Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Matthew J]

> That would be my Goodrich with Rohloff # 5841. 

Thanks for the follow up Ken.  Das Knob always seemed to me a real good 
solution to the Rohloff control quandary.  Curt should consider marketing 
them.

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Ken Yokanovich]

That would be my Goodrich with Rohloff # 5841.  I have had the hub for 
about 12 years, gosh knows how many trouble free miles. The hub itself has 
been through heck and back, several 24 hour solo mountain bike races 
(different bike, ) two unsuccessful attempts at Trans Iowa, many a winter 
rides, toured, generally been ridden anywhere and in about every condition. 
 The hub itself started its life as a non disk brake version, but I had it 
converted by by Thomas of Rohloff 10 years ago.  At that time, he replaced 
the seals on it as the EARLY hubs were prone to some seeping of the oil.

I had Curt build the bike modeled with similar geometry to my Rivendell 
custom (that he also built.)  The hub is great that all of the indexing and 
shifting is contained within the hub itself, nothing special needed by the 
shifter other than the ability to pull two opposing cables.  When it came 
time for the shifter on the bike, I pitched the idea that I just wanted a 
big-ol-knob, like an old stereo.  He had it made with a press-fit sealed 
cartridge bearing and it is mounted to a standard shift lever boss. 

Curt was great to work with and was gracious enough to let me take the bike 
with only primer for several months to make certain everything worked as 
desired.  My kids painted it for me.

In the years since, the bike has been pretty flawless.  I can't really tell 
the difference in drag/resistance between the Rohoff and any of my other 
bikes.  It is GREAT for touring, particularly on rollers where you just 
shift up or down and don't worry about when to shift the front derailleur 
vs back.  It really is like a 14 speed singlespeed.  I grabbed a few photos 
I had around from rides, etc...

https://flic.kr/s/aHsknRBZy8

Now, onto completing the Rivendell custom order form I just printed 
muwahhahaha.

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:17:57 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Ouch, over $300 just for the shifters.
>
> Imagine that is why Rohloff sticks with the grip shifters.  Probably quite 
> complicated piece of kit.
>
> Five years ago (former Riv customs builder) Curt Goodrich came up with a 
> Rohloff shifter that could be brazed on a down tube.  He called it Das 
> Knob.   Never heard anything 
> further about it.  Not sure if that means I and presumably whoever bought 
> the bike were the only people who thought it a cool idea or it did not work 
> well.
>

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Tim Gavin]

Personally, I'm tempted by a Rohloff for winter use.  I've had lots or
trouble with derailleur drivetrains with ice and snow.

My dream build:
Titanium frame
4-5" fat tires
Rohloff hub
Enclosed chain case, or Gates belt drive

My current fat bike eats chains regularly; that's expensive, especially
since I'm feeding it Wippermanns.

I don't think I'd equip a "normal" touring bike with a Rohloff; I've had
very few drivetrain problems except for during winter.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Curious: Since modern derailleur drivetrains are so amazingly reliable --
> I can speak with certainty of 9 speeds and with some confidence about 10
> speeds, and these both frictioned and indexed -- what is the value of
> Rohloff if you are not doing a world tour?
>
> I'm curious as an onlooker -- I have no desire to buy a Rohloff or, for
> that matter, an 11-speed derailleur drivetrain -- about the pluses and
> minuses in both columns.
>
> Now, IGHs -- that's another matter. I can easily see myself getting 2 or 3
> speed wheels to supplement the fixed wheels on my customs. But for more
> than that, after researching and pondering the options, I just can't see
> that IGHs trump derailleurs for the sort of riding most of us do, whether
> on- or off-road. My (Chauncey! What's happening!)
> God-willing-shortly-forthcoming "road bike for dirt" will have a 1X9 +
> granny ring.
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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Matthew J]

Peter White now sells Cinq shifters for Rohloff 
 made by Tout (a couple 
frames from the top).  Not sure if you can get without a Tout, but worth a 
try maybe.

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[iamkeith]

That's what finally prompted me to get one, Tim.  As I said, I'm a true 
believer and have been since the first speedhub was released, but could 
never convince myself to get one until they came out with the XL   Unlike 
most people, the thing that always kept me away was the grip shifter.  I 
still hate it, and in fact a snow bike-  which is used with thick gloves 
and/or sweaty wet hands - is the worst possible place for a grip shift.   
But, for this use, the other benefits finally outweighed that argument. 
 I'm using a Whipperman chain too, but have had good luck so far.  Maybe 
being a fixed length and not shifting helps with wear.  






