Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Hugh Smitham]

Jim,

But I like the HB too. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[James Warren]

Hugh, this is what a Hillborne is. At least the centerpull version.


> On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:39 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> 
> Saluki that can take a 47~48mm tire and keep the center pulls oh and dynamo 
> wire routing.
> 
> Hugh
> 
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of all 
> the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or replay) 
> the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you would like 
> to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a MUSA version of 
> a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
> 
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got away. 
> I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
> 
> My vote: the Legolas!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Always, always, always: with Rivendell, if you see something you want, get it 
now. Chances are it won’t be there later. Not to say there won’t be other great 
stuff, but nothing stays the same at RBW. GP’s recent blog talks about what he 
thought he knew when he started out at RBW vs what he now knows to be true 
regarding bike design. Some of us, like me for instance, prefer that old stuff. 
Others prefer the new. Holds true for bags, clothes, too.

Tailwinds

Bruce

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> On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Alan H  wrote:
> 
> 
> Makes me kind of sad that I didn't pull the trigger a year-or-so ago when I 
> still could've gotten the bike I really want

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Hugh Smitham]

Saluki that can take a 47~48mm tire and keep the center pulls oh and dynamo 
wire routing.

Hugh

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>
> My vote: the Legolas!

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[tc]

Yes Alan, I heard the same from Will...they're no longer taking orders for 
the old Waterford-built Hunq.  Sounds like Steve Rex will likely make the 
"not-the-same-as-the-old-Hunq" Hunq, if it ever happens.  I too am looking 
for a used one, 58 or 59.

Tom

On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 2:59:24 PM UTC-4, Alan H wrote:
>
> Hunqapillar for sure. I'd love to get a size 50 with the 27.5" wheels. It 
> that perfect "what a bike is supposed to look like" frame (at least to my 
> eyes) and the green/cream color combination is off the charts beautiful 
> (again to my eyes).
>
> I even called Riv recently to see if I could order one, but alas it would 
> appear that the Waterford link is dead. At least for that frame (perhaps 
> they still make the Roadeo?). It was hinted that the Hunq could reappear in 
> the not-too-near future, but that if it did, it wouldn't be made by 
> Waterford and it would be updated to the point that it would be a different 
> bike. I suspect that this update will be much like the updates that were 
> applied to the Homer (making it more Hillborne-like) and to the Atlantis 
> (making it more Appaloosa-like). 
>
> Makes me kind of sad that I didn't pull the trigger a year-or-so ago when 
> I still could've gotten the bike I really want. So if anyone happens to 
> have a 50cm Hunq that they want to part with...
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>>
>> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
>> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
>> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
>> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
>> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>>
>> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
>> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>>
>> My vote: the Legolas!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Alan H]

Hunqapillar for sure. I'd love to get a size 50 with the 27.5" wheels. It 
that perfect "what a bike is supposed to look like" frame (at least to my 
eyes) and the green/cream color combination is off the charts beautiful 
(again to my eyes).

I even called Riv recently to see if I could order one, but alas it would 
appear that the Waterford link is dead. At least for that frame (perhaps 
they still make the Roadeo?). It was hinted that the Hunq could reappear in 
the not-too-near future, but that if it did, it wouldn't be made by 
Waterford and it would be updated to the point that it would be a different 
bike. I suspect that this update will be much like the updates that were 
applied to the Homer (making it more Hillborne-like) and to the Atlantis 
(making it more Appaloosa-like). 

Makes me kind of sad that I didn't pull the trigger a year-or-so ago when I 
still could've gotten the bike I really want. So if anyone happens to have 
a 50cm Hunq that they want to part with...


On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>
> My vote: the Legolas!

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[esoterica etc]

Totally spammy, especially with the handle “Cheviot for Sale”

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Joe Bernard]

Kinda spammy bro. 

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Cheviot For Sale]

I turned my 55cm Cheviot into a Yves Gomez. Got the decals from Riv and 
they are under the clear coat. I am looking to sell it complete. 

