Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Slin]

I was shopping around for some higher volume slick-ish tires and just saw 
that the UD Cava will come in 650b 55mm this fall!! 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch7v1hMOhW8/

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 4:34:11 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a Sam with 700x38 Gravel King slicks. Pretty good, decent price. 
> Smooth and snappy on pavement and fairly stable on gravel. Being over 
> 200lbs, I'm hesitant to run them lower than mid 40s PSI, so I think at some 
> point I'll switch to the Snoqualmies so I can run a lower PSI. 
>
> Ben in Omaha 
> On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 9:52:00 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> I'm going to retract my statement and say these XL Snoqualmie's are the 
>> bee's knees. They feel every bit as fast as the 28's but I can tell they 
>> won't beat me up as much when the mileage starts ticking. It should be 
>> noted that they're mounted on some very narrow Mavic Open 4 CD rims so they 
>> actually only measure around 37/38mm.  
>>
>> I'd take things a step further and also recommend a lightweight wheelset 
>> if the goal is spirited riding with a light load. Nothing too crazy light, 
>> but putting super supple tires on stout touring wheels just seems a little 
>> backwards. 
>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:33:05 PM UTC-5 alexander...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Never measured the 27s and the bike they were on was stolen a few years 
>>> back unfortunately. I'll have to check the 40s and get back to you.
>>>
>>> I've only very briefly ridden soma shikoros. They were nice too, though 
>>> I have to say i didn't like them as much. They were on wildly different 
>>> bikes though and the shikoros were at much higher pressure so not a great 
>>> comparison.
>>>
>>> In that same size I have a set of mavic all road tires in 35mm to go on 
>>> some future build as well. Haven't ridden the 35s yet but i had the same 
>>> tires in 30mm that came with a mavic wheelset I bought, and they felt great 
>>> too actually. Mavic is definitely not my first thought for tires but they 
>>> were a pleasant surprise 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 12:02 PM Chris Dedinsky  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm glad to hear it Alexander. I'm pretty set on getting a 36mm pair 
 for my Heron touring bike, which is kinda the max clearance I think to get 
 in there and keep my fenders. Did your 27s and or 40s measure fairly true 
 to size? The other tires I've been leaning towards are the 38mm SOMA 
 Shikoro's and or Supple Vitesse. I guess all this to say, 700x~35 feels 
 good for a road and road-ish rubber radius.

 On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 8:46:58 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Chris, I rode on 27mm Strada Biancas on an old Nishiki for a while and 
> loved them. Would have gone bigger but didn't have the clearance. Now I 
> have some 40mm Challenge Getaways on my CX bike. They probably the 
> fastest 
> feeling tires I've ever ridden. If I end up getting the Quickbeam I am 
> hoping to buy soon, I plan to put some Strada Biancas in 36 or 40mm on it
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 11:19:17 PM UTC-5 chris@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very 
>> soon! I'll let y'all know how they ride. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 
>> h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on 
>>> the Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>>
 I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with 
 Snoqualmie Pass rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from 
 worn 
 pairs.

 I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what 
 I had with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet 
 stuff.

 I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only 
 rides, but I like it for what I've done so far 

 Adam

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from 
> riding off road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one 
> Sam. 
> Certainly there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere 
> explaining the 
> nuances. 
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
>> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth 
>> with a knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
>> Scott - Amherst MA
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner 
>> wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Mihovk]

I have a Sam with 700x38 Gravel King slicks. Pretty good, decent price. 
Smooth and snappy on pavement and fairly stable on gravel. Being over 
200lbs, I'm hesitant to run them lower than mid 40s PSI, so I think at some 
point I'll switch to the Snoqualmies so I can run a lower PSI. 

