[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Jay Connolly]

Put a foot into the Golden Age yesterday when I found a 

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 9:10:36 PM UTC-8 Berkeleyan wrote:

> I'm in for the long haul. I bought Moustache Bars from RBW for my REI XR 
> way back in the early 1990's, so that must have been when Grant first put 
> up a sign.
>
> When I was doored in 1997, I used the insurance settlement toward a 
> custom-sized 65cm LongLow, which I still have, and love. Phil hubs, 
> six-speed Sachs Freewheel, it just rides and rides and rides.
>
> Later, I found a 66cm QuickBeam on Craigs, and it became my "second" bike, 
> fitted with a Dos Enos flip-flop rear hub and Bullmoose bars. It has been 
> to an Entmoot (China Camp) and just about everywhere in the East Bay.
>
> Most recently, I had my friend Mark Guglielmana build up a custom frame 
> modeled between my LongLow and a Hunqapillar (ergo, Diagatube) and fitted 
> for a Rohloff hub. Totally Riv-inspired, and a delight to take on loaded 
> tours. It does sport a re-raked RBW fork, but with bosses re-brazed for 
> MAFAC centerpulls.
>
> And I'm only 61, so who knows what the next 10-20 years will hold!
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
>> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
>> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>>
>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
>> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
>> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
>> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>>
>>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>>Herons? 
>>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>>favorites? 
>>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>>and a Gus Bootster? 
>>
>> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
>> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
>> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
>> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>>
>> Philip 
>> Santa Rosa, CA 
>>
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Berkeleyan]

I'm in for the long haul. I bought Moustache Bars from RBW for my REI XR 
way back in the early 1990's, so that must have been when Grant first put 
up a sign.

When I was doored in 1997, I used the insurance settlement toward a 
custom-sized 65cm LongLow, which I still have, and love. Phil hubs, 
six-speed Sachs Freewheel, it just rides and rides and rides.

Later, I found a 66cm QuickBeam on Craigs, and it became my "second" bike, 
fitted with a Dos Enos flip-flop rear hub and Bullmoose bars. It has been 
to an Entmoot (China Camp) and just about everywhere in the East Bay.

Most recently, I had my friend Mark Guglielmana build up a custom frame 
modeled between my LongLow and a Hunqapillar (ergo, Diagatube) and fitted 
for a Rohloff hub. Totally Riv-inspired, and a delight to take on loaded 
tours. It does sport a re-raked RBW fork, but with bosses re-brazed for 
MAFAC centerpulls.

And I'm only 61, so who knows what the next 10-20 years will hold!

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson 
wrote:

> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Alan Barnard]

I go all the way back to the Bridgestone days, but my first Rivendell was a 
first generation Sam Hillborne, circa 2009. I have a soft spot for models 
from that era. I’m slowly warming up to the idea of longer chainstays 
though, so we’ll see if my currently-in-the-build-process Platypus ends up 
winning me over. 

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:17:40 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> I would fall mostly into the  Golden Ager, but also the Proto Riv as you 
> define them.  I tried one longer chainstay Riv and we did not connect.  I 
> currently have a Hillborne which while a newer design for me is more old 
> school,  and a Saluki.  I have had Riv Roads, a Custom, an AR, and the list 
> goes on.  These are my favorites.  
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 7:55:34 PM UTC-4 Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
>> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
>> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>>
>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
>> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
>> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
>> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>>
>>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>>Herons? 
>>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>>favorites? 
>>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>>and a Gus Bootster? 
>>
>> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
>> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
>> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
>> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>>
>> Philip 
>> Santa Rosa, CA 
>>
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[J S]

I would fall mostly into the  Golden Ager, but also the Proto Riv as you 
define them.  I tried one longer chainstay Riv and we did not connect.  I 
currently have a Hillborne which while a newer design for me is more old 
school,  and a Saluki.  I have had Riv Roads, a Custom, an AR, and the list 
goes on.  These are my favorites.  
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 7:55:34 PM UTC-4 Philip Williamson 
wrote:

> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Bill Schairer]

Thanks, Ryan and JJ.  Ian, I'm guessing they wanted to keep those lugs off 
that newish bridge surface.  The rest of the road was pretty much gravel, 
though I guess lugged wheels could make a mess of that as well.  I am sure 
they didn't have my bike in mind but, loving lugged frames, I thought it 
would be fun to get the pic and was looking for an opportunity to slip it 
in somewhere.

Bill S
San Diego

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 10:06:11 AM UTC-8 Ian A wrote:

> Lugs in this instance normally relate to metal tracks or wheels on 
> agricultural or construction equipment. They tear up the asphalt.
>
> IanA
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 4:16:35 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Ha ha ...missed the signwhat does that even mean, I wonder. Oh...lugs 
>> on tires ...got it.
>>
>> Great shot, Bill
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:49:03 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:
>>
>>> That’s a perfect pic, Bill. Love it!
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am firmly attached to lugs as well.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I snuck through without incident on my one and only Riv, 2013 Atlantis 
>>> on tour this past summer.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
  ...but my heart is firmly attached to lugs, although...


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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Ian A]

Lugs in this instance normally relate to metal tracks or wheels on 
agricultural or construction equipment. They tear up the asphalt.

IanA

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 4:16:35 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Ha ha ...missed the signwhat does that even mean, I wonder. Oh...lugs 
> on tires ...got it.
>
> Great shot, Bill
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:49:03 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:
>
>> That’s a perfect pic, Bill. Love it!
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
>>
>> I am firmly attached to lugs as well.
>>
>> 
>>
>> I snuck through without incident on my one and only Riv, 2013 Atlantis on 
>> tour this past summer.
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>>  ...but my heart is firmly attached to lugs, although...
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Ryan]

Ha ha ...missed the signwhat does that even mean, I wonder. Oh...lugs 
on tires ...got it.

Great shot, Bill

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:49:03 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:

> That’s a perfect pic, Bill. Love it!
>
> On Nov 13, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
>
> I am firmly attached to lugs as well.
>
> 
>
> I snuck through without incident on my one and only Riv, 2013 Atlantis on 
> tour this past summer.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>>  ...but my heart is firmly attached to lugs, although...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Junes]

That’s a perfect pic, Bill. Love it!On Nov 13, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:I am firmly attached to lugs as well.I snuck through without incident on my one and only Riv, 2013 Atlantis on tour this past summer.Bill SSan DiegoOn Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote: ...but my heart is firmly attached to lugs, although...





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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Hi Ryan:I share your inclinations on RBW designs. My 1st Riv was a Rambouillet in 2006. The Ram was conceived of as a successor to the Long Low and mine continues to be a great riding bike.  I next got a Saluki but decided it really wasn’t for me and re-sold it. My 3rd Riv was a Road prototype and I still have that one also. It is a regular Waterford Road front geometry with a level TT and standard HT mated to a slack angle / longer chainstay GP style rear layout and it rides great. Has the neat original Sachs designed lugs and Reynolds 753 frame set. It’s plenty light and fast but comfortable too.  BruceSent from my iPadOn Nov 13, 2022, at 11:34 AM, Ryan  wrote:Definitely proto-Riv...somewhere around Ted Durant and Mr. Moore ...1993 X0-1 that I still have, 1997 A/R and 2001 LongLow influenced Curt Goodrich Road...but veering into swoopy with 2016 custom mixte which I ordered with less ornate lugs than the Glorius and Wilbury models.I get why Riv moved to TIG-welding for Clems and Roadinis ...but my heart is firmly attached to lugs, although...if I was more of a utility cyclist , I'd definitely consider one of the Clems. But, shopping is within walking distance so a Clem is not really required. I do applaud Grant's move to keep the durability and good design hallmarks of Rivendell while making them  more affordable, however.  Before I retired my 73/74 single-speed Peugeot PX-10 or my X0-1 were my daily commuters...so to speak to the visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/40dd5cf0-9772-41c7-9a3e-89925a958892n%40googlegroups.com.



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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Ryan]

Definitely proto-Riv...somewhere around Ted Durant and Mr. Moore ...1993 
X0-1 that I still have, 1997 A/R and 2001 LongLow influenced Curt Goodrich 
Road...but veering into swoopy with 2016 custom mixte which I ordered with 
less ornate lugs than the Glorius and Wilbury models.

I get why Riv moved to TIG-welding for Clems and Roadinis ...but my heart 
is firmly attached to lugs, although...if I was more of a utility cyclist , 
I'd definitely consider one of the Clems. But, shopping is within walking 
distance so a Clem is not really required. I do applaud Grant's move to 
keep the durability and good design hallmarks of Rivendell while making 
them  more affordable, however. 