Trying to find a buyer. Searched RBW for Yves. Though I'd post a mention 
here. Shipping from Arizona. Reply if you have any interest.

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> I’d like to see the Yves Gomez come back...that was a stylish frame. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 Bill:
The "original" "Road" in 1995 was the Riv Road (see RR #2) which came out 
before the "Standand."  It's a nice bike with level TT, normal HT, and 
basically a Waterford RS front married to a slack seat tube/long stay RBW rear. 
Made from Reynolds 753, drawn heavier wall than normal for RBW. The bi-plane 
fork crown is nice too. It is lighter than Ram, Homer, etc, My 54 cm  frame 
weighs 4 lb, 7/8 oz.  My 52 Ram frame weighs 4 lb 8 oz.  The road forks are not 
quite as nicely curved as Ram, the stays are single taper. The lugs are Sachs 
designed, and look powerful. Ram is more typical of Riv curlique designs. My 
'95 Road is still my "go-fast" bike. "Fast" being relative of course, and 
related to  the rider, not the ride.
The Road Standard came out in 1996 with sloped TT, extended HT (see catalog #3) 
Strated out with the same lugs and tubes but  changed lugs by '97 iirc.
   

 On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 12:43:44 AM CDT, Bill M.  
wrote:  
 
 The original Riv Road Standard 

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Evan E.]

Yes: Rambouillet. Orange. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[RichS]

Patrick, tire clearance for my briefly owned Roadeo was maxed out at 35mm 
(fenderless) with a couple of mm between tire and chain stay. Depending on 
rim/tire selection 37mm might be achievable.

Agree with what others have said about the much admired Ram being the one to be 
revived. First and only time I saw an orange one I was smitten by everything 
about it. The blues and greens ain’t bad either!

Rich in ATL
(currently building a Ram wannabe MIT Homer)

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[ascpgh]

I responded to the OP of another thread that was essentially an answer to 
the "what model would you resurrect" question with my orange Rambouillet:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/vt0OdAZtZDs/1hUH0ETLDQAJ

I've done some original parts swapping to optimize things a bit. Racer 
brakes for better clearance when closed under braking, "Properly" sized 
fenders for the tires since the Racers greatly improve clearance for such. 
RH Stampede Pass EL 700x32 tires. TA Zephyr crankset, now a wide-ish 46-34 
double. Suntour AccuShift bar end shifters for their lovely micro ratchet 
mechanism. In respect to the name (useful French sheep) and inspiration of 
the model (French rando archetype) I have a Mavic 841 rear derailleur with 
an 845 cage (the long cage road is goofy looking and the 845 parallelogram 
plate has a garish sticker instead of the nicer laser etching in the black 
anodizing), and Mavic 860 front derailleur. I have a set of Simplex DT 
shift levers, but holy cow those bosses are WAY down there on my 62cm 
frame. 

My Rambouillet has been so much of what I want or need in a bike that I've 
been riding it since new to me in 2001. It has acted as a pure road bike 
and held its own in group riding, carried a load in a Carradice Nelson 
Longflap with a Bagman support on a credit card trip across the country and 
been my prime ride for lots of short and multi-day trips on the gravel of 
the Great Allegheny Passage and rocks and mud of the C Canal path. The 
orange, besides being the undisputed fastest color, has been a large part 
of people approaching me and asking about the bike and where I'm riding. On 
the Five Borough ride in NYC a few years ago my wife noted how sour folks 
on some very expensive CFRP bikes in our riding cohort looked as my bike 
drew a continuous flow of unsolicited compliments appreciating its 
aesthetic and fit. 

