Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Brian Turner]

I see three 64oz bottles and what appears to be a 36 or 40oz bottle. So, if 
they were full of liquid, and accounting for the weight of the bottles 
themselves, you're looking at approx. 20 lbs. just in that area of the bike 
alone. I'm no engineer, but that seems like a lot of excess weight to me - 
for a bike that has specific stated weight limitations. It also looks like 
he's carrying 1.5 - 2x that amount elsewhere on his bike. Is it an 
excessive amount of stuff? Who's to say. Whenever I'm riding, I'm typically 
bikepacking. The last 5-day trip I did, my entire gear weight (including 
bags + water) was less than 25 lbs.

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 5:59:28 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
> weight 150 pounds myself?
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
> if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
> it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
> take it on some real trails!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
>> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made 
>> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
>> actually I'd be fine.
>>
>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
>> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Eric Daume]

Probably too late now, but it seems like this is something that could be a
legit warranty claim. I can't see a use mode breaking the down tube around
the middle like that, and it's suspicious it happened right around the
water bottle boss.

It's great Tim is going with the flow. I'd be frustrated if this was my $2k
frame.

Eric


On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 10:23 PM Tim Baldwin  wrote:

> That's my frame that was repaired. I had noticed a little extra flex
> riding into camp the night before and inspected the bike in the morning. It
> cracked around the water bottle boss. The tube did not crack in half or
> anything. I was able to ride the bike to the auto repair shop 5 or so miles
> away. I think someone else has photos of the crack. I'll post if I find
> some. I was more concerned with getting my frame fixed so I could ride the
> Big M trails. I almost made it to the trails on a trip four years ago and
> was taken out by pink eye. I did not want to miss out again. The shop may
> have gone a little overboard on the repair but it got me on the trails and
> back home. I covered it up with some sparkly nail polish to pretty it up
> and keep rust away.
>
> As to the cause of the crack, hard to say. I weigh 150 pounds. I do carry
> a lot of water but the rest of my setup is pretty light. I doubt it's over
> 50lbs with water. I've had the frame a year and some change but it's been
> on a month trip on the west coast, two week trip on the east coast, local
> campouts, grocery duty and daily commuting. It's definitely been put to the
> test. I plan to keep riding it until something else happens...
>
> Nothing lasts forever, enjoy the ride!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:29:18 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It should be pointed out that no one knows whether the break had anything
>> at all to do with loaded weight. It could have been run over by a car for
>> all we know. (Unless someone read through that thread and determined what
>> happened)
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed
>>> successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect
>>> having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through
>>> its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's
>>> like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will
>>> put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't
>>> say anything, and some people still do.
>>>
>>> I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was
>>> introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it
>>> down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it
>>> was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But
>>> this is all conjecture on my part.
>>>
>>> Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still
>>> think it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always
 marketed their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to
 wispy aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of
 us would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike
 unlike what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their
 products, load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an
 overnight campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I
 can only weight 150 pounds myself?

 Am I missing something?

 --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy

 On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:

 I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I
 just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d
 imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be
 crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear.

 I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I
 wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on
 it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a
 chance to take it on some real trails!

 On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on
> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it 
> made
> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think,
> actually I'd be fine.
>
> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that
> agai

Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Tim,
Thanks for the details! That definitely looks like a trip that was not to 
be missed. IMO the full story makes the frame failure even more 
interesting. It sounds like it did did it's job admirably for a lot of 
miles. Cheers.

Paul in AR

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 9:23:46 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> That's my frame that was repaired. I had noticed a little extra flex 
> riding into camp the night before and inspected the bike in the morning. It 
> cracked around the water bottle boss. The tube did not crack in half or 
> anything. I was able to ride the bike to the auto repair shop 5 or so miles 
> away. I think someone else has photos of the crack. I'll post if I find 
> some. I was more concerned with getting my frame fixed so I could ride the 
> Big M trails. I almost made it to the trails on a trip four years ago and 
> was taken out by pink eye. I did not want to miss out again. The shop may 
> have gone a little overboard on the repair but it got me on the trails and 
> back home. I covered it up with some sparkly nail polish to pretty it up 
> and keep rust away.
>
> As to the cause of the crack, hard to say. I weigh 150 pounds. I do carry 
> a lot of water but the rest of my setup is pretty light. I doubt it's over 
> 50lbs with water. I've had the frame a year and some change but it's been 
> on a month trip on the west coast, two week trip on the east coast, local 
> campouts, grocery duty and daily commuting. It's definitely been put to the 
> test. I plan to keep riding it until something else happens...
>
> Nothing lasts forever, enjoy the ride!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:29:18 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It should be pointed out that no one knows whether the break had anything 
>> at all to do with loaded weight. It could have been run over by a car for 
>> all we know. (Unless someone read through that thread and determined what 
>> happened)
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
>>> successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
>>> having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
>>> its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
>>> like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
>>> put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
>>> say anything, and some people still do.
>>>
>>> I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
>>> introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
>>> down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
>>> was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
>>> this is all conjecture on my part.
>>>
>>> Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still 
>>> think it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always 
 marketed their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to 
 wispy aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most 
 of 
 us would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike 
 unlike what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their 
 products, load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an 
 overnight campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I 
 can only weight 150 pounds myself?

