[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch sale in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US. It was an engagement/wedding present. She loved the bike and rode it lots. Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day. It was locked up in front of the building when a lady apparently confused the brake and gas pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who knows). The car surged over the curb directly at the front windows of a beauty parlor on the first floor, ran over the bike and the sign to which it was locked, was diverted by this the accelerated down the sidewalk parallel to the building until it struck a tree. You could see where she continued to spin the wheels until the car died. No one was hurt but several people- the driver, the beauticians and their customers were of course terrified. The bike was destroyed. Every tube was bent except the head tube. The wheels were mangled. Almost nothing was salvageable. The driver's insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal with (and lost our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a result). My wife was distraught, not only for the bike itself but also its meaning. Here's why I tell about the tragedy. I replaced the bike with a Heron Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a friend's shop and sneaking it into the house while we were out on Christmas Eve with the help of neighbors. She was shocked and delighted and, more than 10 years later, rides the Heron lots. But when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell and examined it closely and compared the two frames, I realized something about the XO-1. It was crude. The lugs were not attractive. They were not filed or thinned. Tube mitering was not good. The brazing was sloppy and incomplete around the BB shell. The paint was not well done. The Heron was a *vastly* better made frame. My nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike vanished (although my nostalgia for what it meant- it was basically our engagement ring- remains). The XO-1 is an iconic bike. It's a unique moment in bike history with nothing really like it before or since from a major manufacturer. But there are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell has a lot of 'em). For the price these go for on eBay, I'd rather buy a better bike with that money. So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low. I'd pay maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition. Obviously I won't be winning any auctions... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
Tim- Couldn't agree more, "nostalgia" should have its own ticker on Wall Street with the crazed feeding it imparts. Any wonder that N[ew]O[ld]S[tock] shares the same opening 3 letters with NOStalgia? Thinking your post should be a Cut-n-Paste into the XO's eBay listing. ;-) -Scott On May 13, 12:29 pm, Tim McNamara wrote: > I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch > sale in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US. It > was an engagement/wedding present. She loved the bike and rode it > lots. Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day. It was > locked up in front of the building when a lady apparently confused > the brake and gas pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who > knows). The car surged over the curb directly at the front windows > of a beauty parlor on the first floor, ran over the bike and the sign > to which it was locked, was diverted by this the accelerated down the > sidewalk parallel to the building until it struck a tree. You could > see where she continued to spin the wheels until the car died. No > one was hurt but several people- the driver, the beauticians and > their customers were of course terrified. > > The bike was destroyed. Every tube was bent except the head tube. > The wheels were mangled. Almost nothing was salvageable. The > driver's insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal > with (and lost our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a > result). My wife was distraught, not only for the bike itself but > also its meaning. > > Here's why I tell about the tragedy. I replaced the bike with a > Heron Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a > friend's shop and sneaking it into the house while we were out on > Christmas Eve with the help of neighbors. She was shocked and > delighted and, more than 10 years later, rides the Heron lots. But > when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell and examined it > closely and compared the two frames, I realized something about the > XO-1. > > It was crude. The lugs were not attractive. They were not filed or > thinned. Tube mitering was not good. The brazing was sloppy and > incomplete around the BB shell. The paint was not well done. The > Heron was a *vastly* better made frame. My nostalgia for the XO-1 as > a bike vanished (although my nostalgia for what it meant- it was > basically our engagement ring- remains). > > The XO-1 is an iconic bike. It's a unique moment in bike history > with nothing really like it before or since from a major > manufacturer. But there are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell > has a lot of 'em). For the price these go for on eBay, I'd rather > buy a better bike with that money. > > So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low. I'd > pay maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition. Obviously I won't be > winning any auctions... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
Just a few years ago I would probably have been bidding, but my 'level' has dropped significantly. If I found one at a yard sale or the like I would sure buy it, but I am no longer looking for any older bikes. K On May 13, 3:45 pm, Murray Love wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: > > I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch sale > > in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US. It was an > > engagement/wedding present. She loved the bike and rode it lots. > > Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day. It was locked up in > > front of the building when a lady apparently confused the brake and gas > > pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who knows). The car surged > > over the curb directly at the front windows of a beauty parlor on the first > > floor, ran over the bike and the sign to which it was locked, was diverted > > by this the accelerated down the sidewalk parallel to the building until it > > struck a tree. You could see where she continued to spin the wheels until > > the car died. No one was hurt but several people- the driver, the > > beauticians and their customers were of course terrified. > > > The bike was destroyed. Every tube was bent except the head tube. The > > wheels were mangled. Almost nothing was salvageable. The driver's > > insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal with (and lost > > our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a result). My wife was > > distraught, not only for the bike itself but also its meaning. > > > Here's why I tell about the tragedy. I replaced the bike with a Heron Road > > with full Superbe, building it up over months at a friend's shop and > > sneaking it into the house while we were out on Christmas Eve with the help > > of neighbors. She was shocked and delighted and, more than 10 years later, > > rides the Heron lots. But when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell > > and examined it closely and compared the two frames, I realized something > > about the XO-1. > > > It was crude. The lugs were not attractive. They were not filed or > > thinned. Tube mitering was not good. The brazing was sloppy and incomplete > > around the BB shell. The paint was not well done. The Heron was a *vastly* > > better made frame. My nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike vanished (although > > my nostalgia for what it meant- it was basically our engagement ring- > > remains). > > > The XO-1 is an iconic bike. It's a unique moment in bike history with > > nothing really like it before or since from a major manufacturer. But there > > are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell has a lot of 'em). For the price > > these go for on eBay, I'd rather buy a better bike with that money. > > > So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low. I'd pay > > maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition. Obviously I won't be winning any > > auctions... > > Agreed 100%. I had a 1993 XO-3 (lugged, Japan-made, same geometry as the > XO-1 with slightly heavier triple-butted tubing). Actually, I had two, and > broke both in exactly the same way: BB shell broke at the base of the > seat-tube lug. > > I enjoyed the bike well enough for a while--it was my first attempt at an > allroad bike, and I built it up from the frame with my own selection of > components--but I've ridden much nicer production bikes since then, my 1984 > Sequoia foremost among them. The XO-3 was very stiff and seemed to transmit > even the smallest road vibrations directly into my body, even with 1.75" > tires at 75psi (this was long before my eye-opening experience with 650B > tires at 55psi). > > I also had a '92 RB-1, which I miss far more than the XO-3. Even with 28mm > tires at 95psi, it rode much smoother than the XO-3, and just had a springy > want-to-go-FAST feel entirely lacking in the other bike. > > So, like Tim, I have very little nostalgia for the XOs, except as a > praiseworthy attempt to do something completely different in production > bikes. > > If any Bridgestone could tempt me these days, it would be the '92-'94 RB-T, > which has very similar geometry to my Sequoia. And no, I wouldn't go for > the nostalgia build--it would be the normal mix of old and new stuff I have > lying around: TA or AT cranks, modern Shimano 9-speed drivetrain, Ergo > brifters, BMX pedals, etc. > > Murray > Victoria, BC > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
Probably a lot of these eBay bikes benefit from actual collector bike price spill over. People see a 1973 Masi, an authentic Herse, a Singer made by Singer, or an old Eisentraut go for a bundle on line. Rather than focus on the bike pedigree, they focus on steel lugs and age. The psychology is understandable. As a result the buyers are either paying too much for a riding bike or making a bad investment in what most likely will never be a collectible. On May 13, 3:02 pm, Kris wrote: > Just a few years ago I would probably have been bidding, but my > 'level' has dropped significantly. If I found one at a yard sale or > the like I would sure buy it, but I am no longer looking for any older > bikes. > > K > > On May 13, 3:45 pm, Murray Love wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: > > > I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch sale > > > in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US. It was an > > > engagement/wedding present. She loved the bike and rode it lots. > > > Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day. It was locked up > > > in > > > front of the building when a lady apparently confused the brake and gas > > > pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who knows). The car surged > > > over the curb directly at the front windows of a beauty parlor on the > > > first > > > floor, ran over the bike and the sign to which it was locked, was diverted > > > by this the accelerated down the sidewalk parallel to the building until > > > it > > > struck a tree. You could see where she continued to spin the wheels until > > > the car died. No one was hurt but several people- the driver, the > > > beauticians and their customers were of course terrified. > > > > The bike was destroyed. Every tube was bent except the head tube. The > > > wheels were mangled. Almost nothing was salvageable. The driver's > > > insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal with (and lost > > > our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a result). My wife was > > > distraught, not only for the bike itself but also its meaning. > > > > Here's why I tell about the tragedy. I replaced the bike with a Heron > > > Road > > > with full Superbe, building it up over months at a friend's shop and > > > sneaking it into the house while we were out on Christmas Eve with the > > > help > > > of neighbors. She was shocked and delighted and, more than 10 years > > > later, > > > rides the Heron lots. But when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell > > > and examined it closely and compared the two frames, I realized something > > > about the XO-1. > > > > It was crude. The lugs were not attractive. They were not filed or > > > thinned. Tube mitering was not good. The brazing was sloppy and > > > incomplete > > > around the BB shell. The paint was not well done. The Heron was a > > > *vastly* > > > better made frame. My nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike vanished (although > > > my nostalgia for what it meant- it was basically our engagement ring- > > > remains). > > > > The XO-1 is an iconic bike. It's a unique moment in bike history with > > > nothing really like it before or since from a major manufacturer. But > > > there > > > are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell has a lot of 'em). For the > > > price > > > these go for on eBay, I'd rather buy a better bike with that money. > > > > So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low. I'd pay > > > maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition. Obviously I won't be winning > > > any > > > auctions... > > > Agreed 100%. I had a 1993 XO-3 (lugged, Japan-made, same geometry as the > > XO-1 with slightly heavier triple-butted tubing). Actually, I had two, and > > broke both in exactly the same way: BB shell broke at the base of the > > seat-tube lug. > > > I enjoyed the bike well enough for a while--it was my first attempt at an > > allroad bike, and I built it up from the frame with my own selection of > > components--but I've ridden much nicer production bikes since then, my 1984 > > Sequoia foremost among them. The XO-3 was very stiff and seemed to transmit > > even the smallest road vibrations directly into my body, even with 1.75" > > tires at 75psi (this was long before my eye-opening experience with 650B > > tires at 55psi). > > > I also had a '92 RB-1, which I miss far more than the XO-3. Even with 28mm > > tires at 95psi, it rode much smoother than the XO-3, and just had a springy > > want-to-go-FAST feel entirely lacking in the other bike. > > > So, like Tim, I have very little nostalgia for the XOs, except as a > > praiseworthy attempt to do something completely different in production > > bikes. > > > If any Bridgestone could tempt me these days, it would be the '92-'94 RB-T, > > which has very similar geometry to my Sequoia. And no, I wouldn't go for > > the nostalgia build--it would be the normal mix of old and new st
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