I have a project cooking that more precisely matches my dimensions, needs 
and riding. It's custom, but the Rambouillet was so good of an off the hook 
production option that I was able to avoid a bespoke bike for almost 20 
years of riding. Consider yourself lucky if your body proportions are 
satisfied by the standard frame size increment geometry. I don't and it has 
left me unimpressed by lots of bikes that are supposed to be "all that". 
This has been my magic carpet ride

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 1:08:13 PM UTC-4, Robert Hakim wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 6:06:58 PM UTC-6, LBleriot wrote:
>>
>> People, people.  C’mon.  The orange Rambouillet is the one that should be 
>> on everybody’s list.
>
>
> I wholeheartedly agree! In my formative years as a young bike mechanic I 
> remember going into the basement to get a bike for a customer, and I 
> noticed the gleaming orange paint, ornate badge and decals, beautiful 
> lugwork and the lovely white head tube on the bike next to it. I went 
> straight to the mentor I had at the shop and asked him all about it- and 
> that is how I came to know about Riv. 
>
> I was very happy with my new-to-me '93 RB-2, but wanted wider tires and a 
> saddle bag- not to mention that orange! 
>
> This year I finally purchased my first Riv, and I do love it so... but I 
> still lust over that orange Rambouillet! 
>
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Patrick Moore]

It does, at least if what I've heard is true, that the later blue ones
cleared fatter tires than the first orange ones.

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:07 PM bruce.herbit...@gmail.com <
bruce.herbit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The color doesn't really matter.  Ram is spec'd for 37 mm btw w/o
> fenders.  It's the lugs, the double taper stays, the combo of HT and non HT
> tubing for ride quality, the beautiful fork blade curve, the un dimpled
> chain stays, the fillet brazed drop outs, The Panasonic or Urema paint work
> with lug window details and the neutral steering that corners beautifully
> on fast descents.
>
> On Sunday, August 4, 2019, 02:38:42 PM CDT, Patrick Moore <
> bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, blue Ram -- doesn't it take fatter tires? Mine took 35-labeled,
> 32-actual with fenders.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 The color doesn't really matter.  Ram is spec'd for 37 mm btw w/o fenders.  
It's the lugs, the double taper stays, the combo of HT and non HT tubing for 
ride quality, the beautiful fork blade curve, the un dimpled chain stays, the 
fillet brazed drop outs, The Panasonic or Urema paint work with lug window 
details and the neutral steering that corners beautifully on fast descents.
On Sunday, August 4, 2019, 02:38:42 PM CDT, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:  
 
 Sorry, blue Ram -- doesn't it take fatter tires? Mine took 35-labeled, 
32-actual with fenders.

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, blue Ram -- doesn't it take fatter tires? Mine took 35-labeled,
32-actual with fenders.

But my theoretical fave is the Roadeo, which I think has similar, if not
more ample, clearance.

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:08 AM Robert Hakim 
wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 6:06:58 PM UTC-6, LBleriot wrote:
>>
>> People, people.  C’mon.  The orange Rambouillet is the one that should be
>> on everybody’s list.
>
>
> I wholeheartedly agree! In my formative years as a young bike mechanic I
> remember going into the basement to get a bike for a customer, and I
> noticed the gleaming orange paint, ornate badge and decals, beautiful
> lugwork and the lovely white head tube on the bike next to it. I went
> straight to the mentor I had at the shop and asked him all about it- and
> that is how I came to know about Riv.
>
> I was very happy with my new-to-me '93 RB-2, but wanted wider tires and a
> saddle bag- not to mention that orange!
>
> This year I finally purchased my first Riv, and I do love it so... but I
> still lust over that orange Rambouillet!
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Robert Hakim]

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 6:06:58 PM UTC-6, LBleriot wrote:
>
> People, people.  C’mon.  The orange Rambouillet is the one that should be 
> on everybody’s list.


I wholeheartedly agree! In my formative years as a young bike mechanic I 
remember going into the basement to get a bike for a customer, and I 
noticed the gleaming orange paint, ornate badge and decals, beautiful 
lugwork and the lovely white head tube on the bike next to it. I went 
straight to the mentor I had at the shop and asked him all about it- and 
that is how I came to know about Riv. 

I was very happy with my new-to-me '93 RB-2, but wanted wider tires and a 
saddle bag- not to mention that orange! 

This year I finally purchased my first Riv, and I do love it so... but I 
still lust over that orange Rambouillet! 


