[RBW] Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

[René Sterental]

Hi all,

After spending all weekend in the delicious task of rebuilding my newly
painted Hunqapillar with its low trail fork, I'm happy to report that I'm
mostly done and share the photos that proved I worked hard and loved every
minute of it.

Pictures to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/

Afterwards, I took the bike on its maiden ride to test everything around
the paths in Stanford University and stopped for a beautiful sunset moment
in the garden outside the Rodin museum.

I did several updates to this build:
- Went with a 175mm 26/40 Sugino crankset, but will likely replace with a
172.5mm 24/38 I just converted. I've had some hip issues and seem to handle
the 172.5mm better, although the Betty has the 175 and I've been doing fine
with it. Go figure. Maybe the repeated attempts to stay on the Low
Carb/High Fat diet with progressively shorter relapse intervals is
working... The 24 will definitely help me in the climbs, at least until I
lose significant weight, and for the same reason, the 38 may be a bit more
"friendly" on the flats, especially when riding loaded or on a headwind.

- Went with the 55cm steel Bosco handlebar instead of the previous 58cm
Bullmoose Bosco. While the Bullmoose is awesome and very stiff, after
riding it for a while before the repaint, it seemed a bit too wide. Riding
the much narrower GB Promenade handlebar on the Betty has made me realize I
prefer narrower handlebars than what I used to ride. While the Promenade
may be too narrow for the Hunqapillar, especially off-road, the 55cm Bosco
seems like a perfect middle ground. I've also noticed than as I've started
riding narrower handlebars, my shoulder and neck pain have also
significantly improved. Even when riding the GB Randonneur bars on the
Atlantis with their more forward position. Another improvement I chose is
to use reverse brake levers in order to get the full smooth sections of the
Bosco bar while improving the hand positions that still allow me access to
the brakes. I currently have a set of Tektro 4.1 reverse levers, but will
try a set of Paul's reverse brake levers as they provide more versatility.
The Tektro reverse brake levers also seem to provide a very "flexy" braking
experience, so I want to see if the Pauls work better.

- After much thought, I decided to not mount the Pass & Stow rack that I
had before and instead, mount the Nitto Mini + Tubus Nova that I first used
on my Bombadil. I'm still keeping the Pass & Stow rack and may install it
again, but I didn't like the Porteur bags so much and will try using front
panniers instead.

- Decided to try a pair of 50mm Schwalbe Big Ben tires, and I have to say
I'm quite impressed. They roll very nicely, and on the dirt and rough
pavement provide a definite cushy ride. Did I say I'm quite impressed?

- Still pending is the taping of the handlebars. I'd like to experiment
with the full leather sewn-on bar cover that Velo Orange sells, but may
also end up using Brooks leather tape or the super cushy Cinnelli gel-cork
tape I'm using on the Atlantis. I really like it. I'll probably end up
taping the handle bars next weekend, once I'm sure everything on the
cockpit is the way I want it.

Happy riding and planning an S240 soon, since I couldn't make it the last
one organized through this list.

René

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Re: [RBW] Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

[Brian Hanson]

Really nice looking build, Rene!  I love the pewter on the hunqa!  Who did
the paint?  Are you OK with the shifters wayyy down there?  I was trying to
figure out the best shifting setup on Bosco's and I think thumbies near the
stem are the closest, but I do like having the full bars available.  I may
have to try the reverse levers.

