Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
Jim, I run Stan's tubeless, and love it. I also put some in a couple tubes to see how it worked, and so far no flats. I've read it doesn't do so well in _tubes_ as the friction between the tube and tire will rip off the latex scab that forms. YMMV, I have no data points on that. I have also read that the sweet mixture is 2/3 Stans and 1/3 automotive Slime. Slime's selling point is that it doesn't try out, although you need more of it than Stans (3oz vs 2oz IIRC). So, long/short: try some Stans in the tubes, it could help, but no guarantee. You can either get tubes with removable cores (Q-tubes or the most readily available) or make an incision in a tube and shoot some in then patch it up, or pop the head off a non-removable care, let the core drop, fill the tube, then go fishin' for the core and reassemble. On 9/12/13, jimD wrote: > Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. > I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the product > in tubes. > > Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm inclined > to try it > that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. > > -Jim > > In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat > heads. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
First, I buy the small, 2-oz bottles -- expensive at $3.99/ea. I use 1 oz in road tires, 2 oz in mtb tires. I don't want leftover drying up on me, and the small bottles make measuring and inserting easy. For valves with removable cores, simply cut the bottle's tip, remove the valve core, invert nozzle over stem, and squeeze in the desired amount. For presta valves without removable cores: remove tube from tire. Have your bottles' nozzles cut, and have a small pair of pliers and a rag nearby. Pinch tube immediately underneath valve. Use pliers to force off locknut. Let core drop into stem, catching it inside tube with your fingers. Insert sealant. Invert valve so that core falls back into stem. Wipe as needed. Invert right side up. Supporting core from underneath, force locknut back on. I've been on horror rides where I've run out of tubes; stopped at a bike shop and bought more; run out of those too. And one day on the Ken Rogers tricycle, with 2 rear wheels to flat ...! I've routinely bought patches by the box of 100. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:06 AM, jimD wrote: > Patrick, > I lived and rode in Albuquerque for ~10 years. It was riding there that > got me in the habit of carrying three spare tubes (at least) AND a patch > kit. > Could you reprise how you get the goop into your tubes? > Thanks, > JimD > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > > One more thing: I can't emphasize how liberating it is not to have to > worry about goatheads. Hitherto, the sole remedy for goatheads was some > horrible combination of Slime, 400 gram "thornproof" tubes, wooden belted > tires, and thick tire liners. I described my travails with the Parigi > Roubaix when first mounted and before Stan's -- 20 patches in a week. The > sole thorn proof system I' used (Big Apples were pretty good but not > "proof") involved the combination above and riding it felt -- literally -- > as if a gremlin were squeezing the brakes. > > The bosque roads, particularly those less used for recreation, are covered > with this year's massive crop of goathead plants, sometimes the vines > spreading across the path from side to side. I cheerfully rode through such > a patch yesterday and, though the thorns are still to mature, it was not by > any means something I'd have done pre-Stan's. > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > >> Stan's was "invented" for tubeless conversions but it works in tubes -- >> I've used it in my 30 mm Parigi Roubaix (~60 psi) and the F Freds (~25 >> psi). >> >> The sole downside of Stan's, as far as I can tell to date, is that it >> slowly dries up into little, golf-ball sized latex octopuses and you have >> to replace it. If used in tubes, this means putting up with the solids in >> your tubes or replacing the tubes every three to six months. With tubeless, >> of course, you can simply remove the tire and clean up the carcase. >> >> The one flat I've had on my two pairs of Stan's equipped tubes was in the >> higher pressure pair when a bad patch came undone. I expect Stan's, like >> other sealants, won't work as well on larger holes such as those from >> roofing nails, though I could be wrong. But, in my case, all flat dangers, >> for all practical purposes, are goatheads >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:49 AM, jimD wrote: >> >>> Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. >>> I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the >>> product in tubes. >>> >>> Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm >>> inclined to try it >>> that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. >>> >>> -Jim >>> >>> In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat >>> heads. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* >> Certified Resume Writer >> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >> patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ >> >> Albuquerque, NM >> > > > > -- > *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* > Certified Resume Writer > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > > Albuquerque, NM > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visi