 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think Marty is pretty close. I think Huffy sponsored a cyclocross team right 
around the time enthusiasm was building for the u.s. 1984 Olympics.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

This bike checks all the boxes for me. Love the fork crown in particular! 
I'm guessing 1983?

Marty

> [image: yyy(1).jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Karl]

Mark,

Beautiful bike! Wow, what year was it made!?!?

Karl
Melton fan from way back

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[S]

For sure, BMC is different, that was a bad example, but I was more thinking of 
what you could buy new instead.

In any case, I prefer canti/v-brakes, I like the ride of the lighter tubed 
bikes I have, and I think the Legolas looks cool. So if the Riv genie asked 
what I wanted I would chose that. 

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[S]

For sure, BMC is fairly different, but I was more thinking of what you could 
buy new instead. 

In any case, my point is that a lot of bikes can do what the Legolas can, more 
or less, but I prefer canti/v-brakes, I like the ride of the lighter tubed 
bikes I have, and I think the Legolas looks cool. 

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Bill Lindsay]

I have all three of those.  The Black Mountain Monster Cross is very 
different from the Legolas and very different from the Atlantis.  

The Black Mountain Monster Cross is a drop-bar rigid 29er mountain bike, in 
my view
The Legolas is a cyclocross racing bike in my view
The Atlantis is a 650b road-to-touring bike

Any of the three can be (and are) ridden on road rides that wander onto 
trails and they are all delightful and I have no urge to get rid of any of 
the three.  I use the Black Mountain Monster Cross on some off-road 
sections that I would be reluctant to take the Legolas on.  I use the 
Atlantis on some off-road sections that I would be reluctant to take the 
Legolas on.  I use the Atlantis for every day road commuting and never use 
the Legolas or the Black Mountain Monster Cross, because the Atlantis is 
just so pleasant when I'm not in an aggro mindset.  If your rides have a 
"racer attitude", then a racing bike like the Legolas may be more 
rewarding.  I generally grab the Legolas when I have my heart rate monitor 
on, my racy kit, and I'm planning to hammer balls-out for 90 minutes.  
That's what the Legolas is built for.  It's fun for other things as well.  
It's a great bike.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 12:24:17 PM UTC-7, S wrote:
>
> Yeah, I am drifting off the point of the thread. To be clear, I would be 
> more than happy if Riv brought back the Legolas exactly as it was. 
>
> The Atlantis is great, I wish I had one, and it isn’t overbuilt for its 
> intended purpose, but it is overbuilt for me and what I do most of the 
> time, a light rider with light loads. 
>   
> And yes, you could sorta replicate the Legolas with other bikes, but 
> still, the Legolas is a special bike. Big part of that is the style, the 
> look, the paint and lugs. Hard to replicate that. For instance, I may buy a 
> Black Mountain Monster Cross, very similar, but, for me anyway, it would be 
> a utilitarian choice, it lacks that Riv magic. 

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[S]

Yeah, I am drifting off the point of the thread. To be clear, I would be more 
than happy if Riv brought back the Legolas exactly as it was. 

The Atlantis is great, I wish I had one, and it isn’t overbuilt for its 
intended purpose, but it is overbuilt for me and what I do most of the time, a 
light rider with light loads. 
  
And yes, you could sorta replicate the Legolas with other bikes, but still, the 
Legolas is a special bike. Big part of that is the style, the look, the paint 
and lugs. Hard to replicate that. For instance, I may buy a Black Mountain 
Monster Cross, very similar, but, for me anyway, it would be a utilitarian 
choice, it lacks that Riv magic. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[John G.]

Mark, your Huffy is one of my favorite bikes on the Bob/RBW lists. Remind me 
how you came by it?

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Ryan M.]

I had a canti post Sam Hillborne with 650b before the gravel thing really 
took off...it was a great bike and would do what you seem to want. I kinda 
wish I never sold it. 