I almost think the 1992 XO-1 represents an even bolder break from the status quo, in that it had sidepull brakes. I saw a 1993 XO-2 on flickr that was completely resurrected with Riv Resurrectio decals. That's a pretty bike. Was it a forum member? On May 13, 2:13 pm, James Warren wrote: > I think an XO-1 in excellent condition is worth $1700 to me...or thereabouts. > > -Jim W. > > > > -Original Message- > >From: William > >Sent: May 13, 2010 11:31 AM > >To: RBW Owners Bunch > >Subject: [RBW] What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia? > > >I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on > >a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag... > > >I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see > >people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike. Of > >course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even > >more, a lot more, but still. > > >The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text > >"Rivendell fans rejoice!". The vibe I have gotten from my short time > >on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for > >the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going > >for $1500 to $2000. I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing > >at the availability of that particular XO-1 either. Sure, some of us > >own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine. > > >So, I guess my question is: Do you keep your eyes out for > >Bridgestones? Which one(s) do you look for? What would you pay > >relative to retail to get one? Would you restore it, or resurrect it > >into something else? > > >For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992 > >basically unridden for $600. I bought it and keep it at a vacation > >place where the riding is flat. I'm happy I did. The XO that I am > >nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops. It's long gone > >but I'd love to get another one of those. I'd probably pay $400 for > >that or a 1994 XO-3. I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last > >month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing > >nearly everything on it. > > >-- > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >"RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >For more options, visit this group > >athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
It's probably a good thing I'm married and have the requisite "there's no way you're spending that much money on a bike you won't ride" limiter inherent in such arrangements. Even though I mostly ride a recumbent now (Riv pedals, clothes & bell), I have huge nostalgia for XO-1s, and would pay stupid money for one. I love the orange of the '93, but the original white '92 with sidepulls is probably the one I would pop for. A CB-Zip, or replacement for my stolen '94 XO-3, would be nice, too. On May 13, 3:06 pm, James Warren wrote: > When I got mine, I was guilty of the nostalgia a bit, but since I've owned > it, it's worth to me has come not from its craftsmanship, but its > functionality. I have an Atlantis, and the XO-1's versatility has definitely > competed with the Atlantis's. > > -Jim W. > > > > > > -Original Message- > >From: Tim McNamara > >Sent: May 13, 2010 12:29 PM > >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > >Subject: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia? > > >I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch > >sale in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US. It > >was an engagement/wedding present. She loved the bike and rode it > >lots. Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day. It was > >locked up in front of the building when a lady apparently confused > >the brake and gas pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who > >knows). The car surged over the curb directly at the front windows > >of a beauty parlor on the first floor, ran over the bike and the sign > >to which it was locked, was diverted by this the accelerated down the > >sidewalk parallel to the building until it struck a tree. You could > >see where she continued to spin the wheels until the car died. No > >one was hurt but several people- the driver, the beauticians and > >their customers were of course terrified. > > >The bike was destroyed. Every tube was bent except the head tube. > >The wheels were mangled. Almost nothing was salvageable. The > >driver's insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal > >with (and lost our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a > >result). My wife was distraught, not only for the bike itself but > >also its meaning. > > >Here's why I tell about the tragedy. I replaced the bike with a > >Heron Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a > >friend's shop and sneaking it into the house while we were out on > >Christmas Eve with the help of neighbors. She was shocked and > >delighted and, more than 10 years later, rides the Heron lots. But > >when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell and examined it > >closely and compared the two frames, I realized something about the > >XO-1. > > >It was crude. The lugs were not attractive. They were not filed or > >thinned. Tube mitering was not good. The brazing was sloppy and > >incomplete around the BB shell. The paint was not well done. The > >Heron was a *vastly* better made frame. My nostalgia for the XO-1 as > >a bike vanished (although my nostalgia for what it meant- it was > >basically our engagement ring- remains). > > >The XO-1 is an iconic bike. It's a unique moment in bike history > >with nothing really like it before or since from a major > >manufacturer. But there are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell > >has a lot of 'em). For the price these go for on eBay, I'd rather > >buy a better bike with that money. > > >So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low. I'd > >pay maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition. Obviously I won't be > >winning any auctions... > > >-- > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >"RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >For more options, visit this group > >athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
Mine is - none whatsoever. By that time ('92-'95), I was out of
cycling with serious hand issues. It also did not help that the local
Bridgestone dealer was a store I preferred to not patronize.
I do see them out there in the Twin Cities, and appreciate the bike
for what it (and the other models) stood for. But not really
interested in buying one.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On May 13, 6:10�pm, Joe Bernard wrote:
> It's probably a good thing I'm married and have the requisite "there's
> no way you're spending that much money on a bike you won't ride"
> limiter inherent in such arrangements. Even though I mostly ride a
> recumbent now (Riv pedals, clothes & bell), I have huge nostalgia for
> XO-1s, and would pay stupid money for one. I love the orange of the
> '93, but the original white '92 with sidepulls is probably the one I
> would pop for. A CB-Zip, or replacement for my stolen '94 XO-3, would
> be nice, too.
>
> On May 13, 3:06�pm, James Warren wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > When I got mine, I was guilty of the nostalgia a bit, but since I've owned
> > it, it's worth to me has come not from its craftsmanship, but its
> > functionality. I have an Atlantis, and the XO-1's versatility has
> > definitely competed with the Atlantis's.
>
> > -Jim W.
