[RBW] Re: boscomoose - pictures, experiences, comparisons?

[iamkeith]

Thanks, Garth.  Funny - this thread isn't even that old, and I've changed 
several things since posting.  I guess I really am a chronic cockpit 
tinkerer.  Related to the original question, I did move my boscomoose back 
to my Clem, now that I have it back.  Even though I'd still like the stem 
to be longer, they continue to be the best bar on that bike.  [I did have a 
140 ritchey stem (25.4 quill) and aluminum boscos years ago when I first 
built that bike and it fit better, but the stiffness of the moose version 
still makes it the best compromise.]

I moved my tosco to the Susie pictured above with a 130mm faceplater stem.  
Once again, a longer stem would be even better, but this was still a huge 
improvement on that bike relative to the boscomoose.  Wider, less bent 
back, less rise (on a frame that has a super-talll headtube  already.)  
Thumbshifters work better in the normal/outer position  on toscos than 
boscos, but I left them inside and reversed for now.

I put some Ron's Orrtho bars on the bike that previously had toscos.  In 
this case, black/threadless is actually ideal.  But... 31.8 doesnt work 
without a shim.  I might try this anyway.  The best 26.0 stem I was able to 
find was 130mm.  Somewhere, I posted pics showing how similar the ortho ant 
tosco are.

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> Hey Keith I was looking at stems today and was reminded that Zipp makes 
> 140mm and 150mm 31.8 threadless stems +/-6d. Black only, but those can be 
> altered if you really want silver. I'm not into playing with chemicals 
> myself so I'd seek out a auto/moto paint/body shop that has a media blaster 
> for aluminum. 
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:29:27 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> About to take Susie out for an evening ride, I just remembered that the 
>> slope of the bars is better than when it's on the Clem   because the 
>> slightly slacker headube angle.  When I had the adjustable kind, I still 
>> liked them a bit more sloped than this though
>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:41:14 AM UTC-6 Paul Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> howdy folks
>>>
>>> i've been doing the best digging i can and cannot seem to wrangle very 
>>> many pictures of rivs with boscomoose bars.  have you tried them?  did you 
>>> like them?  i ride big bikes, so i'm not too concerned about knee strike on 
>>> the bar-ends, which i gather can be a drawback for some.  their fixedness 
>>> obviously makes for a riskier purchase than separate stem+bars, so i'd love 
>>> to hear your experience before i take the plunge!
>>>
>>> thanks in advance
>>> paul
>>> takoma park, md.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: boscomoose - pictures, experiences, comparisons?

[Garth]

Hey Keith I was looking at stems today and was reminded that Zipp makes 
140mm and 150mm 31.8 threadless stems +/-6d. Black only, but those can be 
altered if you really want silver. I'm not into playing with chemicals 
myself so I'd seek out a auto/moto paint/body shop that has a media blaster 
for aluminum. 
On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:29:27 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> About to take Susie out for an evening ride, I just remembered that the 
> slope of the bars is better than when it's on the Clem   because the 
> slightly slacker headube angle.  When I had the adjustable kind, I still 
> liked them a bit more sloped than this though
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:41:14 AM UTC-6 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> howdy folks
>>
>> i've been doing the best digging i can and cannot seem to wrangle very 
>> many pictures of rivs with boscomoose bars.  have you tried them?  did you 
>> like them?  i ride big bikes, so i'm not too concerned about knee strike on 
>> the bar-ends, which i gather can be a drawback for some.  their fixedness 
>> obviously makes for a riskier purchase than separate stem+bars, so i'd love 
>> to hear your experience before i take the plunge!
>>
>> thanks in advance
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: boscomoose - pictures, experiences, comparisons?

[Jared Wilson]

Paul,

The Cheviot on the Riv site was I believe Casey's bike, feature what are 
known as the "wrong angle" boscomoose bars. 

Somehow a small batch was done with more tilt than Riv had requested, 
resulting in a better product for some people.

My wife has a pair of "normal" boscomoose on her Platypus and loves them, I 
actually bought them for myself but didn't like the "flatness" of them, I 
prefer more angle.

At the Riv garage sale earlier this year I picked up another pair because I 
do love the stiff quality they offer, but yet again I didn't jive with the 
fixed angle and moved them along to another group member.

I'll try and dig up a couple photos this evening.

Best,

jared

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:43:17 AM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:

> thanks to all for taking the time to respond.
>
> keith--tosco certainly looks nice but i'm really looking for 
> moosebars--maybe choco, but probably bosco.  i'm surprised to see yours 
> sloping down as much as they do.  the angle looks like the cheviot picture 
> on the riv site, and (to my eye) a lot steeper downward than the photos on 
> bluelug.  but gee gah maybe it's all an optical illusion, or a result of 
> headtube angle?!
>
> jay--sitting "more upright than i wanted" is...exactly what i want!
>
> eric--bluelug 
> 
>  
> is a treasure trove of photos--totally forgot to look there first.
>
> time to start saving my allowance!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: boscomoose - pictures, experiences, comparisons?

[Paul Richardson]

thanks to all for taking the time to respond.

keith--tosco certainly looks nice but i'm really looking for 
moosebars--maybe choco, but probably bosco.  i'm surprised to see yours 
sloping down as much as they do.  the angle looks like the cheviot picture 
on the riv site, and (to my eye) a lot steeper downward than the photos on 
bluelug.  but gee gah maybe it's all an optical illusion, or a result of 
headtube angle?!

jay--sitting "more upright than i wanted" is...exactly what i want!

eric--bluelug 

 
is a treasure trove of photos--totally forgot to look there first.

time to start saving my allowance!

paul
takoma park, md.