The Legolas is a really nice cyclocross frame that you can actually race, 
so tire clearance would be an issue...plus it's going to be 700c to comply 
with race requirements. I'd like a Legolas (make it disc and I'd like it 
even more. lol) I remember reading maybe on this board that the Legolas was 
like the Roadeo but with canti posts...but I'm sure there are some geometry 
differences going on being one is a cyclocross frame and one is a road 
frame. 

On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 6:41:39 PM UTC-5, S wrote:

> I wish Rivendell would bring back the Legolas not because I am a racer but 
> rather because I want a bike for day rides on mixed surfaces. For this 
> purpose, the Atlantis is overbuilt and the AHH lacks tire clearance. A 650b 
> Legolas would be even better. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 10:28:36 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> It is interesting and not-all-that-surprising that the Legolas is so 
>> frequent.  It's the only racing bike Rivendell has ever made, so if you are 
>> strictly a bike-racer, and wanted a Rivendell to come back, then 
>> resurrecting the one and only Rivendell Racing Model is the natural 
>> choice.  All other Rivendells are unracing models, so the UnRacer vote is 
>> split.  Racers overwhelmingly vote Legolas
>>
>> Bill-sometime-bike-racer-and-Legolas-owner Lindsay  
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Bill Lindsay]

Understood.  That bike you are describing would be really appealing, but 
it's most certainly not a Legolas.  There are a number of vendors who will 
sell you a 27.5 x 2.2" road bike, so you can run Thunder Burts or 48mm Rene 
Herse tires.  Rivendell has the 650B Atlantis, which I own and absolutely 
adore, and I have the Thunder Burts on-hand to put onto it soon .  I 
perceive no penalties for it being "overbuilt". It's not uncomfortable for 
being stiff, becuase it has huge cushy tires. It doesn't push back on my 
legs when I pedal it, like the planing folks insist, at least not to the 
extent that I can notice it.  It's a couple pounds heavier than a 
hypothetical 'dream Rivendell' frame.

Trust me I get the appeal of a 27.5x2.2" road bike.  I want one.  I was in 
Santa Barbara earlier this week and tried to schedule an appointment to 
visit Stinner Frameworks, because I wanted to check out the Refugio.  That 
thing looks really fun to ride. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 7:49:14 PM UTC-7, S wrote:
>
> Really, I am just describing my dream Rivendell. Light, 650b, cantis. 
>
> Do I *need* to be able to run 50s? No. Do I want the option? Yes.
>
> On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 11:01:05 AM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 4:41:39 PM UTC-7, S wrote:
>>>
>>> I wish Rivendell would bring back the Legolas not because I am a racer 
>>> but rather because I want a bike for day rides on mixed surfaces. For this 
>>> purpose, the Atlantis is overbuilt and the AHH lacks tire clearance. A 650b 
>>> Legolas would be even better.
>>>
>>
>> I'm curious as to what kind of mixed surfaces you ride on, such that the 
>> AHH lacks tire clearance, because the AHH is supposed to fit tires up to 
>> 44mm wide (san fenders). That means UCI race-spec 33mm cyclocross tires 
>> will fit. I've ridden 38mm wide Compass Barlow Pass tires on pretty rough 
>> trails, and didn't feel like the tires were holding me back.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[S]

Really, I am just describing my dream Rivendell. Light, 650b, cantis. 

Do I *need* to be able to run 50s? No. Do I want the option? Yes.

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 11:01:05 AM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 4:41:39 PM UTC-7, S wrote:
>>
>> I wish Rivendell would bring back the Legolas not because I am a racer 
>> but rather because I want a bike for day rides on mixed surfaces. For this 
>> purpose, the Atlantis is overbuilt and the AHH lacks tire clearance. A 650b 
>> Legolas would be even better.
>>
>
> I'm curious as to what kind of mixed surfaces you ride on, such that the 
> AHH lacks tire clearance, because the AHH is supposed to fit tires up to 
> 44mm wide (san fenders). That means UCI race-spec 33mm cyclocross tires 
> will fit. I've ridden 38mm wide Compass Barlow Pass tires on pretty rough 
> trails, and didn't feel like the tires were holding me back.
>

