Re: [RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

2022-04-22 Thread larson....@gmail.com 
As someone who bought his first Rivendell frame and did my first build in 
the past few months, it is nice to see other first-timers. Jim and Thomas I 
am sure you will love your new Atlantis bikes-enjoy the process! My 
Appaloosa has exceeded my expectations and made me rethink what I actually 
need in a bicycle. Congratulations!
Randy in Wisconsin

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 10:37:49 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congrats to everyone on their Atlantis pre-orders. I'd fit a 55 but I 
> dream of that double top tube on the 59. Not being able to fit the double 
> tube frames pushed me to the Appaloosa, a bicycle I love. 
>
> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 5:39:44 PM UTC-4 Thomas Sibley wrote:
>
>> I ordered a 59 yesterday ( that rainbow bar), chomping at the bit right 
>> after noon worried it would sell out (unfounded I guess). Super excited! 
>> I've bought lots of parts and gear from Riv for years and years but never 
>> an actual bicycle. I hope I like it; it seems likely I will. Really 
>> regretting that I didn't try harder to make a visit over to Riv when I was 
>> briefly down in La Honda in October. 
>>
>> The other Riv frames haven't been too attractive to me in comparison to 
>> my long-time trusty steed, a Surly Cross-Check which I've continually 
>> refined into a great all-rounder bike for me over the past 12 years. Asking 
>> myself "Do I really need a new single?" always concluded in "Not really." 
>> But the Atlantis got my attention a while back around the same time it felt 
>> like my more recent refinements of the Cross-Check were fighting its 
>> geometry. On the Atlantis, I'm looking forward to getting even more 
>> upright, switching to a quill stem, running wider tires than the 
>> Cross-Check can accommodate with fenders (38s from Compass, er, Rene 
>> Herse), experiencing longer chainstays, having All The Braze-ons, and so 
>> on. Will first build it up using a mix a spare parts I have on hand, stolen 
>> parts from my Cross-Check, and new parts just for it, and see where it goes 
>> from there. My brain is definitely vibrating with the (rare to me) new bike 
>> excitement and not just any new bike, but a Riv!
>>
>> Thomas in Seattle
>>
>> P.S. Hello! I just learned about (and joined) this list two days ago when 
>> researching more about the Atlantis. I think I'll stay a while.
>>
>>
>> On 4/21/22 10:14, Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>> I ordered a 55 frame.  It is all I can do to be ending these sentences 
>> with periods instead of strings of exclamation points.  I'm stoked, I'm 
>> enthused, I'm maintaining a calm exterior while selecting parts one by 
>> one.  I've got a Clem H I bought complete, much modified now with guidance 
>> from this forum.  The Atlantis will be my first time building a bike up 
>> from a new frame.  I'm going to go slwww and enjoy it too.  
>>
>> I have been wanting this bike for years and was doubtful I'd be able to 
>> get it, as fast as the Riv frames have been selling out lately.  And I see 
>> now there are still Atlantis frames available, a day later, in every size 
>> EXCEPT the 55.  Below is proof that the 55s sold out in under an hour.
>>
>> Jim in Rochester
>>
>>
>> [image: atlantis 55 sold out.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:
>>
>>> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
>>> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
>>> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
>>> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
>>> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
>>> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
>>> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
>>> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
>>> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
>>> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
>>> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
>>> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
>>> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
>>> some of them into the wild. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
>>> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is 
>>> the only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
>>> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

2022-04-22 Thread Eric Marth 
Congrats to everyone on their Atlantis pre-orders. I'd fit a 55 but I dream 
of that double top tube on the 59. Not being able to fit the double tube 
frames pushed me to the Appaloosa, a bicycle I love. 

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 5:39:44 PM UTC-4 Thomas Sibley wrote:

> I ordered a 59 yesterday ( that rainbow bar), chomping at the bit right 
> after noon worried it would sell out (unfounded I guess). Super excited! 
> I've bought lots of parts and gear from Riv for years and years but never 
> an actual bicycle. I hope I like it; it seems likely I will. Really 
> regretting that I didn't try harder to make a visit over to Riv when I was 
> briefly down in La Honda in October. 
>
> The other Riv frames haven't been too attractive to me in comparison to my 
> long-time trusty steed, a Surly Cross-Check which I've continually refined 
> into a great all-rounder bike for me over the past 12 years. Asking myself 
> "Do I really need a new single?" always concluded in "Not really." But the 
> Atlantis got my attention a while back around the same time it felt like my 
> more recent refinements of the Cross-Check were fighting its geometry. On 
> the Atlantis, I'm looking forward to getting even more upright, switching 
> to a quill stem, running wider tires than the Cross-Check can accommodate 
> with fenders (38s from Compass, er, Rene Herse), experiencing longer 
> chainstays, having All The Braze-ons, and so on. Will first build it up 
> using a mix a spare parts I have on hand, stolen parts from my Cross-Check, 
> and new parts just for it, and see where it goes from there. My brain is 
> definitely vibrating with the (rare to me) new bike excitement and not just 
> any new bike, but a Riv!
>
> Thomas in Seattle
>
> P.S. Hello! I just learned about (and joined) this list two days ago when 
> researching more about the Atlantis. I think I'll stay a while.
>
>
> On 4/21/22 10:14, Jim Whorton wrote:
>
> I ordered a 55 frame.  It is all I can do to be ending these sentences 
> with periods instead of strings of exclamation points.  I'm stoked, I'm 
> enthused, I'm maintaining a calm exterior while selecting parts one by 
> one.  I've got a Clem H I bought complete, much modified now with guidance 
> from this forum.  The Atlantis will be my first time building a bike up 
> from a new frame.  I'm going to go slwww and enjoy it too.  
>
> I have been wanting this bike for years and was doubtful I'd be able to 
> get it, as fast as the Riv frames have been selling out lately.  And I see 
> now there are still Atlantis frames available, a day later, in every size 
> EXCEPT the 55.  Below is proof that the 55s sold out in under an hour.
>
> Jim in Rochester
>
>
> [image: atlantis 55 sold out.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:
>
>> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
>> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
>> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
>> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
>> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
>> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
>> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
>> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
>> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
>> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
>> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
>> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
>> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
>> some of them into the wild. 
>>
>> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
>> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>>
>> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is the 
>> only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
>> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>>
>> Chris
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

2022-04-21 Thread Thomas Sibley 
I ordered a 59 yesterday ( that rainbow bar), chomping at the bit
right after noon worried it would sell out (unfounded I guess). Super
excited! I've bought lots of parts and gear from Riv for years and years
but never an actual bicycle. I hope I like it; it seems likely I will.
Really regretting that I didn't try harder to make a visit over to Riv
when I was briefly down in La Honda in October.

The other Riv frames haven't been too attractive to me in comparison to
my long-time trusty steed, a Surly Cross-Check which I've continually
refined into a great all-rounder bike for me over the past 12 years.
Asking myself "Do I really need a new single?" always concluded in "Not
really." But the Atlantis got my attention a while back around the same
time it felt like my more recent refinements of the Cross-Check were
fighting its geometry. On the Atlantis, I'm looking forward to getting
even more upright, switching to a quill stem, running wider tires than
the Cross-Check can accommodate with fenders (38s from Compass, er, Rene
Herse), experiencing longer chainstays, having All The Braze-ons, and so
on. Will first build it up using a mix a spare parts I have on hand,
stolen parts from my Cross-Check, and new parts just for it, and see
where it goes from there. My brain is definitely vibrating with the
(rare to me) new bike excitement and not just any new bike, but a Riv!

Thomas in Seattle

P.S. Hello! I just learned about (and joined) this list two days ago
when researching more about the Atlantis. I think I'll stay a while.


On 4/21/22 10:14, Jim Whorton wrote:
> I ordered a 55 frame.  It is all I can do to be ending these sentences
> with periods instead of strings of exclamation points.  I'm stoked,
> I'm enthused, I'm maintaining a calm exterior while selecting parts
> one by one.  I've got a Clem H I bought complete, much modified now
> with guidance from this forum.  The Atlantis will be my first time
> building a bike up from a new frame.  I'm going to go slwww and
> enjoy it too. 
>
> I have been wanting this bike for years and was doubtful I'd be able
> to get it, as fast as the Riv frames have been selling out lately. 
> And I see now there are still Atlantis frames available, a day later,
> in every size EXCEPT the 55.  Below is proof that the 55s sold out in
> under an hour.
>
> Jim in Rochester
>
>
> atlantis 55 sold out.jpg
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:
>
> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too
> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a
> Rambouillet and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo
> Atlantis (that had been a wish-list bike for a long time) that I
> just didn't gel with. I've looked at Riv's current offerings, and
> the only one in recent years that peaked my interest was the Clem
> H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and seeing the
> Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm
> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H.
> It's kind of got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have
> to build a set of wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd
> probably rob the rest of the parts to build it off some other
> bikes, and think about thinning the herd a bit. I've built quite a
> fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently enjoying a bit of
> a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release some of them
> into the wild.
>
> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get
> an Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>
> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger
> is the only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others
> that I've missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need
> not apply.
>
> Chris
>
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[RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

2022-04-21 Thread CJ 
Dave, thanks for the insight. I would have expected the opposite, as the 
Atlantis has a 1 degree slacker head tube angle. It does have a shorter 
effective top tube, so that may have a greater effect.