>
> > -----Original Message-
> > >From: Tim McNamara
> > >Sent: May 13, 2010 12:29 PM
> > >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > >Subject: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
>
> > >I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch �
> > >sale in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US. �It �
> > >was an engagement/wedding present. �She loved the bike and rode it �
> > >lots. �Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day. �It was �
> > >locked up in front of the building when a lady apparently confused �
> > >the brake and gas pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who �
> > >knows). �The car surged over the curb directly at the front windows �
> > >of a beauty parlor on the first floor, ran over the bike and the sign �
> > >to which it was locked, was diverted by this the accelerated down the �
> > >sidewalk parallel to the building until it struck a tree. �You could �
> > >see where she continued to spin the wheels until the car died. �No �
> > >one was hurt but several people- the driver, the beauticians and �
> > >their customers were of course terrified.
>
> > >The bike was destroyed. �Every tube was bent except the head tube. �
> > >The wheels were mangled. �Almost nothing was salvageable. �The �
> > >driver's insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal �
> > >with (and lost our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a �
> > >result). �My wife was distraught, not only for the bike itself but �
> > >also its meaning.
>
> > >Here's why I tell about the tragedy. �I replaced the bike with a �
> > >Heron Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a �
> > >friend's shop and sneaking it into the house while we were out on �
> > >Christmas Eve with the help of neighbors. �She was shocked and �
> > >delighted and, more than 10 years later, rides the Heron lots. �But �
> > >when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell and examined it �
> > >closely and compared the two frames, I realized something about the �
> > >XO-1.
>
> > >It was crude. �The lugs were not attractive. �They were not filed or �
> > >thinned. �Tube mitering was not good. �The brazing was sloppy and �
> > >incomplete around the BB shell. �The paint was not well done. �The �
> > >Heron was a *vastly* better made frame. �My nostalgia for the XO-1 as �
> > >a bike vanished (although my nostalgia for what it meant- it was �
> > >basically our engagement ring- remains).
>
> > >The XO-1 is an iconic bike. �It's a unique moment in bike history �
> > >with nothing really like it before or since from a major �
> > >manufacturer. �But there are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell �
> > >has a lot of 'em). �For the price these go for on eBay, I'd rather �
> > >buy a better bike with that money.
>
> > >So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low. �I'd �
> > >pay maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition. �Obviously I won't be �
> > >winning any auctions...
>
> > >--
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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
I wanted one badly when they came out. It was the time I was getting into serious riding and, wow, I wanted a 59cm orange one just like the one in the auction! Didn't have the money then, passed on a chance around 2000 to buy a NOS frame and fork for $400 (seemed too expensive, now I wish I'd sprung for it). I'd still love to own one, but I'd buy that Canti-Rom also on ebay right now for a bit more today without question. I'd be happy to drop $2-300 on a cool Bridgestone bike if I found one. I'd build it as a vintage rider (RB-1 or RB-2, a tall-framed MB-1 or 2, a cool XO of some kind, etc.), but I'd do the same for many cool late 80s and early 90s Japanese built bikes and would surely buy an early Specialized Allez or Sequoia just as fast (especially those first years when they were built by 3rensho!). swen (looking for an early Allez or Sequoia in 59 or 60cm) On May 13, 2:31 pm, William wrote: > I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on > a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag... > > I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see > people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike. Of > course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even > more, a lot more, but still. > > The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text > "Rivendell fans rejoice!". The vibe I have gotten from my short time > on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for > the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going > for $1500 to $2000. I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing > at the availability of that particular XO-1 either. Sure, some of us > own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine. > > So, I guess my question is: Do you keep your eyes out for > Bridgestones? Which one(s) do you look for? What would you pay > relative to retail to get one? Would you restore it, or resurrect it > into something else? > > For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992 > basically unridden for $600. I bought it and keep it at a vacation > place where the riding is flat. I'm happy I did. The XO that I am > nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops. It's long gone > but I'd love to get another one of those. I'd probably pay $400 for > that or a 1994 XO-3. I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last > month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing > nearly everything on it. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
My nostalgia is at this level: http://www.flickr.com/photos/theginz/3560678107/in/set-72157618745798282/ I think that the exuberence for the '93 XO-1 is held mainly by the urban bike nerd. Having personally ridden a m'stach bar, bikes equipped with Rivendell-supplied parts, and an orange frame or two, my lust for the XO-1 is pretty low. I certainly do not lust for the loose bearing bottom bracket and squealing Dia Compe 986 canti's of my XO-2. I still say that if the XO's were not orange, the exuberence would be far, far, far lower. Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge XO fan. But, for my money, I'm headed for Hunqapillar-ville. For now, my XO-2 rests comfortably in the basement. Ginz On May 13, 2:31 pm, William wrote: > I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on > a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag... > > I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see > people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike. Of > course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even > more, a lot more, but still. > > The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text > "Rivendell fans rejoice!". The vibe I have gotten from my short time > on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for > the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going > for $1500 to $2000. I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing > at the availability of that particular XO-1 either. Sure, some of us > own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine. > > So, I guess my question is: Do you keep your eyes out for > Bridgestones? Which one(s) do you look for? What would you pay > relative to retail to get one? Would you restore it, or resurrect it > into something else? > > For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992 > basically unridden for $600. I bought it and keep it at a vacation > place where the riding is flat. I'm happy I did. The XO that I am > nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops. It's long gone > but I'd love to get another one of those. I'd probably pay $400 for > that or a 1994 XO-3. I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last > month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing > nearly everything on it. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