 Before I retired my 73/74 single-speed Peugeot PX-10 or my X0-1 were my 
daily commuters...so to speak to the other "precious" thread my  Rivs are 
not the bikes I'd lock up downtown or ride in winter with all the sleet and 
slush. Maybe in a perfect world with no winter, but I can't bring myself to 
do it in this one.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:54:36 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have no idea Sam Hillbornes ever came with sidepull brakes! Thought it 
> looks like the fork still had canti braze-ons. What was the max tire 
> clearance on that?
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 7:29 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:
>
>> By these standards I am a 2TTR.  I have a Hunq from the first Waterford 
>> run, but the 54'd didn't require 2 top tubes so it only has one.  A year 
>> after riding it, I HAD  to have the lighter, faster version so I 
>> pre-ordered a Hillborne.  The 56 Sam's fit me, so it was supposed to have 2 
>> top tubes, but the factory goofed on 3 and since I had pre-ordered, Riv let 
>> me choose.  I took the single TT because I already had the Hunq for all the 
>> rough tumbling about.  So, I'm a 2TTR with single top tubes.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> [image: IMG_2118.JPG]
>>
>> [image: Blued Sam.jpg]
>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 7:55:34 PM UTC-4 Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
>>> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>>>
>>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
>>> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
>>> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
>>> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>>>
>>>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>>>Herons? 
>>>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>>>favorites? 
>>>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>>>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>>>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>>>and a Gus Bootster? 
>>>
>>> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
>>> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
>>> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
>>> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>>>
>>> Philip 
>>> Santa Rosa, CA 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Patrick Moore]

I slot in just behind Ted. I fell in love with a 1992 XO-1 that an
Albuquerque bike shop was discounting to get rid of it; I'd been riding
road-ified or allrounder-ified mountain bikes but wanted something that
handled more like the 1989 Falcon I'd sold but with 26" wheels. The XO-1
got close, but in 1994 I ordered a custom Riv Road but one based on the
XOs: compact, 26" wheels, road tires, tighter angles, road tubing. I loved
it, and told Grant I was going to proclaim the 54" c-c frame (my "normal"
fistful size is 60 c-c), and he said, "Don't you dare."

I got serious about fixed gear riding in 1996 and ordered a 26" customer
riv road fixie gofast in 1999; you've heard enough about it. Then in 2003 I
ordered a derailleur clone and built it up as a 26" wheel 1X10 gofast road
bike (46 X 11-23 and 12-25 Am Classic cassettes) shifted with Simplex
retrofriction dt shifters. But I turned it into a fixed gear commuter with
Dave Porter Campy dropouts and Chauncey Matthews racks, and after it was
replaced in 2020 with the Matthews clone I traded frame, fork, fenders, and
custom racks to a listmember for the later much modified 2012 Monocog.

In the meanwhile I had a 2010 Sam, nice, but sold because for me it was
neither flesh nor fowl, neither nimble road bike nor capable of our sandy
soil; and I carried groceries on a racing bike (which handled the rear
loads better anyway). About 2013 I got a second hand, second gen (blue) Ram
and built it up several ways, including the first indexing since 1993 --
Dura Ace 7 speed, later swapped for better-shifting mix 'n' match friction
9 speed. That too got sold as not quite flesh nor fowl -- not as nimble as
I liked, not dirt capable, didn't need a grocery carrier.

I remember the very first luggage products; very home-made looking, though
well made. Quite a shot put distance to today's Luis Vuitton-quality
luggage. I think I've owned at least 1 from each generation, starting with
the high quality Nelson Longflap that Riv brought into the US -- did anyone
else sell those here in 1995? Adam and Hoss, first-gen Sackville M and L,
now later gen Sackville M.

Would love to try a Clem or similar if only they accommodated 622 X 76 mm
tires; sand.



On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 7:52 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> I'm not sure how I missed this thread! The Bridgestone XO-1 is where it
> began for me, and I happily teamed up with Grant to help Rivendell get
> started and then Rona Components, Willow, and Heron. I've had a Rivendell
> ATB (Waterford, early on), Riv Road (Joe built), a few Herons, a Quickbeam,
> a Bleriot, and a Cheviot. And my wife has a Glorius. I definitely associate
> more with the earlier designs, and the original prototype Heron Road  and
> Riv Road are still here. I've evolved more along the lines of Jan Heine,
> preferring classic road bike designs and riding position, with big tires. I
> never warmed up to the Cheviot though I tried a slew of handlebars. I sold
> the ATB and the Bleriot here a couple of years ago. The type of riding I do
> is largely dictated by where I live, with lots of dairyland roads that are
> mostly well paved. I don't have mountains or many gravel roads within 100
> miles. There are some mountain bike trails in the vicinity, but I'm not
> willing to drive an hour each way to go for a bike ride - I'd rather spend
> those 2 hours riding!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI US
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Matt Beecher]

IMO, the peak of my interest remains with the Atlantis and Saluki, though I 
would like to try one of the Toyo Homers of the 700c variety and maybe a 
Wilbury.  The move to being upright does not interest me, yet, and I have 
not seen anything that interests me in a new frameset.  I imagine one day I 
might be looking for an upright bike, but I wonder what the options will be 
at that time.

I do like some of the clothing options they offer, namely the wool, but 
none of it fits me, with my long arms/torso.  I'm a big fan of the sweaters 
from a few years ago though, because the sleeves appear designed to roll 
up, but would love to see more items with long arms for riders wanting to 
keep their wrists warm on cold rides.  I'd love to see a heavier equivalent 
to the Surly wool jersey, with the extra long sleeves and thumb holes.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego





On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 10:35:52 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Nov 12, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Eric Peterson  wrote:
> > 
> > Saw a comment from Ted Durant, recall we rode a 200k brevet together on 
> our RIvs back in 2016.
>
> Pictures prove it happened. Alas, I was on my Terraferma, not my Riv. But 
> I was wearing my Riv hat. 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Piaw Na]

Hi Ted, like you, I started riding Bridgestone with the 1993 RB-1. At one 
point Eric House (who was sponsored by Grant) was riding "sunrise 
centuries" to get ready for his RAAM attempt, so I joined him on a few 
rides. At one point I got invited to a ride on Grant Petersen's commute to 
Bridgestone from the Oakland hills. Grant showed up on his fixed gear and 
mentioned something about not being able to coast and shift, but he still 
proceeded to outride all of us. I got into bicycle touring 
(https://blog.piaw.net/2022/07/consolidated-cycle-touring-page.html) and 
bought a Rivendell Custom touring bike, but that bike didn't work out. It 
rode beautifully without a load but with both front and rear loads it would 
shimmy and no mechanic could fix it. I gave up and sold it to a friend.

Then I bought a Heron touring bike. This bike served me well for many 
tours, until I started riding in the alps. There, I discovered that 
cantilever (shimano XT, paul's neo retros) would judder and shudder under 
aggressive braking. I realized that I should have bought a Heron road 
instead. I switched away and ordered a custom titanium touring bike, which 
served me well on all my tours, commutes, and abuse. OK, the riding was 
great, but I've broken 2 frames. The builder was apologetic both times and 
stood by his work, building me a new frame each time. When the second frame 
broke though, I visited Grant and decided to return to the Rivendell fold.

I agonized a bit about either a A Homer Hilsen or a Roadini, but the fact 
that all my wheels carried over from previous bikes were 130mm spacing 
tipped me towards the Roadini, especially now that they clear 42mm tires. 
I'm quite happy with my Roadini at this point, though I think I would still 
like a lower BB, and maybe a slightly shorter chainstay to make it easier 
to pack for a tour.

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 6:52:34 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
>>
>
> I'm not sure how I missed this thread! The Bridgestone XO-1 is where it 
> began for me, and I happily teamed up with Grant to help Rivendell get 
> started and then Rona Components, Willow, and Heron. I've had a Rivendell 
> ATB (Waterford, early on), Riv Road (Joe built), a few Herons, a Quickbeam, 
> a Bleriot, and a Cheviot. And my wife has a Glorius. I definitely associate 
> more with the earlier designs, and the original prototype Heron Road  and 
> Riv Road are still here. I've evolved more along the lines of Jan Heine, 
> preferring classic road bike designs and riding position, with big tires. I 
> never warmed up to the Cheviot though I tried a slew of handlebars. I sold 
> the ATB and the Bleriot here a couple of years ago. The type of riding I do 
> is largely dictated by where I live, with lots of dairyland roads that are 
> mostly well paved. I don't have mountains or many gravel roads within 100 
> miles. There are some mountain bike trails in the vicinity, but I'm not 
> willing to drive an hour each way to go for a bike ride - I'd rather spend 
> those 2 hours riding!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Eric Peterson]

Saw a comment from Ted Durant, recall we rode a 200k brevet together on our 
RIvs back in 2016.
I'm definitely a "Golden Ager"
I started with an RB-1 bought when Bridgestone called it quits, then 
another RB-1 and an RB-T - yes at one time had three RB bikes. I gave the 
RB-T to my brother for his 40th birthday (he subsequently loaned it to his 
daughter in Chicago where it got stolen). The two RB-1s I gave to my son 
and his husband in Boston and they are still in active use there.

But this is about Rivs I almost forgot. 
I started with a blue Rambouillet, then an orange Rambouillet which I keep 
in Seattle for when I visit and ride out there.
After a crash damaged the blue bike, I opted for a Roadeo which I still 
ride on brevets today.
I really like the classic "fast" road bike feel of all these bikes. 

Eric

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 8:52:34 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
>>
>
> I'm not sure how I missed this thread! The Bridgestone XO-1 is where it 
> began for me, and I happily teamed up with Grant to help Rivendell get 
> started and then Rona Components, Willow, and Heron. I've had a Rivendell 
> ATB (Waterford, early on), Riv Road (Joe built), a few Herons, a Quickbeam, 
> a Bleriot, and a Cheviot. And my wife has a Glorius. I definitely associate 
> more with the earlier designs, and the original prototype Heron Road  and 
> Riv Road are still here. I've evolved more along the lines of Jan Heine, 
> preferring classic road bike designs and riding position, with big tires. I 
> never warmed up to the Cheviot though I tried a slew of handlebars. I sold 
> the ATB and the Bleriot here a couple of years ago. The type of riding I do 
> is largely dictated by where I live, with lots of dairyland roads that are 
> mostly well paved. I don't have mountains or many gravel roads within 100 
> miles. There are some mountain bike trails in the vicinity, but I'm not 
> willing to drive an hour each way to go for a bike ride - I'd rather spend 
> those 2 hours riding!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Jay Connolly]

Definitely a 2TTer leaning into the Clemster age. Own an Appaloosa for 
touring and running around with various loads (and as my winter bike in a 
wet climate), a Sam for my version of speed (which is laughably slow, but 
really it’s just a reminder not to weigh down the bike with the extra 10 
lbs I carry on the Joe day-to-day). Had a 64 Clem which I stupidly sold to 
a friend and now wish I had back.