Ben in Omaha 
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 9:52:00 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I'm going to retract my statement and say these XL Snoqualmie's are the 
> bee's knees. They feel every bit as fast as the 28's but I can tell they 
> won't beat me up as much when the mileage starts ticking. It should be 
> noted that they're mounted on some very narrow Mavic Open 4 CD rims so they 
> actually only measure around 37/38mm.  
>
> I'd take things a step further and also recommend a lightweight wheelset 
> if the goal is spirited riding with a light load. Nothing too crazy light, 
> but putting super supple tires on stout touring wheels just seems a little 
> backwards. 
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:33:05 PM UTC-5 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Never measured the 27s and the bike they were on was stolen a few years 
>> back unfortunately. I'll have to check the 40s and get back to you.
>>
>> I've only very briefly ridden soma shikoros. They were nice too, though I 
>> have to say i didn't like them as much. They were on wildly different bikes 
>> though and the shikoros were at much higher pressure so not a great 
>> comparison.
>>
>> In that same size I have a set of mavic all road tires in 35mm to go on 
>> some future build as well. Haven't ridden the 35s yet but i had the same 
>> tires in 30mm that came with a mavic wheelset I bought, and they felt great 
>> too actually. Mavic is definitely not my first thought for tires but they 
>> were a pleasant surprise 
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 12:02 PM Chris Dedinsky  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad to hear it Alexander. I'm pretty set on getting a 36mm pair for 
>>> my Heron touring bike, which is kinda the max clearance I think to get in 
>>> there and keep my fenders. Did your 27s and or 40s measure fairly true to 
>>> size? The other tires I've been leaning towards are the 38mm SOMA Shikoro's 
>>> and or Supple Vitesse. I guess all this to say, 700x~35 feels good for a 
>>> road and road-ish rubber radius.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 8:46:58 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Chris, I rode on 27mm Strada Biancas on an old Nishiki for a while and 
 loved them. Would have gone bigger but didn't have the clearance. Now I 
 have some 40mm Challenge Getaways on my CX bike. They probably the fastest 
 feeling tires I've ever ridden. If I end up getting the Quickbeam I am 
 hoping to buy soon, I plan to put some Strada Biancas in 36 or 40mm on it
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 11:19:17 PM UTC-5 chris@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very 
> soon! I'll let y'all know how they ride. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 
> h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:
>
>> Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on 
>> the Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie 
>>> Pass rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.
>>>
>>> I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what 
>>> I had with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet 
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only 
>>> rides, but I like it for what I've done so far 
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from 
 riding off road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one 
 Sam. 
 Certainly there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining 
 the 
 nuances. 

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
 wrote:

> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth 
> with a knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
> Scott - Amherst MA
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner 
> wrote:
>
>> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge 
>> tires on my Monstercross and can confidently say both do 
>> surprisingly well 
>> off-road. Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often 
>> really 
>> wet as well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in 
>> those 

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Andrew Turner]

I'm going to retract my statement and say these XL Snoqualmie's are the 
bee's knees. They feel every bit as fast as the 28's but I can tell they 
won't beat me up as much when the mileage starts ticking. It should be 
noted that they're mounted on some very narrow Mavic Open 4 CD rims so they 
actually only measure around 37/38mm.  

I'd take things a step further and also recommend a lightweight wheelset if 
the goal is spirited riding with a light load. Nothing too crazy light, but 
putting super supple tires on stout touring wheels just seems a little 
backwards. 
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:33:05 PM UTC-5 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Never measured the 27s and the bike they were on was stolen a few years 
> back unfortunately. I'll have to check the 40s and get back to you.
>
> I've only very briefly ridden soma shikoros. They were nice too, though I 
> have to say i didn't like them as much. They were on wildly different bikes 
> though and the shikoros were at much higher pressure so not a great 
> comparison.
>
> In that same size I have a set of mavic all road tires in 35mm to go on 
> some future build as well. Haven't ridden the 35s yet but i had the same 
> tires in 30mm that came with a mavic wheelset I bought, and they felt great 
> too actually. Mavic is definitely not my first thought for tires but they 
> were a pleasant surprise 
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 12:02 PM Chris Dedinsky  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm glad to hear it Alexander. I'm pretty set on getting a 36mm pair for 
>> my Heron touring bike, which is kinda the max clearance I think to get in 
>> there and keep my fenders. Did your 27s and or 40s measure fairly true to 
>> size? The other tires I've been leaning towards are the 38mm SOMA Shikoro's 
>> and or Supple Vitesse. I guess all this to say, 700x~35 feels good for a 
>> road and road-ish rubber radius.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 8:46:58 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris, I rode on 27mm Strada Biancas on an old Nishiki for a while and 
>>> loved them. Would have gone bigger but didn't have the clearance. Now I 
>>> have some 40mm Challenge Getaways on my CX bike. They probably the fastest 
>>> feeling tires I've ever ridden. If I end up getting the Quickbeam I am 
>>> hoping to buy soon, I plan to put some Strada Biancas in 36 or 40mm on it
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 11:19:17 PM UTC-5 chris@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very 
 soon! I'll let y'all know how they ride. 

 On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 
 h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:

> Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on 
> the Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie 
>> Pass rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.
>>
>> I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I 
>> had with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet 
>> stuff.
>>
>> I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only 
>> rides, but I like it for what I've done so far 
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding 
>>> off road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam. 
>>> Certainly there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining 
>>> the 
>>> nuances. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
 There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth 
 with a knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
 Scott - Amherst MA
 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge 
> tires on my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly 
> well 
> off-road. Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often 
> really 
> wet as well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those 
> slippery conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike 
> honestly seems like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my 
> mind of 
> which tire I preferred.  
>
> Andrew 
> TN
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers <
> greentea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing 
>> tires (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm 

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Alexander Chalmers]

Never measured the 27s and the bike they were on was stolen a few years
back unfortunately. I'll have to check the 40s and get back to you.