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 4:41:39 PM UTC-7, S wrote:
>
> I wish Rivendell would bring back the Legolas not because I am a racer but 
> rather because I want a bike for day rides on mixed surfaces. For this 
> purpose, the Atlantis is overbuilt and the AHH lacks tire clearance. A 650b 
> Legolas would be even better.
>

I'm curious as to what kind of mixed surfaces you ride on, such that the 
AHH lacks tire clearance, because the AHH is supposed to fit tires up to 
44mm wide (san fenders). That means UCI race-spec 33mm cyclocross tires 
will fit. I've ridden 38mm wide Compass Barlow Pass tires on pretty rough 
trails, and didn't feel like the tires were holding me back.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Craig Montgomery]

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 4:41 PM S  wrote:

> I wish Rivendell would bring back the Legolas not because I am a racer but
> rather because I want a bike for day rides on mixed surfaces. For this
> purpose, the Atlantis is overbuilt and the AHH lacks tire clearance. A 650b
> Legolas would be even better.
>

This kinda takes the thread on a wee bit of a tangent, but if any of you
are seriously thinking like sblain here there are plenty of lightweight
vintage frames equal to the Legolas in build quality available. And many if
not most are 650B convertible. I found a 60's Dave Russell (English of
course) for $250 on Ebay a couple of years back. Oh man what a 650B
conversion it made: lightweight, low-mid trail, and within DiaCompe 750
reach. Rides like a dream.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/albums/72157690991749493

Craig in Tucson








On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 4:41 PM S  wrote:

> I wish Rivendell would bring back the Legolas not because I am a racer but
> rather because I want a bike for day rides on mixed surfaces. For this
> purpose, the Atlantis is overbuilt and the AHH lacks tire clearance. A 650b
> Legolas would be even better.
>
> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 10:28:36 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> It is interesting and not-all-that-surprising that the Legolas is so
>> frequent.  It's the only racing bike Rivendell has ever made, so if you are
>> strictly a bike-racer, and wanted a Rivendell to come back, then
>> resurrecting the one and only Rivendell Racing Model is the natural
>> choice.  All other Rivendells are unracing models, so the UnRacer vote is
>> split.  Racers overwhelmingly vote Legolas
>>
>> Bill-sometime-bike-racer-and-Legolas-owner Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Fullylugged]

To me, Rivendell was about making bikes that had "extra" which is not 
immediately noticed by the average eye. Grant enjoyed selling bikes that were 
better than they had to be. The epitome of that seems to be Rambouillet. Double 
tapered seat stays, un-dimpled chain stays, fillet brazed dropouts, ornate 
lugs, heat treated and non heat treated tubes used to maximize ride quality, 
and a very nice paint job. It represents the high art of Japanese bikes doing 
French brevet style better than the French could.

I like my '95 Road (pre Road Standard, which came later) better for longer 
rides. It's light (18.5 lbs with a leather saddle) and lively and has great 
handling, but doesn't have that same all around character of style as Ram does. 
When I just want a bike to noodle around on, I always take the Ram.

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[mark s hall]

In a New York second: Redwood.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>
> My vote: the Legolas!

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[S]

I wish Rivendell would bring back the Legolas not because I am a racer but 
rather because I want a bike for day rides on mixed surfaces. For this 
purpose, the Atlantis is overbuilt and the AHH lacks tire clearance. A 650b 
Legolas would be even better. 

On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 10:28:36 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> It is interesting and not-all-that-surprising that the Legolas is so 
> frequent.  It's the only racing bike Rivendell has ever made, so if you are 
> strictly a bike-racer, and wanted a Rivendell to come back, then 
> resurrecting the one and only Rivendell Racing Model is the natural 
> choice.  All other Rivendells are unracing models, so the UnRacer vote is 
> split.  Racers overwhelmingly vote Legolas
>
> Bill-sometime-bike-racer-and-Legolas-owner Lindsay  
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Bill Lindsay]

It is interesting and not-all-that-surprising that the Legolas is so 
frequent.  It's the only racing bike Rivendell has ever made, so if you are 
strictly a bike-racer, and wanted a Rivendell to come back, then 
resurrecting the one and only Rivendell Racing Model is the natural 
choice.  All other Rivendells are unracing models, so the UnRacer vote is 
split.  Racers overwhelmingly vote Legolas

Bill-sometime-bike-racer-and-Legolas-owner Lindsay  
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>
> My vote: the Legolas!