I hear ya, Ginz. I got hold of a '92 Bstone catalog (still have 92-93-94) and fell in love with the XO-1 mostly because of those M- bars. I ended up with a '94 XO-3 when they closed their doors...and hated those bars with a passion. I still think they're gorgeous..as long as I don't have to touch them. On May 13, 11:56 am, Ginz wrote: > My nostalgia is at this level: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/theginz/3560678107/in/set-72157618745798... > > I think that the exuberence for the '93 XO-1 is held mainly by the > urban bike nerd. Having personally ridden a m'stach bar, bikes > equipped with Rivendell-supplied parts, and an orange frame or two, my > lust for the XO-1 is pretty low. I certainly do not lust for the > loose bearing bottom bracket and squealing Dia Compe 986 canti's of my > XO-2. > > I still say that if the XO's were not orange, the exuberence would be > far, far, far lower. > > Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge XO fan. But, for my money, I'm headed > for Hunqapillar-ville. For now, my XO-2 rests comfortably in the > basement. > > Ginz > > On May 13, 2:31 pm, William wrote: > > > > > > > I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on > > a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag... > > > I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see > > people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike. Of > > course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even > > more, a lot more, but still. > > > The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text > > "Rivendell fans rejoice!". The vibe I have gotten from my short time > > on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for > > the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going > > for $1500 to $2000. I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing > > at the availability of that particular XO-1 either. Sure, some of us > > own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine. > > > So, I guess my question is: Do you keep your eyes out for > > Bridgestones? Which one(s) do you look for? What would you pay > > relative to retail to get one? Would you restore it, or resurrect it > > into something else? > > > For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992 > > basically unridden for $600. I bought it and keep it at a vacation > > place where the riding is flat. I'm happy I did. The XO that I am > > nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops. It's long gone > > but I'd love to get another one of those. I'd probably pay $400 for > > that or a 1994 XO-3. I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last > > month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing > > nearly everything on it. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
I think bike lust is great. I think paying prices above and beyond sometimes are fine. If it's something maybe you wanted at one time but could never find or afford go for it. I also think "mystique" is generally bs. I would be more apt to re-buy a bike I had based on my history or experience with it over something because it's a mythical beast. All of that is subjective based on the price of admission however. If I was offered an XO-1(which I have not owned) and say a Klein Adroit (which I have) for silly cheap money, I would take the XO. As for nostalgia regarding the XO? My best experience with one was chatting with an original owner about his bike and the adventures he took on it. He had zero idea about it's cult following nor escalating prices, he just loves riding it. And ride it he does. His mileage made me feel real sissy. My nostalgic voice tells me to ride more! http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/4474700190_071e2121dd.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
About a year ago I passed on a RB1 for $100. It was all original, my size, and had seen about 1000 miles total. It was red, forget the year and size but it must have been around a 55 cuz it fit me. I was in high school when B-stone closed, so the bikes were never part of my cycling past. To me, they are pretty much old bikes, nice old bikes, but old bikes. If I had the chance to buy it again, would I? Yeah, but only to try to get it to someone who would appreciate what it was and ride the heck out it. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
In my opinion, it's an entry level path into the Rivendell world. Sure the lugs aren't as pretty and crude compared to a new Riv, but I picked up my xo-1 for $300, complete. I'm also not worried when I commute or when I lock the bike up on a Saturday night around town. My Riv owning friends here in town don't share that same sense of ease. That being said, there's no way I'd drop $1500+ for an XO-1. On May 14, 1:18 pm, cm wrote: > About a year ago I passed on a RB1 for $100. It was all original, my > size, and had seen about 1000 miles total. It was red, forget the > year and size but it must have been around a 55 cuz it fit me. I was > in high school when B-stone closed, so the bikes were never part of my > cycling past. To me, they are pretty much old bikes, nice old bikes, > but old bikes. > > If I had the chance to buy it again, would I? Yeah, but only to try to > get it to someone who would appreciate what it was and ride the heck > out it. > > Cheers! > cm > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
Well the nostalgia level on ebay is high. The '93 XO-1 just sold for $2550.00 Ok. WHO here bought it ;) You can have my purple '92 X0-1 for $1200 but not my Atlantis. On May 13, 11:56 am, Ginz wrote: > My nostalgia is at this level: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/theginz/3560678107/in/set-72157618745798... > > I think that the exuberence for the '93 XO-1 is held mainly by the > urban bike nerd. Having personally ridden a m'stach bar, bikes > equipped with Rivendell-supplied parts, and an orange frame or two, my > lust for the XO-1 is pretty low. I certainly do not lust for the > loose bearing bottom bracket and squealing Dia Compe 986 canti's of my > XO-2. > > I still say that if the XO's were not orange, the exuberence would be > far, far, far lower. > > Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge XO fan. But, for my money, I'm headed > for Hunqapillar-ville. For now, my XO-2 rests comfortably in the > basement. > > Ginz > > On May 13, 2:31 pm, William wrote: > > > > > > > I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on > > a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag... > > > I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see > > people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike. Of > > course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even > > more, a lot more, but still. > > > The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text > > "Rivendell fans rejoice!". The vibe I have gotten from my short time > > on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for > > the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going > > for $1500 to $2000. I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing > > at the availability of that particular XO-1 either. Sure, some of us > > own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine. > > > So, I guess my question is: Do you keep your eyes out for > > Bridgestones? Which one(s) do you look for? What would you pay > > relative to retail to get one? Would you restore it, or resurrect it > > into something else? > > > For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992 > > basically unridden for $600. I bought it and keep it at a vacation > > place where the riding is flat. I'm happy I did. The XO that I am > > nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops. It's long gone > > but I'd love to get another one of those. I'd probably pay $400 for > > that or a 1994 XO-3. I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last > > month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing > > nearly everything on it. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