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:36 PM, René Sterental wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> After spending all weekend in the delicious task of rebuilding my newly
> painted Hunqapillar with its low trail fork, I'm happy to report that I'm
> mostly done and share the photos that proved I worked hard and loved every
> minute of it.
>
> Pictures to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/
>
> Afterwards, I took the bike on its maiden ride to test everything around
> the paths in Stanford University and stopped for a beautiful sunset moment
> in the garden outside the Rodin museum.
>
> I did several updates to this build:
> - Went with a 175mm 26/40 Sugino crankset, but will likely replace with a
> 172.5mm 24/38 I just converted. I've had some hip issues and seem to handle
> the 172.5mm better, although the Betty has the 175 and I've been doing fine
> with it. Go figure. Maybe the repeated attempts to stay on the Low
> Carb/High Fat diet with progressively shorter relapse intervals is
> working... The 24 will definitely help me in the climbs, at least until I
> lose significant weight, and for the same reason, the 38 may be a bit more
> "friendly" on the flats, especially when riding loaded or on a headwind.
>
> - Went with the 55cm steel Bosco handlebar instead of the previous 58cm
> Bullmoose Bosco. While the Bullmoose is awesome and very stiff, after
> riding it for a while before the repaint, it seemed a bit too wide. Riding
> the much narrower GB Promenade handlebar on the Betty has made me realize I
> prefer narrower handlebars than what I used to ride. While the Promenade
> may be too narrow for the Hunqapillar, especially off-road, the 55cm Bosco
> seems like a perfect middle ground. I've also noticed than as I've started
> riding narrower handlebars, my shoulder and neck pain have also
> significantly improved. Even when riding the GB Randonneur bars on the
> Atlantis with their more forward position. Another improvement I chose is
> to use reverse brake levers in order to get the full smooth sections of the
> Bosco bar while improving the hand positions that still allow me access to
> the brakes. I currently have a set of Tektro 4.1 reverse levers, but will
> try a set of Paul's reverse brake levers as they provide more versatility.
> The Tektro reverse brake levers also seem to provide a very "flexy" braking
> experience, so I want to see if the Pauls work better.
>
> - After much thought, I decided to not mount the Pass & Stow rack that I
> had before and instead, mount the Nitto Mini + Tubus Nova that I first used
> on my Bombadil. I'm still keeping the Pass & Stow rack and may install it
> again, but I didn't like the Porteur bags so much and will try using front
> panniers instead.
>
> - Decided to try a pair of 50mm Schwalbe Big Ben tires, and I have to say
> I'm quite impressed. They roll very nicely, and on the dirt and rough
> pavement provide a definite cushy ride. Did I say I'm quite impressed?
>
> - Still pending is the taping of the handlebars. I'd like to experiment
> with the full leather sewn-on bar cover that Velo Orange sells, but may
> also end up using Brooks leather tape or the super cushy Cinnelli gel-cork
> tape I'm using on the Atlantis. I really like it. I'll probably end up
> taping the handle bars next weekend, once I'm sure everything on the
> cockpit is the way I want it.
>
> Happy riding and planning an S240 soon, since I couldn't make it the last
> one organized through this list.
>
> René
>
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Re: [RBW] Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

[René Sterental]

Thanks Brian!

I spent a long time deciding on the color scheme, particularly debating
between pewter and silver. Pewter ultimately won and I'm so glad I chose it.

Rick Stefani at D&D did the paint job. He's local and Keven sent me there.
He paints a lot of the Rivendell frames.

I do like the downtube shifters but after I fine tune the fit of the 55
Bosco on the 120mm Tallux stem, I'll see if there is space for the shifters
on the stem's quill. I have them like that on the Betty and love them. They
didn't fit with the Bullmoose Bosco, but they may fit on the regular.

The reverse levers are great, but the Tektro 4.1 seem provide a braking
feel that is too "flexy". On the Betty, with the front Paul Racer and the
rear Silver, they cannot lock the wheels on a steep downhill. The braking
seems to be a bit better on the Hunqapillar with the Neo-Retro/Touring
brakes, but I ordered a set of Paul's reverse brake levers that can be
configured to work both with long and short pull brakes. I have a strong
feeling, from the time I tried their regular levers, that they'll be much
better than the Tektros. The Tektros work well on flat commutes and regular
street riding, but I want to make sure I have brakes when I need them, and
not that I'll be pressing the levers like crazy while my tires slow and
then stop... or don't.

René


On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:

> Really nice looking build, Rene!  I love the pewter on the hunqa!  Who did
> the paint?  Are you OK with the shifters wayyy down there?  I was trying to
> figure out the best shifting setup on Bosco's and I think thumbies near the
> stem are the closest, but I do like having the full bars available.  I may
> have to try the reverse levers.
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:36 PM, René Sterental wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> After spending all weekend in the delicious task of rebuilding my newly
>> painted Hunqapillar with its low trail fork, I'm happy to report that I'm
>> mostly done and share the photos that proved I worked hard and loved every
>> minute of it.
>>
>> Pictures to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/
>>
>> Afterwards, I took the bike on its maiden ride to test everything around
>> the paths in Stanford University and stopped for a beautiful sunset moment
>> in the garden outside the Rodin museum.
>>
>> I did several updates to this build:
>> - Went with a 175mm 26/40 Sugino crankset, but will likely replace with a
>> 172.5mm 24/38 I just converted. I've had some hip issues and seem to handle
>> the 172.5mm better, although the Betty has the 175 and I've been doing fine
>> with it. Go figure. Maybe the repeated attempts to stay on the Low
>> Carb/High Fat diet with progressively shorter relapse intervals is
>> working... The 24 will definitely help me in the climbs, at least until I
>> lose significant weight, and for the same reason, the 38 may be a bit more
>> "friendly" on the flats, especially when riding loaded or on a headwind.
>>
>> - Went with the 55cm steel Bosco handlebar instead of the previous 58cm
>> Bullmoose Bosco. While the Bullmoose is awesome and very stiff, after
>> riding it for a while before the repaint, it seemed a bit too wide. Riding
>> the much narrower GB Promenade handlebar on the Betty has made me realize I
>> prefer narrower handlebars than what I used to ride. While the Promenade
>> may be too narrow for the Hunqapillar, especially off-road, the 55cm Bosco
>> seems like a perfect middle ground. I've also noticed than as I've started
>> riding narrower handlebars, my shoulder and neck pain have also
>> significantly improved. Even when riding the GB Randonneur bars on the
>> Atlantis with their more forward position. Another improvement I chose is
>> to use reverse brake levers in order to get the full smooth sections of the
>> Bosco bar while improving the hand positions that still allow me access to
>> the brakes. I currently have a set of Tektro 4.1 reverse levers, but will
>> try a set of Paul's reverse brake levers as they provide more versatility.
>> The Tektro reverse brake levers also seem to provide a very "flexy" braking
>> experience, so I want to see if the Pauls work better.
>>
>> - After much thought, I decided to not mount the Pass & Stow rack that I
>> had before and instead, mount the Nitto Mini + Tubus Nova that I first used
>> on my Bombadil. I'm still keeping the Pass & Stow rack and may install it
>> again, but I didn't like the Porteur bags so much and will try using front
>> panniers instead.
>>
>> - Decided to try a pair of 50mm Schwalbe Big Ben tires, and I have to say
>> I'm quite impressed. They roll very nicely, and on the dirt and rough
>> pavement provide a definite cushy ride. Did I say I'm quite impressed?
>>
>> - Still pending is the taping of the handlebars. I'd like to experiment
>> with the full leather sewn-on bar cover that Velo Orange sells, but may
>> also end up using Brooks leather tape or the super cushy Cinne

Re: [RBW] Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

[René Sterental]

Finished!

This morning I finished detailing the Hunqapillar.
http://tinyurl.com/dyoaomp

Changes made after riding it for a week:
- Changed to a 13cm stem.
- Changed brake levers to Paul's polished reverse brake levers. They work
much better than the Tektros and don't have that squishy feeling.
- Changed to a green Brooks B17 I had lying around, and used Brooks green
leather tape.

This bike has an amazing ride, especially with some weight on the front
panniers.

René


On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:56 PM, René Sterental wrote:

> Thanks Brian!
>
> I spent a long time deciding on the color scheme, particularly debating
> between pewter and silver. Pewter ultimately won and I'm so glad I chose it.
>
> Rick Stefani at D&D did the paint job. He's local and Keven sent me there.
> He paints a lot of the Rivendell frames.
>
> I do like the downtube shifters but after I fine tune the fit of the 55
> Bosco on the 120mm Tallux stem, I'll see if there is space for the shifters
> on the stem's quill. I have them like that on the Betty and love them. They
> didn't fit with the Bullmoose Bosco, but they may fit on the regular.
>
> The reverse levers are great, but the Tektro 4.1 seem provide a braking
> feel that is too "flexy". On the Betty, with the front Paul Racer and the
> rear Silver, they cannot lock the wheels on a steep downhill. The braking
> seems to be a bit better on the Hunqapillar with the Neo-Retro/Touring
> brakes, but I ordered a set of Paul's reverse brake levers that can be
> configured to work both with long and short pull brakes. I have a strong
> feeling, from the time I tried their regular levers, that they'll be much
> better than the Tektros. The Tektros work well on flat commutes and regular
> street riding, but I want to make sure I have brakes when I need them, and
> not that I'll be pressing the levers like crazy while my tires slow and
> then stop... or don't.
>
> René
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:
>
>> Really nice looking build, Rene!  I love the pewter on the hunqa!  Who
>> did the paint?  Are you OK with the shifters wayyy down there?  I was
>> trying to figure out the best shifting setup on Bosco's and I think
>> thumbies near the stem are the closest, but I do like having the full bars
>> available.  I may have to try the reverse levers.
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:36 PM, René Sterental wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> After spending all weekend in the delicious task of rebuilding my newly
>>> painted Hunqapillar with its low trail fork, I'm happy to report that I'm
>>> mostly done and share the photos that proved I worked hard and loved every
>>> minute of it.
>>>
>>> Pictures to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/
>>>
>>> Afterwards, I took the bike on its maiden ride to test everything around
>>> the paths in Stanford University and stopped for a beautiful sunset moment
>>> in the garden outside the Rodin museum.
>>>
>>> I did several updates to this build:
>>> - Went with a 175mm 26/40 Sugino crankset, but will likely replace with
>>> a 172.5mm 24/38 I just converted. I've had some hip issues and seem to
>>> handle the 172.5mm better, although the Betty has the 175 and I've been
>>> doing fine with it. Go figure. Maybe the repeated attempts to stay on the
>>> Low Carb/High Fat diet with progressively shorter relapse intervals is
>>> working... The 24 will definitely help me in the climbs, at least until I
>>> lose significant weight, and for the same reason, the 38 may be a bit more
>>> "friendly" on the flats, especially when riding loaded or on a headwind.
>>>
>>> - Went with the 55cm steel Bosco handlebar instead of the previous 58cm
>>> Bullmoose Bosco. While the Bullmoose is awesome and very stiff, after
>>> riding it for a while before the repaint, it seemed a bit too wide. Riding
>>> the much narrower GB Promenade handlebar on the Betty has made me realize I
>>> prefer narrower handlebars than what I used to ride. While the Promenade
>>> may be too narrow for the Hunqapillar, especially off-road, the 55cm Bosco
>>> seems like a perfect middle ground. I've also noticed than as I've started
>>> riding narrower handlebars, my shoulder and neck pain have also
>>> significantly improved. Even when riding the GB Randonneur bars on the
>>> Atlantis with their more forward position. Another improvement I chose is
>>> to use reverse brake levers in order to get the full smooth sections of the
>>> Bosco bar while improving the hand positions that still allow me access to
>>> the brakes. I currently have a set of Tektro 4.1 reverse levers, but will
>>> try a set of Paul's reverse brake levers as they provide more versatility.
>>> The Tektro reverse brake levers also seem to provide a very "flexy" braking
>>> experience, so I want to see if the Pauls work better.
>>>
>>> - After much thought, I decided to not mount the Pass & Stow rack that I
>>> had before and instead, mount the Nitto Mini + Tubus Nova 

Re: [RBW] Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

[Brian Hanson]

I am a fan of the green special brooks!  Those levers are extra nice, too.

Brian
Seattle, WA


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:24 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Finished!
>
> This morning I finished detailing the Hunqapillar.
> http://tinyurl.com/dyoaomp
>
> Changes made after riding it for a week:
> - Changed to a 13cm stem.
> - Changed brake levers to Paul's polished reverse brake levers. They work
> much better than the Tektros and don't have that squishy feeling.
> - Changed to a green Brooks B17 I had lying around, and used Brooks green
> leather tape.
>
> This bike has an amazing ride, especially with some weight on the front
> panniers.
>
> René
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:56 PM, René Sterental wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brian!
>>
>> I spent a long time deciding on the color scheme, particularly debating
>> between pewter and silver. Pewter ultimately won and I'm so glad I chose it.
>>
>> Rick Stefani at D&D did the paint job. He's local and Keven sent me
>> there. He paints a lot of the Rivendell frames.
>>
>> I do like the downtube shifters but after I fine tune the fit of the 55
>> Bosco on the 120mm Tallux stem, I'll see if there is space for the shifters
>> on the stem's quill. I have them like that on the Betty and love them. They
>> didn't fit with the Bullmoose Bosco, but they may fit on the regular.
>>
>> The reverse levers are great, but the Tektro 4.1 seem provide a braking
>> feel that is too "flexy". On the Betty, with the front Paul Racer and the
>> rear Silver, they cannot lock the wheels on a steep downhill. The braking
>> seems to be a bit better on the Hunqapillar with the Neo-Retro/Touring
>> brakes, but I ordered a set of Paul's reverse brake levers that can be
>> configured to work both with long and short pull brakes. I have a strong
>> feeling, from the time I tried their regular levers, that they'll be much
>> better than the Tektros. The Tektros work well on flat commutes and regular
>> street riding, but I want to make sure I have brakes when I need them, and
>> not that I'll be pressing the levers like crazy while my tires slow and
>> then stop... or don't.
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Brian Hanson wrote:
>>
>>> Really nice looking build, Rene!  I love the pewter on the hunqa!  Who
>>> did the paint?  Are you OK with the shifters wayyy down there?  I was
>>> trying to figure out the best shifting setup on Bosco's and I think
>>> thumbies near the stem are the closest, but I do like having the full bars
>>> available.  I may have to try the reverse levers.
>>>
>>> Brian Hanson
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:36 PM, René Sterental wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 After spending all weekend in the delicious task of rebuilding my newly
 painted Hunqapillar with its low trail fork, I'm happy to report that I'm
 mostly done and share the photos that proved I worked hard and loved every
 minute of it.