I've only very briefly ridden soma shikoros. They were nice too, though I
have to say i didn't like them as much. They were on wildly different bikes
though and the shikoros were at much higher pressure so not a great
comparison.

In that same size I have a set of mavic all road tires in 35mm to go on
some future build as well. Haven't ridden the 35s yet but i had the same
tires in 30mm that came with a mavic wheelset I bought, and they felt great
too actually. Mavic is definitely not my first thought for tires but they
were a pleasant surprise

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 12:02 PM Chris Dedinsky  wrote:

> I'm glad to hear it Alexander. I'm pretty set on getting a 36mm pair for
> my Heron touring bike, which is kinda the max clearance I think to get in
> there and keep my fenders. Did your 27s and or 40s measure fairly true to
> size? The other tires I've been leaning towards are the 38mm SOMA Shikoro's
> and or Supple Vitesse. I guess all this to say, 700x~35 feels good for a
> road and road-ish rubber radius.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 8:46:58 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Chris, I rode on 27mm Strada Biancas on an old Nishiki for a while and
>> loved them. Would have gone bigger but didn't have the clearance. Now I
>> have some 40mm Challenge Getaways on my CX bike. They probably the fastest
>> feeling tires I've ever ridden. If I end up getting the Quickbeam I am
>> hoping to buy soon, I plan to put some Strada Biancas in 36 or 40mm on it
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 11:19:17 PM UTC-5 chris@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very
>>> soon! I'll let y'all know how they ride.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on
 the Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts?

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

> I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie
> Pass rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.
>
> I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I
> had with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet stuff.
>
> I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only rides,
> but I like it for what I've done so far
>
> Adam
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding
>> off road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam.
>> Certainly there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining 
>> the
>> nuances.
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight!
>>> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth
>>> with a knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
>>> Scott - Amherst MA
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge
 tires on my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly 
 well
 off-road. Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often 
 really
 wet as well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those
 slippery conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike
 honestly seems like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my 
 mind of
 which tire I preferred.

 Andrew
 TN

 On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers <
 greentea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing
> tires (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads 
> are a
> mix of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some 
> single
> track. I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside 
> from
> road, can you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed 
> surfaces?
> I'm considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick 
> Hatcher
> Pass 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>
> Thx!
> Scott - Amherst MA
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't
>> perfect, Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for
>> confidence braking and cornering.

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Chris Dedinsky]

That's very exciting—it is a gorgeous build! Yes, please let me know your
impressions.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 9:19 PM Chris Buzzini 
wrote:

> Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very soon!
> I'll let y'all know how they ride.
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on the
>> Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts?
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie
>>> Pass rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.
>>>
>>> I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I
>>> had with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only rides,
>>> but I like it for what I've done so far
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding
 off road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam.
 Certainly there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining the
 nuances.

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight!
> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth with
> a knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
> Scott - Amherst MA
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires
>> on my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well
>> off-road. Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often 
>> really
>> wet as well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those
>> slippery conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike
>> honestly seems like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind 
>> of
>> which tire I preferred.
>>
>> Andrew
>> TN
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers <
>> greentea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing
>>> tires (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads 
>>> are a
>>> mix of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single
>>> track. I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from
>>> road, can you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces?
>>> I'm considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher
>>> Pass 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>>>
>>> Thx!
>>> Scott - Amherst MA
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect,
 Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence 
 braking
 and cornering.
 I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and
 the Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't 
 go
 back to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Chris Dedinsky]

I'm glad to hear it Alexander. I'm pretty set on getting a 36mm pair for my 
Heron touring bike, which is kinda the max clearance I think to get in 
there and keep my fenders. Did your 27s and or 40s measure fairly true to 
size? The other tires I've been leaning towards are the 38mm SOMA Shikoro's 
and or Supple Vitesse. I guess all this to say, 700x~35 feels good for a 
road and road-ish rubber radius.

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 8:46:58 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Chris, I rode on 27mm Strada Biancas on an old Nishiki for a while and 
> loved them. Would have gone bigger but didn't have the clearance. Now I 
> have some 40mm Challenge Getaways on my CX bike. They probably the fastest 
> feeling tires I've ever ridden. If I end up getting the Quickbeam I am 
> hoping to buy soon, I plan to put some Strada Biancas in 36 or 40mm on it
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 11:19:17 PM UTC-5 chris@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very 
>> soon! I'll let y'all know how they ride. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on the 
>>> Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>>
 I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie 
 Pass rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.

 I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I 
 had with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet stuff.