Jay
Vancouver Island, BC, Canada 

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson 
wrote:

> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[reynoldslugs]

Thanks Rich, I love all these bikes.   Just did a lovely ride on the Sonoma 
Coast today, Monte Rio to Cazadero, over Ft Ross Road and down Meyer’s 
Grade to Highway 1.  Awesome weather!

I meant to mention, I had a Quickbeam but gave it to Crazy Bradford down in 
Petaluma, who loves it.  My knees are no longer suitable for fixed gear or 
single speed.  

Best,

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 9:37:42 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> Very inspiring to see the variety of Rivs those of you currently 
> own or have owned. Max, you have a stellar collection of bikes! 
>
> I'm a Golden Ager in terms of longevity but less so with Rivendell; since 
> 2011 if I recall. Wish it had been sooner. I wouldn't have bought lesser 
> bikes. All part of the learning curve I guess. Cyclofiend, Ecolvelo and 
> Lovely Bicycle brought me into the Riv loop with reviews of the Sam 
> Hillborne. The Sam wasn't my first Riv - that was an Atlantis - but it 
> quickly led to a Sage Green Sam. The expression "you can't have one 
> Rivendell" certainly proved true. Some others followed: Clem H, Roadeo and 
> a Taiwan built Homer. 
>
> The Sam has been a keeper though with no plans to leave the stable!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:33 AM reynoldslugs  wrote:
>
>> Definitely a Golden Ager.  Late 90’s, I discovered Rivendell, spent some 
>> time with Grant, and picked up a Heron; got back into riding after a ten or 
>> fifteen year hiatus.  I’ve continue to ride each of my Rivendells - Custom, 
>> Legolas, Rambouillet, Roadeo, Atlantis, Heron (now a 650), maybe a few 
>> others.  
>>
>> Many are here:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums
>>
>> Great thread. Thanks!
>>
>> Max Beach
>> Santa Rosa CA
>> On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 6:52:34 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 

>>>
>>> I'm not sure how I missed this thread! The Bridgestone XO-1 is where it 
>>> began for me, and I happily teamed up with Grant to help Rivendell get 
>>> started and then Rona Components, Willow, and Heron. I've had a Rivendell 
>>> ATB (Waterford, early on), Riv Road (Joe built), a few Herons, a Quickbeam, 
>>> a Bleriot, and a Cheviot. And my wife has a Glorius. I definitely associate 
>>> more with the earlier designs, and the original prototype Heron Road  and 
>>> Riv Road are still here. I've evolved more along the lines of Jan Heine, 
>>> preferring classic road bike designs and riding position, with big tires. I 
>>> never warmed up to the Cheviot though I tried a slew of handlebars. I sold 
>>> the ATB and the Bleriot here a couple of years ago. The type of riding I do 
>>> is largely dictated by where I live, with lots of dairyland roads that are 
>>> mostly well paved. I don't have mountains or many gravel roads within 100 
>>> miles. There are some mountain bike trails in the vicinity, but I'm not 
>>> willing to drive an hour each way to go for a bike ride - I'd rather spend 
>>> those 2 hours riding!
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[R Shannon]

Very inspiring to see the variety of Rivs those of you currently
own or have owned. Max, you have a stellar collection of bikes!

I'm a Golden Ager in terms of longevity but less so with Rivendell; since
2011 if I recall. Wish it had been sooner. I wouldn't have bought lesser
bikes. All part of the learning curve I guess. Cyclofiend, Ecolvelo and
Lovely Bicycle brought me into the Riv loop with reviews of the Sam
Hillborne. The Sam wasn't my first Riv - that was an Atlantis - but it
quickly led to a Sage Green Sam. The expression "you can't have one
Rivendell" certainly proved true. Some others followed: Clem H, Roadeo and
a Taiwan built Homer.

The Sam has been a keeper though with no plans to leave the stable!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:33 AM reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Definitely a Golden Ager.  Late 90’s, I discovered Rivendell, spent some
> time with Grant, and picked up a Heron; got back into riding after a ten or
> fifteen year hiatus.  I’ve continue to ride each of my Rivendells - Custom,
> Legolas, Rambouillet, Roadeo, Atlantis, Heron (now a 650), maybe a few
> others.
>
> Many are here:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums
>
> Great thread. Thanks!
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
> On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 6:52:34 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best?
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure how I missed this thread! The Bridgestone XO-1 is where it
>> began for me, and I happily teamed up with Grant to help Rivendell get
>> started and then Rona Components, Willow, and Heron. I've had a Rivendell
>> ATB (Waterford, early on), Riv Road (Joe built), a few Herons, a Quickbeam,
>> a Bleriot, and a Cheviot. And my wife has a Glorius. I definitely associate
>> more with the earlier designs, and the original prototype Heron Road  and
>> Riv Road are still here. I've evolved more along the lines of Jan Heine,
>> preferring classic road bike designs and riding position, with big tires. I
>> never warmed up to the Cheviot though I tried a slew of handlebars. I sold
>> the ATB and the Bleriot here a couple of years ago. The type of riding I do
>> is largely dictated by where I live, with lots of dairyland roads that are
>> mostly well paved. I don't have mountains or many gravel roads within 100
>> miles. There are some mountain bike trails in the vicinity, but I'm not
>> willing to drive an hour each way to go for a bike ride - I'd rather spend
>> those 2 hours riding!
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[John Dewey]

My journey along this path began in 1997, with a Litespeed—full Record
group, 23mm tires that barely fit, carbon fork...light and fast. Lots of
fun to ride. The very next year, as I recall, the newer Record group
included those great Ergo levers that many of us still ride now—with the
guts removed or in the guise of Cane Creek SCR-5 and the similar IRD
Drilliums. I really NEEDED a set of those new Ergo levers, but they were
*so* *expensive*, yikes.

At that point, as I pondered replacing the pointy levers, I had an
epiphany: this is how it will shake out if I continue to chase the
technology...there's no end to it. And I will never catch it. The levers on
my Litesepeed were fine, I just wanted the new ones. I had no need, just a
lot of *want*. BTW, about this same time, I began reading Grant's writing
via his old newsletters and I realized this was the philosophy I adhered
to.

Shortly thereafter, I decided, enough—sold the Litespeed in '99 and had
Richard Schwinn build me a Waterford touring frame, the AC1900. It's still
in my 'rotation' and I'm as fond of it now as I was when it arrived 23
years ago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50644206498/in/album-72157702711634681/lightbox/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50492813172/in/album-72157704160992724/

Until then, I didn't realize I needed more than one bicycle—afterall, you
can only ride one at a time. So in autumn 2004, I walked into the great
Williamson Bike Works (RIP) in Madison WI, and saw this gorgeous deep blue
Rambouillet hanging from a hook on the ceiling with a bunch of other
frames. (Remember those days, when you could just walk into a shop and grab
one from the rafters. Don't we miss that?) I bought it on the spot and the
journey began in earnest.

The blue RAM is my only Rivendell but, of course, Richard builds frames for
Grant. And I have two EBISU built by Hiroshi Imura...so all in the same
family.  I have no more bicycle-envy left in me, so my hoarding impulses
now to turn to late '90s components to keep things running at the 9-speed
level. I find it manageable and entertaining, so I'm all good.

BEST / Jock Dewey / NorCAL

On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 7:22 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quickbeams change hands pretty regularly, but I may have only ever seen
> one Riv Mountain for sale. Maybe none. That was one of the first Rivs I was
> ever made aware of, so I've been attuned to them.  A lot of early bikes
> might be in garages and attics.
>
> The nu-Riv Platys seem to come up for sale a lot, but that might not be a
> high percentage of those sold. There might just be more of them, and more
> people active on the list.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif - Armistice Day
>
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 6:31:10 PM UTC-7 Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
>> I wonder what the least resold Riv is? At least the smallest ratio or
>> percentage of resales to sales. Clearly the Riv Mountain is the least
>> resold.
>>
>> -J
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[reynoldslugs]

Definitely a Golden Ager.  Late 90’s, I discovered Rivendell, spent some 
time with Grant, and picked up a Heron; got back into riding after a ten or 
fifteen year hiatus.  I’ve continue to ride each of my Rivendells - Custom, 
Legolas, Rambouillet, Roadeo, Atlantis, Heron (now a 650), maybe a few 
others.  

Many are here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums

Great thread. Thanks!

