[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
Yup nivachrome, I think it was a bit stronger so they were able to draw the tubes a bit thinner. We have always like the bike. Went down to Santana to get a braze on for the bike so we would be able to use the new dic brake. Looked around saw all the new upgrades and also saw Bills Beyond tandem. Lifted it and that was about all it took to make the big purchase. They did all the upgrades we wanted on the noventa and we ended up buying it back. Santana said they would sell the noventa for us on ebay. The selling price of the noventa was then put toward the purchace of the new tandem. So now we still have an upgraded Noventa and a super light really fast Beyond. We put racks on the Noventa and it carries the weight well, we have even pulled a BOB trailer lots of miles behind it as well. Steve - Original Message - From: "Steve Palincsar" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: tandems and touring > > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:02 -0800, Steve Kesling wrote: >> Seth, Santana stopped making the Noventa a few years back. It was a >> fillet >> brazed frame, very well done, smooth welds and very clean. We toured >> with >> fenders on ours and maybe 700x 28's tires. > > Noventa was the high end model made of Nivachrome steel, yes? > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:02 -0800, Steve Kesling wrote: > Seth, Santana stopped making the Noventa a few years back. It was a fillet > brazed frame, very well done, smooth welds and very clean. We toured with > fenders on ours and maybe 700x 28's tires. Found a fuller description of the Noventa online: http://www.tandemmag.com/roadtest/noventa97/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:02 -0800, Steve Kesling wrote: > Seth, Santana stopped making the Noventa a few years back. It was a fillet > brazed frame, very well done, smooth welds and very clean. We toured with > fenders on ours and maybe 700x 28's tires. Noventa was the high end model made of Nivachrome steel, yes? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
Seth, Santana stopped making the Noventa a few years back. It was a fillet brazed frame, very well done, smooth welds and very clean. We toured with fenders on ours and maybe 700x 28's tires. Steve - Original Message - From: "Seth Vidal" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: tandems and touring On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:41 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > Jim, thanks for the link to the tandem group. I subscribed right away > but don't have time right now to search the archives. I also hesitate > to take this group off in a direction it wasn't intended for, but > maybe Steve could answer two quick, simple, and maybe dumb questions. > > Santana doesn't list the Noventa on its web site, so have been > focused on the Arriva frame. Do you know what the tire capacity is, > and how well its designed to take fenders and racks for touring? > > I keep reading about "Tandem Cranks", but don't remember ever seeing > one on a mfg web site. I would assume that the stoker's crank is a > standard crank, a longer axle, and a SS crank; and the pilot's crank > is a standard SS crank. No? > the timing-chain between pilot and stoker is on the left. driveside for the captain is on the left. both sides are drive side for the stoker. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/tandem.html -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
Thanks. Of course. I wasn't thinking past the axle; pedal thread didn't occur to me. michael On Mar 17, 1:46 pm, Bill Connell wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:41 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > I keep reading about "Tandem Cranks", but don't remember ever seeing > > one on a mfg web site. I would assume that the stoker's crank is a > > standard crank, a longer axle, and a SS crank; and the pilot's crank > > is a standard SS crank. No? > > The difference with tandem cranks is that the pedal threading is > backwards - since the spider is on the left side, the threading needs > to be reversed or they'll unscrew themselves. > > -- > Bill Connell > St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 10:41 -0700, MichaelH wrote: > Santana doesn't list the Noventa on its web site, so have been > focused on the Arriva frame. Do you know what the tire capacity is, > and how well its designed to take fenders and racks for touring? > I'm not familiar with recent Arrivas, but back in the day all Santanas could take tires up to around 35 mm, and had fittings for racks. I took my old 83 steel Sovereign touring several times. > I keep reading about "Tandem Cranks", but don't remember ever seeing > one on a mfg web site. I would assume that the stoker's crank is a > standard crank, a longer axle, and a SS crank; and the pilot's crank > is a standard SS crank. No? You might find this article http://www.bikexprt.com/bicycle/tancrank.htm of interest. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:41 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > Jim, thanks for the link to the tandem group. I subscribed right away > but don't have time right now to search the archives. I also hesitate > to take this group off in a direction it wasn't intended for, but > maybe Steve could answer two quick, simple, and maybe dumb questions. > > Santana doesn't list the Noventa on its web site, so have been > focused on the Arriva frame. Do you know what the tire capacity is, > and how well its designed to take fenders and racks for touring? > > I keep reading about "Tandem Cranks", but don't remember ever seeing > one on a mfg web site. I would assume that the stoker's crank is a > standard crank, a longer axle, and a SS crank; and the pilot's crank > is a standard SS crank. No? > the timing-chain between pilot and stoker is on the left. driveside for the captain is on the left. both sides are drive side for the stoker. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/tandem.html -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:41 PM, MichaelH wrote: > I keep reading about "Tandem Cranks", but don't remember ever seeing > one on a mfg web site. I would assume that the stoker's crank is a > standard crank, a longer axle, and a SS crank; and the pilot's crank > is a standard SS crank. No? The difference with tandem cranks is that the pedal threading is backwards - since the spider is on the left side, the threading needs to be reversed or they'll unscrew themselves. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