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
Thanks -- now I can save money! On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:01 AM, David Yu Greenblatt < david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Patrick, it will stay liquid for years in the bottle. > > - David > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > >> >> David: you've probably been using Stan's longer than I have. How long >> does the stuff last in the bulk, economy bottle before it dries up and >> becomes useless? I've refrained from buying more than I can use at once >> after opening for fear of losing the remainder to evaporation. >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:44 AM, David Yu Greenblatt < >> david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Two tools that I recently started using which make it easy to add Stan's >>> sealant to tires with removable valve cores that are already mounted on the >>> rims (you have add fresh sealant every few months): >>> >>> Valve core tool: >>> http://www.parktool.com/product/valve-core-tool-vc-1 >>> I used to use needle-nose pliers and this tool is much better. >>> >>> Sealant Injector: >>> http://www.notubes.com/2oz-Tire-Sealant-Injector-P348.aspx >>> Screw it on the the valve stem after removing the core with the tool >>> above, fill up with your desired amount of sealant from an economy bottle, >>> and squirt in. >>> >>> >>> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
Patrick, it will stay liquid for years in the bottle. - David On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > > David: you've probably been using Stan's longer than I have. How long does > the stuff last in the bulk, economy bottle before it dries up and becomes > useless? I've refrained from buying more than I can use at once after > opening for fear of losing the remainder to evaporation. > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:44 AM, David Yu Greenblatt < > david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Two tools that I recently started using which make it easy to add Stan's >> sealant to tires with removable valve cores that are already mounted on the >> rims (you have add fresh sealant every few months): >> >> Valve core tool: >> http://www.parktool.com/product/valve-core-tool-vc-1 >> I used to use needle-nose pliers and this tool is much better. >> >> Sealant Injector: >> http://www.notubes.com/2oz-Tire-Sealant-Injector-P348.aspx >> Screw it on the the valve stem after removing the core with the tool >> above, fill up with your desired amount of sealant from an economy bottle, >> and squirt in. >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
David: you've probably been using Stan's longer than I have. How long does the stuff last in the bulk, economy bottle before it dries up and becomes useless? I've refrained from buying more than I can use at once after opening for fear of losing the remainder to evaporation. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:44 AM, David Yu Greenblatt < david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Two tools that I recently started using which make it easy to add Stan's > sealant to tires with removable valve cores that are already mounted on the > rims (you have add fresh sealant every few months): > > Valve core tool: > http://www.parktool.com/product/valve-core-tool-vc-1 > I used to use needle-nose pliers and this tool is much better. > > Sealant Injector: > http://www.notubes.com/2oz-Tire-Sealant-Injector-P348.aspx > Screw it on the the valve stem after removing the core with the tool > above, fill up with your desired amount of sealant from an economy bottle, > and squirt in. > > > -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
Tufo valve core tool - take two, they're small http://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/tufo-valve-tool?utm_campaign=products&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&adl=1&gclid=CIuXreacxrkCFY3m7AodkAYAVg On Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:44:05 AM UTC-5, David G wrote: > > > Two tools that I recently started using which make it easy to add Stan's > sealant to tires with removable valve cores that are already mounted on the > rims (you have add fresh sealant every few months): > > Valve core tool: > http://www.parktool.com/product/valve-core-tool-vc-1 > I used to use needle-nose pliers and this tool is much better. > > Sealant Injector: > http://www.notubes.com/2oz-Tire-Sealant-Injector-P348.aspx > Screw it on the the valve stem after removing the core with the tool > above, fill up with your desired amount of sealant from an economy bottle, > and squirt in. > > - David G in San Diego > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Patrick Moore > > wrote: > >> First, I buy the small, 2-oz bottles -- expensive at $3.99/ea. I use 1 oz >> in road tires, 2 oz in mtb tires. I don't want leftover drying