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[RBW] Re: boscomoose - pictures, experiences, comparisons?

[Eric Marth]

Oops third pic is another Clem!

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:45:12 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Blue Lug has a few photos, of course. Always a great source for Riv 
> builds. 
>
> Clem, Homer, Appaloosa below. 
>
> [image: bm1.png]
>
> [image: bm2.png]
>
> [image: 50511203443_521c45c97f_h.jpg]
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>
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[RBW] Re: boscomoose - pictures, experiences, comparisons?

[iamkeith]

One more thing to illustrate with that picture, that I also just 
remembered:  my "primary" hand position (when just riding along) wants to 
be in front of those grips, almost on the curved part of the bar.  I 
haven't taped it or anything, but I operate the brake levers with my 
pinkies and hook my thumb in front of the shifters.  This bike even has a 
long-by-rivendell-standards top tube, so you can see why a much longer stem 
would be better.

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:29:27 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> About to take Susie out for an evening ride, I just remembered that the 
> slope of the bars is better than when it's on the Clem   because the 
> slightly slacker headube angle.  When I had the adjustable kind, I still 
> liked them a bit more sloped than this though
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:41:14 AM UTC-6 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> howdy folks
>>
>> i've been doing the best digging i can and cannot seem to wrangle very 
>> many pictures of rivs with boscomoose bars.  have you tried them?  did you 
>> like them?  i ride big bikes, so i'm not too concerned about knee strike on 
>> the bar-ends, which i gather can be a drawback for some.  their fixedness 
>> obviously makes for a riskier purchase than separate stem+bars, so i'd love 
>> to hear your experience before i take the plunge!
>>
>> thanks in advance
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: boscomoose - pictures, experiences, comparisons?

[Brian Turner]

There was a Tosco-moose version for a short time, and I’m not sure if it was only that one production run… but they do exist.I would snag one of those in a heartbeat if they ever made them again, because I love the Tosco bar. Would love to try a bit stiffer version too.On May 20, 2023, at 1:03 PM, iamkeith  wrote:I had them on my clem, and now on my susie.  I got rid of the clem to get the susie, but am gettingthe clem back and will move the boscomoose back too.  I have a love/hate relationship with them, but went through a half dozen other bars on the clem, always going back to the boscomoose.On the plus side, they are the only version that's stiff enough.  The aluminum ones were so flexy, I wasn't even comfortable using the bike while standing out of the saddle.  Comfort-wise  they are "almost" ideal.I regularly wish they had a longer stem reach and, especially, that the ends pointed down toward the back more.  It's a bit wheelbarrow-like, and hard to keep from sliding forward.  I also wish they had less rise, were quite a bit wider, and had more flare as well. (Or "less" flare?  I wish that they were a bit less  bent back, or turned out more.)All of these things - except the ideal moose construction - are solved by the steel Tosco.  I so hope they'll do a moose version, but its not made by Nito unfortunately.  I'll kerp both bars for variety but, if I only had one, it'd be the Tosco.  I actually bought a second one so I never have to worry about losing it.  The only problem is that it's 31.8 and it is VERY hard to find stems that are long enough.  150mm +/- .Ill find and post pics.On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:41:14 AM UTC-6 Paul Richardson wrote:howdy folksi've been doing the best digging i can and cannot seem to wrangle very many pictures of rivs with boscomoose bars.  have you tried them?  did you like them?  i ride big bikes, so i'm not too concerned about knee strike on the bar-ends, which i gather can be a drawback for some.  their fixedness obviously makes for a riskier purchase than separate stem+bars, so i'd love to hear your experience before i take the plunge!thanks in advancepaultakoma park, md.



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[RBW] Re: boscomoose - pictures, experiences, comparisons?

[iamkeith]

I had them on my clem, and now on my susie.  I got rid of the clem to get 
the susie, but am gettingthe clem back and will move the boscomoose back 
too.  I have a love/hate relationship with them, but went through a half 
dozen other bars on the clem, always going back to the boscomoose.

On the plus side, they are the only version that's stiff enough.  The 
aluminum ones were so flexy, I wasn't even comfortable using the bike while 
standing out of the saddle.  Comfort-wise  they are "almost" ideal.

I regularly wish they had a longer stem reach and, especially, that the 
ends pointed down toward the back more.  It's a bit wheelbarrow-like, and 
hard to keep from sliding forward.  I also wish they had less rise, were 
quite a bit wider, and had more flare as well. (Or "less" flare?  I wish 
that they were a bit less  bent back, or turned out more.)

All of these things - except the ideal moose construction - are solved by 
the steel Tosco.  I so hope they'll do a moose version, but its not made by 
Nito unfortunately.  I'll kerp both bars for variety but, if I only had 
one, it'd be the Tosco.  I actually bought a second one so I never have to 
worry about losing it.  The only problem is that it's 31.8 and it is VERY 
hard to find stems that are long enough.  150mm +/- .

Ill find and post pics.
On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:41:14 AM UTC-6 Paul Richardson wrote:

> howdy folks
>
> i've been doing the best digging i can and cannot seem to wrangle very 
> many pictures of rivs with boscomoose bars.  have you tried them?  did you 
> like them?  i ride big bikes, so i'm not too concerned about knee strike on 
> the bar-ends, which i gather can be a drawback for some.  their fixedness 
> obviously makes for a riskier purchase than separate stem+bars, so i'd love 
> to hear your experience before i take the plunge!
>
> thanks in advance
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>

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