The biggest question for me is if the 53cm Atlantis would have toe overlap 
with fat tires or fenders. For an off-pavement bicycle, toe overlap is a 
deal breaker for me.

In the end, I talked myself out of the Atlantis. For now, haha. I do see 
that there are some 53s still available...

Chris


On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 11:55:41 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> I have both a 52cm Clem H and a 53cm Atlantis (v.3). While they share the 
> long wheelbase and relaxed geometry, they're very different bikes. The Clem 
> leans heavily toward an mid-80s MTB, but with greater stability and 
> comfort. The Atlantis "feels" more nimble and better suited to all-a-round 
> riding. I use both for commuting, but I'd choose the Atlantis as my touring 
> rig and use the Clem H for off-road adventuring.
> Regarding wheels, I built up Velocity Cliffhangers for both bikes.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 6:19:30 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:
>
>> PS: I should have written "piqued my interest", not "peaked...". No 
>> excuse for that one
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:
>>
>>> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
>>> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
>>> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
>>> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
>>> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
>>> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
>>> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
>>> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
>>> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
>>> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
>>> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
>>> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
>>> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
>>> some of them into the wild.
>>>
>>> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
>>> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is 
>>> the only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
>>> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

2022-04-21 Thread Jim Whorton 
I ordered a 55 frame.  It is all I can do to be ending these sentences with 
periods instead of strings of exclamation points.  I'm stoked, I'm 
enthused, I'm maintaining a calm exterior while selecting parts one by 
one.  I've got a Clem H I bought complete, much modified now with guidance 
from this forum.  The Atlantis will be my first time building a bike up 
from a new frame.  I'm going to go slwww and enjoy it too.  

I have been wanting this bike for years and was doubtful I'd be able to get 
it, as fast as the Riv frames have been selling out lately.  And I see now 
there are still Atlantis frames available, a day later, in every size 
EXCEPT the 55.  Below is proof that the 55s sold out in under an hour.

Jim in Rochester


[image: atlantis 55 sold out.jpg]

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:

> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
> some of them into the wild.
>
> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>
> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is the 
> only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

2022-04-21 Thread Kirke Campbell 
Does anyone know if they are offering an 26" wheel Atlantis this time 
around? Current listing shows 50cm as the smallest size, but description 
below mentions a 47cm, which I think was the 26" version. Obviously, Riv 
goes by PBH but are there any geo charts out there or does anyone have top 
tube length on the 47/50/53cm sizes?

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:50:53 PM UTC-5 CJ wrote:

> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
> some of them into the wild.
>
> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>
> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is the 
> only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

2022-04-21 Thread DJC 
Hi Chris,

I have both a 52cm Clem H and a 53cm Atlantis (v.3). While they share the 
long wheelbase and relaxed geometry, they're very different bikes. The Clem 
leans heavily toward an mid-80s MTB, but with greater stability and 
comfort. The Atlantis "feels" more nimble and better suited to all-a-round 
riding. I use both for commuting, but I'd choose the Atlantis as my touring 
rig and use the Clem H for off-road adventuring.
Regarding wheels, I built up Velocity Cliffhangers for both bikes.

Cheers,
Dave


On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 6:19:30 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:

> PS: I should have written "piqued my interest", not "peaked...". No excuse 
> for that one
>
> Chris
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:
>
>> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
>> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
>> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
>> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
>> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
>> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
>> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
>> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
>> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
>> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
>> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
>> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
>> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
>> some of them into the wild.
>>
>> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
>> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>>
>> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is the 
>> only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
>> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

2022-04-16 Thread CJ 
PS: I should have written "piqued my interest", not "peaked...". No excuse 
for that one

Chris

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:

> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
> some of them into the wild.
>
> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>
> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is the 
> only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

2022-04-16 Thread Matt Beecher 
I'm not looking for another MIT Atlantis, since I got a 56 a few years ago, 
but I wish I picked up a 58 AHH a couple months ago.  Those went fast.  

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:50:53 PM UTC-5 CJ wrote:

> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
> some of them into the wild.
>
> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>
> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is the 
> only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>
> Chris
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