> Hunqapillar.
>>
>> Slightly puzzled,
>>
>> John
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  Thanks Jay! Nice set up, you've got a lifetime's worth of hand positions 
there!

How much can you carry on your Pass & Stow rack without the load taking 
over the handling?

Thanks,

John

PS: Cool bike bell!

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Garth,

I apologize, my post must have been as clear as mud. I'm not asking for 
handlebar recommendations. And I certainly don't want to be told what to 
do. I sincerely apologize if my post was offensive. 

Right now I'm super happy with my Albatross bars & 12cm Nitto NP stem. 

I'm just trying to understand, if there is anything to understand, why the 
Hunqapillar. According to Grant, the Bombadil was actually a little bit 
different that the Hunq, having a taller head tube.

Again, my apologies,

John

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:10:08 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>  
>
>The Hunqapillar was/is a lower-cost substitute for the Bombadil, which 
> wasn't designed for any particular bar, the initial prototypes used both 
> drop bars and moustache bars. Regardless of the frame and it's relative 
> reach you just can't limit it to any particular bar, not even the designer. 
> There are infinite body types and preferences. Whoever thought in the late 
> 70's you'd ever see those early mountain bikes being ridden with drop bars 
> ? Who imagined a vintage racing/touring frame being used with swept back 
> bars ?   
>  
>So the best bar is whatever works for you. I realize some people want 
> to be told what to do, and for those there's endless people to tell you, 
> each with their pet set of relatives/isms/theories/beliefs. Others prefer, 
> if not must, find out for themselves "what's it all about ?" , what works 
> with a given frame at any given time. Like a "hunq" of clay for the potter. 
> Again,  such is Infinite, pure creativity, and such is Life !
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Jay, I'll take a look.

John

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:15:01 AM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> This one right here:
>
> https://www.crustbikes.com/products/nitto-ui-31-8-30-degree-3/
>
> Some of the best money I’ve ever spent on a part - just a perfect stem for 
> Jones bars. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jul 13, 2020, at 9:57 AM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
>   Jay, can I ask which quill stem you went with for your Jones bars? I see 
> a 3 different 31.8 quill stems with the removable face plates on the Crust 
> bikes website: 15 degree & 30 degree Nitto UI stems & the Nitto BJ stem.
>
>   I agree about the upright posture with the Bosco's, every bump in the 
> road seems targeted on my brain, and riding downhill makes me feel like I'm 
> about to fly over my handlebars. Plus the cockpit is just way too darn 
> cramped. I had to search for the longest & lowest stem I could find just to 
> make Albatross bars comfortable, and that's with my butt and saddle all the 
> way back on a lugged seat post.
>
>   I thought remembered trying out the Bullmoose Bosco bars at Riv back in 
> 2013, so I double checked my memory on the Internet Way Back Machine, and 
> Bosco's, Bullmoose Bosco's, Dove bars & and Albatross bars were all in the 
> 2012 Riv catalog when I ordered my Hunqapillar. I wouldn't trade my Hunq 
> for anything, but it seems like somewhat of an outlier in Rivendell design 
> geometries, and was trying to understand why.
>
> Happy but puzzled,
>
> John
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> .
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Re: [RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Jay Lonner]

This one right here:

https://www.crustbikes.com/products/nitto-ui-31-8-30-degree-3/

Some of the best money I’ve ever spent on a part - just a perfect stem for 
Jones bars. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 9:57 AM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>   Jay, can I ask which quill stem you went with for your Jones bars? I see a 
> 3 different 31.8 quill stems with the removable face plates on the Crust 
> bikes website: 15 degree & 30 degree Nitto UI stems & the Nitto BJ stem.
> 
>   I agree about the upright posture with the Bosco's, every bump in the road 
> seems targeted on my brain, and riding downhill makes me feel like I'm about 
> to fly over my handlebars. Plus the cockpit is just way too darn cramped. I 
> had to search for the longest & lowest stem I could find just to make 
> Albatross bars comfortable, and that's with my butt and saddle all the way 
> back on a lugged seat post.
> 
>   I thought remembered trying out the Bullmoose Bosco bars at Riv back in 
> 2013, so I double checked my memory on the Internet Way Back Machine, and 
> Bosco's, Bullmoose Bosco's, Dove bars & and Albatross bars were all in the 
> 2012 Riv catalog when I ordered my Hunqapillar. I wouldn't trade my Hunq for 
> anything, but it seems like somewhat of an outlier in Rivendell design 
> geometries, and was trying to understand why.
> 
> Happy but puzzled,
> 
> John
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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Garth]

 

   The Hunqapillar was/is a lower-cost substitute for the Bombadil, which 
wasn't designed for any particular bar, the initial prototypes used both 
drop bars and moustache bars. Regardless of the frame and it's relative 
reach you just can't limit it to any particular bar, not even the designer. 
There are infinite body types and preferences. Whoever thought in the late 
70's you'd ever see those early mountain bikes being ridden with drop bars 
? Who imagined a vintage racing/touring frame being used with swept back 
bars ?   
 
   So the best bar is whatever works for you. I realize some people want to 
be told what to do, and for those there's endless people to tell you, each 
with their pet set of relatives/isms/theories/beliefs. Others prefer, if 
not must, find out for themselves "what's it all about ?" , what works with 
a given frame at any given time. Like a "hunq" of clay for the potter. 
Again,  such is Infinite, pure creativity, and such is Life !

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  Jay, can I ask which quill stem you went with for your Jones bars? I see 
a 3 different 31.8 quill stems with the removable face plates on the Crust 
bikes website: 15 degree & 30 degree Nitto UI stems & the Nitto BJ stem.

  I agree about the upright posture with the Bosco's, every bump in the 
road seems targeted on my brain, and riding downhill makes me feel like I'm 
about to fly over my handlebars. Plus the cockpit is just way too darn 
cramped. I had to search for the longest & lowest stem I could find just to 
make Albatross bars comfortable, and that's with my butt and saddle all the 
way back on a lugged seat post.

  I thought remembered trying out the Bullmoose Bosco bars at Riv back in 
2013, so I double checked my memory on the Internet Way Back Machine, and 
Bosco's, Bullmoose Bosco's, Dove bars & and Albatross bars were all in the 
2012 Riv catalog when I ordered my Hunqapillar. I wouldn't trade my Hunq 
for anything, but it seems like somewhat of an outlier in Rivendell design 
geometries, and was trying to understand why.

Happy but puzzled,

John

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