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 6:52:34 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
>>
>
> I'm not sure how I missed this thread! The Bridgestone XO-1 is where it 
> began for me, and I happily teamed up with Grant to help Rivendell get 
> started and then Rona Components, Willow, and Heron. I've had a Rivendell 
> ATB (Waterford, early on), Riv Road (Joe built), a few Herons, a Quickbeam, 
> a Bleriot, and a Cheviot. And my wife has a Glorius. I definitely associate 
> more with the earlier designs, and the original prototype Heron Road  and 
> Riv Road are still here. I've evolved more along the lines of Jan Heine, 
> preferring classic road bike designs and riding position, with big tires. I 
> never warmed up to the Cheviot though I tried a slew of handlebars. I sold 
> the ATB and the Bleriot here a couple of years ago. The type of riding I do 
> is largely dictated by where I live, with lots of dairyland roads that are 
> mostly well paved. I don't have mountains or many gravel roads within 100 
> miles. There are some mountain bike trails in the vicinity, but I'm not 
> willing to drive an hour each way to go for a bike ride - I'd rather spend 
> those 2 hours riding!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Conway Bennett]

Good thread.  I'm a 2TTer.  I learned about Riv ~2010 through ecovelo which 
has a presence again on Instagram and cyclofiend.  My first Rivendell I 
bought was a 2TT Sam I got new for sub $1000, but I lusted after a 
Hunqapillar first because of the grey bean paint but especially after 
riding one at HQ--back then Hunqs were only $1850.  I currently have a 
Hunqapillar and my wife has a Rosco Bubbaloosa.  I was drinking Riv Kool 
aid for a bit, but now I have a crust canti lightning bolt and a BMC 
Monstercross on deck.  The Appaloosa was the last Riv I really liked, but I 
like 650b and the option of drop bars.
 
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 8:52:34 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
>>
>
> I'm not sure how I missed this thread! The Bridgestone XO-1 is where it 
> began for me, and I happily teamed up with Grant to help Rivendell get 
> started and then Rona Components, Willow, and Heron. I've had a Rivendell 
> ATB (Waterford, early on), Riv Road (Joe built), a few Herons, a Quickbeam, 
> a Bleriot, and a Cheviot. And my wife has a Glorius. I definitely associate 
> more with the earlier designs, and the original prototype Heron Road  and 
> Riv Road are still here. I've evolved more along the lines of Jan Heine, 
> preferring classic road bike designs and riding position, with big tires. I 
> never warmed up to the Cheviot though I tried a slew of handlebars. I sold 
> the ATB and the Bleriot here a couple of years ago. The type of riding I do 
> is largely dictated by where I live, with lots of dairyland roads that are 
> mostly well paved. I don't have mountains or many gravel roads within 100 
> miles. There are some mountain bike trails in the vicinity, but I'm not 
> willing to drive an hour each way to go for a bike ride - I'd rather spend 
> those 2 hours riding!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson 
wrote:

> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
>

I'm not sure how I missed this thread! The Bridgestone XO-1 is where it 
began for me, and I happily teamed up with Grant to help Rivendell get 
started and then Rona Components, Willow, and Heron. I've had a Rivendell 
ATB (Waterford, early on), Riv Road (Joe built), a few Herons, a Quickbeam, 
a Bleriot, and a Cheviot. And my wife has a Glorius. I definitely associate 
more with the earlier designs, and the original prototype Heron Road  and 
Riv Road are still here. I've evolved more along the lines of Jan Heine, 
preferring classic road bike designs and riding position, with big tires. I 
never warmed up to the Cheviot though I tried a slew of handlebars. I sold 
the ATB and the Bleriot here a couple of years ago. The type of riding I do 
is largely dictated by where I live, with lots of dairyland roads that are 
mostly well paved. I don't have mountains or many gravel roads within 100 
miles. There are some mountain bike trails in the vicinity, but I'm not 
willing to drive an hour each way to go for a bike ride - I'd rather spend 
those 2 hours riding!

Ted Durant
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Steven Sweedler]

I remember a FS for a Riv Mountain, $500 for the frameset, it was a large
and the ad cautioned how large a pbh you needed to ride it. I had just
bought something else and didn’t pursue it past one exchange of emails.
Never saw mention of it being sold, the seller did say it needed a comlete
 repaint. Steve

On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 10:22 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quickbeams change hands pretty regularly, but I may have only ever seen
> one Riv Mountain for sale. Maybe none. That was one of the first Rivs I was
> ever made aware of, so I've been attuned to them.  A lot of early bikes
> might be in garages and attics.
>
> The nu-Riv Platys seem to come up for sale a lot, but that might not be a
> high percentage of those sold. There might just be more of them, and more
> people active on the list.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif - Armistice Day
>
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 6:31:10 PM UTC-7 Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
>> I wonder what the least resold Riv is? At least the smallest ratio or
>> percentage of resales to sales. Clearly the Riv Mountain is the least
>> resold.
>>
>> -J
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Philip Williamson]

Quickbeams change hands pretty regularly, but I may have only ever seen one 
Riv Mountain for sale. Maybe none. That was one of the first Rivs I was 
ever made aware of, so I've been attuned to them.  A lot of early bikes 
might be in garages and attics.

The nu-Riv Platys seem to come up for sale a lot, but that might not be a 
high percentage of those sold. There might just be more of them, and more 
people active on the list. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif - Armistice Day

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 6:31:10 PM UTC-7 Justin, Oakland wrote:

> I wonder what the least resold Riv is? At least the smallest ratio or 
> percentage of resales to sales. Clearly the Riv Mountain is the least 
> resold. 
>
> -J
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Scott Calhoun]

I'm guess I'm a "Golden Ager" by default. 

I cut my cycling teeth riding Bridgetones that Grant designed, but my only 
Rivendell has been a blue 64cm Rambouillet that I found in semi-rough 
cosmetic shape at Bicas, our local co-op, earlier this year. I couldn't 
(and still can't) believe my luck. I test rode it with in the parking lot, 
and it was love at first pedal stroke. I climbed most of the high mountain 
roads in Arizona on it this summer, and it never let me down. Lively, 
predictable, comfortable, and just plain fun to ride. 

Scott Calhoun
Tucson, AZ

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Steve Cole]

We're a Golden Ager household in more ways than one.  We have a Toyo A. 
Homer Hilsen, a Simpleton converted to a 14-speed Rohloff drive, and a 
Betty Foy.  

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 7:55:34 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Justin, Oakland]

I wonder what the least resold Riv is? At least the smallest ratio or 
percentage of resales to sales. Clearly the Riv Mountain is the least resold. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Joe Bernard]

Oy, I'd love to find a 48 or 51 Hunqapillar in grey/kidney bean. If I'd known 
then that every one purchased would never be resold later... 

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Max Faingezicht]

I'm first fell in love with a 62 Sam Hillborne at Harris Cycler, so started 
as a *2TTer.* After that I went with a used AHH which became the one and 
now I have two new additional bikes in the works: a SimpleOne (bought from 
a forum member) which has been a joy to ride and an early version 
Hunqapillar that I got on ebay and I'm still setting up!

Too many bikes, too little time.

Max
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 7:55:34 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Richard Rios]

Great question!  I am a golden ager for sure.  Have an Atlantis, Rambo, and 
Simple 1.  Sold a Toyo Hilsen and have serious regrets about that one...

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> My favorite label haters are the No Labels group. They have a label. 

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Joe Bernard]

My favorite label haters are the No Labels group. They have a label. 

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

(So you're a label hater kind of guy;^)

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 5:04:57 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
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> I really hate & avoid labels, but I go way back to the late 80's and 
> especially the early 90's. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Patrick Moore]

I started with the XO-1, too but went road-ward and not dirt-ward. Odd,
I've always liked road riding as much as, or even better than dirt riding,
but I'd somehow become convinced that I wanted a 26" wheel bike for road
riding, and I had been riding drop bar-converted mountain bikes with road
tires and gearing instead of riding a real road bike; I don't now recall
all the details of this 26-for-700C equation.

But I did realize that, with skinny road tires (basically sub 2"), my
otherwise very nice mtbs didn't handle nicely, so when I read about the
XO-1 I liked, and when a local shop gave me a deal on a new '92 model minus
wheels, which I had, I bought. (They couldn't sell it otherwise.)

In '94, I asked Grant if he could make me a road bike like the XO-1 but
better, and he said, sure. My first 26" custom Riv Road was from Waterford;
2 other, and better ones, followed, and the rest, as they say, is history.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:25 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> My initial infatuation with bikes as a grownup started with the X0-1, so
> it's kinda ridiculous that I've never owned an Atlantis. I got close last
> week with the All Rounder that's for sale here, but couldn't quite bring
> myself to pay asking price. Someday!
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Joe Bernard]

My initial infatuation with bikes as a grownup started with the X0-1, so it's 
kinda ridiculous that I've never owned an Atlantis. I got close last week with 
the All Rounder that's for sale here, but couldn't quite bring myself to pay 
asking price. Someday!

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[masmojo]

I really hate & avoid labels, but I go way back to the late 80's and especially 
the early 90's. I very nearly bought an MB1(but, got a Klein Pinnacle instead), 
to this day I wish I'd gotten the Bridgestone, but I made up for it a couple 
years later when I bought my Violet XO-1. I continued to follow Rivendell after 
Bridestones departure and always lusted after one, but considering the XO-1 was 
basically the template for Rivendell, I never felt the need to make the jump.
3 years ago I finally admitted that after 20+ years of ownership my XO was 
actually too small. So when they introduced the Clems, I figured it was time to 
make the jump!
I got a Clementine, but it never fit the image of a Rivendell that I had in my 
mind so when an Atlantis frame popped up here at a price I couldn't pass up; I 
jumped on it! The Atlantis perfectly embodies everything I think of when I 
think of Rivendell. With Albastache bars, it's pretty the ultimate evolution of 
my old XO.