That being said, the shifter isn't "so" bad for summer use on a flat bar. 
 You learn to live with it.   All the other normal Rohloff gripes don't 
bother me at all.   Yes, it distributes weight more to the rear than ideal, 
but you hardly notice when you're actually moving.   I can even still bunny 
hop well enough.  Yes, you do have to let up on the pedal stroke between 
some shifts but, in that sense it's sort of like with a... wait for it... 
derailleur.  Except that it's actually superior because  you can pause in 
the middle of a steep climb - even to the point of nearly doing a track 
stand, shift down multiple gears at once, and then simply start pedaling 
again but in a lower gear.. All of which takes microseconds.  A derailleur 
actually requires some amount of pedal stroke before the shift actually 
takes place.  And that's the best thing about it to me, and something I've 
never heard anyone else articulate:

You know how, when trigger shifters were first introduced, *everybody* 
would argue how much better they were than thumb shifters by saying "I 
shift so much more often now"?  As if there's some universal acceptance 
that this is somehow better?Well, I actually find myself shifting a lot 
LESS with the Rohloff, because I know I can always shift whenever I want, 
if I get in trouble.   I don't have to anticipate a climb and downshift 
before hand, and I can always "'try" to clean something in a higher gear.   
If I bog down, ANY lower gear is always right there, without needing a 
partial pedal stroke to gain it.  So much more relaxing, and so much more 
fun.  

That's why I keep daydreaming about modifying my Quickbeam.  Incidentally, 
this is the OEM 1 plate.   See that long tab that engages the 
extended-length dropout, vertically below the axle?  I still don't know why 
that couldn't be rotated horizontal and used to work with the extremely 
long dropout slot on the QB / SO.  It could even go forward of or behind 
the axle, based on chainstay length preference.  Unlike the torque arm 
method, this would allow you to route cables under the bottom bracket and 
along the chainstay, too.


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 7:15:14 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Personally, I'm tempted by a Rohloff for winter use.  I've had lots or 
> trouble with derailleur drivetrains with ice and snow.  
>
> My dream build:
> Titanium frame
> 4-5" fat tires
> Rohloff hub
> Enclosed chain case, or Gates belt drive
>

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Tim Gavin]

Nice build, Keith.

My fat bike doesn't wear out chains, it destroys them.  Mainly it's chain
suck, but it also broke a chain when I bent the 

Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Matthew J]

Ouch, over $300 just for the shifters.

Imagine that is why Rohloff sticks with the grip shifters.  Probably quite 
complicated piece of kit.

Five years ago (former Riv customs builder) Curt Goodrich came up with a 
Rohloff shifter that could be brazed on a down tube.  He called it Das Knob. 
  Never heard anything further 
about it.  Not sure if that means I and presumably whoever bought the bike 
were the only people who thought it a cool idea or it did not work well.

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[David Person]

Ouch, over $300 just for the shifters.

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 9:18:59 AM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Peter White now sells Cinq shifters for Rohloff 
>  made by Tout (a couple 
> frames from the top).  Not sure if you can get without a Tout, but worth a 
> try maybe.
>

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[RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Patrick Moore]

Curious: Since modern derailleur drivetrains are so amazingly reliable -- I
can speak with certainty of 9 speeds and with some confidence about 10
speeds, and these both frictioned and indexed -- what is the value of
Rohloff if you are not doing a world tour?

I'm curious as an onlooker -- I have no desire to buy a Rohloff or, for
that matter, an 11-speed derailleur drivetrain -- about the pluses and
minuses in both columns.

Now, IGHs -- that's another matter. I can easily see myself getting 2 or 3
speed wheels to supplement the fixed wheels on my customs. But for more
than that, after researching and pondering the options, I just can't see
that IGHs trump derailleurs for the sort of riding most of us do, whether
on- or off-road. My (Chauncey! What's happening!)
God-willing-shortly-forthcoming "road bike for dirt" will have a 1X9 +
granny ring.

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[RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Steve Cole]

I'm looking for a rider who is experienced with the Rohloff hub to respond 
to some questions I have.  I recently converted a Simpleone to a Rohloff 
and have been riding it for about a week, a couple of hundred miles.  The 
experience is different than I expected -- more challenging -- and I want 
to see whether my experience is typical or uncommon.  

I would those who might help me to respond with a private message.  I don't 
want to clutter the discussion group postings.

Thanks,

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

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