 I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only rides, 
 but I like it for what I've done so far 

 Adam

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding 
> off road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam. 
> Certainly there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining 
> the 
> nuances. 
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
>> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth 
>> with a knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
>> Scott - Amherst MA
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires 
>>> on my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well 
>>> off-road. Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often 
>>> really 
>>> wet as well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those 
>>> slippery conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike 
>>> honestly seems like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind 
>>> of 
>>> which tire I preferred.  
>>>
>>> Andrew 
>>> TN
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers <
>>> greentea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing 
 tires (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads 
 are a 
 mix of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some 
 single 
 track. I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside 
 from 
 road, can you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed 
 surfaces? 
 I'm considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick 
 Hatcher 
 Pass 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.

 Thx!
 Scott - Amherst MA

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't 
> perfect, Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for 
> confidence braking and cornering. 
> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and 
> the Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably 
> wouldn't go 
> back to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Patrick Moore]

I agree with your choice for pavement riding -- I don't need anything
fatter than 32 mm (in fact, if the 32mm-labeled Elk Pass was a true 32 mm
on my admittedly narrow rims, I'd rise from 26" tire Paradise to 26" tire
Nirvana (both Buddhist), but even at 28 mm on 19 mm OW rims, they're
heavenly (generic metaphorical sense) except on our 5" wide pavement
expansion cracks.

But: You say that you "know that the bigger tires are not as fast." *How do
you know? *

My own experience is that the tire width to speed relationship is all over
the place for tires of similar construction (and cost), what with all the
variables in speed involved (and also by the fast that I haven't measured
anything except seat-of-pants ease of given cadence in given gear in given
conditions). To wit: 622 X 60MM Big One ultralights feel as fast as the Elk
Passes and both feel faster than extra light 42 mm Naches Passes. But
again, variables, variables.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:19 AM Will Boericke  wrote:

> On pavement, I see no need for anything beyond 32.  I'm light, I like to
> go fast on pavement, and despite what JH says, I know that the bigger tires
> are not as fast.

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Fullylugged]

Eric:

I have 38mm Pari Motos on my Riv Road (compact double for low to moderate 
climbing). They handle chipseal well, are quick, and have good grip in 
turns. Kevlar bead and lightweight but not long wearing or great on 
punctures if you ride where goatheads abound. I'll be doing a RUSA 
Populaire on it next Saturday. My Waterford RS-12 (XD-2 triple for taller 
and steeper climbing) is set up exactly like a Riv (it has the extended HT 
and same geometry) but has Continental Top Contact Speed in 32mm.  RBW 
sells or sold these tires for Clems in particular and called them 
"basketball tires." Not as plush at the Pascentis but tougher and longer 
lasting.

Tailwinds..
Bruce

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:23:03 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Will Boericke]

On pavement, I see no need for anything beyond 32.  I'm light, I like to go 
fast on pavement, and despite what JH says, I know that the bigger tires 
are not as fast.


On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:46:58 AM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Chris, I rode on 27mm Strada Biancas on an old Nishiki for a while and 
> loved them. Would have gone bigger but didn't have the clearance. Now I 
> have some 40mm Challenge Getaways on my CX bike. They probably the fastest 
> feeling tires I've ever ridden. If I end up getting the Quickbeam I am 
> hoping to buy soon, I plan to put some Strada Biancas in 36 or 40mm on it
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 11:19:17 PM UTC-5 chris@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very 
>> soon! I'll let y'all know how they ride. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on the 
>>> Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>>
 I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie 
 Pass rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.

 I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I 
 had with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet stuff.

 I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only rides, 
 but I like it for what I've done so far 

 Adam

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding 
> off road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam. 
> Certainly there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining 
> the 
> nuances. 
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
>> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth 
>> with a knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
>> Scott - Amherst MA
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires 
>>> on my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well 
>>> off-road. Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often 
>>> really 
>>> wet as well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those 
>>> slippery conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike 
>>> honestly seems like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind 
>>> of 
>>> which tire I preferred.  
>>>
>>> Andrew 
>>> TN
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers <
>>> greentea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing 
 tires (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads 
 are a 
 mix of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some 
 single 
 track. I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside 
 from 
 road, can you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed 
 surfaces? 
 I'm considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick 
 Hatcher 
 Pass 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.

 Thx!
 Scott - Amherst MA

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't 
> perfect, Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for 
> confidence braking and cornering. 
> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and 
> the Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably 
> wouldn't go 
> back to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Alexander Chalmers]

Chris, I rode on 27mm Strada Biancas on an old Nishiki for a while and 
loved them. Would have gone bigger but didn't have the clearance. Now I 
have some 40mm Challenge Getaways on my CX bike. They probably the fastest 
feeling tires I've ever ridden. If I end up getting the Quickbeam I am 
hoping to buy soon, I plan to put some Strada Biancas in 36 or 40mm on it
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 11:19:17 PM UTC-5 chris@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very soon! 
> I'll let y'all know how they ride. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on the 
>> Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie 
>>> Pass rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.
>>>
>>> I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I 
>>> had with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only rides, 
>>> but I like it for what I've done so far 
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding 
 off road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam. 
 Certainly there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining the 
 nuances. 

