Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[brendonoid]

And ignore my last post I was looking at the wrong tabs on my browser.


On Saturday, 19 December 2020 at 23:15:00 UTC+8 brendonoid wrote:

> The current (2020) 57cm appaloosa is also 10mm longer in the toptube than 
> the old (2017-2019) 58cm. This caught me offguard because they specifically 
> stated that all measurements were the same when they are not. Bike insights 
> is listing 61.5 TT when it is currently 62.5

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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[brendonoid]

The current (2020) 57cm appaloosa is also 10mm longer in the toptube than 
the old (2017-2019) 58cm. This caught me offguard because they specifically 
stated that all measurements were the same when they are not. Bike insights 
is listing 61.5 TT when it is currently 62.5

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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Den John]

Ah, I was wonndering about that. Any idea how long those extensions
generally are? I'm wondering if I can get away without a riser stem.

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 03:13, Dave Johnston  wrote:

> I have found bikeinsights to be wrong on both Stack and Reach for
> Rivendell bikes. They don't take into account the head-tube extension built
> into Riv's lugs.
>
> -Dave J
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
>> White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
>> Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27
>> 
>>
>> Welcome to the list, Johnny!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Johnny,
>>>
>>> Here's a site for comparing frames:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from
>>> time to time on the iBOB group.
>>>
>>> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm
>>> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa.
>>>
>>> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a
>>> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry
>>> chart.
>>>
>>> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>>>
>>> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to
>>> know.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of
>>> these bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most
>>> distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU
>>> would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
>>> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>>>
>>> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a
>>> bike from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Johnny in Belgium
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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Den John]

No worries, I already spent a good few hours fiddling with the various
models and options on there :-)

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 02:53, Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
> White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
> Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)
>
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27
> 
>
> Welcome to the list, Johnny!
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:
>
> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
>
> Johnny
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams <
> matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Johnny,
>>
>> Here's a site for comparing frames:
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from
>> time to time on the iBOB group.
>>
>> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm
>> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa.
>>
>> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a
>> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry
>> chart.
>>
>> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>>
>> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to
>> know.
>>
>> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of
>> these bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most
>> distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU
>> would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
>> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>>
>> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike
>> from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Johnny in Belgium
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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[David Johnston]

I have also found on some of the older Rivendell models with 2°-3°
sloping top tubes Bike insights mixes up the  effective top tube and
calls it the actual top tube and then calculates a longer effective
top tube.

-Dave

On 12/18/20, Dave Johnston  wrote:
> I don't know if every model is wrong on Bike insights but when they skip
> the 20mm head-tube extension in the calculated values, the Stack would
> actually be 19mm higher and the reach 6mm Less.
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:13:12 PM UTC-5 Dave Johnston wrote:
>
>> I have found bikeinsights to be wrong on both Stack and Reach for
>> Rivendell bikes. They don't take into account the head-tube extension
>> built
>> into Riv's lugs.
>>
>> -Dave J
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
>>> White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
>>> Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Welcome to the list, Johnny!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams 
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Johnny,

 Here's a site for comparing frames:


 https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,






 On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:

 Hello,

 My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from
 time to time on the iBOB group.

 I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm
 particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa.

 Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a

 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry

 chart.

 An image of the measurements I need is attached.

 I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to

 know.

 If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of
 these bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most
 distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the
 EU
 would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
 and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.

 I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a
 bike from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)

 Thanks,
 Johnny in Belgium

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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Dave Johnston]

I don't know if every model is wrong on Bike insights but when they skip 
the 20mm head-tube extension in the calculated values, the Stack would 
actually be 19mm higher and the reach 6mm Less.

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:13:12 PM UTC-5 Dave Johnston wrote:

> I have found bikeinsights to be wrong on both Stack and Reach for 
> Rivendell bikes. They don't take into account the head-tube extension built 
> into Riv's lugs. 
>
> -Dave J
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
>> White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
>> Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27
>>  
>> 
>>
>> Welcome to the list, Johnny!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Johnny,
>>>
>>> Here's a site for comparing frames:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from 
>>> time to time on the iBOB group.
>>>
>>> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm 
>>> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa. 
>>>
>>> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a 
>>> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry 
>>> chart.
>>>
>>> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>>>
>>> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to 
>>> know.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of 
>>> these bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most 
>>> distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU 
>>> would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
>>> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>>>
>>> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a 
>>> bike from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Johnny in Belgium
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Dave Johnston]

I have found bikeinsights to be wrong on both Stack and Reach for Rivendell 
bikes. They don't take into account the head-tube extension built into 
Riv's lugs. 

-Dave J
On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
> White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
> Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)
>
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27
>  
> 
>
> Welcome to the list, Johnny!
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:
>
> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
>
> Johnny
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Johnny,
>>
>> Here's a site for comparing frames:
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from 
>> time to time on the iBOB group.
>>
>> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm 
>> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa. 
>>
>> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a 
>> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry 
>> chart.
>>
>> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>>
>> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to 
>> know.
>>
>> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of 
>> these bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most 
>> distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU 
>> would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
>> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>>
>> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike 
>> from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Johnny in Belgium
>>
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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Matthew Williams]

Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)

https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27

Welcome to the list, Johnny!



On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:

> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
> 
> Johnny
> 
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams 
>  wrote:
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> 
> Here's a site for comparing frames:
> 
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from time 
>> to time on the iBOB group.
>> 
>> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm 
>> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa. 
>> 
>> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a 
>> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry 
>> chart.
>> 
>> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>> 
>> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to know.
>> 
>> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of these 
>> bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most distinctive 
>> aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU would be to go 
>> custom. I do have a bakfiets,
>> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>> 
>> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike 
>> from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Johnny in Belgium
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Den John]

Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.

Johnny

On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Johnny,
>
> Here's a site for comparing frames:
>
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from time
> to time on the iBOB group.
>
> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm
> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa.
>
> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a
> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry
> chart.
>
> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>
> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to
> know.
>
> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of these
> bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most
> distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU
> would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>
> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike
> from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Johnny in Belgium
>
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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Matthew Williams]

Hi Johnny,

Here's a site for comparing frames:

https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,






On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from time to 
> time on the iBOB group.
> 
> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm 
> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa. 
> 
> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a 57cm 
> Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry chart.
> 
> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
> 
> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to know.
> 
> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of these 
> bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most distinctive 
> aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU would be to go 
> custom. I do have a bakfiets,
> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
> 
> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike 
> from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
> 
> Thanks,
> Johnny in Belgium
> 
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[RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Den John]

Hello,

My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from time 
to time on the iBOB group.

I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm 
particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa. 

Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a 
57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry 
chart.

An image of the measurements I need is attached.

I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to 
know.

If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of these 
bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most 
distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU 
would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.

I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike 
from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)

Thanks,
Johnny in Belgium

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