up on me, >> and the small bottles make measuring and inserting easy. >> >> For valves with removable cores, simply cut the bottle's tip, remove the >> valve core, invert nozzle over stem, and squeeze in the desired amount. >> >> For presta valves without removable cores: remove tube from tire. Have >> your bottles' nozzles cut, and have a small pair of pliers and a rag >> nearby. Pinch tube immediately underneath valve. Use pliers to force off >> locknut. Let core drop into stem, catching it inside tube with your >> fingers. Insert sealant. Invert valve so that core falls back into stem. >> Wipe as needed. Invert right side up. Supporting core from underneath, >> force locknut back on. >> >> I've been on horror rides where I've run out of tubes; stopped at a bike >> shop and bought more; run out of those too. And one day on the Ken Rogers >> tricycle, with 2 rear wheels to flat ...! I've routinely bought patches by >> the box of 100. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:06 AM, jimD >> > wrote: >> >>> Patrick, >>> I lived and rode in Albuquerque for ~10 years. It was riding there that >>> got me in the habit of carrying three spare tubes (at least) AND a patch >>> kit. >>> Could you reprise how you get the goop into your tubes? >>> Thanks, >>> JimD >>> >>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Patrick Moore > >>> wrote: >>> >>> One more thing: I can't emphasize how liberating it is not to have to >>> worry about goatheads. Hitherto, the sole remedy for goatheads was some >>> horrible combination of Slime, 400 gram "thornproof" tubes, wooden belted >>> tires, and thick tire liners. I described my travails with the Parigi >>> Roubaix when first mounted and before Stan's -- 20 patches in a week. The >>> sole thorn proof system I' used (Big Apples were pretty good but not >>> "proof") involved the combination above and riding it felt -- literally -- >>> as if a gremlin were squeezing the brakes. >>> >>> The bosque roads, particularly those less used for recreation, are >>> covered with this year's massive crop of goathead plants, sometimes the >>> vines spreading across the path from side to side. I cheerfully rode >>> through such a patch yesterday and, though the thorns are still to mature, >>> it was not by any means something I'd have done pre-Stan's. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Patrick Moore >>> >>> > wrote: >>> Stan's was "invented" for tubeless conversions but it works in tubes -- I've used it in my 30 mm Parigi Roubaix (~60 psi) and the F Freds (~25 psi). The sole downside of Stan's, as far as I can tell to date, is that it slowly dries up into little, golf-ball sized latex octopuses and you have to replace it. If used in tubes, this means putting up with the solids in your tubes or replacing the tubes every three to six months. With tubeless, of course, you can simply remove the tire and clean up the carcase. The one flat I've had on my two pairs of Stan's equipped tubes was in the higher pressure pair when a bad patch came undone. I expect Stan's, like other sealants, won't work as well on larger holes such as those from roofing nails, though I could be wrong. But, in my case, all flat dangers, for all practical purposes, are goatheads On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:49 AM, jimD > wrote: > Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. > I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the > product in tubes. > > Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm > inclined to try it > that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. > > -Jim > > In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat > heads. > > -- You received this
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
Two tools that I recently started using which make it easy to add Stan's sealant to tires with removable valve cores that are already mounted on the rims (you have add fresh sealant every few months): Valve core tool: http://www.parktool.com/product/valve-core-tool-vc-1 I used to use needle-nose pliers and this tool is much better. Sealant Injector: http://www.notubes.com/2oz-Tire-Sealant-Injector-P348.aspx Screw it on the the valve stem after removing the core with the tool above, fill up with your desired amount of sealant from an economy bottle, and squirt in. - David G in San Diego On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > First, I buy the small, 2-oz bottles -- expensive at $3.99/ea. I use 1 oz > in road tires, 2 oz in mtb tires. I don't want leftover drying up on me, > and the small bottles make measuring and inserting easy. > > For valves with removable cores, simply cut the bottle's tip, remove the > valve core, invert nozzle over stem, and squeeze in the desired amount. > > For presta valves without removable cores: remove tube from tire. Have > your bottles' nozzles cut, and have a small pair of pliers and a rag > nearby. Pinch tube immediately underneath valve. Use pliers to force off > locknut. Let core drop into stem, catching it inside tube with your > fingers. Insert sealant. Invert valve so that core falls back into stem. > Wipe as needed. Invert right side up. Supporting core from