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth with 
> a knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
> Scott - Amherst MA
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires 
>> on my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well 
>> off-road. Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often 
>> really 
>> wet as well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those 
>> slippery conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike 
>> honestly seems like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind 
>> of 
>> which tire I preferred.  
>>
>> Andrew 
>> TN
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers <
>> greentea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing 
>>> tires (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads 
>>> are a 
>>> mix of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single 
>>> track. I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from 
>>> road, can you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed 
>>> surfaces? 
>>> I'm considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher 
>>> Pass 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>>>
>>> Thx!
>>> Scott - Amherst MA
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
 Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence 
 braking 
 and cornering. 
 I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and 
 the Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't 
 go 
 back to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Chris Buzzini]

Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very soon! 
I'll let y'all know how they ride. 

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
wrote:

> Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on the 
> Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie Pass 
>> rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.
>>
>> I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I had 
>> with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet stuff.
>>
>> I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only rides, 
>> but I like it for what I've done so far 
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding off 
>>> road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam. Certainly 
>>> there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining the nuances. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
 Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
 There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth with 
 a knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
 Scott - Amherst MA
 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires 
> on my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well 
> off-road. Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often 
> really 
> wet as well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those 
> slippery conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike 
> honestly seems like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind 
> of 
> which tire I preferred.  
>
> Andrew 
> TN
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers <
> greentea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing 
>> tires (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads 
>> are a 
>> mix of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single 
>> track. I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from 
>> road, can you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? 
>> I'm considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher 
>> Pass 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>>
>> Thx!
>> Scott - Amherst MA
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
>>> Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence 
>>> braking 
>>> and cornering. 
>>> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and 
>>> the Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't 
>>> go 
>>> back to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Chris Dedinsky]

Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on the 
Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

> I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie Pass 
> rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.
>
> I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I had 
> with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet stuff.
>
> I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only rides, but 
> I like it for what I've done so far 
>
> Adam
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding off 
>> road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam. Certainly 
>> there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining the nuances. 
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
>>> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth with a 
>>> knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
>>> Scott - Amherst MA
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires on 
 my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well 
 off-road. 
 Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often really wet as 
 well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those slippery 
 conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike honestly seems 
 like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind of which tire I 
 preferred.  

 Andrew 
 TN

 On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers  
 wrote:

> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing tires 
> (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads are a mix 
> of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single 
> track. 
> I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from road, 
> can 
> you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? I'm 
> considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher Pass 
> 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>
> Thx!
> Scott - Amherst MA
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
>> Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence 
>> braking 
>> and cornering. 
>> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and 
>> the Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't 
>> go 
>> back to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Adam]

I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie Pass 
rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.

I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I had 
with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet stuff.

I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only rides, but 
I like it for what I've done so far 

Adam

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding off 
> road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam. Certainly 
> there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining the nuances. 
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
>> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth with a 
>> knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
>> Scott - Amherst MA
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires on 
>>> my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well off-road. 
>>> Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often really wet as 
>>> well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those slippery 
>>> conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike honestly seems 
>>> like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind of which tire I 
>>> preferred.  
>>>
>>> Andrew 
>>> TN
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing tires 
 (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads are a mix 
 of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single track. 
 I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from road, can 
 you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? I'm 
 considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher Pass 
 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.

 Thx!
 Scott - Amherst MA

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
> Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence 
> braking 
> and cornering. 
> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and the 
> Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't go 
> back 
> to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Eric Marth]

Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding off 
road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam. Certainly 
there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining the nuances. 

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth with a 
> knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
> Scott - Amherst MA
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires on 
>> my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well off-road. 
>> Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often really wet as 
>> well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those slippery 
>> conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike honestly seems 
>> like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind of which tire I 
>> preferred.  
>>
>> Andrew 
>> TN
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing tires 
>>> (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads are a mix 
>>> of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single track. 
>>> I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from road, can 
>>> you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? I'm 
>>> considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher Pass 
>>> 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>>>
>>> Thx!
>>> Scott - Amherst MA
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
 Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence 
 braking 
 and cornering. 
 I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and the 
 Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't go back 
 to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[greenteadrinkers]

Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth with a 
knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
Scott - Amherst MA
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires on my 
> Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well off-road. 
> Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often really wet as 
> well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those slippery 
> conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike honestly seems 
> like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind of which tire I 
> preferred.  
>
> Andrew 
> TN
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing tires 
>> (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads are a mix 
>> of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single track. 
>> I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from road, can 
>> you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? I'm 
>> considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher Pass 
>> 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>>
>> Thx!
>> Scott - Amherst MA
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
>>> Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence braking 
>>> and cornering. 
>>> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and the 
>>> Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't go back 
>>> to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Andrew Turner]

Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires on my
Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well off-road.
Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often really wet as
well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those slippery
conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike honestly seems
like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind of which tire I
preferred.