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote:
>
> ++ on the All Rounder with space for RTPs. I will say that Surly still 
> makes the LHT for 26-inch wheels in all sizes with canti posts. The frame 
> clearly lacks the magic of a Riv but mimics the All Rounder.
>

You're at least the 3rd person to mention the 26" wheeled All-Rounder. 
Isn't that more or less an Atlantis, or at least the older version with 
shorter chainstays? I am in a fortunate position of having both a short 
chainstay Atlantis, and an original All-Rounder built with Reynolds 753 
tubes. I don't know why, but I like my Atlantis better; the All-Rounder 
unfortunately sits around the house, all primmed with nowhere to go.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[stoker]

Hunq for sure!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Steven Sweedler]

>From what I have heard, Surly now makes the 26” LHT up to 58cm.I was
impressed that Surly did make the frame for both wheels sizes.
Steve

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 9:50 AM ctifusion  wrote:

> ++ on the All Rounder with space for RTPs. I will say that Surly still
> makes the LHT for 26-inch wheels in all sizes with canti posts. The frame
> clearly lacks the magic of a Riv but mimics the All Rounder.
>
> Also, any flat-top-tubed, 650b road bike.
>
> Brynna
>
>
> On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 1:29:21 AM UTC-4, Michael Mazzie wrote:
>>
>> All rounder 650B for RTP...light tubing, low trail...
>> Mike Mazzie
>> A2
>>
>> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 10:20:51 PM UTC-4, S wrote:
>>>
>>> Legolas or All Rounder, I think a lighter canti frame would be a good
>>> addition. Nothing in that spot right now. Atlantis, Gus, etc, are fairly
>>> heavy duty and AHH has limited tire clearance.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[ctifusion]

++ on the All Rounder with space for RTPs. I will say that Surly still 
makes the LHT for 26-inch wheels in all sizes with canti posts. The frame 
clearly lacks the magic of a Riv but mimics the All Rounder.

Also, any flat-top-tubed, 650b road bike.

Brynna


On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 1:29:21 AM UTC-4, Michael Mazzie wrote:
>
> All rounder 650B for RTP...light tubing, low trail...
> Mike Mazzie
> A2
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 10:20:51 PM UTC-4, S wrote:
>>
>> Legolas or All Rounder, I think a lighter canti frame would be a good 
>> addition. Nothing in that spot right now. Atlantis, Gus, etc, are fairly 
>> heavy duty and AHH has limited tire clearance. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Michael Mazzie]

All rounder 650B for RTP...light tubing, low trail...
Mike Mazzie
A2

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 10:20:51 PM UTC-4, S wrote:
>
> Legolas or All Rounder, I think a lighter canti frame would be a good 
> addition. Nothing in that spot right now. Atlantis, Gus, etc, are fairly 
> heavy duty and AHH has limited tire clearance. 
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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Andreas]

Legolas

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 1:28:20 AM UTC-4, S wrote:
>
> Legolas.
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>>
>> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
>> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
>> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
>> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
>> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>>
>> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
>> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>>
>> My vote: the Legolas!
>
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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Joe Bernard]

I want a short wheelbase flat toptube All Rounder with disc brakes. And a motor*

*this might be a callback to the latest Blahg 

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[C.J. Filip]

Legolas, Saluki without updates to geometry.  

At the very least more sets of decals for both!!

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[S]

Legolas or All Rounder, I think a lighter canti frame would be a good 
addition. Nothing in that spot right now. Atlantis, Gus, etc, are fairly 
heavy duty and AHH has limited tire clearance. 

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Mike Godwin]

Whale John order a 62, and can I borrow it to check the size for me?