underneath, > force locknut back on. > > I've been on horror rides where I've run out of tubes; stopped at a bike > shop and bought more; run out of those too. And one day on the Ken Rogers > tricycle, with 2 rear wheels to flat ...! I've routinely bought patches by > the box of 100. > > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:06 AM, jimD wrote: > >> Patrick, >> I lived and rode in Albuquerque for ~10 years. It was riding there that >> got me in the habit of carrying three spare tubes (at least) AND a patch >> kit. >> Could you reprise how you get the goop into your tubes? >> Thanks, >> JimD >> >> On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> One more thing: I can't emphasize how liberating it is not to have to >> worry about goatheads. Hitherto, the sole remedy for goatheads was some >> horrible combination of Slime, 400 gram "thornproof" tubes, wooden belted >> tires, and thick tire liners. I described my travails with the Parigi >> Roubaix when first mounted and before Stan's -- 20 patches in a week. The >> sole thorn proof system I' used (Big Apples were pretty good but not >> "proof") involved the combination above and riding it felt -- literally -- >> as if a gremlin were squeezing the brakes. >> >> The bosque roads, particularly those less used for recreation, are >> covered with this year's massive crop of goathead plants, sometimes the >> vines spreading across the path from side to side. I cheerfully rode >> through such a patch yesterday and, though the thorns are still to mature, >> it was not by any means something I'd have done pre-Stan's. >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> Stan's was "invented" for tubeless conversions but it works in tubes -- >>> I've used it in my 30 mm Parigi Roubaix (~60 psi) and the F Freds (~25 >>> psi). >>> >>> The sole downside of Stan's, as far as I can tell to date, is that it >>> slowly dries up into little, golf-ball sized latex octopuses and you have >>> to replace it. If used in tubes, this means putting up with the solids in >>> your tubes or replacing the tubes every three to six months. With tubeless, >>> of course, you can simply remove the tire and clean up the carcase. >>> >>> The one flat I've had on my two pairs of Stan's equipped tubes was in >>> the higher pressure pair when a bad patch came undone. I expect Stan's, >>> like other sealants, won't work as well on larger holes such as those from >>> roofing nails, though I could be wrong. But, in my case, all flat dangers, >>> for all practical purposes, are goatheads >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:49 AM, jimD wrote: >>> Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the product in tubes. Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm inclined to try it that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. -Jim In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat heads. >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
I got my first information from local bike shops when I was planning on using Ron's tubular wheels on the Ram. They were pretty consistent in telling me that "Stan's has fixed the goathead problem" and that it worked well for tubulars. Racers used to use "the system": cut the bead off an old racing tire and use it as a liner for a new racing tire. I can imagine that any better alternative to this was very eagerly taken up. FWIW, I don't plan, at least yet, to install Stan's in the Pro Race 3s on the gofast, nor in the Kojaks on the errand, as for some reason the number of flats in these tires is -- by my standards -- reasonable. If I have to patch every hundred miles or so (that's roughly once every five rides, for me) then I am content. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Ron Mc wrote: > Certainly Patrick's experience base here is wider than mine. > > -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
I started on Stans because of riding a bike with tubulars since May and, well, wanting to get home every time. I researched Tufo, Slime, et.al. and read the opinions on other boards. here is an appropriate article - http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/Things_that_Roll/Tires/Tire_Sealants_2765.html While Stan's is labeled as a preventative rather than a emergency sealant, most of the threads I chased by tubos all voted for Stan's as the all-around most versatile sealant. It did great for cactus thorns in my tubeless lawn tractor tire, and the one time I needed it on the bike it worked quite well for me. Certainly Patrick's experience base here is wider than mine. On Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:22:30 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > First, I buy the small, 2-oz bottles -- expensive at $3.99/ea. I use 1 oz > in road tires, 2 oz in mtb tires. I don't want leftover drying up on me, > and the small bottles make measuring and inserting easy. > > For valves with removable cores, simply cut the bottle's tip, remove the > valve core, invert nozzle over stem, and squeeze in the desired amount. > > For presta valves without removable cores: remove tube from tire. Have > your bottles' nozzles cut, and have a small pair of