Andrew
TN

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers 
wrote:

> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing tires
> (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads are a mix
> of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single track.
> I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from road, can
> you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? I'm
> considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher Pass
> 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>
> Thx!
> Scott - Amherst MA
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect,
>> Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence braking
>> and cornering.
>> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and the
>> Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't go back
>> to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[greenteadrinkers]

Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing tires 
(tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads are a mix 
of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single track. 
I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from road, can 
you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? I'm 
considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher Pass 
48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.

Thx!
Scott - Amherst MA

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
> Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence braking 
> and cornering. 
> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and the 
> Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't go back 
> to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
>
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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[brendonoid]

I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence braking 
and cornering. 
I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and the 
Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't go back 
to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Eric Marth]

Thanks again to everyone for sharing specifications and philosophies. 

Putting in a nice ride this weekend on plenty of unpaved stuff my 44mm 
Snoqualmie Pass extralights were comfortable and suited for the ride. 

Now that I've heard from a lot of people running tires in the mid to high 
30s I'd be interested to try some out if it was a very easy, low friction, 
low cost situation. Like borrowing or finding a beat pair of 38mm Barlow 
Pass or 35mm Jon Bon tires for comparison. 

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:10:03 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have Gravelking Slicks in 38 on my Sam and I really like them but want 
> more width the next time I buy tires for it. 
>
> I JUST put on Snoqualmie's on my Atlantis and already prefer them over the 
> Shikoros I had used for two years. I can see getting another pair for the 
> Sam when the GKs are worn down 
>
> Ben in Omaha 
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:23:03 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
>> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
>> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
>> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
>> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
>> I'm excited to try. 
>>
>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>>
>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Mihovk]

I have Gravelking Slicks in 38 on my Sam and I really like them but want 
more width the next time I buy tires for it. 

I JUST put on Snoqualmie's on my Atlantis and already prefer them over the 
Shikoros I had used for two years. I can see getting another pair for the 
Sam when the GKs are worn down 

Ben in Omaha 
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:23:03 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[J S]

42 on my Saluki, 48 on the Hillborne 

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 8:23:03 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric, like many others who replied to your inquiry, I also land between 35 
mm - 38 mm on my two Rivs. Admittedly, they both are used on mixed surface 
rides, not exclusively on pavement. The 57 cm Homer Hilsen is mostly a fast 
country bike, taking in fire roads with paved connections. The 55 cm Sam 
Hillborne is my dedicated touring rig. 
Some years ago, I fell in love with the lightweight, comfy and  supple - 
combined with a thin puncture resistant layer - of the now-discontinued 
Vittoria Voyager Hyper. I bought a stash that is still lasting me. 
I use the 38 mm on the Hilsen and the 35 mm on the Hillborne, both with VO 
fenders. Inflation figures vary but I  find my 165 lb. body feels best 
around 35-38 psi on the 700c wheels and my mind would be a bit ill at ease 
with much less.
I must say, while I love the black & cream on my own Hillborne, yours looks 
much like a dapper fellow out on the town!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/52122315564/in/album-72177720299529947/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/51845031765/in/album-72177720296237851/

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.



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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 6:06:48 am UTC+10 aeroperf wrote:

> I tried the Schwalbe Marathon 622x37 at 65 psi for a year.  It was like 
> riding through mud
>

There are multiple different models that Schwalbe call Marathon. Have a 
look here: https://www.schwalbe.com/en/city-tour - there are a dozen 
different models that are Marathon , and there's quite a 
difference between those models. And even within the one model, they make 
different versions intended either for tubeless or tubed use. For example, 
I have Marathon Plus on my commuter, which are extremely puncture resistant 
but very stiff and don't give a very pleasant ride, whereas I have Marathon 
Almotion on my touring bike, which are a much nicer feeling tyre to ride on.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[aeroperf]

I’ve run Continental Speed Ride tires for 5 years.  I haven’t had a flat 
with them, though that's probably just luck.
They only come in one size - 622 x 42.  I run them on my Sam at 55 psi.  
They cost about $25.  The last set went over 5000 miles.
I tried the Schwalbe Marathon 622x37 at 65 psi for a year.  It was like 
riding through mud - they weigh a lot more than the Speed Rides, but if I 
were doing touring, they would be my choice.

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Eric Marth]

Thanks everyone for sharing info on builds, your tires and your takes! Fun 
reading along. 

Like Chris I am a little surprised by all the tire sizes in the 30s. 

Thanks for the kind words about the videos, Ben. Yep, it's a 7cm. 