 Am I missing something?

 --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:

 I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
 just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
 imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
 crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 

 I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
 wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
 it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
 chance to take it on some real trails!

 On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it 
> made 
> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
> actually I'd be fine.
>
> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
> again. Surprise surpr

Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Tim Baldwin]

That's my frame that was repaired. I had noticed a little extra flex riding 
into camp the night before and inspected the bike in the morning. It 
cracked around the water bottle boss. The tube did not crack in half or 
anything. I was able to ride the bike to the auto repair shop 5 or so miles 
away. I think someone else has photos of the crack. I'll post if I find 
some. I was more concerned with getting my frame fixed so I could ride the 
Big M trails. I almost made it to the trails on a trip four years ago and 
was taken out by pink eye. I did not want to miss out again. The shop may 
have gone a little overboard on the repair but it got me on the trails and 
back home. I covered it up with some sparkly nail polish to pretty it up 
and keep rust away.

As to the cause of the crack, hard to say. I weigh 150 pounds. I do carry a 
lot of water but the rest of my setup is pretty light. I doubt it's over 
50lbs with water. I've had the frame a year and some change but it's been 
on a month trip on the west coast, two week trip on the east coast, local 
campouts, grocery duty and daily commuting. It's definitely been put to the 
test. I plan to keep riding it until something else happens...

Nothing lasts forever, enjoy the ride!

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:29:18 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It should be pointed out that no one knows whether the break had anything 
> at all to do with loaded weight. It could have been run over by a car for 
> all we know. (Unless someone read through that thread and determined what 
> happened)
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
>> successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
>> having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
>> its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
>> like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
>> put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
>> say anything, and some people still do.
>>
>> I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
>> introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
>> down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
>> was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
>> this is all conjecture on my part.
>>
>> Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still 
>> think it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
>>> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
>>> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
>>> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
>>> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
>>> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
>>> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
>>> weight 150 pounds myself?
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
>>> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
>>> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
>>> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
>>> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>>>
>>> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
>>> wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
>>> it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
>>> chance to take it on some real trails!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
 the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it 
 made 
 me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
 actually I'd be fine.

 I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
 again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.


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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Johnny Alien]

It should be pointed out that no one knows whether the break had anything 
at all to do with loaded weight. It could have been run over by a car for 
all we know. (Unless someone read through that thread and determined what 
happened)

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:

> The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
> successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
> having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
> its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
> like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
> put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
> say anything, and some people still do.
>
> I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
> introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
> down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
> was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
> this is all conjecture on my part.
>
> Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still think 
> it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...
>
> Paul
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
>> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
>> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
>> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
>> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
>> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
>> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
>> weight 150 pounds myself?
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
>> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
>> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
>> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>>
>> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
>> if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
>> it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
>> take it on some real trails!
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
>>> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made 
>>> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
>>> actually I'd be fine.
>>>
>>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
>>> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
say anything, and some people still do.

I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
this is all conjecture on my part.

Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still think 
it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...

Paul

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
> weight 150 pounds myself?
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
> if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
> it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
> take it on some real trails!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
>> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made 
>> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
>> actually I'd be fine.
>>
>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
>> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Gill]

Yeah, I second what Joe said. The only thing I’ve managed to break on my 
Clem is a nipple and it took a concerted effort of dumbness to do that. 
That bike is bulletproof. 

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:59:49 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've owned a Susie and several Clem Ls, the Clem is notably stouter. Ain't 
> nobody breaking that frame. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that Clem has been built heavily to take a lot of 
>> abuse. Have fun, and let us know how it rides with a touring load!
>> -W
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:56:31 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have been thinking about this a lot lately in preparation for the trip 
>>> I am currently on with my Clem. I have about 30lbs. of gear including the 
>>> racks & 3 water bottles. Pretty evenly distributed f/r but perhaps biased 
>>> towards the front. Bike handles good. Hope it’s ok.
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Wesley  wrote:
>>>
>>> All else being equal (especially tubing size - which, maybe it's not 
>>> the same across sizes?), the larger size will be less strong than the 
>>> smaller sizes, while generally having a heavier rider. I am very curious 
>>> what the rider did to break his bike and I am also very happy to read that 
>>> he has apparently shrugged it off and seems to derive some satisfaction 
>>> from the repair.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>>
 Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a 
 heavier rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going 
 to be flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For 
 instance I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put 
 much on a Susie and keep within the limits.
 -W

 On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always 
> marketed their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to 
> wispy aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most 
> of 
> us would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike 
> unlike what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their 
> products, load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an 
> overnight campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I 
> can only weight 150 pounds myself?
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, 
> I just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So 
> I’d imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d 
> be 
> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
> wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
> it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
> chance to take it on some real trails!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump 
>> on the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and 
>> it 
>> made me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me 
>> think, actually I'd be fine.
>>
>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do 
>> that again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Joe Bernard]

I've owned a Susie and several Clem Ls, the Clem is notably stouter. Ain't 
nobody breaking that frame. 