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Philip Williamson]

That bike looks great! I love the idea of measuring the bike's lifespan in 
paint jobs. 
The A/R is a Proto-Riv that keeps on delivering, and its lineage runs 
straight down through the Golden Age Atlantis (in my opinion). 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-7, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> This pretty well answers it. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/44796788671/in/dateposted/
>
> Still have it. On the third paint job. Owned maybe 20 bikes (all vintage) 
> in the intervening years but the AR is still here and still doing what it 
> does best: back roads camptouring. 
> It's unimprovable. 
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>>
>> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
>> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>>
>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
>> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
>> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
>> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>>
>>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>>Herons? 
>>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>>favorites? 
>>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>>and a Gus Bootster? 
>>
>> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
>> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
>> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
>> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>>
>> Philip 
>> Santa Rosa, CA 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[C.J. Filip]

Golden Ager.

Once owned: Atlantis, AHH.
Currently own: Saluki, Simpleone

Would like to find a Legolas!!



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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Justin, Oakland]

BUT BIKEPACKING AND FLAT PEDALS JUST HAPPENED AT INTERBIKE FOR THE FURST TIME

Beautiful bike. 
-J

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Craig Montgomery]

This pretty well answers it. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/44796788671/in/dateposted/

Still have it. On the third paint job. Owned maybe 20 bikes (all vintage) 
in the intervening years but the AR is still here and still doing what it 
does best: back roads camptouring. 
It's unimprovable. 

Craig in Tucson

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

This is great, Philip! Way to rule the internets! 

I came to Rivendell via B'Stone and iBOB, but from the dirty side. It 
started with my MB-2 purchased from Beverly Hills Bikes that was my go-to 
ride for many years. So my tastes were formed in the Proto era, but my 
finances didn't catch up till the Golden era when I was able to commission 
a Joe/Joe custom in 2001. I also had an original Bleriot (shoulda' kept 
that one), a second (used) '01 Joe/Joe custom, and have had three different 
Quickbeams. My wife had a Glorius, and I would still like to find a larger 
one for me! My tastes lean toward single top tubes and shorter stays, and 
would love to have a Legolas. 

But enough about me...


On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Kelly]

I love the more classic looking - Rambouillet, AHH (mine is 67cm single top 
tube), Quickbeam type looks.   Over the years the bigger bikes that fit me 
have gone by the wayside and I didn't buy the 69 AHH in time..  I do love 
my Bombadil for touring.  I sold the Ram, and Quickbeam and am down to my 
two bike AHH 67 and 64 Bomba. 
I may repaint the AHH some day but these two cover my riding needs here. 
 My wife has her Atlantis and Betty Foy - just sold her Roedeo -   I think 
my Bombadil has to much seat post - yet when loaded for touring it is nice 
for the large saddlesac over the rear panniers... but straps aren't long 
enough for just the rack.. 

Hard to explain but here are some of our bikes and places over the years.. 

https://www.kickstandphoto.com/Other/Bicycle/Our-Bikes-Over-Time/

Have a great day... 

Kelly




On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I came on the scene about 2011-12 by buying a used 55 Bleriot. My first 
Bleriot.
So that puts me into the *"No 650b tires available except for four models, 
two of which are out of production now, and no 650b tubes anywhere on the 
planet" era*. That was my perception at the time based on my first online 
searches for 650b tires. People in this group were very helpful in pointing 
me in the right direction for tires and tubes. It was like, at first 650b 
tire selection started, then briefly died, nowadays has exploded.
I came from a 700c riding so all the 650b stuff was new for me.

I remember how tough it was to decide on a tire for my first Riv (Bleriot) 
when there wasn't much around. None of the options fit my 700c road riding 
tire Specialized/Conti preferences (fast, puncture protected, all black). I 
rode Rumpkins and Swiftys. After that I pretty much settled on Panaracers 
(GB/Compass).

Now I am in the *"Marginalized loyal Riv-rider" era. ;)*
I have ridden only Rivendells ever since 2012.
I own only a Roadeo and Rambouillet now. I need lightweight/tubing bikes 
for my small stature and weak riding abilities. 8/5/8 and higher too much 
for me. But RBW doesn't seem into that anymore. They have moved into 
developing stout bikes now. Perhaps some lightweight flyers will return 
some day.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[James Warren]

The Chica Warrior bikes!-Original Message-
From: Philip Williamson 
Sent: Sep 28, 2018 10:13 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

Aha! All those Roscos were pretty experimental, and cut across the strata in interesting ways. The Arcana or Enigmatic Rivs would also include Patrick Moore's 26" wheeled road bikes, the Mystery Bike, and the custom fixed-gear mountain bike that caused such a stir several years ago. Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 7:16:20 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:Can we throw an 'Experimental' or 'Avant Garde' Epoch for the odd ball Rosco's and any other one off frames they've done ;) I love my Rosco Road.I was turned on during the AHH/Sam/Atlantis/Hunq days so that is where my heart lies, even though I don't have any of those (anymore). So a 2TTer. But I've always leaned toward the Golden Age and keep my eye out for an orange Ram (especially after seeing Evan's).



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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Drew Henson]

Golden Age'r. Catch is I've never actually owned a riv but my first is on 
it's way soon i hope (MIT AHH). i found riv around 2008-09. badly wanted an 
AHH or an atlantis, but those were out of the budget and i settled for a 
surly LHT. i wouldn't turn down a legolas, mostly due to the sweet seat 
tube decal. 

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[John Bokman]

Proto-Rivster for sure. 
I was in the IBOB with the paper leaflets. Had a MB-3 (I think it was?) 
from 1986. It was a really cool grey-gren color with some red in there in 
places.
Then I had an MB-2, purple, that i got in 1990, if memory serves. That one 
had a really quick front end that I never quite got used to. But it sure 
was fun for the off-roading I was doing at the time. Sold that in 1994 to 
get the X0-3 (supposedly the last one in Northern California in 55.5cm). 
This was the last year of the Bridgestone X0-3s. I rode that bike all over 
the place, from Off-roading (I put on 26x1.95" tires), to an ocassional 
Off-Road race, to some short tours, to road rides, and commuting. It was my 
only bike, and a great one although always a scooch too small for true road 
riding.  At the time, it was novel to be able to switch from 1.25" slicks 
to fatter knobbies all on the same bike! And using Moustache bars, I could 
get comfortable in several positions to suit my riding terrain. I still 
have that bike, currently being rebuilt for my daughter.

So I knew about Grant from the BOB group (I think I was number 3706, or 
maybe 3607 - I used to have the card, but have since lost it). Therefore, 
When Riv started,I lusted after the All-Rounder. It just seemed the perfect 
bike for me. But it was way out of my budget. Then I lusted after the 
Atlantis. For years and years. But it too was way out of my budget. I 
always lusted after the Road Standards, and the Long Low.

Years and years later, I finally got my Riv: a 2009, first-gen Sam, so 
officially, Im in the 2xTT era, although my 60cm did not have the 2xTT 
(which for me is a good thing, as I'm not smitten with the 2xTT). I rode 
the bike sucessfuly and mostly enjoyably for 7 years, but always felt it 
was too large a frame.I knew the bones were right, but it just didn't fit 
as well as I knew it could. So I sold the frame and got a 58, and swapped 
the parts over, and I'm happy as a clam. The Sam has proven to be my 
All-Rounder. It just is so comfortable, rides so well, does everything I 
ask of it. I could not imagine ever needing "more bike" for the riding I 
do. I could ride heavily loaded for thousands of miles. In fact, I'd vote 
for Sam as being their "touring bike" rather than the "country bike". In my 
estimation, it's plenty stout. I regularly carry heavy loads and it just 
rides like nobody's business...it's just a super fun, do-most workhorse of 
a bike. 

Having said all that...I still lust after the older models. As much as i 
love my Sam, aesthetically I prefer the straight-across top tube.  I'd love 
to find a Ram, or a Road Standard. I no longer need the All-Rounder or 
Atlantis, because I've got my Sam. 

On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 10:13:26 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Aha! All those Roscos were pretty experimental, and cut across the strata 
> in interesting ways. 
> The *Arcana* or *Enigmatic* Rivs would also include Patrick Moore's 26" 
> wheeled road bikes, the Mystery Bike, and the custom fixed-gear mountain 
> bike that caused such a stir several years ago. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>
>
> On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 7:16:20 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Can we throw an 'Experimental' or 'Avant Garde' Epoch for the odd ball 
>> Rosco's and any other one off frames they've done ;) I love my Rosco Road.
>>
>> I was turned on during the AHH/Sam/Atlantis/Hunq days so that is where my 
>> heart lies, even though I don't have any of those (anymore). So a 2TTer. 
>> But I've always leaned toward the Golden Age and keep my eye out for an 
>> orange Ram (especially after seeing Evan's).
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Philip Williamson]

Aha! All those Roscos were pretty experimental, and cut across the strata 
in interesting ways. 
The *Arcana* or *Enigmatic* Rivs would also include Patrick Moore's 26" 
wheeled road bikes, the Mystery Bike, and the custom fixed-gear mountain 
bike that caused such a stir several years ago. 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA 


On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 7:16:20 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Can we throw an 'Experimental' or 'Avant Garde' Epoch for the odd ball 
> Rosco's and any other one off frames they've done ;) I love my Rosco Road.
>
> I was turned on during the AHH/Sam/Atlantis/Hunq days so that is where my 
> heart lies, even though I don't have any of those (anymore). So a 2TTer. 
> But I've always leaned toward the Golden Age and keep my eye out for an 
> orange Ram (especially after seeing Evan's).
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Oh man. Philip, thank you for starting this thread. Made me smile 
throughout. Thank you.