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 2:15:54 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just watched your assembly video again, Eric, and I see it's a 7cm. Love 
> the videos, especially as eye candy to see different build configurations 
> close up.
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:34:39 AM UTC-7 Ben Adrian wrote:
>
>> I just put the 700 x 35 Rene Herse slicks back on my Rambouillet. I had 
>> them on before, but the wider tire and a loaded front rack started to feel 
>> weird. Plus, I wanted to put on fenders and the fenders I have were too 
>> small for 35s. Anyway, I'm shifting the load to the rear and I've removed 
>> the fenders, so I put the 35s back on. What a fantastic ride now.
>>
>> I just got some 700 x 44 tires like yours above for my Salsa Warbird. 
>> I've not had a chance to do a serious ride on them, but they look like they 
>> are going to be very nice.
>>
>> Also, what's the stem length on your Hillborne?
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:23:03 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
>>> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
>>> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
>>> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
>>> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
>>> I'm excited to try. 
>>>
>>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>>>
>>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Adrian]

Just watched your assembly video again, Eric, and I see it's a 7cm. Love 
the videos, especially as eye candy to see different build configurations 
close up.

Cheers!

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:34:39 AM UTC-7 Ben Adrian wrote:

> I just put the 700 x 35 Rene Herse slicks back on my Rambouillet. I had 
> them on before, but the wider tire and a loaded front rack started to feel 
> weird. Plus, I wanted to put on fenders and the fenders I have were too 
> small for 35s. Anyway, I'm shifting the load to the rear and I've removed 
> the fenders, so I put the 35s back on. What a fantastic ride now.
>
> I just got some 700 x 44 tires like yours above for my Salsa Warbird. I've 
> not had a chance to do a serious ride on them, but they look like they are 
> going to be very nice.
>
> Also, what's the stem length on your Hillborne?
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:23:03 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
>> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
>> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
>> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
>> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
>> I'm excited to try. 
>>
>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>>
>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Adrian]

I just put the 700 x 35 Rene Herse slicks back on my Rambouillet. I had 
them on before, but the wider tire and a loaded front rack started to feel 
weird. Plus, I wanted to put on fenders and the fenders I have were too 
small for 35s. Anyway, I'm shifting the load to the rear and I've removed 
the fenders, so I put the 35s back on. What a fantastic ride now.

I just got some 700 x 44 tires like yours above for my Salsa Warbird. I've 
not had a chance to do a serious ride on them, but they look like they are 
going to be very nice.

Also, what's the stem length on your Hillborne?

Cheers!
Ben

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:23:03 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ted Durant]

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:23:03 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and doing brevets and 
> such?


My Heron Road (the original Heron prototype) rides on Rene Herse 700x28C 
ultralights. I did a 200km ride recently on that, and did my PR for the 
distance.

My Waterford ST-22, which was ordered as a "what I wish we'd done with 
Heron" is almost identical to the Heron Road (including the round blade 
fork crown), but with more tire clearance and more fork rake/lower trail. 
It rides on Rene Herse 700x32C ultralights, which are about as much as you 
can stuff into the Heron fork crown with fenders. I did 85km today on that 
bike, at 28.5kph which is fast for me. A few of those kms were on gravel 
(hard packed, some washboarding). My 2nd fastest 200km was on this bike.

I used to have a Rivendell ATB that I set up for road riding on Rat Trap 
Pass tires. Based on that, I ordered a Breadwinner G-Road that rides on RH 
650x48B ultralights, which are now set up tubeless. I have done a couple of 
200km rides on it, neither particularly fast. The most recent one was in 
May, and I've built some fitness since then. It seems from the data I keep 
that I am slightly slower on this bike than the others, but it's not by 
much, and it's impossible to tell whether that's because of the tires.

My Rivendell Road rides on Grand Bois 700x26C tires. I did 31.5km in 
exactly an hour recently, which is pretty much max effort for me. A few 
years ago I did a charity 100 mile ride on that bike and it was plenty 
fast. Lots of climbing on that ride, with a 39x25 smallest gear, so I was 
grinding up the steep ones.

For any long ride where I want fenders and lights, if it's going to be good 
pavement, the Waterford on 32's is my go-to. If there is any less than 
perfect pavement, it's the G-Road and its huge tires. Mostly that's because 
I have a choice, though. The Waterford is extremely comfortable even on 
rough roads, thanks to the fork and the 32mm tires. Even the Heron on 28's, 
thanks to the fork, is very comfortable on bumpy stuff. It's mesmerizing to 
watch the front hub flexing over the bumps. The G-Road has a very beefy 
fork, so it relies on the big tires for comfort. I have also done a lot of 
brevets (up to 600km) on 650x38B and 42, which in many ways are ideal 
sizes, but not quite enough width if I get into any softish gravel. I have 
not felt that the 48's come with any penalty on pavement. 