Bring back the AR, I need one in a larger size, and fit 650b wheels.

Mike SLO CA

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:52:32 AM UTC-7, John G. wrote:

> If the Roadeo hadn’t recently been brought back, I would’ve said Roadeo 
> instead of Legolas. I worship mine (but I wish it came in even sizes, 
> instead of odd).

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Chris L]

I have a first batch Taiwan built gray 54 Hunqapillar and I think the only 
possible improvement would be the newer 56cm Hunqapillar.   That's pretty 
much the perfect bike for me. 


On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 5:04:50 PM UTC-5, Bill Rhea wrote:
>
> I've got an original gray MUSA Hunqapillar, which I love. The only way to 
> one-up this one would be the Bombadil (the first one with the diagatube 
> connecting to mixte-like, mid-level chainstays). Gotta love that name, too, 
> though I don't think Grant can use any more Tolkein names
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Bill Rhea]

I've got an original gray MUSA Hunqapillar, which I love. The only way to 
one-up this one would be the Bombadil (the first one with the diagatube 
connecting to mixte-like, mid-level chainstays). Gotta love that name, too, 
though I don't think Grant can use any more Tolkein names

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>
> My vote: the Legolas!

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Matt Beecher]

I feel blessed that I now have the Rivs I most wanted. 

My most appreciated are the QB, Saluki, and old Atlantis.  I would like to see 
their return, but understand it likely will not happen.

Some argued that the AHH was the same as the Saluki, but not in the larger 
sizes. I wanted 650b in a 60cm frame.

I look forward to Rivs future offerings and hope they eventually make a mixte 
for drop bars.  The current generation is too long for me in my size.

Best regards,
Matt in Oswrgo, IL

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I'd love to see the Silver Gen. Quickbeam in Chameleon or Hunqa Green.

I wasn't aware of Riv during the QB era but discovered them at the tail end 
of the SimpleOne.  Had S1 been available in large sizes that would have 
likely been my first Rivendell.

I now own a 65cm Clem H as my one an only Riv and absolutely love it but 
also have 3 other frames that have served various roles all inspired by 
QB/S1.  I really wanted Sr. Frank Jones to be available in larger sizes but 
completely understand why it wasn't and didn't have the budget for it 
anyway.

I've been bike-less for months due to work/life and a recent move but as we 
get settled in I now find myself itching to get back in the saddle asap and 
thinking about bikes again.

If a new 68cm QB or similar were re-released I may not be able to resist, 
though I admittedly haven't pursued one secondhand since they appear to 
have generally retained their resale value and I'm on a ridiculously 
tight budget.  I also truthfully envision something more like a 
theoretical 64cm Appaloosa with Frank Jones track-outs as a potential ideal 
SS complement to my Clem (think of a cross between QB and Deacon's 
Hunqabeam.)

Brian Cole
Lawrence, NJ


On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 8:24:01 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:

> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>
> My vote: the Legolas!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Wally Estrella]

I'll throw in a third on a Quickbeam vote.  Just make'm so they can take up 
to 50ish wide tire w/ fenders.

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 1:46:16 AM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>
> Im with Joe - The Quickbeam. If I had money to buy a Rivendell custom I 
> would ask for a Quickbeam. 
>
> Jason
>
> On Jul 16, 2019, at 10:28 PM, S > wrote:
>
> Legolas.
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>>
>> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
>> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
>> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
>> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
>> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>>
>> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
>> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>>
>> My vote: the Legolas!
>
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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hillibikes!

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 8:24:01 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>
> My vote: the Legolas!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[J L]

Im with Joe - The Quickbeam. If I had money to buy a Rivendell custom I would 
ask for a Quickbeam. 

Jason

> On Jul 16, 2019, at 10:28 PM, S  wrote:
> 
> Legolas.
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of all 
>> the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
>> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
>> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
>> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>> 
>> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
>> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>> 
>> My vote: the Legolas!
> 
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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[S]

Legolas.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>
> My vote: the Legolas!

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