Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
Hi all, sorry for the off topic post. But since I noticed Peter M has become active on the list again I wanted to warn other members should he post items for sale in the future DO NOT buy from him as he will accept payment but not send you your items. Although other list members have had difficulty dealing with him ultimately they received their stuff. I and another list member were not so lucky. Forgive this interruption but I would like to be a small part of keeping ROB a safe and fun place to share ideas and buy goods from other like minded members. Sincerely, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
looks like the intense draw of the rivendell group has brought him out of hiding. somewhat insulted and shocked that he thinks he can just show up again. im not as diplomatic as Richard. Peter, you owe me money, man... a decent person would also include a sincere apology. sorry to be so off topic. needed to be said -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
don't know him, but this is a post I dragged up from last year On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 2:06:11 PM UTC-5, Richard Rios wrote: Hi all, sorry for the off topic post. But since I noticed Peter M has become active on the list again I wanted to warn other members should he post items for sale in the future DO NOT buy from him as he will accept payment but not send you your items. Although other list members have had difficulty dealing with him ultimately they received their stuff. I and another list member were not so lucky. Forgive this interruption but I would like to be a small part of keeping ROB a safe and fun place to share ideas and buy goods from other like minded members. Sincerely, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
ah. well we are idiots. i do hope that he stays away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
Hi all, sorry for the off topic post. But since I noticed Peter M has become active on the list again I wanted to warn other members should he post items for sale in the future DO NOT buy from him as he will accept payment but not send you your items. Although other list members have had difficulty dealing with him ultimately they received their stuff. I and another list member were not so lucky. Forgive this interruption but I would like to be a small part of keeping ROB a safe and fun place to share ideas and buy goods from other like minded members. Sincerely, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
Apologies didn't notice the date, but I will let the post stand just in case. I'd feel pretty bad if he pops back up and someone else is taken advantage of... I really do like the varnish idea though as I put shellac on my cork grips and they did become hard and slippery. Keeping the grips nice and squishy plus waterproof is a fantastic idea. Not sure I personally have the patience for it though... sincerely, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
brought up this old topic for two reasons - first to show off my results over the winter with spar varnish on cork and shellac on twine wraps (it was brown twine, chosen to accent the spalted look of the varnished cork) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Viner/aP3180017.jpg but also to mention this other product that fly rod builders use - this won't make the cork look dark and spalted, but instead will seal the cork and keep it looking bright and natural http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/U-40/U-40-Cork-Seal-2-oz- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
Nice work Ron. I just shellacked my bar tape but for next time, any specific suggestions on which type of spar varnish? David On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com mailto:bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: brought up this old topic for two reasons - first to show off my results over the winter with spar varnish on cork and shellac on twine wraps (it was brown twine, chosen to accent the spalted look of the varnished cork) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Viner/aP3180017.jpg but also to mention this other product that fly rod builders use - this won't make the cork look dark and spalted, but instead will seal the cork and keep it looking bright and natural http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/U-40/U-40-Cork-Seal-2-oz- http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/U-40/U-40-Cork-Seal-2-oz- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
I have some fancy stuff around, Sutherland Welles, but plain old Helmsman available at hardware stores, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. is very good spar varnish. If you buy varnish, you also want to get some kind of inert gas like Bloxygen (you don't need this with shellac or the U-40 sealant). Pour out your working varnish supply into a glass jar, spray Bloxygen and seal the can. Also spray Bloxygen into the top of the jar every time you close it. Both can and jar will keep indefinitely. Wipe on a thin coat with a lint-free cloth and go away for a day. After your coats are done, let it dry a couple of days and lightly buff with a clean lint-free cloth (removes oil that would otherwise pick up on your hands and gloves). On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:42:01 AM UTC-5, David