Also, FYI, Jan Heine just wrote up his experience riding his Unbound XL 
bike (Rat Trap Pass tires) on an all-pavement 400km (>4500m climbing) 
brevet. Some of it sounds like rationalizing, but I'm certainly happy with 
my fatties on pavement.
https://www.renehersecycles.com/too-much-tire-a-road-test/

And, FWIW, I am a very light person.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[RichS]

Well Eric, I've been locked in to 38s on my 650b Sam in the seven years 
I've owned it. Soma B-Lines and Gravel King slicks. Ditto for my 650b 
Johnny Coast rando bike but Grand Bois offers a 650b x 36 that I'd like to 
try on the JCoast. Alternatively, my Mercian uses 650 x 32 Grand Bois 
Cypress. It feels like this particular frame (Reynolds 725 tubes) was made 
for these tires. A delightful ride:-)

Thumbs up to your Sam and Jamin's Homer!

Best,
Rich in ATL


On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 1:45:01 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> I generally go as big/wide as the bike will accommodate. For some bikes 
> (e.g., my Hubbuhubbuh) this is 75mm. For others (e.g., my Quickbeam) it is 
> 44mm. I recently came into a Ram. It arrived with 28mm Ruffy Tuffys. I was 
> surprised at how good they felt. Reminded me of the sew-ups I rode as a 
> younger man.
>
> The Ruffy Tuffys eventually encountered road hazards (a fact of life in 
> the San Francisco Bay Area) and we moved to 35mm Schwalbe G-Ones. Still 
> have lots of room. No reason to ride with fenders since rain in the drought 
> plagued Bay Area is as scarce as hens teeth.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:23:03 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
>> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
>> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
>> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
>> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
>> I'm excited to try. 
>>
>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>>
>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Corwin Zechar]

I generally go as big/wide as the bike will accommodate. For some bikes 
(e.g., my Hubbuhubbuh) this is 75mm. For others (e.g., my Quickbeam) it is 
44mm. I recently came into a Ram. It arrived with 28mm Ruffy Tuffys. I was 
surprised at how good they felt. Reminded me of the sew-ups I rode as a 
younger man.

The Ruffy Tuffys eventually encountered road hazards (a fact of life in the 
San Francisco Bay Area) and we moved to 35mm Schwalbe G-Ones. Still have 
lots of room. No reason to ride with fenders since rain in the drought 
plagued Bay Area is as scarce as hens teeth.

Regards,

Corwin

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:23:03 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for the notes, Damien! Nice to hear your takes on a series of tire 
treads and widths. And thanks for the nice words about the bike!

I didn't plan this but Jan Heine just posted a blog about riding a 400km 
paved brevet on 2.3" Rat Trap Pass tires. He liked it! 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/too-much-tire-a-road-test/


On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 8:54:25 AM UTC-4 Damien wrote:

> Hey Eric, I'm on a 51 Sam (650b) so keep that in mind as I run through my 
> experience. I started with 42 Paselas and those felt good on long road 
> rides, then moved to 43 rock 'n' roads for some more bite on trails. I 
> wanted to go bigger yet as I was riding more on gravel and trails so I now 
> have 48 gravel king slicks. I like the tread on the gravel kings, but as I 
> find myself riding road more I'm finding the ride is a little bit bouncy, 
> sluggish and heavy on the road at that size, and I find the handling a bit 
> funny. As you're on a larger Sam, your experience might be different, but I 
> feel that on my Sam in that size, 42 in 650b felt to be just about right 
> for road and I'm planning on moving to Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass tires at 
> some point, or even back to the Paselas. 
>
> Hope that's helpful (even though I can't speak to the brevet side of your 
> question)
>
> BTW, your Sam is lovely and the Snoqualmie Pass' look just about perfectly 
> proportioned on it
>
> Damien
>
> On Tuesday, 9 August 2022 at 08:23:03 UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
>> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
>> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
>> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
>> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
>> I'm excited to try. 
>>
>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>>
>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Damien]

Hey Eric, I'm on a 51 Sam (650b) so keep that in mind as I run through my 
experience. I started with 42 Paselas and those felt good on long road 
rides, then moved to 43 rock 'n' roads for some more bite on trails. I 
wanted to go bigger yet as I was riding more on gravel and trails so I now 
have 48 gravel king slicks. I like the tread on the gravel kings, but as I 
find myself riding road more I'm finding the ride is a little bit bouncy, 
sluggish and heavy on the road at that size, and I find the handling a bit 
funny. As you're on a larger Sam, your experience might be different, but I 
feel that on my Sam in that size, 42 in 650b felt to be just about right 
for road and I'm planning on moving to Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass tires at 
some point, or even back to the Paselas. 

Hope that's helpful (even though I can't speak to the brevet side of your 
question)

BTW, your Sam is lovely and the Snoqualmie Pass' look just about perfectly 
proportioned on it

Damien

On Tuesday, 9 August 2022 at 08:23:03 UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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