Converging threads of history. Finding the treasure trove of info compiled 
by Sheldon Brown, as well as his copious continual sharing on 
REC:Bicycle:Tech and other usenet forums (kids, ask your parents or nerdy 
uncles).  At the same time, getting to work in the bicycle industry and 
having my mechanic sensei/boss hand me the first few RR's and say, "...you 
need to see what Grant is doing..." and then seeing a sage green Rivendell 
Road at one of the trade shows (not in an RBW booth - maybe Joe Bell's?) 
Can't quite recall anything other than the cacophony of the show dropping 
away and the bike just seeming to glow and hum. Gorgeous in it's simplicity 
against the backdrop of toothpaste-welds and gigantic downtubes. 

>From then, reading, learning, reading, meeting, visiting. Watching designs 
transitional, nascent and fully formed. Continuing to have confidence that 
nothing lands on a model without a lot of thought and hours spent testing. 
Most things of value look weird the first time you see them. And Seth G. 
said just last week about how if 2/3rds of your audience doesn't quite get 
it, then that's likely the right place to be working.

Rivendell has never sat comfortably inside the middle of any bell curve. 
And we're all the better for it. 

Thanks Grant!

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[cam starnes]

Like many, I would imagine, I first learned of Rivendell via the musings of 
the inimitable Sheldon Brown. I was in to fixed gear bikes at the time, on 
which subject Sheldon was of course a non-hipster (or maybe an O.G. 
Hipster?) fount of knowledge and expertise. RIP. I went from fixed to road 
to road with fenders and racks (Soma Stanyan - lugged head tube!) to an 80s 
Trek 720 to a pretty Riv-ified VO Campeur to a Clem Smith, Jr. and now a 
canti Sam Hillborne. Have always admired the old Atlantis above all. So, 
Clemster-cum-2TTer-wannabe-Golden-Ager?

On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 19:55:34 UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Tully Lanter]

Great thread! 

For sporty riding, the Quickbeam makes me a Golden Ager by default.

For utilitarian riding, rougher trails, and/or just cruising, I'd almost be 
certainly be a Clemster. In the spirit of scientific rigor, I should get 
one just to confirm...


On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Mark R.]

I am definitely a proto Riv guy.  I was riding lugged steel race bikes, and 
the fit was long top tube, lots of seat post, bars low.  I was at a swap 
meet and a guy gave me a Riv catalog.  Catalog #2.  Maybe one.  I liked 
what I read.  I read the article in Outside on Grant and his philosophy 
when he launched Riv, so I knew about the company.

Local shop had a Marinoni frameset, a little bigger than what I usually 
rode, could take 28 to 30 tires, and had eyelets.  Hmmm, nice frame with 
some good features.   I sold that to buy my first Riv, a Heron road, in 99, 
to see what the difference would be.  I was smitten, and put about 50k and 
lots of centuries on that bike.  In 2000, I ordered a Riv road, built by 
Joe Starck.  

Both bikes went to new homes, but my era is definitely born out of that 
time of B and W catalogs and Riv Readers in my mailbox.

Mark Rosenberg
SDCA

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-7, Dave Small wrote:
>
> I second (and third and fourth) the comments that this is a fun question. 
>  I thought about "Riv eras" recently although not quite in the terms 
> defined above---more in terms that Riv models seem to be moving away from 
> me now but there are several older models I'd still like to try.  
>
> I'm firmly in the Golden Ager camp.  I have a Homer, a Quickbeam, a 
> SimpleOne, a Frank Jones Sr, a Cheviot, and a couple of Sams.  Golden-Age 
> era models that I've never owned but am smitten with are the Saluki, the 
> Bleriot, the Ram, the Rodeo, and the MUSA Atlantis, and I may dabble in one 
> or two of those models but I need to strive for N-1, or at worst N+0, at 
> least for awhile.  Those wanna-dabble-in-'em models are sorta redundant to 
> models I own now, but that hasn't stopped me before.  
>
> I eschew double top tubes, so that's out.  And while I love the idea of 
> the Proto-Riv era, weren't they limited to thinner tires, like 28mm max in 
> some (or most) cases?  
>
> Dave
>
>
>   
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I second (and third and fourth) the comments that this is a fun question. 
 I thought about "Riv eras" recently although not quite in the terms 
defined above---more in terms that Riv models seem to be moving away from 
me now but there are several older models I'd still like to try.  

I'm firmly in the Golden Ager camp.  I have a Homer, a Quickbeam, a 
SimpleOne, a Frank Jones Sr, a Cheviot, and a couple of Sams.  Golden-Age 
era models that I've never owned but am smitten with are the Saluki, the 
Bleriot, the Ram, the Rodeo, and the MUSA Atlantis, and I may dabble in one 
or two of those models but I need to strive for N-1, or at worst N+0, at 
least for awhile.  Those wanna-dabble-in-'em models are sorta redundant to 
models I own now, but that hasn't stopped me before.  

I eschew double top tubes, so that's out.  And while I love the idea of the 
Proto-Riv era, weren't they limited to thinner tires, like 28mm max in some 
(or most) cases?  

Dave


  



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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[dstein]

Can we throw an 'Experimental' or 'Avant Garde' Epoch for the odd ball 
Rosco's and any other one off frames they've done ;) I love my Rosco Road.

I was turned on during the AHH/Sam/Atlantis/Hunq days so that is where my 
heart lies, even though I don't have any of those (anymore). So a 2TTer. 
But I've always leaned toward the Golden Age and keep my eye out for an 
orange Ram (especially after seeing Evan's).

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Julian Westerhout]

I'm straddling several eras -- definitely in the Golden Age, with a Ram and 
QB, have a Toyo Atlantis which spans the epochs, ride a Clem to work most 
days and love it, and enjoy our HHH (rode it 12 miles last night to and 
from a bike club social -- we were the only ones who actually  came by 
bike!). Would love a Hunq, and am intrigued by the Gus (but must admit its 
aesthetic appeal is, to my eyes, a taste yet to be acquired). 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[islaysteve]

I guess I'd have to say Golden Age with qualifications.  I was aware of Riv 
in 1995 when I was re-awakening to cycling, but I was a roadie/weight 
weenie then.  I appreciated the beauty of Rivs and Waterfords, but the 
price absolutely put them beyond my reach.  I ended up with a Performance 
lugged steel, 105-equipped road bike, later traded up to a Ti frame of same 
brand, and was happy as a clam for several years.  I became re-aware (is a 
word, no?) of Riv around 2010.  I embraced most of the Riv philosophy and 
soon fell in love with Sam Hillbornes.  Obsessed, lusted after one.  
Thrilled when Velouria of Lovely Bicycle got one and wrote extensively 
about it.  Started falling a bit out of love as the prices for the Sam not 
only increased, but became differentiated by size/country of manufacture.  
I am small (50/51/52), and felt penalized because those were made by 
Waterford and therefore more expensive.  I still believe that this was a 
poor decision by Riv, but whatever.  My ever-supportive wife gave the green 
light to a Sam frame in late 2010 despite the high cost.  I looked to eBay 
to see if I could get a break.  I almost bid on a Ram (in hindsight, I'm a 
bit sorry that I didn't), but then found a 51 cm Bleriot.  Perfect size but 
I had never heard of a Bleriot.  Quick research convinced me that this 
could the one.  Cut to the chase, I won the bit through deep pockets and a 
bit of strategy.  I had some financial leeway by then.  Paid a bit more 
than the original Bleriot retail, but still less than a new Sam.  Got the 
frame, loved it, built it up, and have been happily (if too infrequently) 
riding it ever since.  In reality, it is probably the perfect bike for me.

However, are we ever satisfied?  Since I've been riding mostly on the road, 
and mostly unladen, I thought it would be nice to build up a go-fast 
again.  Tried to do that with my Ti frame, even moving parts over from the 
Bleriot to do a quickie 650b conversion, but no dice.  I found that the Ti 
frame, with it's higher bottom bracket, is not longer comfortable for me 
(mounting/dismounting issues for an old man).  So the Bleriot has spoiled 
me and I'm not sorry.  Lum's recent posting about finding his forever bike 
in a Roadeo has me lusting for one.  If I could trade, or afford one, I 
would get a Roadeo.  But then I wouldn't have the allround versatility of 
the Bleriot.  I still have a bit of weight-weeniness in me.  I've 
considered putting a lighter saddle on the Bleriot and thus making the one 
cheap significant weight cut possible.  Anyway, the is my longwinded answer 
to the open-ended question.  Thanks for asking.  Cheers, Steve


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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Esteban]

Golden Era'er here. That's where my mind goes with Riv. I appreciate 
"Proto" with my Road Custom, which is just a classic road bike, and my Hunq 
would put me in admiration in 2TT'er era, as I think everyone should have a 
Hunq. 