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> My understanding is that Clem has been built heavily to take a lot of 
> abuse. Have fun, and let us know how it rides with a touring load!
> -W
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:56:31 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have been thinking about this a lot lately in preparation for the trip 
>> I am currently on with my Clem. I have about 30lbs. of gear including the 
>> racks & 3 water bottles. Pretty evenly distributed f/r but perhaps biased 
>> towards the front. Bike handles good. Hope it’s ok.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Wesley  wrote:
>>
>> All else being equal (especially tubing size - which, maybe it's not the 
>> same across sizes?), the larger size will be less strong than the smaller 
>> sizes, while generally having a heavier rider. I am very curious what the 
>> rider did to break his bike and I am also very happy to read that he has 
>> apparently shrugged it off and seems to derive some satisfaction from the 
>> repair.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a 
>>> heavier rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going 
>>> to be flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For 
>>> instance I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put 
>>> much on a Susie and keep within the limits.
>>> -W
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always 
 marketed their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to 
 wispy aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most 
 of 
 us would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike 
 unlike what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their 
 products, load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an 
 overnight campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I 
 can only weight 150 pounds myself?

 Am I missing something?

 --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:

 I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
 just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
 imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
 crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 

 I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
 wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
 it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
 chance to take it on some real trails!

 On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it 
> made 
> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
> actually I'd be fine.
>
> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Wesley]

My understanding is that Clem has been built heavily to take a lot of 
abuse. Have fun, and let us know how it rides with a touring load!
-W
On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:56:31 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have been thinking about this a lot lately in preparation for the trip I 
> am currently on with my Clem. I have about 30lbs. of gear including the 
> racks & 3 water bottles. Pretty evenly distributed f/r but perhaps biased 
> towards the front. Bike handles good. Hope it’s ok.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 5, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Wesley  wrote:
>
> All else being equal (especially tubing size - which, maybe it's not the 
> same across sizes?), the larger size will be less strong than the smaller 
> sizes, while generally having a heavier rider. I am very curious what the 
> rider did to break his bike and I am also very happy to read that he has 
> apparently shrugged it off and seems to derive some satisfaction from the 
> repair.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a 
>> heavier rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going 
>> to be flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For 
>> instance I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put 
>> much on a Susie and keep within the limits.
>> -W
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
>>> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
>>> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
>>> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
>>> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
>>> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
>>> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
>>> weight 150 pounds myself?
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
>>> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
>>> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
>>> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
>>> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>>>
>>> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
>>> wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
>>> it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
>>> chance to take it on some real trails!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
 the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it 
 made 
 me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
 actually I'd be fine.

 I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
 again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.


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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Wesley]

All else being equal (especially tubing size - which, maybe it's not the 
same across sizes?), the larger size will be less strong than the smaller 
sizes, while generally having a heavier rider. I am very curious what the 
rider did to break his bike and I am also very happy to read that he has 
apparently shrugged it off and seems to derive some satisfaction from the 
repair.

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a heavier 
> rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going to be 
> flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For instance 
> I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put much on a 
> Susie and keep within the limits.
> -W
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
>> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
>> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
>> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
>> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
>> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
>> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
>> weight 150 pounds myself?
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
>> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
>> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
>> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>>
>> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
>> if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
>> it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
>> take it on some real trails!
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
>>> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made 
>>> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
>>> actually I'd be fine.
>>>
>>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
>>> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Wesley]

Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a heavier 
rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going to be 
flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For instance 
I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put much on a 
Susie and keep within the limits.
-W

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
> weight 150 pounds myself?
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
> if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
> it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
> take it on some real trails!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
>> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made 
>> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
>> actually I'd be fine.
>>
>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
>> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed their 
bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy aluminum and 
carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us would exceed seems 
strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike what I would expect 
from a company that urges us to take their products, load a bunch of stuff on 
them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight campout. After all, if I put 
10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only weight 150 pounds myself?

Am I missing something?

--Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
> 
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I just 
> don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d imagine 
> there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be crazy loaded 
> if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
> 
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder if 
> the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and it has 
> been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to take it 
> on some real trails!
> 
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on the 
> first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made me 
> nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
> actually I'd be fine.
> 
> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that again. 
> Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
> 
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[RBW] Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

This trip gallery was posted to the bikepacking forum on Reddit: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/bikepacking/comments/vpan76/plenty_of_good_times_a_broken_frame_rowdy/

I don't know the riders or anything, but the gallery shows what I think are 
3 Susie/Gus bikes and one other bike I don't recognize. There's an orange 
Susie hauling about a gallon of water, a full front basket, and a massive 
saddle bag. It's frame cracked.

I'm usually one to scoff at load limits, but I guess at some point, they're 
to be taken seriously. I'm glad these guys were able to get the frame fixed 
and finish their trip. It looks like a really good time!

But still, I thought y'all would be interested to see what it takes to 
break a Susie. As a chronic over packer and heavy person, I'm even more 
glad I picked the Gus!

Paul in AR

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