pliers and a rag > nearby. Pinch tube immediately underneath valve. Use pliers to force off > locknut. Let core drop into stem, catching it inside tube with your > fingers. Insert sealant. Invert valve so that core falls back into stem. > Wipe as needed. Invert right side up. Supporting core from underneath, > force locknut back on. > > I've been on horror rides where I've run out of tubes; stopped at a bike > shop and bought more; run out of those too. And one day on the Ken Rogers > tricycle, with 2 rear wheels to flat ...! I've routinely bought patches by > the box of 100. > > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:06 AM, jimD >wrote: > >> Patrick, >> I lived and rode in Albuquerque for ~10 years. It was riding there that >> got me in the habit of carrying three spare tubes (at least) AND a patch >> kit. >> Could you reprise how you get the goop into your tubes? >> Thanks, >> JimD >> >> On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Patrick Moore > >> wrote: >> >> One more thing: I can't emphasize how liberating it is not to have to >> worry about goatheads. Hitherto, the sole remedy for goatheads was some >> horrible combination of Slime, 400 gram "thornproof" tubes, wooden belted >> tires, and thick tire liners. I described my travails with the Parigi >> Roubaix when first mounted and before Stan's -- 20 patches in a week. The >> sole thorn proof system I' used (Big Apples were pretty good but not >> "proof") involved the combination above and riding it felt -- literally -- >> as if a gremlin were squeezing the brakes. >> >> The bosque roads, particularly those less used for recreation, are >> covered with this year's massive crop of goathead plants, sometimes the >> vines spreading across the path from side to side. I cheerfully rode >> through such a patch yesterday and, though the thorns are still to mature, >> it was not by any means something I'd have done pre-Stan's. >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Patrick Moore >> >> > wrote: >> >>> Stan's was "invented" for tubeless conversions but it works in tubes -- >>> I've used it in my 30 mm Parigi Roubaix (~60 psi) and the F Freds (~25 >>> psi). >>> >>> The sole downside of Stan's, as far as I can tell to date, is that it >>> slowly dries up into little, golf-ball sized latex octopuses and you have >>> to replace it. If used in tubes, this means putting up with the solids in >>> your tubes or replacing the tubes every three to six months. With tubeless, >>> of course, you can simply remove the tire and clean up the carcase. >>> >>> The one flat I've had on my two pairs of Stan's equipped tubes was in >>> the higher pressure pair when a bad patch came undone. I expect Stan's, >>> like other sealants, won't work as well on larger holes such as those from >>> roofing nails, though I could be wrong. But, in my case, all flat dangers, >>> for all practical purposes, are goatheads >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:49 AM, jimD >>> > wrote: >>> Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the product in tubes. Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm inclined to try it that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. -Jim In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat heads. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com . >>
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
Patrick, I lived and rode in Albuquerque for ~10 years. It was riding there that got me in the habit of carrying three spare tubes (at least) AND a patch kit. Could you reprise how you get the goop into your tubes? Thanks, JimD On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > One more thing: I can't emphasize how liberating it is not to have to worry > about goatheads. Hitherto, the sole remedy for goatheads was some horrible > combination of Slime, 400 gram "thornproof" tubes, wooden belted tires, and > thick tire liners. I described my travails with the Parigi Roubaix when first > mounted and before Stan's -- 20 patches in a week. The sole thorn proof > system I' used (Big Apples were pretty good but not "proof") involved the > combination above and riding it felt -- literally -- as if a gremlin were > squeezing the brakes. > > The bosque roads, particularly those less used for recreation, are covered > with this year's massive crop of goathead plants, sometimes the vines > spreading across the path from side to side. I cheerfully rode through such a > patch yesterday and, though the thorns are still to mature, it was not by any > means something I'd have done pre-Stan's. > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > Stan's was "invented" for tubeless conversions but it works in tubes -- I've > used it in my 30 mm Parigi Roubaix (~60 psi) and the F Freds (~25 psi). > > The sole downside of Stan's, as far as I can tell to date, is that it slowly > dries up into little, golf-ball sized latex octopuses and you have to replace > it. If used in tubes, this means putting up with the solids in your tubes or > replacing the tubes every three to six months. With tubeless, of course, you > can simply remove the tire and clean up the carcase. > > The one flat I've had on my two pairs of Stan's equipped tubes was in the > higher pressure pair when a bad patch came undone. I expect Stan's, like > other sealants, won't work as well on larger holes such as those from roofing > nails, though I could be wrong. But, in my case, all flat dangers, for all > practical purposes, are goatheads > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:49 AM, jimD wrote: > Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. > I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the product in > tubes. > > Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm inclined > to try it > that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. > > -Jim > > In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat heads. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! > Certified Resume Writer > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > > Albuquerque, NM > > > > -- > RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! > Certified Resume Writer > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > > Albuquerque, NM > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
One more thing: I can't emphasize how liberating it is not to have to worry about goatheads. Hitherto, the sole remedy for goatheads was some horrible combination of Slime, 400 gram "thornproof" tubes, wooden belted tires, and thick tire liners. I described my travails with the Parigi Roubaix when first mounted and before Stan's -- 20 patches in a week. The sole thorn proof system I' used (Big Apples were pretty good but not "proof") involved the combination above and riding it felt -- literally -- as if a gremlin were squeezing the brakes. The bosque roads, particularly those less used for recreation, are covered with this year's massive crop of goathead plants, sometimes the vines spreading across the path from side to side. I cheerfully rode through such a patch yesterday and, though the thorns are still to mature, it was not by any means something I'd have done pre-Stan's. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > Stan's was "invented" for tubeless conversions but it works in tubes -- > I've used it in my 30 mm Parigi Roubaix (~60 psi) and the F Freds (~25 > psi). > > The sole downside of Stan's, as far as I can tell to date, is that it > slowly dries up into little, golf-ball sized latex octopuses and you have > to replace it. If used in tubes, this means putting up with the solids in > your tubes or replacing the tubes every three to six months. With tubeless, > of course, you can simply remove the tire and clean up the carcase. > > The one flat I've had on my two pairs of Stan's equipped tubes was in the > higher pressure pair when a bad patch came undone. I expect Stan's, like > other sealants, won't work as well on larger holes such as those from > roofing nails, though I could be wrong. But, in my case, all flat dangers, > for all practical purposes, are goatheads > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:49 AM, jimD wrote: > >> Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. >> I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the >> product in tubes. >> >> Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm >> inclined to try it >> that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. >> >> -Jim >> >> In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat >> heads. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* > Certified Resume Writer > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > > Albuquerque, NM > -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
Stan's was "invented" for tubeless conversions but it works in tubes -- I've used it in my 30 mm Parigi Roubaix (~60 psi) and the F Freds (~25 psi). The sole downside of Stan's, as far as I can tell to date, is that it slowly dries up into little, golf-ball sized latex octopuses and you have to replace it. If used in tubes, this means putting up with the solids in your tubes or replacing the tubes every three to six months. With tubeless, of course, you can simply remove the tire and clean up the carcase. The one flat I've had on my two pairs of Stan's equipped tubes was in the higher pressure pair when a bad patch came undone. I expect Stan's, like other sealants, won't work as well on larger holes such as those from roofing nails, though I could be wrong. But, in my case, all flat dangers, for all practical purposes, are goatheads On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:49 AM, jimD wrote: > Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. > I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the product > in tubes. > > Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm > inclined to try it > that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. > > -Jim > > In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat > heads. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the product in tubes. Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm inclined to try it that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. -Jim In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat heads. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