Hays wrote: Nice work Ron. I just shellacked my bar tape but for next time, any specific suggestions on which type of spar varnish? David On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: brought up this old topic for two reasons - first to show off my results over the winter with spar varnish on cork and shellac on twine wraps (it was brown twine, chosen to accent the spalted look of the varnished cork) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Viner/aP3180017.jpg but also to mention this other product that fly rod builders use - this won't make the cork look dark and spalted, but instead will seal the cork and keep it looking bright and natural http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/U-40/U-40-Cork-Seal-2-oz- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
yes, beautiful and great idea. i don't use cork grips, but im wondering how this would work on cloth tape. now i shellack them and while i like the look and the weather resistance, the hardness is not ideal. have you tried the spar varnish over cloth? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
drew, I've never tried but it should work, and the U-40 should, as well. Shellac is hard, but Varnish or U-40 will be tough and flexible. On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:07:51 AM UTC-5, drew wrote: yes, beautiful and great idea. i don't use cork grips, but im wondering how this would work on cloth tape. now i shellack them and while i like the look and the weather resistance, the hardness is not ideal. have you tried the spar varnish over cloth? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
btw, propane is an inexpensive substitute for Bloxygen, in case you have a gas grill or camp lantern. On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: I have some fancy stuff around, Sutherland Welles, but plain old Helmsman available at hardware stores, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. is very good spar varnish. If you buy varnish, you also want to get some kind of inert gas like Bloxygen (you don't need this with shellac or the U-40 sealant). Pour out your working varnish supply into a glass jar, spray Bloxygen and seal the can. Also spray Bloxygen into the top of the jar every time you close it. Both can and jar will keep indefinitely. Wipe on a thin coat with a lint-free cloth and go away for a day. After your coats are done, let it dry a couple of days and lightly buff with a clean lint-free cloth (removes oil that would otherwise pick up on your hands and gloves). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
Brilliant! With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, April 12, 2014 7:07:06 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: I come from a bamboo fly rod background, and we used flexible coatings to turn fibrous materials into tough composites - spar varnish, and maybe as exotic as mastic varnish on silk thread wraps or to turn an old silk braid into a floating fly line. When I made my first twine wrap on a bike, it was natural for me to coat it with spar varnish. Later wraps, found out shellac is awesome for this application because twine wraps on a bike don't need to be flexible - twine it, shellac it, and it's good to go and go. More than 2 coats would also be a mistake. While I haven't tried shellac on cork grips, its use there doesn't make sense. Take a soft grippy material and put a hard slick exoskeleton on it - seems to defeat every purpose of a cork grip. Three years ago, when I put cork grips on my daughter's upright bike, I used spar varnish and here's the result 3 years later - it's soft and grippy, and still beads water like a new Ferrari http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aaP4110011.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aaP4110005.jpg That's the good news - now the bad news: you have to be patient, because it takes 7 days to do this right (hey, it takes a month to mastic-varnish a silk fly line). You want 5 coats, and wait a day between each coat to let it soak and cure. You apply thin coats and of course the cork sucks it right up. Wait a day and apply another. It won't be until the 4th coat that you can see the cork is sealed and you're apply a build-up. After the last coat, give it two days to cure, and it will still feel tacky - don't worry. Take a lint-free cloth and buff it like you're shining shoes. You will be delighted with the result for years... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
Thanks, friend. I failed to mention how the varnish instantly highlights the rings and spalted texture of the cork - IMO, makes it gorgeous. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aP335.jpg At San Antonio's Siclovia (cyclovia to everyone else) her cork grips got more comments than my old Raleigh and our friend's watermelon Nutcase helmet http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aP333.jpg On Saturday, April 12, 2014 8:09:50 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Brilliant! With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, April 12, 2014 7:07:06 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: I come from a bamboo fly rod background, and we used flexible coatings to turn fibrous materials into tough composites - spar varnish, and maybe as exotic as mastic varnish on silk thread wraps or to turn an old silk braid into a floating fly line. When I made my first twine wrap on a bike, it was natural for me to coat it with spar varnish. Later wraps, found out shellac is awesome for this application because twine wraps on a bike don't need to be flexible - twine it, shellac it, and it's good to go and go. More than 2 coats would also be a mistake. While I haven't tried shellac on cork grips, its use there doesn't make sense. Take a soft grippy material and put a hard slick exoskeleton on it - seems to defeat every purpose of a cork grip. Three years ago, when I put cork grips on my daughter's upright bike, I used spar varnish and here's the result 3 years later - it's soft and grippy, and still beads water like a new Ferrari http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aaP4110011.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aaP4110005.jpg That's the good news - now the bad news: you have to be patient, because it takes 7 days to do this right (hey, it takes a month to mastic-varnish a silk fly line). You want 5 coats, and wait a day between each coat to let it soak and cure. You apply thin coats and of course the cork sucks it right up. Wait a day and apply another. It won't be until the 4th coat that you can see the cork is sealed and you're apply a build-up. After the last coat, give it two days to cure, and it will still feel tacky - don't worry. Take a lint-free cloth and buff it like you're shining shoes. You will be delighted with the result for years... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
so far I've left mine natural because I see the shellac flake (yuk). The spar varnish does look fantastic. On Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:07:06 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: I come from a bamboo fly rod background, and we used flexible coatings to turn fibrous materials into tough composites - spar varnish, and maybe as exotic as mastic varnish on silk thread wraps or to turn an old silk braid into a floating fly line. When I made my first twine wrap on a bike, it was natural for me to coat it with spar varnish. Later wraps, found out shellac is awesome for this application because twine wraps on a bike don't need to be flexible - twine it, shellac it, and it's good to go and go. More than 2 coats would also be a mistake. While I haven't tried shellac on cork grips, its use there doesn't make sense. Take a soft grippy material and put a hard slick exoskeleton on it - seems to defeat every purpose of a cork grip. Three years ago, when I put cork grips on my daughter's upright bike, I used spar varnish and here's the result 3 years later - it's soft and grippy, and still beads water like a new Ferrari http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aaP4110011.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aaP4110005.jpg That's the good news - now the bad news: you have to be patient, because it takes 7 days to do this right (hey, it takes a month to mastic-varnish a silk fly line). You want 5 coats, and wait a day between each coat to let it soak and cure. You apply thin coats and of course the cork sucks it right up. Wait a day and apply another. It won't be until the 4th coat that you can see the cork is sealed and you're apply a build-up. After the last coat, give it two days to cure, and it will still feel tacky - don't worry. Take a lint-free cloth and buff it like you're shining shoes. You will be delighted with the result for years... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
Philip, Spar varnish should work great because its flexible, but I think you would have to strip the shellac first. On Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:47:26 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote: I feel a trip to the hardware store coming on... That makes cork grips far more appealing to me. I varnished some skateboard pedal decks, but the shellac whitened in the rain. Can I spar varnish right over the shellac, or do I need to strip the shellac off, first? This is to protect and shine up the bottoms of recycled skateboard squares that snap into clipless pedals to make a platform. Is that even a legitimate use of that material? Thanks, Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
I have varnished cork grips before, it did come out nice but here in upstate NY it took about 10 days to get it all done. It was inside in the winter so I had the time, came out nice though. On Apr 12, 2014 4:19 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: Philip, Spar varnish should work great because its flexible, but I think you would have to strip the shellac first. On Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:47:26 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote: I feel a trip to the hardware store coming on... That makes cork grips far more appealing to me. I varnished some skateboard pedal decks, but the shellac whitened in the rain. Can I spar varnish right over the shellac, or do I need to strip the shellac off, first? This is to protect and shine up the bottoms of recycled skateboard squares that snap into clipless pedals to make a platform. Is that even a legitimate use of that material? Thanks, Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish
Thanks. Your pictures of the varnished grips are the best looking cork grips I've seen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