Taking into account inflation an XO-1 would sell for $1750 today. So I would say this person overpaid alot. I think those Bridgestones are great bikes but once you hit the price of a new Rivendell it is a no brainer for me. On May 16, 10:03 pm, Mitch Browne wrote: > Well the nostalgia level on ebay is high. > > The '93 XO-1 just sold for $2550.00 > > Ok. WHO here bought it ;) > > You can have my purple '92 X0-1 for $1200 but not my Atlantis. > > On May 13, 11:56 am, Ginz wrote: > > > > > > > My nostalgia is at this level: > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/theginz/3560678107/in/set-72157618745798... > > > I think that the exuberence for the '93 XO-1 is held mainly by the > > urban bike nerd. Having personally ridden a m'stach bar, bikes > > equipped with Rivendell-supplied parts, and an orange frame or two, my > > lust for the XO-1 is pretty low. I certainly do not lust for the > > loose bearing bottom bracket and squealing Dia Compe 986 canti's of my > > XO-2. > > > I still say that if the XO's were not orange, the exuberence would be > > far, far, far lower. > > > Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge XO fan. But, for my money, I'm headed > > for Hunqapillar-ville. For now, my XO-2 rests comfortably in the > > basement. > > > Ginz > > > On May 13, 2:31 pm, William wrote: > > > > I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on > > > a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1: > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag... > > > > I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see > > > people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike. Of > > > course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even > > > more, a lot more, but still. > > > > The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text > > > "Rivendell fans rejoice!". The vibe I have gotten from my short time > > > on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for > > > the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going > > > for $1500 to $2000. I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing > > > at the availability of that particular XO-1 either. Sure, some of us > > > own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine. > > > > So, I guess my question is: Do you keep your eyes out for > > > Bridgestones? Which one(s) do you look for? What would you pay > > > relative to retail to get one? Would you restore it, or resurrect it > > > into something else? > > > > For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992 > > > basically unridden for $600. I bought it and keep it at a vacation > > > place where the riding is flat. I'm happy I did. The XO that I am > > > nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops. It's long gone > > > but I'd love to get another one of those. I'd probably pay $400 for > > > that or a 1994 XO-3. I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last > > > month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing > > > nearly everything on it. > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: > I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch sale > in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US. It was an > engagement/wedding present. She loved the bike and rode it lots. > Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day. It was locked up in > front of the building when a lady apparently confused the brake and gas > pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who knows). The car surged > over the curb directly at the front windows of a beauty parlor on the first > floor, ran over the bike and the sign to which it was locked, was diverted > by this the accelerated down the sidewalk parallel to the building until it > struck a tree. You could see where she continued to spin the wheels until > the car died. No one was hurt but several people- the driver, the > beauticians and their customers were of course terrified. > > The bike was destroyed. Every tube was bent except the head tube. The > wheels were mangled. Almost nothing was salvageable. The driver's > insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal with (and lost > our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a result). My wife was > distraught, not only for the bike itself but also its meaning. > > Here's why I tell about the tragedy. I replaced the bike with a Heron Road > with full Superbe, building it up over months at a friend's shop and > sneaking it into the house while we were out on Christmas Eve with the help > of neighbors. She was shocked and delighted and, more than 10 years later, > rides the Heron lots. But when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell > and examined it closely and compared the two frames, I realized something > about the XO-1. > > It was crude. The lugs were not attractive. They were not filed or > thinned. Tube mitering was not good. The brazing was sloppy and incomplete > around the BB shell. The paint was not well done. The Heron was a *vastly* > better made frame. My nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike vanished (although > my nostalgia for what it meant- it was basically our engagement ring- > remains). > > The XO-1 is an iconic bike. It's a unique moment in bike history with > nothing really like it before or since from a major manufacturer. But there > are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell has a lot of 'em). For the price > these go for on eBay, I'd rather buy a better bike with that money. > > So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low. I'd pay > maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition. Obviously I won't be winning any > auctions... > > Agreed 100%. I had a 1993 XO-3 (lugged, Japan-made, same geometry as the XO-1 with slightly heavier triple-butted tubing). Actually, I had two, and broke both in exactly the same way: BB shell broke at the base of the seat-tube lug. I enjoyed the bike well enough for a while--it was my first attempt at an allroad bike, and I built it up from the frame with my own selection of components--but I've ridden much nicer production bikes since then, my 1984 Sequoia foremost among them. The XO-3 was very stiff and seemed to transmit even the smallest road vibrations directly into my body, even with 1.75" tires at 75psi (this was long before my eye-opening experience with 650B tires at 55psi). I also had a '92 RB-1, which I miss far more than the XO-3. Even with 28mm tires at 95psi, it rode much smoother than the XO-3, and just had a springy