But my Quickbeam is by far my favorite.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 This is one of the more entertaining threads for sure.  I'm glad that others 
also prefer the first wave of Riv bikes.  My original Road iis one of the 2 
best bikes I've owned.  The other is a '95 Waterford that has similar geometry 
in lighter tubing. (Riv used heavy wall Reynolds 753. Waterford stayed with 
very light stuff).  My Ram is also a wonderful bike and it is basically a 
Japanese made Long low.
Rich!  Let's let our bikes get together soon.  I'm just in MGM.
Bruce

On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 4:11:39 PM CDT, RichS 
 wrote:  
 
 This is a fun thread. I probably qualify as a "golden ager" in terms of years 
and my heart is with the classic Rivs. Currently riding an Atlantis and a Sam 
but have owned a Clem and a Roadeo so I have crossed over some boundaries. Hope 
to still be riding a Rivendell in my "golden, golden years"!
Best,Rich in ATL

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[RichS]

This is a fun thread. I probably qualify as a "golden ager" in terms of 
years and my heart is with the classic Rivs. Currently riding an Atlantis 
and a Sam but have owned a Clem and a Roadeo so I have crossed over some 
boundaries. Hope to still be riding a Rivendell in my "golden, golden 
years"!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-4, Addison wrote:
>
> The Allrounder...My era and still my only Riv.  Frankly, recent models are 
> less interesting to me but perhaps if I lived in the Walnut Creek area I 
> would think differently.  I still occasionally lust after a Legolas and the 
> Hunqapillar is a model I have a soft spot for.
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler 
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:41 AM Mike Godwin  > wrote:
>
>> Corrected Rivendell time scale, Rivendell age stages correctly presented. 
>> Requires Latin proofing by Dr. Moore.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
>>> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>>>
>>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
>>> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
>>> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
>>> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>>>
>>>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>>>Herons? 
>>>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>>>favorites? 
>>>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>>>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>>>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>>>and a Gus Bootster? 
>>>
>>> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
>>> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
>>> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
>>> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>>>
>>> Philip 
>>> Santa Rosa, CA 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Addison Wilhite]

The Allrounder...My era and still my only Riv.  Frankly, recent models are
less interesting to me but perhaps if I lived in the Walnut Creek area I
would think differently.  I still occasionally lust after a Legolas and the
Hunqapillar is a model I have a soft spot for.

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html

Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 



On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:41 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Corrected Rivendell time scale, Rivendell age stages correctly presented.
> Requires Latin proofing by Dr. Moore.
>
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson
> wrote:
>>
>> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or
>> aesthetic most appeals to list members?
>>
>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best?
>> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through
>> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early,
>> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now?
>>
>>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and
>>Herons?
>>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your
>>favorites?
>>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco?
>>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker,
>>and a Gus Bootster?
>>
>> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era
>> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in
>> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but
>> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive.
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Philip Williamson]

Precursor Era!

I have a 1999 Bontrager set up as you describe. 9/8 steerer, but still 
pretty short headtube. It's my fastest bike, faster than the LeMond with 
30mm GP2000s, but can still get into the dirt. The only thing I'd change 
would be to add a dropper post. I guess that would be a "cousin species" 
coexisting in the Golden Age? 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA


On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-7, Daniel M wrote:
>
> Prequel / Proto-proto / Embryo... There is nothing in Rivendell's current 
> lineup that excites me nearly as much as my 1993 Bridgestone MB-1 that I 
> converted to high flared drop bars (basically recreating the 1987 cockpit) 
> and shoed with extralight Compass tires. If I were to try to improve on 
> this design, I'd give it an up-sloping (and slightly shorter) top tube and 
> a longer head tube so it wouldn't need such a tall stem to get the bars so 
> high (NORBA geometry is long and low). I'd gladly accept TIG welds instead 
> of lugs, and I'd frankly prefer 1+1/8" threadless, but these are minor 
> nitpicks. The bike is athletic, lightweight, flexy in the right way, and 
> wonderfully quick on rough surfaces.
>
> If Riv were to re-design this bike today (they kinda just did), it would 
> have heavier tubing, super-long chainstays, and 650b wheels, none of which 
> would be improvements for me. There is something about the creative tension 
> of the Bridgestone bikes (racing-driven market forces vs. Grant-driven 
> practicality) that I love. It's why the Police and the Smiths are far 
> better bands than any of the solo projects that followed.
>
> Daniel M
> Berkeley, CA
>
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Ryan M.]

My first Riv was an orange canti post Hillborne that must have been some 
sort of prototype or something because it did not have a serial number on 
the bottom bracket. I bought the frame when they had some sale years ago, 
so I guess I'm in the double top tube category even though I'm too short to 
get a double top tube. That's about when I got back into biking after a 
decade of not and I found out about Rivendell. Prior to that I rode a '96 
specialized stumpjumper which I still have and a Trek FX, which was a 
really good bike.

Second Rivendell was a Roadeo, then an Atlantis, now all three are 
sold. This past year I purchased an Appaloosa and have set it up for gravel 
riding. My riding has changed over the years (first mtb, then road riding, 
and am now primarily a dirt rider)...I would really like a Bombadil. I 
should have bought one way back when. I'm all about the lugs if I'm buying 
an expensive bike, so if it doesn't have them I expect to pay less. I do 
dig the long chainstays for gravel riding and they aren't terrible on the 
singletrack I ride either. 

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson 
wrote:

> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Daniel M]

Prequel / Proto-proto / Embryo... There is nothing in Rivendell's current 
lineup that excites me nearly as much as my 1993 Bridgestone MB-1 that I 
converted to high flared drop bars (basically recreating the 1987 cockpit) and 
shoed with extralight Compass tires. If I were to try to improve on this 
design, I'd give it an up-sloping (and slightly shorter) top tube and a longer 
head tube so it wouldn't need such a tall stem to get the bars so high (NORBA 
geometry is long and low). I'd gladly accept TIG welds instead of lugs, and I'd 
frankly prefer 1+1/8" threadless, but these are minor nitpicks. The bike is 
athletic, lightweight, flexy in the right way, and wonderfully quick on rough 
surfaces.

If Riv were to re-design this bike today (they kinda just did), it would have 
heavier tubing, super-long chainstays, and 650b wheels, none of which would be 
improvements for me. There is something about the creative tension of the 
Bridgestone bikes (racing-driven market forces vs. Grant-driven practicality) 
that I love. It's why the Police and the Smiths are far better bands than any 
of the solo projects that followed.

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Philip Williamson]

I just re-read the chart. I had misread one Latin subspecies as "Nomine 
Horribilis," which I thought was funny-but-mean. 
"The Age of the Terrible Names" seemed like some scientific subjectivity 
right there. 

"Nomine Homonidus." 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 9:32:14 PM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> Here is a diagram to help you out. Patrick, please check my Latin. I 
> realized when I cropped the image the stages should be reversed, Raleighen 
> on the bottom, Specializian on top.
>
> Aetetateum Aureumous (*Monotubus sp.*) for me
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 9:18:34 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:
>
>> Golden age, especially the orange Rambouillet. And the Atlantis of that 
>> era. But I love all Rivendells, both yesterday and today.
>>
>> Evan
>> San Francisco, CA
>>
>>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Jeremy Till]

I discovered Rivendell during the Golden Age, and thus the first Rivs I 
desired were mainly Quickbeams and Rambouillets, but I also saw a lot of 
value in the "country bike" concept of the Saluki and Homer, and later 
built up a Surly LHT along those lines.  I couldn't afford my first Riv (a 
NOS Quickbeam) until well into the 2TT era, but I enjoyed that as well--I 
remember riding a Bombadil with the then-new Bullmoose bars on it at the 
same visit where I picked out my QB, and really liking the idea of a 
Rivendell 29'er mountain bike.  

When I finally got the QB built up and started playing around with 
different setups with it, it was right around the same time that Rivendell 
started exploring longer chainstays with the Proto-Appaloosa/"Mystery Bike" 
concepts.  I got to ride one of those and the whole thing immediately 
clicked for me.  That lead me to become an early Clem adopter ("Clemster" I 
guess) a few years later (my second Riv), and in kind of a mashup of that 
and the 2TT era my Clem ended up setup as mountain bike. Definitely 
considering a Gus now.  The QB and I didn't get on for one reason or 
another, so I passed it on but have kept the Clem around.  

While I love the feel and handling of the long chainstay designs, for the 
last three years my commute (my #1 most common bike ride these days) has 
involved a train with hanging bike racks.  A 59cm Clem requires some extra 
gymnastics while boarding that makes it a less-than-ideal everyday bike for 
me, so I've kept around my shorter chainstay, setup-as-a country bike Surly 
LHT mainly for that purpose. At the same time, the aesthetics of the Golden 
Era have always kind of stuck with me as kind of the pinnacle of good 
looking bikes, so I recently picked up my third Rivendell, a used 
Rambouillet.  It looks great and its shorter wheelbase also makes it a good 
backup/fun commuter for me.  

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I guess I'm a 2TTer by epoch, though I really didn't care for the double 
top tubes when I first saw them. Then we got to the diagatube which I 
couldn't tell if I liked or not but eventually settled on liking, and now 
we have the bridge truss curved second tubes, and I love those.  I got back 
into cycling as an adult in 2008 or 2009, quickly found Rivendell, and 
immediately lusted after their bikes even though I figured I'd never be 
able to afford one.  I was particularly drawn to the green Sam Hillborne, 
but also to EcoVelo's Orange one.  I ended up buying a number of used bikes 
(largely Bridgestones, Univegas, and old 3-speeds) but mostly rode my 1984 
Univega Gran Turismo with some Riv inspiration for parts and fit.  A couple 
months ago I got a great deal on a NOS green Sam Hillborne frame and that 
is now my favorite bike to the point where I am selling all my others 
except the Gran Turismo, which I may try to trade for a larger size bike of 
similar nature.

Also Mike Godwin, I love that diagram!

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[lconley]

Mostly a 2TTer.