Jim, thanks for the link to the tandem group. I subscribed right away but don't have time right now to search the archives. I also hesitate to take this group off in a direction it wasn't intended for, but maybe Steve could answer two quick, simple, and maybe dumb questions. Santana doesn't list the Noventa on its web site, so have been focused on the Arriva frame. Do you know what the tire capacity is, and how well its designed to take fenders and racks for touring? I keep reading about "Tandem Cranks", but don't remember ever seeing one on a mfg web site. I would assume that the stoker's crank is a standard crank, a longer axle, and a SS crank; and the pilot's crank is a standard SS crank. No? Michael On Mar 16, 8:15 pm, "Steve Kesling" wrote: > Well looks like the tandem thing sparked some interest. Lynn and I have been > riding a tandem since we were married, almost 30 years now. One of the > conditions of marriage was that she would ride cross country with me since I > was unable to go the inaugural year of 1976. Opps I hope she doesn't see > that last statement. Our son was 18 months old when we road the first time > across. We pulled him behind our Taylor tandem in an equinox trailer and > were told that he was the youngest ever to go across. That was back in 1981. > He was a trooper. When he was 15, we went again only this time he had to > pedal himself and when my wife and I turned 50 we did a third trip across > with Nancy Redpath from Imagine Tours. We have had a Santana triplet, a > Santa noventa and now ride the Santana Beyond. The Jack Taylor still hangs > from the ceiling with its beautiful tandem campy crankset. That bike will > stay in the family forever or at least until my son inherits it. So ask away > I have lots of opinions. My brother in law rides his co motion and it to is > a wonderful machine. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
I only used it for week, but I was very impressed. The bike handled well and you could cary a lot of stuff. I could of easily done without the front panniers. The trailer attached to axel caps that are designed to except the trailer ends. The make both nuts and quick release versions. The frame of the mount uses spring of the steel to hold it in place. The have a video that shows it at: http://www.extrawheel.com/instrukcja_en.php The Santana has a 140mm drop out width which was the maximum when I bought it 2 years ago. Tom On Mar 17, 10:59 am, JimD wrote: > That ExtraWheel trailer is pretty neat. > I'd be interested in hearing how well it works. > Looked at ExtraWheel's www site and wonder how reliably the trailer > is attached to the bike.http://www.extrawheel.com/index.php > > -JimD > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 6:14 AM, tdusky wrote: > > > > > I did a week tour with my 16 year old daughter in 2007 on Prince > > Edward Island. My 22 year old Santana Arriva worked great. I really > > liked the ExtraWheel trailer. You can see our rig here: > >http://www.pbase.com/canyonlands/image/88617834 > > > Best of Luck > > > Tom Dusky > > Huntington Woods MI --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
That ExtraWheel trailer is pretty neat. I'd be interested in hearing how well it works. Looked at ExtraWheel's www site and wonder how reliably the trailer is attached to the bike. http://www.extrawheel.com/index.php -JimD On Mar 17, 2009, at 6:14 AM, tdusky wrote: > > I did a week tour with my 16 year old daughter in 2007 on Prince > Edward Island. My 22 year old Santana Arriva worked great. I really > liked the ExtraWheel trailer. You can see our rig here: > http://www.pbase.com/canyonlands/image/88617834 > > Best of Luck > > Tom Dusky > Huntington Woods MI > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
I did a week tour with my 16 year old daughter in 2007 on Prince Edward Island. My 22 year old Santana Arriva worked great. I really liked the ExtraWheel trailer. You can see our rig here: http://www.pbase.com/canyonlands/image/88617834 Best of Luck Tom Dusky Huntington Woods MI --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: tandems and touring
Thanks Steve. I would also say that one of the really comprehensive resources on tandems can be found at Tandem @ Hobbes - http://www.thetandemlink.com/hobbes.html - J http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/507738982/ -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes The Gallery needs your photos! Send 'em in - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "She edged in to get a better look at the bike, how it was made, the intricacy of its brakes and shifters pulling her straight in. Beauty." -- William Gibson, "Virtual Light" on 3/16/09 4:15 PM, Steve Kesling at akesl...@pacific.net wrote: Well looks like the tandem thing sparked some interest. Lynn and I have been riding a tandem since we were married, almost 30 years now. One of the conditions of marriage was that she would ride cross country with me since I was unable to go the inaugural year of 1976. Opps I hope she doesn't see that last statement. Our son was 18 months old when we road the first time across. We pulled him behind our Taylor tandem in an equinox trailer and were told that he was the youngest ever to go across. That was back in 1981. He was a trooper. When he was 15, we went again only this time he had to pedal himself and when my wife and I turned 50 we did a third trip across with Nancy Redpath from Imagine Tours. We have had a Santana triplet, a Santa noventa and now ride the Santana Beyond. The Jack Taylor still hangs from the ceiling with its beautiful tandem campy crankset. That bike will stay in the family forever or at least until my son inherits it. So ask away I have lots of opinions. My brother in law rides his co motion and it to is a wonderful machine. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