want-to-go-FAST feel entirely lacking in the other bike. So, like Tim, I have very little nostalgia for the XOs, except as a praiseworthy attempt to do something completely different in production bikes. If any Bridgestone could tempt me these days, it would be the '92-'94 RB-T, which has very similar geometry to my Sequoia. And no, I wouldn't go for the nostalgia build--it would be the normal mix of old and new stuff I have lying around: TA or AT cranks, modern Shimano 9-speed drivetrain, Ergo brifters, BMX pedals, etc. Murray Victoria, BC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Murray Love wrote: > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: >> > >> Here's why I tell about the tragedy. I replaced the bike with a Heron >> Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a friend's shop and >> sneaking it into the house while we were out on Christmas Eve with the help >> of neighbors. She was shocked and delighted and, more than 10 years later, >> rides the Heron lots. But when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell >> and examined it closely and compared the two frames, I realized something >> about the XO-1. >> >> It was crude. The lugs were not attractive. They were not filed or >> thinned. Tube mitering was not good. The brazing was sloppy and incomplete >> around the BB shell. The paint was not well done. The Heron was a *vastly* >> better made frame. My nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike vanished (although >> my nostalgia for what it meant- it was basically our engagement ring- >> remains). >> > Agreed 100%. I had a 1993 XO-3 (lugged, Japan-made, same geometry as the > XO-1 with slightly heavier triple-butted tubing). Actually, I had two, and > broke both in exactly the same way: BB shell broke at the base of the > seat-tube lug. > I've had many bridgestones (93 X0-1, 92 RBT, 91 RBT, 90 MB2, 91 CB-0, 93 RB1, 94 RB1, and a few other CB-x's passed through too) -- I agree with the assesment that these were pretty poorly constructed bikes, especially at the bottom bracket. I'm pretty sure they were machine brazed at the bottom bracket, and I'd love to hear Grant throw in on that, though I can understand why he wouldn't. That said, to this day, the RBT is still my all time favorite production bike -- a sensible, fast, light, tough bike that takes fat enough tires and has good-enough tubing. I race my 91 RBT at the local CX races and I take it trail riding multiple times a week. I love it. I have two RBTs and I abuse them, hack them, and repair them to no end. They're great bikes. I understand why people seek out XO1s too, for the same reasons: a great bike with a set of features that you simply cannot buy off the floor of any LBS today. I personally love the concept of road bike with 26 wheels and standard tubing. I wish the XO1 I had was a 55; I wouldn't have sold it. I secretly keep my eye out for the 1st Gen Riv all-rounders in my size. That said, for $1000-- you can easily find a good-enough builder to TIG you up a copy of the XO1 and paint it orange. If I were king of the world, I'd find the most pristine example of a 93 xo-1, put it in a bike museum, and then tax all other xo1 owners that didn't ride them regularly. I think these bikes should be ridden hard to be fully appreciated. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
When I got mine, I was guilty of the nostalgia a bit, but since I've owned it, it's worth to me has come not from its craftsmanship, but its functionality. I have an Atlantis, and the XO-1's versatility has definitely competed with the Atlantis's. -Jim W. -Original Message- >From: Tim McNamara >Sent: May 13, 2010 12:29 PM >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com >Subject: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia? > >I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch >sale in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US. It >was an engagement/wedding present. She loved the bike and rode it >lots. Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day. It was >locked up in front of the building when a lady apparently confused >the brake and gas pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who >knows). The car surged over the curb directly at the front windows >of a beauty parlor on the first floor, ran over the bike and the sign >to which it was locked, was diverted by this the accelerated down the >sidewalk parallel to the building until it struck a tree. You could >see where she continued to spin the wheels until the car died. No >one was hurt but several people- the driver, the beauticians and >their customers were of course terrified. > >The bike was destroyed. Every tube was bent except the head tube. >The wheels were mangled. Almost nothing was salvageable. The >driver's insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal >with (and lost our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a >result). My wife was distraught, not only for the bike itself but >also its meaning. > >Here's why I tell about the tragedy. I replaced the bike with a >Heron Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a >friend's shop and sneaking it into the house while we were out on >Christmas Eve with the help of neighbors. She was shocked and >delighted and, more than 10 years later, rides the Heron lots. But >when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell and examined it >closely and compared the two frames, I realized something about the >XO-1. > >It was crude. The lugs were not attractive. They were not filed or >thinned. Tube mitering was not good. The brazing was sloppy and >incomplete around the BB shell. The paint was not well done. The >Heron was a *vastly* better made frame. My nostalgia for the XO-1 as >a bike vanished (although my nostalgia for what it meant- it was >basically our engagement ring- remains). > >The XO-1 is an iconic bike. It's a unique moment in bike history >with nothing really like it before or since from a major >manufacturer. But there are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell >has a lot of 'em). For the price these go for on eBay, I'd rather >buy a better bike with that money. > >So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low. I'd >pay maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition. Obviously I won't be >winning any auctions... > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW >Owners Bunch" group. >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
on 5/13/10 1:41 PM, John Speare at johnspe...@gmail.com wrote: > I've had many bridgestones (93 X0-1, 92 RBT, 91 RBT, 90 MB2, 91 CB-0, > 93 RB1, 94 RB1, and a few other CB-x's passed through too) -- I agree > with the assesment that these were pretty poorly constructed bikes, > especially at the bottom bracket. I'm pretty sure they were machine > brazed at the bottom bracket, and I'd love to hear Grant throw in on > that, though I can understand why he wouldn't. Actually, he did make a reference to this in Rivendell Reader #32, in the article "Some Bridgestone Bikes" http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/#rr32bridgestone second page of the scanned article has the bb shell. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Workshops of the iBob's -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