First Riv was a 2TT Blue head tube Hillborne - sold  when I bought an 
orange metalflake 2TT Hillborne.

Also have a diagatube and tentacled Bombadil, diagatube and tentacled 
Mystery Bike / Protopaloosa, Roscoe Bubbe V1 frame number 7, Roscoe Bubbe 
Medium Mountain Mixte, Hubbuhubbuh, Clementine, Betty Foy, Frank Jones Sr., 
Roadini

And sometime next year - a Custom Rivendell.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[ascpgh]

While a "Golden Ager" in Rivendell ownership, marked by my Rambouillet, I 
was pre-proto as a Bridgestone dealer and owner with my RB-1, XO-2 and 
MB-0. Grant converted me to Riv and my orange Ram when I faced a custom 
need on a production schedule and he told me about them.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 7:55:34 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Golden ager for sure... My Saluki is exactly what a bike 'should' look and ride 
like to me.  Probably because that's what Just Ride told me! :)

I fully admire - and have financially supported with my only two new bike 
purchases - the Clem/HHH functionality.  Probably the two most useful bikes 
I'll ever own.  

If I could have Saluki tubing, geometry and equipment (fenders, racks, lights) 
frame sporting the Clem/HHH 2.35" tires I might be completely done.

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Drw]

I think I became a fan in the golden age,
But my first purchase was a hunq... then a 2tt sam. So maybe I’m that. Im 
probably that.

Then again, I now have a 2000 Toyota Atlantis and a 2017 musa Atlantis (they 
live hundreds of miles apart) and a Roscoe mixte with a crust cargo fork on it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Philip Williamson]

Oops. Heron was a brainfart for Homer!

Philip
Santa Rosa,CA

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Philip Williamson]

That’s awesome.
I love a good chart.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[James Warren]

I'd also like to suggest that 2TTer is a great name for the epoch whether one actually rides a frame with 2 two top tubes or not.-Original Message-
From: dougP 
Sent: Sep 26, 2018 7:54 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

Philip:I first hear of Rivendell when Adventure Cycling reviewed the Atlantis.  At that time I was researching touring bikes, finding bikes that needed changes to suit my needs.  The reviewer for Adventure Cycling wrote to the effect that "if you're looking for a purpose built touring bike with everything you need, this is it.  Rivendell allows the buyer to spec out lots of the parts so you can make it what you want."  That sold me.  The first time I saw a Rivendell in person was when I pulled my Atlantis out of the shipping box.  A half hour later, rolling down the road, I knew this was the bike.  15 years later it's still my ride 95% of time.  So to your question, probably Golden Age. How could you miss including the Atlantis in that group?  (insert righteously indignant huff here)dougPOn Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or aesthetic most appeals to list members? Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? Are you a "Proto-Riv" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and Herons? A "Golden Ager?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your favorites? Or are you a "2TTer," a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?A "Clemster" and a Rosco? Have you become a "New Atlantean?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, and a Gus Bootster? Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. Philip Santa Rosa, CA 



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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[James Warren]

Oh, sorry, I was presumptuous in suggesting to DougP that you had a typo. Sorry 
about that.

However, I do think Atlantis does belong in Golden Age.

AND also deserves to be the namesake of the New Atlantean Epoch. That's how 
special the Atlantis is. There was a time (99-2000) when it was almost the only 
game in town for that style of bike. In the larger sizes, Riv went ahead with 
it in 700C, and that scared some of us who worried about tire selection. "We 
want real 2-inchers, not weak 700C hybrid 'sort of fatties'". A "29er market" 
wasn't a thing that people said yet, but Riv went ahead anyway, saying "Hey, 
the 700C wide tire offerings will get better." Rivendell deserves a lot of 
credit for that. I think of the Atlantis as the start of the Golden Age. It's 
been over 18 years since it came out, and bikes have been incredibly fun in 
that time.


-Original Message-
>From: Philip Williamson 
>Sent: Sep 26, 2018 8:54 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?
>
>I left out the Atlantis because it spans epochs! Not so much the coelocanth as 
>an aurochs, only recently superseded. 
>
>Philip
>Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[James Warren]

(Doug, he wouldn't have forgotten Atlantis. I have a feeling he typed "Heron" with Golden Age, where he meant to type Atlantis, since Heron was already included with the protos.)Anyway, I'm a 2TTer. I had been a Golden Ager, but when I first rode my Hunq in early '13 with its Big Bens and swept back bars and found that I was just as swift on pavement and climbed as good as ever on dirt, there was no turning back. And the 2TT HIllborne might even be better.But if I were starting anew now, I'd get that new Atlantis with its lugs, curvy 2nd tube, Taiwan awesomeness and absolute beauty and not give it a second thought.-Jim W. (who was a Bridgestone nut since 1991 and joined Riv in year 1, but didn't get my first Riv bike until 2001 Atlantis)-Original Message-
From: dougP 
Sent: Sep 26, 2018 7:54 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

Philip:I first hear of Rivendell when Adventure Cycling reviewed the Atlantis.  At that time I was researching touring bikes, finding bikes that needed changes to suit my needs.  The reviewer for Adventure Cycling wrote to the effect that "if you're looking for a purpose built touring bike with everything you need, this is it.  Rivendell allows the buyer to spec out lots of the parts so you can make it what you want."  That sold me.  The first time I saw a Rivendell in person was when I pulled my Atlantis out of the shipping box.  A half hour later, rolling down the road, I knew this was the bike.  15 years later it's still my ride 95% of time.  So to your question, probably Golden Age. How could you miss including the Atlantis in that group?  (insert righteously indignant huff here)dougPOn Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or aesthetic most appeals to list members? Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? Are you a "Proto-Riv" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and Herons? A "Golden Ager?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your favorites? Or are you a "2TTer," a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?A "Clemster" and a Rosco? Have you become a "New Atlantean?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, and a Gus Bootster? Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. Philip Santa Rosa, CA 



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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Mark Schneider]

I got my Homer in 2011, missed out on the early epochs. I also have a MUSA 
Atlantis II, but I'd love an older Mixte some day. I really love the early 
models, they'll always be the true Rivendell's. I have to admit I never saw 
the need of twin top tubes, especially in stout steel tubing. I also don't 
get the crazy xtra long chain stays but having never ridden them I'm 
keeping my mind open. The new Cheviot is MHO one of the classiest frames 
ever made, so I might have to get up to Walnut Creek soon...

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Evan E.]

Golden age, especially the orange Rambouillet. And the Atlantis of that 
era. But I love all Rivendells, both yesterday and today.

Evan
San Francisco, CA

 

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[dougP]

NOW I understand.  Thanks for clearifying, Philip.

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 8:54:21 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> I left out the Atlantis because it spans epochs! Not so much the 
> coelocanth as an aurochs, only recently superseded. 
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Philip Williamson]

I left out the Atlantis because it spans epochs! Not so much the coelocanth as 
an aurochs, only recently superseded. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I didn't learn about Rivendell until 2011 and the bikes that appeal the 
most to me were already around:  Bombadil, Hunqapillar and 26" wheel 
Atlantis.  I don't care for the double top-tubes and my sizes in those 
bikes (at least the prototype Bombadil) are all single top-tubers.   



On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Joe Bunik]

Mongoloid

On 9/26/18, dougP  wrote:
> Philip:
>
> I first hear of Rivendell when Adventure Cycling reviewed the Atlantis.  At
>
> that time I was researching touring bikes, finding bikes that needed
> changes to suit my needs.  The reviewer for Adventure Cycling wrote to the
> effect that "if you're looking for a purpose built touring bike with
> everything you need, this is it.  Rivendell allows the buyer to spec out
> lots of the parts so you can make it what you want."  That sold me.  The
> first time I saw a Rivendell in person was when I pulled my Atlantis out of
>
> the shipping box.  A half hour later, rolling down the road, I knew this
> was the bike.  15 years later it's still my ride 95% of time.
>
> So to your question, probably Golden Age. How could you miss including the
> Atlantis in that group?  (insert righteously indignant huff here)
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson
> wrote:
>>
>> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or
>> aesthetic most appeals to list members?
>>
>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best?
>> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through
>> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive
>> early,
>> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now?
>>
>>
>>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and
>>Herons?
>>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your
>>favorites?
>>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco?
>>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker,
>>and a Gus Bootster?
>>
>> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era
>> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in
>>
>> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but
>>
>> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive.
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[dougP]

Philip:

I first hear of Rivendell when Adventure Cycling reviewed the Atlantis.  At 
that time I was researching touring bikes, finding bikes that needed 
changes to suit my needs.  The reviewer for Adventure Cycling wrote to the 
effect that "if you're looking for a purpose built touring bike with 
everything you need, this is it.  Rivendell allows the buyer to spec out 
lots of the parts so you can make it what you want."  That sold me.  The 
first time I saw a Rivendell in person was when I pulled my Atlantis out of 
the shipping box.  A half hour later, rolling down the road, I knew this 
was the bike.  15 years later it's still my ride 95% of time.  

So to your question, probably Golden Age. How could you miss including the 
Atlantis in that group?  (insert righteously indignant huff here)

dougP

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Kieran J]

Goldie right here. Love my orange 68 Ram, despite its shortcomings. I'd add 
a 67cm sage green Legolas if I could..
I could also backwards-compute to a protozoa and accept a 700c All-Rounder 
with that dead sexy headbadge. Yes please!

KJ
 

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Dave Grossman]

2TTer...have a diagatube Hunq.   Love double top tubes.  

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