 Pictures to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/

 Afterwards, I took the bike on its maiden ride to test everything
 around the paths in Stanford University and stopped for a beautiful sunset
 moment in the garden outside the Rodin museum.

 I did several updates to this build:
 - Went with a 175mm 26/40 Sugino crankset, but will likely replace with
 a 172.5mm 24/38 I just converted. I've had some hip issues and seem to
 handle the 172.5mm better, although the Betty has the 175 and I've been
 doing fine with it. Go figure. Maybe the repeated attempts to stay on the
 Low Carb/High Fat diet with progressively shorter relapse intervals is
 working... The 24 will definitely help me in the climbs, at least until I
 lose significant weight, and for the same reason, the 38 may be a bit more
 "friendly" on the flats, especially when riding loaded or on a headwind.

 - Went with the 55cm steel Bosco handlebar instead of the previous 58cm
 Bullmoose Bosco. While the Bullmoose is awesome and very stiff, after
 riding it for a while before the repaint, it seemed a bit too wide. Riding
 the much narrower GB Promenade handlebar on the Betty has made me realize I
 prefer narrower handlebars than what I used to ride. While the Promenade
 may be too narrow for the Hunqapillar, especially off-road, the 55cm Bosco
 seems like a perfect middle ground. I've also noticed than as I've started
 riding narrower handlebars, my shoulder and neck pain have also
 significantly improved. Even when riding the GB Randonneur bars on the
 Atlantis with their more forward position. Another improvement I chose is
 to use reverse brake levers in order to get the full smooth sections of the
 Bosco bar while improving the hand positions that still allow me access to
 the brakes. I currently have a set of Tektro 4.1 reverse levers, but will
 try a set of Paul's reverse brake levers as they provide more versatility.
 The Tektro re

Re: [RBW] Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

[Nick Payne]

I have a Brooks B17 in the same green, but unfortunately, after you've 
been riding it for a while, the green starts to wear off and show the 
black underneath at the wear points where your sit bones go and where 
your legs rub each side. Same with a couple of grey Brooks that I have 
on other bikes - the black is starting to show through. The only Brooks 
saddles I've owned that retain their original colour with long use are 
in either honey, brown, or black. The other colours seem to be a finish 
applied on top of a black saddle.


Nick

On 31/03/13 17:33, Brian Hanson wrote:
I am a fan of the green special brooks!  Those levers are extra nice, 
too.


Brian
Seattle, WA


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:24 PM, René Sterental > wrote:


Finished!

This morning I finished detailing the Hunqapillar.
http://tinyurl.com/dyoaomp

Changes made after riding it for a week:
- Changed to a 13cm stem.
- Changed brake levers to Paul's polished reverse brake levers.
They work much better than the Tektros and don't have that squishy
feeling.
- Changed to a green Brooks B17 I had lying around, and used
Brooks green leather tape.

This bike has an amazing ride, especially with some weight on the
front panniers.



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RE: [RBW] Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

It's true that the dark green finish wears through eventually, but unlike the 
other Brooks colors, the green is so dark that it (to me at least) just looks 
like well-earned and attractive beausage; the difference between the black and 
the very dark green is not jarring..

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Payne
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

I have a Brooks B17 in the same green, but unfortunately, after you've been 
riding it for a while, the green starts to wear off and show the black 
underneath at the wear points where your sit bones go and where your legs rub 
each side. Same with a couple of grey Brooks that I have on other bikes - the 
black is starting to show through. The only Brooks saddles I've owned that 
retain their original colour with long use are in either honey, brown, or 
black. The other colours seem to be a finish applied on top of a black saddle.

Nick

On 31/03/13 17:33, Brian Hanson wrote:
I am a fan of the green special brooks!  Those levers are extra nice, too.

Brian
Seattle, WA

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:24 PM, René Sterental 
mailto:orthie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Finished!

This morning I finished detailing the Hunqapillar. http://tinyurl.com/dyoaomp

Changes made after riding it for a week:
- Changed to a 13cm stem.
- Changed brake levers to Paul's polished reverse brake levers. They work much 
better than the Tektros and don't have that squishy feeling.
- Changed to a green Brooks B17 I had lying around, and used Brooks green 
leather tape.

This bike has an amazing ride, especially with some weight on the front 
panniers.

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