I hopped on the B-stone bandwagon just as they were shutting down in '94. Always wanted an XO-1 as I missed out on the BOB firesale. Was able to get a new MB-2 on dp discount from Beverly Hills Bicycle. Damn fine bike BTW. I also had a used RB-T as well, which was tremendous amounts of fun to ride on the fire roads. In fact, my All-Rounder is kind of a beefed up version of that. I almost spent some silly money on a used XO-1 at one point, but luckily realized that a 59 was just too small for me! So long/short, I like seeing folks buying these and using them. I think $1500 or even $2K for a brand new one is a good purchase for a iconic yet usable and versatile bike. Would buying a Sam be a better investment? Probably so, but it's pretty cool having a NOS orange B-stone! Here's two of 'em being ridden as they should be: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4513929848/ On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Ginz wrote: > My nostalgia is at this level: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/theginz/3560678107/in/set-72157618745798282/ > > I think that the exuberence for the '93 XO-1 is held mainly by the > urban bike nerd. Having personally ridden a m'stach bar, bikes > equipped with Rivendell-supplied parts, and an orange frame or two, my > lust for the XO-1 is pretty low. I certainly do not lust for the > loose bearing bottom bracket and squealing Dia Compe 986 canti's of my > XO-2. > > I still say that if the XO's were not orange, the exuberence would be > far, far, far lower. > > Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge XO fan. But, for my money, I'm headed > for Hunqapillar-ville. For now, my XO-2 rests comfortably in the > basement. > > Ginz > > On May 13, 2:31 pm, William wrote: > > I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on > > a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag... > > > > I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see > > people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike. Of > > course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even > > more, a lot more, but still. > > > > The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text > > "Rivendell fans rejoice!". The vibe I have gotten from my short time > > on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for > > the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going > > for $1500 to $2000. I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing > > at the availability of that particular XO-1 either. Sure, some of us > > own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine. > > > > So, I guess my question is: Do you keep your eyes out for > > Bridgestones? Which one(s) do you look for? What would you pay > > relative to retail to get one? Would you restore it, or resurrect it > > into something else? > > > > For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992 > > basically unridden for $600. I bought it and keep it at a vacation > > place where the riding is flat. I'm happy I did. The XO that I am > > nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops. It's long gone > > but I'd love to get another one of those. I'd probably pay $400 for > > that or a 1994 XO-3. I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last > > month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing > > nearly everything on it. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
$1700 in 2006 is what I paid for the less fancy of the two in Dave Estes' picture here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4513929848/ It was almost unused by the original owner. I thought about it, but not too long; I thought it was worth it, but was taking some risk that it might be too small. I set it up carefully, and the size works for me, and the use I get out of it has more than made it worth it. I think the picture shows that I use it practically as opposed to showroomey. I've had some really fun rides on that bike, most recently that outstanding San Diego ride that Esteban organized. The bike climbs really well and still feels lively (subjective and vague I realize). For that and several other rides (one a multi-day overnighter with a tent where it performed flawlessly) that are extremely memorable to me, I am very happy that I bought the bike and don't regret the pricetag. On the multi-day ride, a flawed map let us down and we spent the day on a rough dirt road. Lucky me; it was like we were filming an ad for the bike. I really like taking it on mixed surface rides. Now, to keep this on-topic, I agree that if you get to $2000, the Sam Hillborne is the better choice. But if someone goes for a functional XO-1 and pays a little bit extra for it, I'm not going to snicker about them as long as they ride it, because if they are lucky enough to have rides like the ones I've had, the regret of the few extra hundreds will diminish more and more over time as the good rides are had. I really hope they are not treating it with a collector's piece mentality, and I'll say the same thing about any Rivendell model over the coming decades. -Jim W. -Original Message- >From: Johnny Alien >Sent: May 16, 2010 10:30 PM >To: RBW Owners Bunch >Subject: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia? > >Taking into account inflation an XO-1 would sell for $1750 today. So >I would say this person overpaid alot. I think those Bridgestones are >great bikes but once you hit the price of a new Rivendell it is a no >brainer for me. > >On May 16, 10:03 pm, Mitch Browne wrote: >> Well the nostalgia level on ebay is high. >> >> The '93 XO-1 just sold for $2550.00 >> >> Ok. WHO here bought it ;) >> >> You can have my purple '92 X0-1 for $1200 but not my Atlantis. >> >> On May 13, 11:56 am, Ginz wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > My nostalgia is at this level: >> >> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/theginz/3560678107/in/set-72157618745798... >> >> > I think that the exuberence for the '93 XO-1 is held mainly by the >> > urban bike nerd. Having personally ridden a m'stach bar, bikes >> > equipped with Rivendell-supplied parts, and an orange frame or two, my >> > lust for the XO-1 is pretty low. I certainly do not lust for the >> > loose bearing bottom bracket and squealing Dia Compe 986 canti's of my >> > XO-2. >> >> > I still say that if the XO's were not orange, the exuberence would be >> > far, far, far lower. >> >> > Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge XO fan. But, for my money, I'm headed >> > for Hunqapillar-ville. For now, my XO-2 rests comfortably in the >> > basement. >> >> > Ginz >> >> > On May 13, 2:31 pm, William wrote: >> >> > > I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on >> > > a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1: >> >> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag... >> >> > > I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see >> > > people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike. Of >> > > course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even >> > > more, a lot more, but still. >> >> > > The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text >> > > "Rivendell fans rejoice!". The vibe I have gotten from my short time >> > > on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for >> > > the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going >> > > for $1500 to $2000. I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing >> > > at the availability of that particular XO-1 either. Sure, some of us >> > > own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine. >> >> > > So, I guess my question is: Do you keep your eyes out for >> > > Bridgestones? Which one(s) do you look for? What would you pay >> > > relative to retail to ge
